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Cain Confronts Claim From 90s of Sexual Harassment
New York Times ^ | October 31, 2011 | JIM RUTENBERG and MICHAEL D. SHEAR

Posted on 11/01/2011 5:26:24 AM PDT by lbryce

Herman Cain, a surprise leader in the Republican race for the presidency, acknowledged Monday that he was accused of sexual harassment while chief of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, but he denied wrongdoing in an episode that has consumed his rising candidacy.

Facing the biggest test of his campaign just as it was demanding notice from a political world that had not seen him coming, Mr. Cain spent the day in a whirlwind of television interviews and news briefings that were originally supposed to highlight his economic plans but became an exercise in damage control.

He maintained that he had been falsely accused and that internal investigations at the association had corroborated that. But his explanations evolved during a day in which conservative supporters rallied against what they called an unfair attack from the news media, while others expressed fresh doubts about a campaign that has yet to prove it has the mettle to survive a national nominating battle.

Mr. Cain’s shifting explanations and the gaps in the story made it hard to determine the impact of the revelations on his long-term prospects in states like Iowa, whose crucial caucuses are just two months away.

In the early afternoon, Mr. Cain told a gathering at the National Press Club in Washington that “I am unaware of any sort of settlement” related to harassment accusations, which he called “a witch hunt.” But in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of the Fox News Channel shown Monday night, he acknowledged that in at least one case “there was some sort of settlement or termination,” worth “maybe three months’ salary.”

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“This is another high-tech lynching,” the conservative commentator Ann Coulter asserted, reprising Mr. Thomas’s famous term from his confirmation hearings.

The MSM and their liberal, left-wing cohorts are celebratory in their deluded discovery of a potent tool/weapon in which they hope to derail Cain's formidable position with accusations of sexual harassment that have consumed his rising candidacy. It's mostly about people whispering in the darkness,people who remain anonymous, people who refuse to speak about it, as basis for these allegations.

No matter how paltry, unsubstantiated these allegation may be, the MSM, left-wing liberal moonbats, even Republicans are having a field day, at least temporarily, with alleged revelations of wrongdoing by Cain which eventually, I hope, will have Cain thoroughly absolved of all, any accusations.

1 posted on 11/01/2011 5:26:28 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

Click on the cane, (Obama, You're Fired.)

2 posted on 11/01/2011 5:29:07 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: lbryce

““This is another high-tech lynching,” the conservative commentator Ann Coulter asserted, reprising Mr. Thomas’s famous term from his confirmation hearings”

Time to send Herman more money.


3 posted on 11/01/2011 5:32:49 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: lbryce

This morning, my local news reported it as ‘sexual misconduct’, not ‘sexual harrassment’.
To me, that makes it sound worse than it was. Maybe it’s just me, but ‘misconduct’ makes it sound like something he physically did, not just something he said.

Anyone else noticing the media saying this?


4 posted on 11/01/2011 5:37:31 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: freeangel

No...time to ask for a refund. He lied...said he didn’t know about a settlement....well, he did.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 5:38:03 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: nuconvert
Need a definition...

Sounds just like...."I did not have sex with that woman".....

6 posted on 11/01/2011 5:39:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: freeangel

Yup, I’ve been on the fence about donating to HC. No more today he will receive his first 9.99 from me.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 5:40:05 AM PDT by HotKat
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To: nuconvert

Actually, Nuconvert... I was sort of thinking the opposite. Sexual harassment (to me) sounds like it was an ongoing issue. “Misconduct” (again, to me) makes it sound like one event that could have been an “improper” joke, look, statement etc... Harassing sounds like a constant bullying while misconduct sounds like it had to be interpretive.


8 posted on 11/01/2011 5:42:42 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: lbryce; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; Marine_Uncle
RE :”Mr. Cain’s shifting explanations and the gaps in the story made it hard to determine the impact of the revelations on his long-term prospects in states like Iowa, whose crucial caucuses are just two months away. In the early afternoon, Mr. Cain told a gathering at the National Press Club in Washington that “I am unaware of any sort of settlement” related to harassment accusations, which he called “a witch hunt.” But in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of the Fox News Channel shown Monday night, he acknowledged that in at least one case “there was some sort of settlement or termination,” worth “maybe three months’ salary.

