Skip to comments.Charges against Cain Cannot Be Ignored [American Thinker]
Posted on 11/03/2011 4:36:29 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Herman Cain supporters have accepted his narrative that he is an American success story. The question is, just how much of that "success" did he earn on his own? And is it really the Horatio Alger story we are led to believe?
During the late '70s and the '80s, Herman Cain was an employee of big consumer product corporations, starting with Coca Cola. He was not an entrepreneur. He didn't take any risks with his own capital. Cain went from an entry-level analyst position to top management in one decade. He was made what would normally be called a regional manager by Burger King. He was then made manager of a small subsidiary by Pillsbury. It is distasteful to ask, but would Cain's rocket to the top have happened without the special treatment and considerations given him as a result of affirmative action? Many conservatives are convinced that Barack Obama's rise was fueled by racial preferences, so they cannot blink in the face of the same possibility working in Herman Cain's favor.
Affirmative action had recently become the law of the land. Big corporations were under pressure to prove they were complying. True conservatives have never accepted the premise of affirmative action -- that you can reach equality by suppressing the rights of others by government edict. Yet Herman Cain defended affirmative action in debates and on his campaign website in his 2004 campaign for senator.
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I agree they cannot be ignored. But my reasoning goes both ways. I want to know if this is a witch hunt, a high tech lynching, or something else. It should be pretty easy to get to the bottom of it.
Dean Stephens is a libertarian who bashes the GOP at every opportunity.
—The question is, just how much of that “success” did he earn on his own?—
Um, nobody earns success on their own. Well, I guess that depends on the success. If you get a great job, you have help. Everyone does. Nobody makes it on their own except for the occasional Bill Gates, Steve Jobs or Donald Trump, who can run roughshod over others with impunity. But even they couldn’t at first.
But the success you have, in carrying out the job, is yours. Having the right parents, affirmative action, plugged in friends etc. may be the price of admission, but after that, you rise or fall on your own merit.
His success or failure is something he takes all responsibility and credit for.
And of it turns out that any other Republican candidate has anything to do with this travesty, their campaign needs to be terminated by the Party!
Ignored? No. Dismissed as irrelevant to his qualifications to be President? Yes.
The roles of backstabbers Rove and Romney cannot be ignored.
After their destroying Gov. Palin, THIS IS IT FOR THE GOP
unless they target the leaker and apply accountability.
What “charges”? So far we have only unsourced allegations.
“Charges against Cain can’t be ignored”
Does it look like they’re being ignored?
We’re NOT ignoring those charges.
Rather we are using them as OUR WAY of responding to what you guys did to Clarence Thomas. This is PAYBACK and Cain’s support and fund raising has only INCREASED because of it.
—And of it turns out that any other Republican candidate has anything to do with this travesty, their campaign needs to be terminated by the Party!—
I agree, though I think proving something like that is virtually impossible.
And to go further, it’s only fair that these female accusers be demonized by the MSM aw Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Broderick, Kathleen Willey, (to name a few) were.
Cain's supporters on FreeRepublic are, frankly, scary. They are guilty of the same rose-colored, White Guilt driven mania that put Obama in the White House.
Herman Cain is a bullsh!t artist. A snake oil salesman who sells a fairy tale about a mythical figure named Herman Cain.
For the sake of our Country, people, please WAKE UP about Herman Cain!
What has the fact he put none of his own capital into a business have to do with with his success in turning the business around?
He is a proved and very successful manager and made his money compounding success after success.
What a stupid article.
He worked his way up the corporate ladder and the purchased Godfather’s.
Yeah, that’s not success.
The GOP destroyed Palin? Is that the new and approved excuse for her?
As much as I love this country, I find its short memory infuriating. It seems like yesterday that when a woman came forward on national tv and accused a sitting president of forcible rape (put some ice on that) it was met with total indiference. Now you expect me to get worked up about anonymous whispers about vague allegations of improper gestures and feeling uncomfortable?
Are you serious?
Rather then being stooges and helping spread the smear, people like this author should be addressing the facts
Notice the trend here?
