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Book Review: Suicide of a Superpower
Youth for Western Civilization ^ | October 31, 2011 | William L. Houston

Posted on 10/31/2011 9:36:59 PM PDT by WilliamHouston

Pat Buchanan's new book Suicide of a Superpower: Will America Survive to 2025 is the bluntest and most cogent statement of the truth about the present course of Western civilization that has been seen in American bookstores in many years.

In this book, Pat takes the gloves off and hits the American Left with the Hard Right. He knocks the liberal establishment out of the ring. Everything that real conservatives have privately known to be true for generations is finally aired in this brave and long overdue new book.

Christianity is the foundation of Western civilization. As people of European ancestry abandoned their traditional faith, Western culture began to die. As Western culture began to die, Western civilization began to die. Finally, the people of the West are literally dying out and the Third World is flooding into the West to take our place in our own homelands.

The American Left has become a utopian death cult in the grips of a suicidal ideology like the Shakers. The Baby Boomer elite that was captured by the counterculture in the 1960s has set America on a course to national oblivion: radical multiculturalism, open borders, the welfare state, affirmative action, the obsession with diversity, the embrace of the sick and degenerate "free love movement," the embrace of abortion and family planning, the embrace of an adversary secular culture that has flatly declared war on Christianity.

As a historian, Pat Buchanan is here to remind us of the awful truth that this sort of progressive worldview and the lifestyle that accompanies it has consequences:

First, America is disintegrating into a balkanized landscape of racial, ethnic, cultural, and religious enclaves - a secession of the heart, as Buchanan describes it - that disagree with each other on the most profound and fundamental questions that unite a people.

Is this not true? Surely, the Left must admit there is some truth to this after the debt ceiling crisis and the failure of Barack Hussein Obama to usher in the "post-racial" and "post-partisan" America that was promised in this 2008 presidential campaign.

Does it seem like America is unraveling at the seams? Does it seem like the "center" has collapsed? Does it seem like the federal government is increasingly unable to perform the most basic tasks of a functioning government? Does it seem like we talk past each other on television?

That's what happens when there is no longer any moral or cultural common ground to appeal to anymore in Washington. The Left set out to dismantle America's traditional Christian culture - it was racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, nativist, reactionary, bigoted, repressive, etc. - and succeeded in shredding our national fabric which underpins our state.

Second, the attack on the European-Christian core of the American nation by the revolutionary cadres of the Baby Boomer elite has been successful. Christianity is no longer the dominant culture in America. It has been replaced by a secular hodgepodge of various radical utopian leftwing counterculture causes. The adversary culture has become the dominant culture.

From the 1950s to the 1970s, the "Civil Rights Movement" triumphed in America. The "Antiwar Movement" triumphed in America with the assistance of the Mainstream Media. The "counterculture" of the hippies and beatniks triumphed in America and became the new mainstream - the free love movement, radical environmentalism, gay liberation, second wave feminism, the cult of self-centered, liberated individual that rebels against any form of restraint.

What's the result of this? What does the awe inspiring Baby Boomer culture of social liberalism look like when it has been tried out in practice?

A quick survey of the wreckage of the European-Christian core of America will find a demoralizing culture of chronic drug addiction and nihilism, millions of aborted babies, dysfunctional children living in shattered households, soaring household debt, soaring income inequality, sexually transmitted diseases, infidelity, the "hook up" culture among adolescents, teen pregnancy, the "man-cession," unprecedented suicide rates, obese slobs covered in tattoos and piercings, "boomerangs," and now Millennials are being labeled the "Lost Generation."

If European-Christian America is a jet plane, then we have stalled somewhere above the clouds. Now comes the terrifying descent, the inevitable nosedive, and the awful crash into reality.

The Left, which has always hated European-Christian America, has succeeded in destroying European-Christian America for the Gen X'ers, the Millennials, and their children.

Third, the utopian leftists of the 1960s made sure to throw open America's borders to all comers. These hippies invited the whole Third World into the United States to feast upon the fat of the land. They were also encouraged not to assimilate to the hideous and racist culture of the richest and most scientifically and technologically advanced society that had ever existed in all of world history.

By 2042, freedom loving European-Christian Americans will become a minority in the United States - the European-Christian core of the American nation, which was the wealth producing dynamo that rocketed America to the top of the international pecking order, is swiftly collapsing like a black hole.

Every year the burden of taxation, affirmative action, diversity, multiculturalism, the welfare state, and socialist wealth redistribution schemes to fund these wild utopian projects becomes more unbearable for the 53 percent that is the Atlas that carries around the 47 percent on its back.

If something can't continue, it will stop.

As things stand today, it is the aging and shrinking European-Christian core of America (along with intelligent, hardworking, and entrepreneuerial Asian-Americans) who are propping up the declining United States. Foreigners know this despised, maligned constituency is the foundation of America.

Black America is culturally and economically a basket case. Hispanic America is worse off in some ways, better in others. White America has gone completely off the rails under the influence of the counterculture. Even Asian America has been negatively affected by the sickness of the dominant culture.

The Left is ideologically committed to pushing the limits of diversity, democracy, and radical egalitarianism. In Suicide of a Superpower, Pat Buchanan unflinchingly takes on all three liberal sacred cows from a traditional conservative perspective.

Historians will look back in stupefacation at twentieth- and twenty-first century Americans who believed the magnificent republic they inherited would be enriched by bringing in scores of millions from the failed states of the Third World.