This starts with a question from Politico : “Have you ever been accused of ...???.. Please answer yes no”

Then the Scarbouro/Rove RINOs accuse him of not being ready for him refusing to answer specifically .

Then (in response) you got two interviews by Cain that appear to contradict each other (see above), and the RINO s calling him a liar. And Democrats just watching and enjoying.

9 posted on 11/01/2011 5:43:17 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Sacajaweau
Only the worst Perry trolls are joining the MSM in trying to make political points off of this.

You know, trolls ... just like you.

If you had any shame you would just shut up instead of rolling in the liberal dogpile in front of you.

10 posted on 11/01/2011 5:44:32 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Sacajaweau
He lied...said he didn’t know about a settlement....well, he did.

So tell us the lie here:

In the early afternoon, Mr. Cain told a gathering at the National Press Club in Washington that “I am unaware of any sort of settlement” related to harassment accusations, which he called “a witch hunt.” But in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of the Fox News Channel shown Monday night, he acknowledged that in at least one case “there was some sort of settlement or termination,” worth “maybe three months’ salary.”

Did it occur to you that someone told him the details about a settlement in the intervening time interval?

LOOK! A FRESH MSM TURD! LET'S ROLL!

11 posted on 11/01/2011 5:46:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nuconvert
This morning, my local news reported it as ‘sexual misconduct’, not ‘sexual harassment’.

They should tell it like it is: 2 ladies apparently tried to exhort money from the company by making false claims against the CEO.

12 posted on 11/01/2011 5:46:56 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: nuconvert

“This morning, my local news reported it as ‘sexual misconduct’, not ‘sexual harrassment’.”

I just want someone to ask Mr. Cain if he smokes cigars and if so, did he ever use a cigar as a sex toy.


13 posted on 11/01/2011 5:47:00 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Sacajaweau

Perry troll.


14 posted on 11/01/2011 5:47:07 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: lbryce

—In the early afternoon, Mr. Cain told a gathering at the National Press Club in Washington that “I am unaware of any sort of settlement” related to harassment accusations, which he called “a witch hunt.” But in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of the Fox News Channel shown Monday night, he acknowledged that in at least one case “there was some sort of settlement or termination,” worth “maybe three months’ salary.”—

This is a weird statement. Why the word “but”? If in the early afternoon he didn’t know, but by that night he did? Would he not have learned some things between the two statements? Is the information not getting to him at a very rapid rate?

It looks an awful lot like spin on the part of the NYT.


15 posted on 11/01/2011 5:47:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sacajaweau

—No...time to ask for a refund. He lied...said he didn’t know about a settlement....well, he did.—

When? Where in that article is there any evidence of a lie? I’m missing it.


16 posted on 11/01/2011 5:48:17 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sacajaweau

—Sounds just like....”I did not have sex with that woman”.....—

What did?


17 posted on 11/01/2011 5:49:02 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sacajaweau
Sounds just like...."I did not have sex with that woman".....

Yup, and just like Clinton, Cain will win the White House!

18 posted on 11/01/2011 5:50:31 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: lbryce
"two people who were affiliated with the restaurant group at the time said that they knew of the second female employee, and that she had received a payment related to harassment accusations against Mr. Cain . . . The two spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid being pulled into the matter publicly . . . [one spoke of another incident] but this person declined to give details."

Anonymous sources, no details of the "crime" -- yep, it's the Nytimese idea of "reporting."

And it's why I say Journalism should wash his shorts and get rid of of them skid marks pretending to be reporters.

In general, the MSM employees seem to be downplaying the "act" (BJ and others did much worse) and instead they are attacking Cain for his "failure" to respond in a manner that they approve.. which of course is impossible because the MSM employees won't be happy until Cain is destroyed.

