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Charges against Cain Cannot Be Ignored [American Thinker]
American Thinker ^ | November 03, 2011 | Dean Stephens

Posted on 11/03/2011 4:36:29 AM PDT by RobinMasters

Herman Cain supporters have accepted his narrative that he is an American success story. The question is, just how much of that "success" did he earn on his own? And is it really the Horatio Alger story we are led to believe?

During the late '70s and the '80s, Herman Cain was an employee of big consumer product corporations, starting with Coca Cola. He was not an entrepreneur. He didn't take any risks with his own capital. Cain went from an entry-level analyst position to top management in one decade. He was made what would normally be called a regional manager by Burger King. He was then made manager of a small subsidiary by Pillsbury. It is distasteful to ask, but would Cain's rocket to the top have happened without the special treatment and considerations given him as a result of affirmative action? Many conservatives are convinced that Barack Obama's rise was fueled by racial preferences, so they cannot blink in the face of the same possibility working in Herman Cain's favor.

Affirmative action had recently become the law of the land. Big corporations were under pressure to prove they were complying. True conservatives have never accepted the premise of affirmative action -- that you can reach equality by suppressing the rights of others by government edict. Yet Herman Cain defended affirmative action in debates and on his campaign website in his 2004 campaign for senator.

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1 posted on 11/03/2011 4:36:31 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

I agree they cannot be ignored. But my reasoning goes both ways. I want to know if this is a witch hunt, a high tech lynching, or something else. It should be pretty easy to get to the bottom of it.


2 posted on 11/03/2011 4:38:01 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: RobinMasters

Dean Stephens is a libertarian who bashes the GOP at every opportunity.


3 posted on 11/03/2011 4:39:46 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: RobinMasters
If we can ignore “Rape” allegations against Bill Clinton, then we can ignore harassment allegations against Herman Cain.
4 posted on 11/03/2011 4:41:14 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: cuban leaf

—The question is, just how much of that “success” did he earn on his own?—

Um, nobody earns success on their own. Well, I guess that depends on the success. If you get a great job, you have help. Everyone does. Nobody makes it on their own except for the occasional Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump, who can run roughshod over others with impunity. But even they couldn’t at first.

But the success you have, in carrying out the job, is yours. Having the right parents, affirmative action, plugged in friends etc. may be the price of admission, but after that, you rise or fall on your own merit.

His success or failure is something he takes all responsibility and credit for.


5 posted on 11/03/2011 4:41:41 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

And of it turns out that any other Republican candidate has anything to do with this travesty, their campaign needs to be terminated by the Party!


6 posted on 11/03/2011 4:42:14 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: RobinMasters
Charges against Cain Cannot Be Ignored

Ignored? No. Dismissed as irrelevant to his qualifications to be President? Yes.

7 posted on 11/03/2011 4:42:35 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: RobinMasters

The roles of backstabbers Rove and Romney cannot be ignored.

After their destroying Gov. Palin, THIS IS IT FOR THE GOP
unless they target the leaker and apply accountability.


8 posted on 11/03/2011 4:43:08 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: RobinMasters

What “charges”? So far we have only unsourced allegations.


9 posted on 11/03/2011 4:45:23 AM PDT by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: RobinMasters

“Charges against Cain can’t be ignored”

Does it look like they’re being ignored?


10 posted on 11/03/2011 4:47:37 AM PDT by frposty (I'm a simpleton)
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To: RobinMasters

We’re NOT ignoring those charges.

Rather we are using them as OUR WAY of responding to what you guys did to Clarence Thomas. This is PAYBACK and Cain’s support and fund raising has only INCREASED because of it.


11 posted on 11/03/2011 4:47:47 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: vette6387

—And of it turns out that any other Republican candidate has anything to do with this travesty, their campaign needs to be terminated by the Party!—

I agree, though I think proving something like that is virtually impossible.


12 posted on 11/03/2011 4:49:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Falcon4.0

And to go further, it’s only fair that these female accusers be demonized by the MSM aw Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey, (to name a few) were.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 4:52:47 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: RobinMasters
THANK GOD some voices of reason are beginning to ask serious questions about Herman Cain!!!!!

Cain's supporters on FreeRepublic are, frankly, scary. They are guilty of the same rose-colored, White Guilt driven mania that put Obama in the White House.

Herman Cain is a bullsh!t artist. A snake oil salesman who sells a fairy tale about a mythical figure named Herman Cain.