Far from being a strength, diversity is our greatest weakness. Far from being the American ideal, the Founders took a dim view of democracy. The Constitution of 1789 was designed to shackle and restrain democracy within a republican political order. The Declaration of Independence acknowledges equality only in the sense that all men have natural right to liberty.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are the foundational documents of the republic and the organic documents of American union. And the word "equality" does not appear in either. Nor does the word "democracy."

The Founding Fathers rejected social equality. They rejected economic equality. They also rejected the Left's insane dogma of human equality. None of these forms of equality are reconcilable with liberty.

In 1971, the Atlantic Montly ran a cover article by Harvard's Richard Herrnstein. His thesis was that even if we are able to equalize the home and school environment of all children, natural academic ability will enable some children to outperform others. No matter how much money is invested in reducing class size and enhancing teacher training, an "hereditary meritocracy" will arise in a public school system where expenditures are equal ...

America plunged forward. U.S. and state governments and local school districts began the most massive investment in education in all of history. Expenditures per pupil doubled and tripled. Head Start, a preschool program for low-income children established in 1965, was lavishly funded. Perhaps $200 billion was poured into Title I of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which provided additional funds to schools based on their population of low-income students.

What were the results? Writes Murray, "no evaluation from Title I from the 1970s onward has found credible evidence of a significant positive impact on student achievement ... A 2001 study by the Department of Education revealed taht the gap widened rather than diminished.

There is no proof that all people are literally equal at the cultural or hereditary level - it is an absurd idea, a doctrine easily refuted by history and experience. Similarly, there is no proof that human societies can conform to the Left's ideals of social equality and economic equality and survive in the long run.

In order for social and economic equality to exist and for "diversity" to be celebrated as our greatest strength, you need a massive state apparatus to constantly redistribute wealth and repress freedom of association - you have to strangle liberty to force society to conform to this type of "equality," as it is a rebellion against natural law and cannot be sustained without the state application of force.

European nations that are being forced to conform to this cruel and inhumane leftist experiment are dying. European-Christian Americans are dying out at a slower pace. The Left looks upon the death of European Christendom as a "progressive" development and a cause for celebration. It wants First World nations without Europeans and without Christianity.

The pursuit of this utopian fantasy will usher in a dystopian return to the Dark Ages: Western civilization will collapse, the American Republic will collapse, the global economy will collapse, the world will descend into chaos and warfare, as the shibboleths of the Left become as antiquated as Roman aqueducts in the future which is about to befall us.

America is entering a time of troubles. The clashes of culture and creed are intensifying and both parties are perceived to have failed the nation. Republicans were repudiated in 2006 and 2008, Democrats in 2010. And the crises that afflict us - culture wars, race division, record deficits, unpayable debt, waves of immigration, legal and illegal, of peoples never before assimilated, gridlock in the capital, and possible defeat in war - may prove too much for our democracy to cope with. They surely will, if we not act now.

At this point, Pat Buchanan is warning us yet again as a statesman that such a world is all but inevitable. Even if we were to radically change course now, the momentum of Western decline will still take us straight into the path of the historical iceberg. It is too late. This sucker is going down like the Titanic.

Predictably, Buchanan's small minded critics on the Left - groups like the SPLC, Media Matters, and "Color of Change" - are distorting his work and charging him with heresy against the hoary old pieties of political correctness, as the Tea Party, the flash mobs, and Occupy Wall Street, not to the mention the mobs in Greece and Spain, arrive as omens of the American future.

A true statesman writes for history and posterity. One day the Millennial generation will look back and wonder why no one listened to the man who saw it coming and who could have been our president.

P.S.: Perhaps the most unimportant observation made in Suicide of a Superpower is that the GOP will share the fate of European-Christian America. The Republican Party can either start representing the interests of the shrinking pool of European-Christians which constitutes 90 percent of Republican voters or follow in the footsteps of the Whig Party.


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To: nickcarraway

“By the way, I notice you have studiously avoided the Catholic question.”

The only “Catholic question” you have created is your argument that Buchanan said in his book that Hitler should have kidnapped the Pope, which you later admitted was a straw man, and then that Buchanan is “anti-Catholic” even though Buchanan himself is not only a Catholic but a Catholic traditionalist and has always consistently defended the Catholic Church like in his recent column.

As for Poland, it was Winston Churchill who gave away Poland to Stalin along with the rest of Eastern Europe at the Yalta conference, where he was joined by his pal FDR who would do anything to appease “Uncle Joe” because his own administration was full of a communist infiltrators.


51 posted on 11/01/2011 4:27:47 AM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: nickcarraway

“Buchanan’s inability to acknowledge or criticize Hitler and Pius XII’s mutual hatred of each other is kind of at odds with your description of him as pro-Catholic.”

I don’t think we have read the same book. Buchanan spends most of his time (like many other British historians) criticizing the stupidity of British foreign policy that resulted in the destruction of the British Empire.

The idea that Buchanan is “anti-Catholic” is risible. Buchanan himself is a Catholic and spends much of his time in this book, you know, the one that I actually reviewed above bemoaning the decline of the Catholic Church in America.

“Both Pius XI and Pius XII thought Hitler was the most dangerous man in the world, not to mention a complete threat to the existence of Catholicism in Germany.”

Hitler has been dead since 1945.

What happened to the Catholic Church after the triumph of the victorious Allies? Hitler lost you know. Was that a victory for the Catholic Church? Is the Catholic Church stronger in Italy and Spain today than it was under Franco and Mussolini?

Is the Catholic Church stronger today in America? Is it stronger today in France?

