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Obama's Charity-Tax Plan Sounds Good to Some (Bush speechwriter praises Hussein)
The Jewish Daily Forward ^ | 10/25/11 | Noam Neusner

Posted on 11/01/2011 6:57:04 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat

President Obama is getting precious little credit for his policy heroism these days. But here is one conservative ready to applaud the president for an idea whose time has come.

Let’s tax charity. Absolutely. The president, in his plan to bring down the deficit, said that he wanted to bring down the deduction for charitable giving to a maximum of 28% on each dollar. That would be a big deal. Right now, high-income donors in the top two brackets can write off far more on their taxes — 33% and 35%, respectively. Obama’s proposal amounts to a massive tax increase on charitable giving.

Not surprising, nonprofits — including the entire Jewish communal world — are upset about this. Their biggest donors would see a 20% cut in the value of a charitably given dollar. As the president would say, this isn’t politics, it’s math: If a wealthy donor gives $1 now, he saves himself 35 cents in taxes he would otherwise owe, with no limit to the savings. Under the Obama plan, this same wealthy donor would save himself only 28 cents in taxes. Not bad, but if you compound that difference over, say, $1 million, that is some serious coin: $70,000.

Nonprofits recognize that this will hollow out their annual fundraising efforts, but this is where Obama can be equal to his rhetoric about doing the right thing for the country, even when it hurts him politically. This would infuriate even Warren Buffett, who has magnanimously offered to pay more in income taxes even though he actively (and legally) shelters much of his wealth from taxes by donating it to charity — all the while getting a tax break unavailable to his assistant.

I wish the president would show that spine he had during the health care reform debate and say: “You know what? I don’t care if this hurts Warren Buffett. There comes a time where rich people simply don’t need more incentives to give their money away. If they need an extra 7% write-off to loosen up their charitable dollars, maybe they shouldn’t donate, after all.” To his conservative critics, he might even point out that it’s inherently un-conservative for the government to play such an unhealthy role incentivizing behavior that individuals should undertake on their own accord.

Ultimately, this isn’t really about the role of the government in charitable decisions; it’s about the deficit. The government is carrying $14 trillion in debt — as much as our annual economic output as a nation. If we need some low-hanging revenue to pluck, taxing charitable giving seems to be the most obvious place to look.

And while we are at it, let’s take a closer look at the charities and nonprofits themselves. They operate as nonprofits, so they avoid capital gains and taxes on their businesses, buildings, land holdings, cash, equities, bonds, and other property. They pay lower rates on mail service. They hold fancy parties. They spend money on advertising, marketing and, yes, speechwriters like me. They do virtually everything that large companies do — but they don’t pay taxes like corporations do.

Forget tax breaks for wealthy donors; the charities themselves are where the real money is. Just talk to any mayor of any decent-sized city in America — they all would love to tax charities. Consider New York City. Its two biggest landowners are the Catholic Church and Columbia University. Neither pays property taxes. They use the roads. They use the police. Why should they get a break on paying their fair share?

And then we can talk about those charitable endowments. Endowments never pay a dime in capital gains taxes. It’s as if nonprofits operate in the financial marketplace with a 20% head start over every other investor when it comes to returns. And for what benefit? Most endowments disgorge a puny share of their total assets each year to support actual charitable work. The rest is hoarded.

This isn’t just about tax fairness, it’s also about macroeconomics. Today, economists worry that the mortgage interest tax deduction has played a major role in the creation of the housing bubble that just popped. They’re right: If you can borrow money tax-free, you’re more likely to borrow more than is prudent.

The same is true for charitable giving. I don’t doubt that many nonprofits do great work, but do we over-invest in them? I wonder what it means that America’s fastest-growing sectors — health care and education — are dominated by nonprofits. Do these institutions contribute to our national vibrancy and prosperity the same way a profit-focused private sector does? I don’t think so. As a nation, we have a tax code that is very good at encouraging people to give away money. But we are forgetting how to make it.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: taxes
I really wanted to think this is satire, but no indication is given to indicate such intent.

Apparently this guy thinks government can do a better job with money than charities.

Sickening, ain't it? He calls himself a "conservative". Whatta laff.

1 posted on 11/01/2011 6:57:09 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
This clown is as "conservative" as Bernie Sanders. Hey einstein--why don't you tax the state governments on their revenues as well? Now there's some "real coin."

F*ing idiot.

2 posted on 11/01/2011 7:01:28 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Ultimately, this isn’t really about the role of the government in charitable decisions; it’s about the deficit. The government is carrying $14 trillion in debt — as much as our annual economic output as a nation. If we need some low-hanging revenue to pluck, taxing charitable giving seems to be the most obvious place to look.

How about we cut some MF'ing spending, you beltway losers. We don't need more revenue, we need to zero out about 2/3rds of the government.

I guarantee more damage will be done to actual people with these charitable cuts than with the cut of every single government handout combined.

3 posted on 11/01/2011 7:04:00 PM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Forget tax breaks for wealthy donors; the charities themselves are where the real money is. Just talk to any mayor of any decent-sized city in America — they all would love to tax charities. Consider New York City. Its two biggest landowners are the Catholic Church and Columbia University. Neither pays property taxes. They use the roads. They use the police. Why should they get a break on paying their fair share?

French Revolution anyone?

Sick people

4 posted on 11/01/2011 7:16:53 PM PDT by frogjerk (Today is already the tomorrow which the bad economist yesterday urged us to ignore. - HAZLITT)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Ditto to what you said.


5 posted on 11/01/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: frogjerk

................Just talk to any mayor of any decent-sized city in America — they all would love to tax charities.............

Providence RI came up with an interesting compromise about a decade ago.
With Brown University; RI School of Design; Johnson and Wales College; Providence College, among many others, not to mention churches, hospitals, and other non-profits, the non-profits came to an agreement with the city to pay their fair share of police, fire, sewage, and other common infrastructure costs by reimbursing the city based on a sq./ft., population, etc. formula.

It appears to have worked well for Providence - the schools continue to thrive, and Providence is earning some quid for hosting these non-profits. Yet Providence, and all of RI, remains one of the highest taxed states in the union.


6 posted on 11/01/2011 8:02:17 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

it would pretty much kill many charities who are already seeing a drop off because of this economy.


7 posted on 11/01/2011 9:18:14 PM PDT by ari-freedom ("Perry: good governor. Romney: Good hair."-Herman Cain)
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To: Noob1999
It appears to have worked well for Providence - the schools continue to thrive, and Providence is earning some quid for hosting these non-profits. Yet Providence, and all of RI, remains one of the highest taxed states in the union.

So then it didn't work.

8 posted on 11/02/2011 6:39:25 AM PDT by frogjerk (Today is already the tomorrow which the bad economist yesterday urged us to ignore. - HAZLITT)
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