For the sake of our Country, people, please WAKE UP about Herman Cain!

14 posted on 11/03/2011 4:52:55 AM PDT by sklar
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To: RobinMasters

What has the fact he put none of his own capital into a business have to do with with his success in turning the business around?

He is a proved and very successful manager and made his money compounding success after success.


15 posted on 11/03/2011 4:54:15 AM PDT by 101voodoo
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To: RobinMasters

What a stupid article.

He worked his way up the corporate ladder and the purchased Godfather’s.

Yeah, that’s not success.

Idiot.


16 posted on 11/03/2011 4:55:12 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Diogenesis

The GOP destroyed Palin? Is that the new and approved excuse for her?


17 posted on 11/03/2011 4:59:21 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: RobinMasters
This whole discussion is astonishingly irrelevant. Cain's appeal is his unapologetic pro-American philosophy not whether he "made it on his own" or meets some arbitrary standard of purity.

As much as I love this country, I find its short memory infuriating. It seems like yesterday that when a woman came forward on national tv and accused a sitting president of forcible rape (put some ice on that) it was met with total indiference. Now you expect me to get worked up about anonymous whispers about vague allegations of improper gestures and feeling uncomfortable?

Are you serious?

18 posted on 11/03/2011 4:59:56 AM PDT by stormhill
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To: RobinMasters
No but they should also not be mindlessly regurgitated by GOPbots hoping it will help their candidate of choice.

Rather then being stooges and helping spread the smear, people like this author should be addressing the facts

Notice the trend here?

No evidence, none facts, no paper trail. No evidence at all. Merely a string of anonymous sources making accusations.

The accusations are then “validated” by more hear say accusations by third party sources linked to other GOP campaigns. Most notably third party sources specifically tied to Perry's campaign.

The GOP machine better buy a clue. This stupidity on their part may just buy them a Tea Party presidential candidate in 2012.

19 posted on 11/03/2011 5:00:17 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: RobinMasters

Nice job with the continuation of the lynching people.
No need for the libtard media to do such, you all are doing such a fine job for them already.

Be thankful for your efforts when the AnointedIdiot is re-elected, kkthxIdiots. =.=


20 posted on 11/03/2011 5:00:21 AM PDT by cranked
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To: sklar
No they are not. There is not one serious question in you hysteric emotion based tirade at Cain. Sorry smearbot, we see personal attack politics directed at Conservatives every day.

Your sort of gutter slime political attacks will not sell here

21 posted on 11/03/2011 5:02:10 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: sklar
Don't hold back,tell us how you really feel!

/sarc

CC

22 posted on 11/03/2011 5:02:31 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from a lack of wisdom.)
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To: GatorGirl
He worked his way up the corporate ladder and the purchased Godfather’s.

_________________________________________

Cain owned Godfather's Pizza? When did this happen?

23 posted on 11/03/2011 5:04:22 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I guess no candidate is perfect. But I will stack up these questions about Cain against Romney and Perry and day of the week and Cain comes out ahead.
24 posted on 11/03/2011 5:06:52 AM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: moose-matson

Don’t recall the exact date the deal was closed. Late 80s or early 90s.

His group bought Godfather’s from Pillsbury in a leveraged buyout.


25 posted on 11/03/2011 5:08:05 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: moose-matson

Don’t worry, nobody reads the article.


26 posted on 11/03/2011 5:08:59 AM PDT by livius
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To: sklar

I, for one, would like to comprehend all this enthusiasm for Herman Cain.

Is it that he’s really a capable guy, or is it just that he’s the leader in a weak field?

I just don’t see it.


27 posted on 11/03/2011 5:09:20 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: moose-matson
Godfather's was founded in Omaha, Nebraska, in 1973.[2] In the early 1970's, William Theisen owned a beer parlor named Wild Willie's, next to a pizza restaurant named Godfather. Theisen bought out the pizza parlor and the name in 1974 and sold his first franchise.[3] Theisen sold the company to Pillsbury in the mid-1980s and stepped down from actively managing the company. In 1986, Pillsbury named Herman Cain, CEO and President of the brand. Cain in turn led a group to purchase the Godfather's brand from Pillsbury, which they did by the beginning of 1990 in a deal reported to be $100 million. It was reported to be the fifth largest pizza chain in the United States at the time.[4] Cain stepped down from his position as CEO and President in 2002. According to the company's official website, as of June 14, 2011, the chain has 622 locations in 39 U.S. states.[5] You may wake up for your stupor anytime now.
28 posted on 11/03/2011 5:10:25 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: GatorGirl

What was the name of his group? Did he own the “group”?