“So Buchanan’s position is that he knew more about Hitler that Pius XI and Pius XII, and they were incompetent?”

Buchanan’s position, which is really not his own position, but a position which has been advanced by number of British historians, is that giving the war guarantee to Poland was a foolish decision that resulted in the destruction of Poland, arguably a more foolish decision than the Stamp Act or the Quebec Act which ignited the American Revolution.

Even mainstream historians no longer take seriously the absurd idea that Hitler was out to “conquer the world” or that he was going to “invade America.” Hitler couldn’t even conquer Britain and his own writings make clear that he admired Britain and actually wanted an alliance with Britain.

The only country that Hitler really wanted to go to war with was Josef Stalin’s Soviet Union. Instead of a Second World War, there could have been a Nazi-Soviet war, which would have been infinitely better for America, for Poland, for Britain, and France than the world war which came out of the Polish war guarantee.


52 posted on 11/01/2011 4:39:57 AM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

Nietzsche was right. He saw all this coming over a century ago. Inevitably.


53 posted on 11/01/2011 5:00:10 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: WilliamHouston; MestaMachine

How about believing in a strong military ? That’s something Pitchfork Pat DOES NOT believe in.

BTW, one can be a Conservative without being a Christian. After all, Mark Levin and Michael Savage are certainly Conservatives and both are Jewish. SE Cupp is an atheist and is most certainly a Conservative, as was Ayn Rand. (And let’s not forget, many of your fellow FReepers are Jewish.)

Pitchfork Pat plays the same sickening identity politics of the Ignorant Left.


54 posted on 11/01/2011 10:02:10 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: WilliamHouston; MestaMachine; Lazlo in PA

“It doesn’t matter.”

Oh, it matters when you collect a paycheck from the same people that pay Ed “The Red” Schultz who organized a rally that was endorsed by the Communist Party USA and the Democratic Socialists of America(DSA). That matters a great deal.

“Buchanan has consistently opposed third world immigration, abortion, multiculturalism, diversity, affirmative action, the welfare state and has stood up and taken a forthright stand for Christianity.”

So does Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Glenn Beck. So does every FReeper on this site.

“Instead of Buchanan, we got Poppy Bush, Bob Dole, W., and John McCain. Now we all have to live with the consequences of those foolish decisions.”

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Herr Buchanan serve in the same Nixon administration that gave us the EPA ? That’s certainly a consequence that we’re all living with, isn’t it ?


55 posted on 11/01/2011 10:14:34 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s a nice ad hominem. False, in so far as Pat is a committed Catholic. But where is he wrong here?


56 posted on 11/01/2011 11:29:46 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Absolutely Nobama
And, let’s not forget, Comrade Pat supports Ron Paul, Defender of the OWS Barbarians.
Guilt by association and ad hominem. That's two logical fallacies in one sentence. The OWS commies would hate this book. Does that make you an OWS supporter? According to the fallacy you use, yes.
57 posted on 11/01/2011 11:33:20 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: WilliamHouston

Are you argueing that Hitler’s Leibernsraum politcy or irridentist and revanchist expansion was anything but consquest after the annexation of Czechoslovalkia and not just the Sudenland? Becuase if you are, you and PAt are both either purposely ignorant or lying for politics.


58 posted on 11/01/2011 11:36:50 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: WilliamHouston
1. Churchill has no power in 1939.
2. And England and France stoppped the partition of Czechoslovakia, there would have been no Nazi-Soviet invasion of Poland. His and your arguments fail.
3. Your defense of bad history, just like PAt's lunacy, undermines WEstern Civilizaiton. Is your loyalty to pro-Islamic pacific or to Western Survival. Choose one.
59 posted on 11/01/2011 11:40:56 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: WilliamHouston

Nice review. I agree with the premise: the Left has taken what was once a genuinely free country and corrupted it with a system of perpetual dependence on the government and decadence. Unless somehow the American people wake up to the failure of socialism and multiculturalism and act quickly, the United States will certainly go the way of Rome.


60 posted on 11/01/2011 11:42:52 AM PDT by W.C.S.
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To: WilliamHouston
See James Burnham's "Suicide of the West." (1964) Same ideas, almost exact.
61 posted on 11/01/2011 11:44:09 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: nickcarraway
He advocated the kidnapping of Pius XII by Hitler.

Where is the evidence of that?

62 posted on 11/01/2011 11:58:03 AM PDT by x
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To: rmlew; WilliamHouston
How do you know he's a committed Catholic? Perhaps he is, but this is a rare case where I question the validity of his commitment. First of all, he is willing to overlook the murder of millions of Catholics. Perhaps that's not a theological issue, but I wonder how he can overlook it. Secondly, Popes are not infallible in geopolitics, but the degree to which he sweeps under the rug what Pius XII said and did is interesting. Most importantly, his whole argument blaming everyone but Nazi Germany ignore the suppression and hostility by Hitler. Pius XI and the future Pius XII took the extraordinary step of writing an encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, in German, not Latin. The Nazi's, quite rightly, took great offense to it.

All in all, I suppose some argument could be made that one is a, "committed Catholic," but would not care to defend the lives and rights to practice Catholicism of others, but just barely. I have my doubts. Personally, I think Buchanan's position is despicable, and he give anti-Catholics a bad name.

63 posted on 11/01/2011 11:58:45 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston
Danzig was an autonomous zone under League of Nations protectorate. Poland was building its own port at Gdynia. Sooner or later, Danzig probably would have reverted to Germany, if the Germans showed some patience.