I recall a few liberals following Election 1964 asking did they go too far trying to destroy Barry Goldwater.

19 posted on 11/01/2011 5:51:20 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: lbryce

This will stay in the news trying to cause guilt by association. My local paper had a big story this morning of how Anita Hill led off the battle against sexual harassment. The guns are all coming to bare. Funny how obummer has a phony social security number and it was NEVER mentioned in any lamestream news outlet that I saw. Hang in there Mr. Cain - this too will pass.


20 posted on 11/01/2011 5:51:52 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: dirtboy
Did it occur to you that someone told him the details about a settlement in the intervening time interval?

Mark Levin said last night that it takes time to unseal closed documents from the court system. Cain probably didn't know what was in the documents.

21 posted on 11/01/2011 5:52:29 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Or one of the laywers familiar with the case might have called Cain.

The point is, until Cain or someone closely associated with Cain (and who is willing to have their name in print) says Cain knew about the settlements, it's premature to claim Cain was lying.

But that sure won't stop some of the Perry trolls around FR from making that claim. Most of the Perry supporters on FR are decent, but a few really are unprincipled hacks. Those are the ones I refer to as trolls. Anyone who uses what is clearly MSM spin to attack a conservative is a troll in my book.

22 posted on 11/01/2011 5:55:13 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: sickoflibs

The Perrykrishna’s do all they can to avoid the totality of info on this thread.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2800372/posts

I really can’t blame them though. LOL


23 posted on 11/01/2011 5:55:26 AM PDT by dforest
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To: lbryce
Rove and the GOPbot Establishment better buy a clue.

1/3 to 1/2 of the Tea Party do not like the GOP Establishment to start with. This sort of sleazebot attack on Cain may just buy the GOP a 3rd party challenger from the right in 2012 if they are not careful.

Beat Cain on the issues or get out of the way Rovebots. The GOP grassroots are not going to put up with your sleazy politics as usual tactics this time around. The stakes in 2012 are far to high for the GOP Establishment's stupid political tricks.

24 posted on 11/01/2011 5:55:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: momtothree

The word ‘harrassment’ was improper from the begining, as far as I’m concerned, because it does imply an ongoing or repeated action. However, the legal definition has nothing to do with how many times or how long the situation has gone on - once is enough - and most people understand that definition, even though it doesn’t seem to make sense.

That’s why changing it to ‘sexual misconduct’, which is a phrase not as familiar to people, makes it sound worse.


25 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:08 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Sacajaweau
Sounds just like...."I did not have sex with that woman".....

Care to explain how you got from point A to point B on that one? Didn't think so.

Suggestion: Why don't you move to Massachusetts? Then you can get your fill of Romney.
26 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:09 AM PDT by Shannon
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To: ASA Vet

He was on Greta last night. She is a lawyer and very good at interrogation and asking questions. Cain came across as credible, truthful and honest in responding to her questions. He did not evade nor conveniently forget except for instances where it would be reasonable to assume it would be difficult for anyone to to recall information of the type Greta was asking for. Also, knowing quite a bit about the mechanics of “sexual harassment” charges and their outcomes, Cain’s narrative was pretty familiar with respect to the “pay them off if they will just leave” scenario. There is nothing here except (possibly) two under performing females taking advantage of circumstances that permitted them a parting shot opportunity to bilk their employer.


27 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:15 AM PDT by yetidog
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To: Sacajaweau

Better buy a clue smearbot. Nobody is buying your lying smear posts anymore.


28 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:24 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: lbryce

29 posted on 11/01/2011 5:56:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stars & stripes forever

“They should tell it like it is: 2 ladies apparently tried to exhort money from the company by making false claims against the CEO.”

Exactly.


30 posted on 11/01/2011 5:57:34 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: dirtboy

As one gets a bit older, and especially one who has led a very active, fast paced life—the details of some events tend to blur—believe me, I know of what I speak—LOL!