29 posted on 11/03/2011 5:10:58 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: RobinMasters
Yet Herman Cain defended affirmative action in debates and on his campaign website in his 2004 campaign for senator.

In the original article this sentence links to On the issues where Cain says:

My standard answer was, "It depends on what you mean by the term 'affirmative action'." That usually caused blank stares from the reporters and allowed me to turn the focus back on the big issues.

In the real world, the individuals who usually rise to the top of their chosen professions and achieve their dreams are the most talented and hardest working. In the political world, success is too often determined by political tenure, timing and factors none of us can control, such as our race, ethnicity or sex.

It appears the author did not bother to read the link he took the time to post in his article.

30 posted on 11/03/2011 5:12:57 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
The MSM has high-tech lynching down to an art today.


31 posted on 11/03/2011 5:18:43 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RobinMasters

There are no charges moron ... they are allegations ... get a clue. And yes, the allegations CAN be ignored.


32 posted on 11/03/2011 5:22:19 AM PDT by dartuser ("If you are ... what you were ... then you're not.")
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To: RobinMasters
Can has to deal with the charges better than he has & it mega-stupid for him to try to blame his problem on another campaign.

Especially without solid evidence.

With that said the charges against him strike one as being more shake-downs than bad behavior on his part.

33 posted on 11/03/2011 5:25:21 AM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: sklar
Herman Cain is a bullsh!t artist. A snake oil salesman who sells a fairy tale about a mythical figure named Herman Cain.

99.99% of today's politicians are bullshit artists. And their snake oil is the D or R on their sleeve.

34 posted on 11/03/2011 5:26:07 AM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: RobinMasters

I am not on the Herman Cane bandwagon—yet.

But the hypocrisy shown in asking how Herman Cain became a success while ignoring the record of the dick in Washington’s White House is driving me there.

No one is asking for Obama school records, his college records, his passport records, his Social Security records.


35 posted on 11/03/2011 5:29:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: dartuser

Nobody claims Caine has actually ever “scored” have they.?


36 posted on 11/03/2011 5:31:04 AM PDT by Broker (Beware of Community Organizer in Chief!)
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To: RobinMasters
I have no problem with thorough scrutiny of Herman Cain, his background, qualifications and sexual harassment allegations.

The same examination should be made of the demonRAT candidate for President, because we already know more about Herman Cain than we do about barry sorento, aka, barack hussien obama, for example date and place of birth, name of biological parents, the fact that one has a legitimate Social Security number, and that's just the beginning.

When/if did barry stop using coke? Has barry stopped homosexual trysts or does he and the first linebacker have threesomes?

Riddle me that Batman.

37 posted on 11/03/2011 5:31:48 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the Terrorists Savages)
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To: sklar

Amen! And the use of the race card in his defense has been disgusting and an embarassment.


38 posted on 11/03/2011 5:36:03 AM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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To: sklar

I know Palin hurt you, but lashing out at others is not the answer.


39 posted on 11/03/2011 5:37:34 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Cain for President - Because I like the content of his character)
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To: Travis McGee
Honestly, Can someone post Barack. H. Obama's resume?

1. The story is he was born to a white Communist Mother and a black father from Kenya.

The its a fill in the blank until Occidental College to Columbia and then Harvard Law School.

Do we know for sure if his parents were actually legally married?

Why was his father and mother in Hawaii? Jobs? Schooling?

He I think the story goes he moved with his mother to Indonesia and enrolled in now what the media calls a Catholic school where none of the Catholic teaching seem to take hold like the teaching of a young Muslim shows in Obama.

His whole adult life is trying to gain power through social Justice not economics. Maybe that is why we have a dying economy. His focus has been the white power elite owes the minorities a living for generations to come.

Even though LBJ fixed that in the 1960's. but to Obama that wasn't enough. He is worst than the Manchurian candidate.

You think he cares about so called Climate change? nope

Just the Social Justice of barring white Americans from prospering from the abundance of the most energy in the world.

40 posted on 11/03/2011 5:39:09 AM PDT by scooby321
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To: mazda77
Stupor? Asking questions about a candidate is indicative of being in a stupor?