Czechoslovakia was neither a tyranny nor "hated" by non-Czechs under its rule. It was one of the few democracies in the region and while there were frictions, "hatred" is far too strong a word.

64 posted on 11/01/2011 12:01:32 PM PDT by x
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To: rmlew; WilliamHouston
I forgot one thing: It's very clear that Hitler intended to kidnap Pius XII and hold him prisoner, perhaps kill him. No doubt Mr. Buchanan knows that, and apparently does not find it to be a reason to doubt Hitler's character and trustworthiness. The Pope was doing nothing to impede Hitler from having his precious Danzig, the need for which excuses all other actions.

Again, maybe there are committed Catholics willing to overlook the kidnapping of the Pope. On the other hand, maybe people who think that's a justifiable hint are crazy.

Sadly, Mr Buchanan has traded his Catholicism for a deranged leftism, or something even more bizarre.

65 posted on 11/01/2011 12:04:01 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: x
Danzig was an autonomous zone under League of Nations protectorate. Poland was building its own port at Gdynia. Sooner or later, Danzig probably would have reverted to Germany, if the Germans showed some patience.

Hitler wanted war...if it was just about Danzig, he would have rolled into Danzig and the Corridor and left the rest of Poland alone.

Hitler was actually ticked off about Munich 1938, he was denied the chance to test his war machine in Czechoslovakia, he was not going to make that same mistake with Poland.

66 posted on 11/01/2011 12:04:26 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Absolutely Nobama

‘Doesn’t Pat Buchanan work for his “small-minded critics on the Left” ? Last time I checked, ol’ Pitchfork Pat was a commentator on PMSNBC.’


The troll award goes to you with the first post to change the topic from the the subject of the book to Buchanan. I’m sure you won’t be the last.


67 posted on 11/01/2011 12:18:46 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: W.C.S.

‘Nice review. I agree with the premise: the Left has taken what was once a genuinely free country and corrupted it with a system of perpetual dependence on the government and decadence. Unless somehow the American people wake up to the failure of socialism and multiculturalism and act quickly, the United States will certainly go the way of Rome.


True - and by looking at postings here, they’re rather discuss a book about WW II than confront the truth of what Buchanan wrote.


68 posted on 11/01/2011 12:27:09 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: ex-snook

“The troll award goes to you with the first post to change the topic from the the subject of the book to Buchanan. I’m sure you won’t be the last.”

Pitchfork Pat wrote the book, did he not ? How on God’s green and cooling Earth is that changing the subject ?


69 posted on 11/01/2011 7:49:33 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: rmlew

No, that would not be the case at all. Pitchfork Pat supports Ron Paul. Ron Paul, in turn, gave his blessings to the OWS crowd in the last debate when he called the human debris “victims”. None of that is ad hominem, those are all easily proven facts.

My problem is with Pat Buchanan, who calls America “imperialist”. My problem with Ron Paul, is, well, Ron Paul.


70 posted on 11/01/2011 7:58:39 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

And what does any of this have to do with the book or article?


71 posted on 11/01/2011 8:32:09 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

You said I was making an ad hominem attack when I clearly am not.


72 posted on 11/01/2011 8:49:27 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: nickcarraway

Danzig or “Free City of Danzig” is what we know today as Gdansk.


73 posted on 11/02/2011 9:00:48 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Actually I don’t think Pat supports the “OWS barbarians”. What he’s against is crony capitalism and the people who engage in it, including Obama. This is about the ONLY thing that people outside of politiical power agree on across the board.


74 posted on 11/02/2011 9:07:15 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

(1) What’s the use of a “strong military” that is deployed in Germany to defend Latvia from Russia and South Korea from North Korea and to police the wilds of Afghanistan when illegal aliens are allowed to invade Texas and Arizona?

(2) Laughs.

Just what exactly are these “conservatives” actually trying to “conserve”? Are they defending gay marriage like Ann Coulter? Writing for Frum Forum?

(3) Ayn Rand herself said that she WAS NOT a conservative.

(4) What matters is that they believe in God and are trying to preserve their culture and heritage. In that sense, Orthodox Jews are conservatives.

(5) Last time I checked, the Left’s ideal was “colorblindness” and “non-discrimination,” and it was the Left that invented the idea that America is a “proposition nation” or a “creedal nation” in the 1940s.


75 posted on 11/02/2011 9:43:15 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Ron Paul is like a broken clock. He has a few good ideas and lots of bad ideas. Paul is a principled libertarian. He isn’t a conservative though.

The United States is an empire. Are you kidding? Just how many military bases do we have overseas? How many troops do we have deployed overseas? How many foreign alliances are we entangled in now?

What do you call Puerto Rico? What about Guam? Of course America has an empire. The dollar is the world’s reserve currency because America is an empire.


76 posted on 11/02/2011 9:46:34 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: nickcarraway

“I forgot one thing: It’s very clear that Hitler intended to kidnap Pius XII and hold him prisoner, perhaps kill him.”

Did that ever happen?

“The Pope was doing nothing to impede Hitler from having his precious Danzig, the need for which excuses all other actions”

The only reason that Italy got involved in WW2 is because Britain and France declared war on Germany over Poland and Poland refused to negotiate because of the British war guarantee.

“Again, maybe there are committed Catholics willing to overlook the kidnapping of the Pope. On the other hand, maybe people who think that’s a justifiable hint are crazy.”

Speaking of committed Catholics, what happened to the committed Catholics of America? What about the committed Catholics of Poland, Italy, Spain, and France?