But—the woman was actually not “paid off” —she was fired and paid a three month’s salary settlement. That’s a huge difference! Now—I wonder how many people have worked for Mr. Cain through the years....does anyone think he remembers them all?

I figure that whoever was hired to take care of stuff like this, took care of it and might have mentioned it to Mr. Cain, but certainly no big deal was made of it at the time.

And no—I wouldn’t have remembered that, either, especially if I had led as busy and varied a life as Mr. Cain has.

The mistake was that the Cain organizers are new to this game, and weren’t fully prepared to handle the whole thing.

To me the whole thing is trivial, unless there is a lot more that we on’t know yet..........


31 posted on 11/01/2011 5:58:55 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: Sacajaweau
Tell you what Romneybot.

How about you try making a case FOR your candidate one time instead of engaging in these gutter slime level political tactics?

32 posted on 11/01/2011 5:59:06 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: nuconvert
The term "false claims" should be included in every discussion about this trumped up attack on Hermain Cain.

No arrow formed against him will prosper.

33 posted on 11/01/2011 5:59:52 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: sickoflibs
Then (in response) you got two interviews by Cain that appear to contradict each other (see above), and the RINO s calling him a liar. And Democrats just watching and enjoying.

I thought that Cain at first might not remember or be aware of a settlement, but after the media got involved, he looked at the facts again and discovered that there was a settlement. But if that was the case, Cain did not explain that very well.

Compare this to the media's and left's point of view about Clinton and John Edwards.

34 posted on 11/01/2011 5:59:54 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: nuconvert

“”my local news reported it as ‘sexual misconduct’, not ‘sexual harrassment’””

During Greta’s interview with Herman last night, the scroll read “abuse” - the word sexual didn’t appear but even using “abuse” was disgusting!!


35 posted on 11/01/2011 6:00:20 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Sacajaweau
I see you are still hanging around here practicing Romneybot SOP.

In every campaign he has ever been in Romney pays his campaign stooges to pretend to not be associated with his camp while racing round pushing every possible smear job against his opponents they can.

This campaign will be no different.

The Romneybots will never actually posting any for their candidate, they will instead merely spend all their time lying about Romney's foes.

37 posted on 11/01/2011 6:02:13 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: basil
The mistake was that the Cain organizers are new to this game, and weren’t fully prepared to handle the whole thing.

A fair assessment, and the Cain staffers need to hone up on their rapid response capabilities, and Cain needs to learn to keep his mouth shut until he has the whole story, something he failed to do on the n-head issue as one example. He does need to make the transition from radio show mindset to front-runner mindset in a hurry - you just can't shoot off your mouth without gathering all the facts when you are the front running and an army of hacks is nipping at your heels, just looking for any opportunity to trip you up.

38 posted on 11/01/2011 6:02:28 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: lbryce

B..B..But...his donations DOUBLED yesterday amidst all the accusations.

I think the NYT is overstating “Damage Control”.

The Truth will set you free.


39 posted on 11/01/2011 6:03:49 AM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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No Romney troll. Merely pretends to be a Perrybot so it is a 2 fer. She trashes both camps with her scumbag politic tactics on behalf of her paymaster Romney.

Standard Romney Campaign SOP.

40 posted on 11/01/2011 6:04:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: nuconvert

Thanks, nuconvert. After your post, I went online and tried to read the definitions and differences (I think I may have confused myself even more). From what I gathered, Sexual misconduct is defined as the wrongful, improper conduct that is motivated by the intentional purpose and/or with no regard to their action. It doesn’t always offend or affect others in the workplace. (it gave examples of a teacher having consensual sex with a student, or a boss having an affair with his secretary). Harassment related to a wide variety of behaviors. These behaviors are found to be threatening and disturbing. *** I have the feeling these definitions are over-simplified IMHO.