I remember lurking here and admiring the maturity of the discussions. Boy have things changed.

41 posted on 11/03/2011 5:54:27 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: Jack Hammer

I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I don’t think that he should be treated differently because he’s black and I don’t like when conservatives let him play the race card. People don’t like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just don’t excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still don’t know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.


42 posted on 11/03/2011 5:55:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jack Hammer

“I, for one, would like to comprehend all this enthusiasm for Herman Cain.

Is it that he’s really a capable guy, or is it just that he’s the leader in a weak field?

I just don’t see it.”

If you really do want to understand it, check out his Red Eye interview.

At about 5:40 minutes into it, he starts talking about working as a rocket ballistics analyst as a mathematician for the navy.
He goes on to talk about the Aegis warships.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04gczq4CiAA

Even on a comedy show he displays his wisdom and gravitas.

He’s been a supporter of the fair tax for years, to take power away from DC, and give it back to the people.

Our founders gave us liberty, the politicians stole it with the 16th amendment.

Watch a video of Herman’s speech in AZ -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-RQ4EV8TU

and maybe you’ll begin to get a grasp of the depth of the man’s character.

If you watch those and still don’t understand, let me know, please.


43 posted on 11/03/2011 6:01:38 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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To: moose-matson

Asking a question that you could easily find the answer to, and is widely know, is not that of a person who really wants to know, but to interject the question of questioning the veracity of the point.

It took me all of 22 seconds to find the information for myself so why should we not question your intent of asking such a simple answerable question in the first pace. It just distracts and/or redirects the argument of original question.


44 posted on 11/03/2011 6:01:47 AM PDT by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: RobinMasters
It is distasteful to ask, but would Cain's rocket to the top have happened without the special treatment and considerations given him as a result of affirmative action?

This is why I hate affirmative action and consider it harmful to blacks. If you climb to the top on merit, ignorant people will always dismiss you and say "well, he didn't really earn it. without affirmative action he'd be nothing". It institutionalizes a hidden form of racism, endorsed and approved by the left.

45 posted on 11/03/2011 6:06:47 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: mazda77

Why should Cain and his supporters object to the scrutiny? If he can’t take the knocks, he has no business being in this race. If he can’t handle a simple controversy, how he is going to handle a major crisis? Sure he is being tested. But I want to find out now if he’s up to the pressures rather than later when he’s in the Oval Office. I think what’s happening is a very good thing indeed.


46 posted on 11/03/2011 6:06:49 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: cuban leaf
Nobody makes it on their own except for the occasional Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump

Bill Gates's mom knew IBM's CEO through her work as the head of a United Way committee. This was how a whale like IBM came to adopt an operating system for its PC that was written (actually, mainly borrowed and adapted) by a minnow like Microsoft. Donald Trump's dad gave him $20m as seed money (later on, Fred Trump left $400m when he died, contributing further to the Donald's net worth). Now Steve Jobs was without a doubt self-made, and I'm the opposite of an Apple fan.

47 posted on 11/03/2011 6:07:00 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: eeriegeno
Therein lies the problem. Our government has become organized crime thanks to the Income Tax and, therefore, attracts crook, flim-flam artists and bamboozelers.

We have no one to blame but ourselves - at least the progressive portion. Present company excepted.

48 posted on 11/03/2011 6:08:17 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Hey, Hippie...Occupy a LIFE!)
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To: Falcon4.0

Not just “rape allegations”,

but an actual rape victim that came forth to tell her entirely believable account, along with corroborating witnesses after the fact.


49 posted on 11/03/2011 6:08:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: goldstategop

“I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I don’t think that he should be treated differently because he’s black and I don’t like when conservatives let him play the race card. People don’t like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just don’t excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still don’t know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.

I think he is our Ronald Reagan.

Herman Cain’s positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.

On the Gallup results:

Rick Perry’s image is suffering, with his Positive Intensity Score among Republicans familiar with him down to 15, and below 20 for the first time. Meanwhile, Herman Cain’s score is now 30, the highest for any candidate this year.

Herman’s has been as high as 34.

Romney’s is only 13 - I don’t really expect that to get much higher, do you :)


50 posted on 11/03/2011 6:10:43 AM PDT by redinIllinois (Pro-life, accountant, gun-totin' grandma - multi issue voter)
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