Isn’t Buchanan right that a third of Catholics in America have become apostates?

“Sadly, Mr Buchanan has traded his Catholicism for a deranged leftism, or something even more bizarre.”

Buchanan looks at Western Europe and sees the reality of the situation: a continent where Catholicism has evaporated in Italy, Spain, and France, which is being overwhelmed by Muslim immigrants, where Europeans can’t even be bothered to propagate themselves.

He also sees the reality of the situation in America: in the United States, over a third of Catholics have abandoned Catholicism, and we live in arguably what is one of the most degenerate societies that has ever existed in world history.

I guess that is what you call “victory.”


77 posted on 11/02/2011 9:52:16 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: rmlew

(1) Clearly, Hitler sought his “lebensraum” in the Soviet Union which he we went to war with anyway in 1941.

(2) Hitler had no desire to go to war with the West or with Poland. On the contrary, it was Britain and France that declared war on Germany, and who turned the conflict into a world war, and who dragged America into the conflict.

(3) In the narrative of German evil, Bohemia which had been part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire for centuries and Prague which had been the capital of the Holy Roman Empire was an “aggressive conquest” by “militarist Germany.”

In this narrative, the fact that Slovakia seceded from Czechoslovakia (twice) and Poland (the official good guy) also invaded Czechoslovakia is ignored, as is the invasion by Hungary.

(4) Pat is right on the facts: Hitler wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union and the war with Poland was not part of any grand design on the part of Germany, but rather it was a response to the diplomatic situation that arose after Chamberlain gave the Poles that war guarantee.

If Chamblerlain had not given the Poles the war guarantee, they would have ceded Danzig to Germany, and the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact would have kept Poland (like Sweden) out of the war between the Germans and the Soviets.

Hitler would have gone to war with Stalin. There would not have been a war in Poland, or a war with Britain and France, or a war between Japan and the United States, or a war that raged everywhere from the Balkans to Italy to North Africa to Northern Europe and the Netherlands.

Instead of there being a world war that destroyed Europe, there would have been a Nazi-Soviet War, which would have crippled Nazism and Communism.

Think about it: there wouldn’t have been a Vietnam, there wouldn’t have been a Communist China, there wouldn’t have been a Cuban Revolution, there wouldn’t been a triumph of liberalism in Europe, etc.


78 posted on 11/02/2011 10:04:10 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

(1) We have troops all over the world to react threats quickly.

(2) Ann Coulter opposes gay marriage.

“NEW YORK, September 28, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Conservative commentator Ann Coulter stayed true to her reputation for courting controversy during an address to homosexual conservatives in New York on Saturday, telling them that they did not need special rights and that marriage was the union of a man and a woman.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/sep/10092807

3) Ayn Rand was distancing herself from the so-called “Old Right”.

4) Atheists can be Conservatives, too. Again, see SE Cupp, who’s not exactly a liberal.

5) Conservatives believe in color-blindness, too. Barry Goldwater was a card carrying member of the NAACP. If you haven’t noticed, Herman Cain is leading in the polls. In 2010, Consrvatives surged to the polls and elected:

Susana Martinez

Tim Scott

Marco Rubio

Ileana Ros Lethinen (I’d be hard pressd to call her a Conervative, but Miami is a blue hell hole. That’s the best the Republican party wa going to do there.)

Allen West

Nikki Haley


79 posted on 11/02/2011 10:06:24 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: WilliamHouston

“What do you call Puerto Rico? What about Guam? Of course America has an empire. The dollar is the world’s reserve currency because America is an empire.”

Should we give back Florida ? Louisiana ? Texas ? Alaska ? Hawaii ?


80 posted on 11/02/2011 10:11:11 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: WilliamHouston

“Ron Paul is like a broken clock. He has a few good ideas and lots of bad ideas.”

Now we’re cooking with some gas!


81 posted on 11/02/2011 10:15:07 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: nickcarraway

“How do you know he’s a committed Catholic? Perhaps he is, but this is a rare case where I question the validity of his commitment.”

Umm ... because I have been reading him for ten years and he makes that clear in the book that I reviewed?

“First of all, he is willing to overlook the murder of millions of Catholics. Perhaps that’s not a theological issue, but I wonder how he can overlook it.”

No, Pat’s point is actually that the policies which you seem to support are what resulted in the deaths of millions of Catholics, which brought about the absolute worse case scenario, the most destructive war in the history of the world.

“Secondly, Popes are not infallible in geopolitics, but the degree to which he sweeps under the rug what Pius XII said and did is interesting. Most importantly, his whole argument blaming everyone but Nazi Germany ignore the suppression and hostility by Hitler.”

Pat’s analysis is fair and objective: it is clear that Hitler wanted a war with the Soviet Union, not a war with Poland, and went to war with Poland only because the Poles refused to cede their claim to Danzig.

The only reason there was a war with the West is because Britain and France declared war on Germany over Poland and the only reason they did that is because Chamberlain “guaranteed” the independence of Poland.

What is your response to that? You have claimed that Danzig was “really” part of Germany, when it was a “free city,” and was not part of Germany at all.

“Pius XI and the future Pius XII took the extraordinary step of writing an encyclical, Mit Brennender Sorge, in German, not Latin. The Nazi’s, quite rightly, took great offense to it.”

Let me see here: after the triumph of the Allies, what happened to Catholicism in Europe? What happened to Catholicism in the United States?