41 posted on 11/01/2011 6:07:15 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: yetidog

“”He was on Greta last night. She is a lawyer and very good at interrogation and asking questions””

She did do a good job. Some of the questions made me uncomfortable but Herman handled them all with a lot of integrity and poise. I couldn’t help but wonder if she would have been that insistent with a dem. I have no reason to believe she wouldn’t but she didn’t let any answer just dangle there - she kept after him until she was satisfied he’d answered the question. Good tact. I didn’t have any problem believing that he related exactly what he was able to recall.


42 posted on 11/01/2011 6:07:43 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: dirtboy
A fair assessment, and the Cain staffers need to hone up on their rapid response capabilities, and Cain needs to learn to keep his mouth shut until he has the whole story, something he failed to do on the n-head issue as one example.

I agree. He needs to be prepared and on message. I highly doubt the Politico showed their cards. They are just waiting on Cain to say something they can prove inaccurate. That's not saying they have anything damaging on him, but just want to trip him up.

I won't jump on the kneecapping campaign right now. Cain did that to Perry on the rock, which pissed me off to no end. However, I like Cain, and I hope that the story can be put behind him. I also hope this is a lesson learned on shooting from the hip on issues that he is not fully briefed.

43 posted on 11/01/2011 6:08:17 AM PDT by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: nuconvert

“... talking about possible names for her baby... Cain suggested Herman”.

Are you SERIOUS?! Is that the other case? Well, then.. I can rightfully “claim” that I have been harassed/misconduct.. whatever. Each time that I was expecting a child.. people offered names all the time! I interpreted it as “involvement” not as a wrongful deed. Sheesh!


44 posted on 11/01/2011 6:12:51 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: dirtboy
I certainly agree. The whole thing has just exploded too quickly—and I just have no doubt that the Cain team simply was not prepared..........

There is no one I know that could have their life examined like someone running for president, and not have some years ago event turn up that would be embarrassing

45 posted on 11/01/2011 6:14:34 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: All
I mentioned Goldwater above, my memory of election 1964 and how liberals act when they feeeeeeeeeeeel threatened. Well establishment Republicans act the same way.

Nelson Rockefeller according to Stuart Spencer (Rockefeller's public relations head) said, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race."

46 posted on 11/01/2011 6:16:30 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: cuban leaf

“”But in an interview with Greta Van Susteren of the Fox News Channel shown Monday night, he acknowledged that in at least one case “there was some sort of settlement or termination,” worth “maybe three months’ salary.”—

This is a weird statement. Why the word “but”?””
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
WHERE did Herman use the word “but”?


47 posted on 11/01/2011 6:16:50 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: lbryce

The woman probably didn’t speak English and thought he was saying “You have to be this tall to ride.”
Seriously now, in the pre-PC era, they’d have laughed her out of the company for making such a complaint.


48 posted on 11/01/2011 6:20:43 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (I believe in opinions on opinion forums, but you are free to disagree about that.)
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To: lbryce

Political correctness will be the death of this country....with diversity coming in a close second.

Such B.S.

ANYONE can make a claim as to sexual harrassment, “uncomfortable” or hostile work environment, etc...and get away with it...and also get paid for it. When a company settles, the outcome haunts the individual for years....as we see hear.

Those women would never have survived the machine shops and assembly areas I used to work in the ‘80’s. Not saying that the men were neanderthals...but they certainly wrren’t having this “PC-ness” crammed down our throats back then, either...but it was starting...

By the way, what ever became of the women working in the hostile 0bama WH?


49 posted on 11/01/2011 6:22:00 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: basil
...There is no one I know that could have their life examined like someone running for president, and not have some years ago event turn up that would be embarrassing...

To think that he only had 2 complaints filed against him for statements he made when he has been a boss or manager for so long is really amazing to me (that is, in the current victim centric, spring-loaded to be offended, environment). He literally had thousands of people working for him, and he would have had some people looking to extract something from the company.

He has been under the media microscope for only a few weeks and we know more about him than we have yet to learn about Obama.

50 posted on 11/01/2011 6:25:25 AM PDT by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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