How is Catholicism doing now in France? Hitler lost. FDR and Churchill triumphed. Look at Britain today. That is the triumph of Winston Churchill.

“All in all, I suppose some argument could be made that one is a, “committed Catholic,” but would not care to defend the lives and rights to practice Catholicism of others, but just barely. I have my doubts.”

Oh, I see: in your view, “defending Catholicism” means waging a world war against Germany, which resulted in the death of millions of Catholics and the collapse of Catholicism in Europe and its near collapse in the United States, and in your view this was necessary to “protect” the Pope from Hitler, when the only thing that brought German troops into Italy was the Allied invasion.

“Personally, I think Buchanan’s position is despicable, and he give anti-Catholics a bad name.”

LMAO.

Like I said, what happened to Catholicism in the United States? What happened to Catholicism in Spain, Germany, France, Italy, and Ireland?

Catholicism is doing great, right? Just wonderful because Catholicism was saved by firebombing Catholics in Germany, right?

What about German Catholics? How many of them died in the Second World War? How many Catholic women were raped in Poland, Hungary, Austria, Croatia, and Germany by the Red Army?

That’s very pro-Catholic, right? Hungary, Croatia, and Poland under Communist rule for half a century? Communists nearly taking over France and Italy. Millions of dead Catholics in Germany.

Could it have been otherwise? What would have happened if the war mongering idiots like FDR and Churchill hadn’t triumphed? Do we have a clue?

Well, there is Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Switzerland, and Sweden which decided to STAY OUT of the stupid conflict.


82 posted on 11/02/2011 10:15:25 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Absolutely Nobama

“Should we give back Florida ? Louisiana ? Texas ? Alaska ? Hawaii”

Puerto Rico and Guam are not states. Neither were the Philippines and Cuba when they were under American control. You have named five states.


83 posted on 11/02/2011 10:16:46 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Absolutely Nobama

(1) Yes, we have troops that defend the border of South Korea, troops which are deployed to Germany to defend Latvia from Russia, and we bomb countries like Serbia and Libya to “spread democracy” and “women’s rights.”

Meanwhile, millions of illegal aliens have invaded California, Arizona, and Texas, and now they can be found as far away as Alabama and North Carolina.

(2) Ann Coulter spoke at “GOProud” just a few weeks ago.

(3) I have Ayn Rand’s own books where she denounces conservatism. I’m sure there is an entry about “conservatism” in the Ayn Rand encyclopedia. I have it on my bookshelf.

(4) What exactly is an atheist “conserving”? Does anyone know”

(5) There is nothing whatsoever “conservative” about “colorblindness” - it is a leftwing idea, which the Communist Party USA alone supported in the 1920s, and it was only adopted in America only because we were competing with the Soviets in the Third World, and had to neutralize that issue to counter their propaganda.

The NAACP is and always has been a radical leftwing organization. It was founded by card carrying progressives like John Dewey. The State of Alabama tried to ban the NAACP.

(6) Hermann Cain is leading in the polls because White conservatives are supporting him. Even if he were to win the Republican primary, 90 to 95 percent of blacks are going to vote to reelect Obama.

(7) Ileana Ros Lethinen voted for the DREAM Act. Tim Scott, Bobby Jindal, Allen West, Susana Martinez, and Marco Rubio are in power because they won the White vote.

Blacks voted against Allen West and Tim Scott. There is not a single black conservative in the House of Representatives or in any state legislature in the United States that was elected by blacks.

(8) 90 percent of Republican voters are White Christians. The number was unchanged from 2008 to 2010.

(9) The conservative idea of “colorblindness” lost California to the Democrats forever. It has turned Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico into purple states which are becoming blue states.

It has made Florida into a purple state. Within 20 years, the conservative idea of “colorblindness” will have turned Nevada, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Virginia, Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, and North Carolina into Blue states.

So what is the GOP going to do then? Are we going to keep talking about how MLK was a great Republican conservative when Republicans are unable to win Florida, Georgia, Texas, Mississippi, Virginia, and North Carolina?

Maybe Michael Steele will come back and give GOP.com another “hip hop” makeover to attract the black vote.


84 posted on 11/02/2011 10:33:22 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Absolutely Nobama

“So does Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and Glenn Beck. So does every FReeper on this site.”

That’s not the Rush Limbaugh or the Free Republic that I remember when George W. Bush was president and was pushing for “comprehensive immigration reform.”

“Oh, it matters when you collect a paycheck from the same people that pay Ed “The Red” Schultz who organized a rally that was endorsed by the Communist Party USA and the Democratic Socialists of America(DSA). That matters a great deal.”

If MSNBC hosts Pat Buchanan, then great. I listen to Buchanan because he is a serious conservative who stands head and shoulders over his contemporaries. He is a Republican cheerleader like Hannity.

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Herr Buchanan serve in the same Nixon administration that gave us the EPA ? That’s certainly a consequence that we’re all living with, isn’t it ?”

Buchanan has come a long way over the years. As for the Nixon administration, I wasn’t alive back then, and even today the EPA isn’t nearly at the top of the list of my concerns.

When I was entering college, Buchanan was writing about The Death of the West, the death of our civilization, and the Republican cheerleaders were calling W. a “conservative.” I remember when Michael Steele and Ken Mehlman were the face of the GOP.

I wanted nothing to do with the GOP back then. It was clear to me back then that the GOP under Bush was for endless foreign wars, big spending on “No Child Left Behind,” amnesty for illegal aliens, making cabinet picks on the basis of “diversity,” celebrating Cinco de Mayo and Kwanzaa in the White House.

The lowest point came in 2006 and 2007 when Bush ganged up with Ted Kennedy to pass his amnesty bill and John McCain won the Republican nomination. Something like 66 percent of Millennials voted for Obama.

I voted for Chuck Baldwin in disgust. There was no way I was voting for John McCain.


85 posted on 11/02/2011 10:47:01 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: lone star annie; All
Pat is on MSNBC as the token conservative because the left views him as a racist nut and he is always trashing the GOP.

I doubt that's the reason. It's more that he's sharp, colorful, and brings a wealth of of historical and political knowledge to the table--in an industry dominated by airheads. The worst sin in cable news is not being considered "a bad person"; it's being a bore, and Buchanan is never that. In 1966, Pat became Richard Nixon's first paid full-time staffer, not because Pat viewed him as a real conservative, but because Pat viewed him as the most viable part-time conservative likely to arrest America's leftist slide to some extent in the wake of Barry Goldwater's debacle in 1964. Pat always fought for conservative policies, whether under Nixon, Ford, or Reagan. MSNBC also has has on "Republicans" like Mark McKinnon, Steve Schmidt, and Nicolle Wallace, social liberal alls, all of them reliable antagonists of social conservatives, Sarah Palin in particular. They're always welcome on Rachel Maddow's show, unlike Pat Buchanan, who did not hesitate to burn his bridges with her.

And I think there's another factor that contributes to Pat's longevity at MSNBC. Because it's an overwhelmingly liberal network, liberals pull their punches and don't call for a full-on boycott of their favorite network, however much they demand that they fire Pat. If Pat worked at CNN, let alone Fox, liberals would show no restraint in their assault on the network as a whole.
86 posted on 11/02/2011 10:53:16 PM PDT by eater-of-toast ("It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones." --Calvin Coolidge)
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To: WilliamHouston
Hitler lost. FDR and Churchill triumphed. Look at Britain today. That is the triumph of Winston Churchill.

In an earlier post you said Hitler triumphed and Churchill lost? Which is it?

87 posted on 11/02/2011 11:10:36 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston
Hitler lost. FDR and Churchill triumphed. Look at Britain today. That is the triumph of Winston Churchill.

Just so I can get you on record: You are saying if Hitler "triumphed," the world would be a better place?

88 posted on 11/02/2011 11:12:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston; rmlew

WilliamHouston, if you are going to claim that Danzig is the lynchpin of all history, you are setting yourself up for a higher level of proof than you have offered, Please show a shred of proof that Danzig was more important to the whole world than everything else. In your theory, it is the pivot to all history. A lot of other things were going on between 1918 and 1939. I guess the Depression, Nazi ideology, advancing technology, all geopolitics not related to Danzig, etc. pale in comparison to Danzig. And Danzig was so important that Nazi Germany was justified in taking ANY action in getting it back. To anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history, you and Mr. Buchanan’s theory is preposterous.


89 posted on 11/02/2011 11:18:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston
Let me see here: after the triumph of the Allies, what happened to Catholicism in Europe? What happened to Catholicism in the United States?

How would Hitler have made it better? I guess you know more than Pius XI and Pius XII, since you think that Hitler was going to save Catholicism. And don't forget the communists, Buchanan's other heroes.

90 posted on 11/02/2011 11:22:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“In an earlier post you said Hitler triumphed and Churchill lost? Which is it?”

Obviously, Hitler lost and committed suicide. It was Churchill who won, right? It was a great victory for Catholicism, right?

I mean look just look at that magnificent victory, at what Britain looks like in the 21st century, and what Catholicism looks like in the 21st century in Europe.


91 posted on 11/02/2011 11:24:14 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: nickcarraway

No, I am saying that Britain shouldn’t have given the war guarantee to Poland. Instead, Poland should have ceded Danzig and preserved its non-aggression pact with Germany, and STAYED OUT of the war like Sweden and Switzerland.

Instead, Poland went to war ... and was annihilated as a consequence of that foolish decision. Hitler and Stalin should have been allowed to go to war and destroy each other.

We would have saved millions lives that way and there never would have been a Cold War.


92 posted on 11/02/2011 11:26:41 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston

“As for the Nixon administration, I wasn’t alive back then, and even today the EPA isn’t nearly at the top of the list of my concerns.”

You have been watching Pitchfork Pat on PMSNBC for far too long. The EPA has UNELECTED bureaucrats making regulations that have the same weight as laws. Last time I checked, only elected Congress Critters get to that.


93 posted on 11/02/2011 11:27:30 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: nickcarraway

“WilliamHouston, if you are going to claim that Danzig is the lynchpin of all history, you are setting yourself up for a higher level of proof than you have offered, Please show a shred of proof that Danzig was more important to the whole world than everything else.”

(1) Danzig was THE CAUSE of the German invasion of Poland.

(2) The British war guarantee was THE CAUSE of Poland’s refusal to cede its claim to Danzig ... a city that was 95 percent German.

(3) The German invasion of Poland, which violated Chamberlain’s war guarantee, was THE CAUSE of Britain declaring war on Germany.

(4) The British war guarantee was THE CAUSE of the Nazi-Soviet Pact.

(5) The war between Britain and Germany was THE CAUSE of Italy getting into the war.

(6) The war between Britain and Germany was THE CAUSE of American intervention.

“In your theory, it is the pivot to all history. A lot of other things were going on between 1918 and 1939.”

This was all discussed in the book - not the one I reviewed, but the previous one.

“I guess the Depression, Nazi ideology, advancing technology, all geopolitics not related to Danzig, etc.”

The entire political spectrum in Germany - liberals, moderates, conservatives, Nazis, and communists - supported the annexation of Danzig because it was a German city that had been stripped away from Germany by a stupid punitive treaty.

Hitler’s popularity was due to the Versailles Treaty. That’s how we rose to power. By identifying himself with that consensus within Germany.

Quite obviously, the world would have been infinitely better off if the foolish decision hadn’t been made to create the “Free City of Danzig.”

“pale in comparison to Danzig. And Danzig was so important that Nazi Germany was justified in taking ANY action in getting it back.”

Germany was justified in taking back Danzig. It was a German city that had been severed from Germany by the punitive Versailles Treaty. Even America acknowledged that Danzig was a legitimate grievance by rejecting the Versailles Treaty.

“To anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history, you and Mr. Buchanan’s theory is preposterous.”

I’m still waiting to see your knowledge of history. Hitherto, you haven’t responded to my arguments, but instead have attacked straw men that you have created like the idea that Buchanan wanted Hitler to “kidnap” the Pope.


94 posted on 11/02/2011 11:34:37 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston; rmlew
(1) Clearly, Hitler sought his “lebensraum” in the Soviet Union which he we went to war with anyway in 1941.

On what planet do you have to be from to believe that Hitler's 1941 invasion of Russia proves that he didn't want to invade France & England? Winston Churchill did not become Prime Minister May 1940. Germany had already invaded at least 7 countries on the Western Front. England had declared war on Germany, but had not taken any significant offensive action. There was no indication they would, if Germany had stayed status quo. Any British leader in history, would not allow Germany to control all of France. It's basic geopolitics. Germany did not have to invade all of Western Europe to keep Danzig, Which they already controlled anyway. There is not theory of war or geopolitics that says that was necessary. Also, they had a long-developed plan to invade France. Why did they need that, if they had not intention to invade France.

95 posted on 11/02/2011 11:35:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston
Isn’t Buchanan right that a third of Catholics in America have become apostates?

No, he's not. It's way more than a third. He should no, since he is one. If we were back before the 1950s his books would be on the index of forbidden books because of their content.

96 posted on 11/02/2011 11:39:37 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“How would Hitler have made it better? I guess you know more than Pius XI and Pius XII, since you think that Hitler was going to save Catholicism. And don’t forget the communists, Buchanan’s other heroes.”

Well, let’s see:

(1) First, if Britain hadn’t given the stupid war guarantee to Poland, then Poland would have ceded Danzig, and would have preserved its non-aggression pact with Germany, thereby saving the lives of millions of Polish Catholics.

(2) Second, if Britain hadn’t gone to war over Poland, then millions of German Catholics wouldn’t have lost their lives, France would not have been occupied by Germany, and Italy would not have been conquered.

(3) Third, if the Western allies hadn’t attacked Germany, then Croatia and Hungary would not have been occupied and raped by the Red Army.

(4) Fourth, if Hitler and Stalin had gone to war in 1939, the West and Poland could have stayed out of the conflict, and the Soviet Union wouldn’t have been around to put the “Iron Curtain” over Eastern Europe, and to support communist revolutions around the world.

(5) Most importantly, if there never had been a Second World War, the West wouldn’t have become a self loathing death cult in the grips of radical liberalism and radical multiculturalism, and the Western Empires wouldn’t have collapsed in the Third World, and the millions who lost their lives in that region would never have died.

As for your ludicrous suggestion that Buchanan was “pro-communist,” it was FDR and Churchill who allied themselves with the Soviet Union, and who ceded Poland to Stalin at Yalta, and who put all of Eastern Europe in thrall to communism, and who set the stage for the expansion of communism across the entire world in the decades that followed.


97 posted on 11/02/2011 11:41:38 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: Absolutely Nobama

“You have been watching Pitchfork Pat on PMSNBC for far too long. The EPA has UNELECTED bureaucrats making regulations that have the same weight as laws. Last time I checked, only elected Congress Critters get to that.”

Yeah, but Buchanan is pointing out that Western Christendom has collapsed in Western Europe, and that the people there are literally dying out and being invaded by Muslims, and that America is becoming a Third World country like Brazil, and you are talking about EPA regulations.


98 posted on 11/02/2011 11:43:34 PM PDT by WilliamHouston
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To: WilliamHouston
Instead, Poland went to war ... and was annihilated as a consequence of that foolish decision. Hitler and Stalin should have been allowed to go to war and destroy each other.

How can you contradict yourself in one sentence. If Germany and Russia went to war then Poland will be annihilated anyway. In fact, you suggest the one circumstance that could have resulted in a worse outcome for Poland than what actually happened. If the war had happened later and more gradually, Poland would have been even more screwed.

99 posted on 11/02/2011 11:44:53 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: WilliamHouston
No, I am saying that Britain shouldn’t have given the war guarantee to Poland.

That one war guarantee FORCED Hitler to go on a rampage? Really? I'm not sure I agree they should have done it, but your idea that it outweighs everything is preposterous. How can a war guarantee be so terrible, but invading and bombing a countries that haven't martially attacked you is so innocent. In other posts you decry the U.S. military being deployed in recent circumstances. But you think Germany's invasion of Western Europe is nothing to be criticized. How come you and Mr. Buchanan give, "special privileges," to Nazi Germany that other countries don't get? What is the justification for this double standard?

100 posted on 11/02/2011 11:50:34 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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