No evidence, none facts, no paper trail. No evidence at all. Merely a string of anonymous sources making accusations.
The accusations are then “validated” by more hear say accusations by third party sources linked to other GOP campaigns. Most notably third party sources specifically tied to Perry's campaign.
The GOP machine better buy a clue. This stupidity on their part may just buy them a Tea Party presidential candidate in 2012.
Nice job with the continuation of the lynching people.
No need for the libtard media to do such, you all are doing such a fine job for them already.
Be thankful for your efforts when the AnointedIdiot is re-elected, kkthxIdiots. =.=
Your sort of gutter slime political attacks will not sell here
Cain owned Godfather's Pizza? When did this happen?
Don’t recall the exact date the deal was closed. Late 80s or early 90s.
His group bought Godfather’s from Pillsbury in a leveraged buyout.
Don’t worry, nobody reads the article.
I, for one, would like to comprehend all this enthusiasm for Herman Cain.
Is it that he’s really a capable guy, or is it just that he’s the leader in a weak field?
I just don’t see it.
What was the name of his group? Did he own the “group”?
In the original article this sentence links to On the issues where Cain says:
My standard answer was, "It depends on what you mean by the term 'affirmative action'." That usually caused blank stares from the reporters and allowed me to turn the focus back on the big issues.
In the real world, the individuals who usually rise to the top of their chosen professions and achieve their dreams are the most talented and hardest working. In the political world, success is too often determined by political tenure, timing and factors none of us can control, such as our race, ethnicity or sex.
It appears the author did not bother to read the link he took the time to post in his article.
There are no charges moron ... they are allegations ... get a clue. And yes, the allegations CAN be ignored.
Especially without solid evidence.
With that said the charges against him strike one as being more shake-downs than bad behavior on his part.
99.99% of today's politicians are bullshit artists. And their snake oil is the D or R on their sleeve.
I am not on the Herman Cane bandwagon—yet.
But the hypocrisy shown in asking how Herman Cain became a success while ignoring the record of the dick in Washington’s White House is driving me there.
No one is asking for Obama school records, his college records, his passport records, his Social Security records.
Nobody claims Caine has actually ever “scored” have they.?
The same examination should be made of the demonRAT candidate for President, because we already know more about Herman Cain than we do about barry sorento, aka, barack hussien obama, for example date and place of birth, name of biological parents, the fact that one has a legitimate Social Security number, and that's just the beginning.
When/if did barry stop using coke? Has barry stopped homosexual trysts or does he and the first linebacker have threesomes?
Riddle me that Batman.
Amen! And the use of the race card in his defense has been disgusting and an embarassment.
I know Palin hurt you, but lashing out at others is not the answer.
1. The story is he was born to a white Communist Mother and a black father from Kenya.
The its a fill in the blank until Occidental College to Columbia and then Harvard Law School.
Do we know for sure if his parents were actually legally married?
Why was his father and mother in Hawaii? Jobs? Schooling?
He I think the story goes he moved with his mother to Indonesia and enrolled in now what the media calls a Catholic school where none of the Catholic teaching seem to take hold like the teaching of a young Muslim shows in Obama.
His whole adult life is trying to gain power through social Justice not economics. Maybe that is why we have a dying economy. His focus has been the white power elite owes the minorities a living for generations to come.
Even though LBJ fixed that in the 1960's. but to Obama that wasn't enough. He is worst than the Manchurian candidate.
You think he cares about so called Climate change? nope
Just the Social Justice of barring white Americans from prospering from the abundance of the most energy in the world.
I remember lurking here and admiring the maturity of the discussions. Boy have things changed.
I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I don’t think that he should be treated differently because he’s black and I don’t like when conservatives let him play the race card. People don’t like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just don’t excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still don’t know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.
“I, for one, would like to comprehend all this enthusiasm for Herman Cain.
Is it that hes really a capable guy, or is it just that hes the leader in a weak field?
I just dont see it.”
If you really do want to understand it, check out his Red Eye interview.
At about 5:40 minutes into it, he starts talking about working as a rocket ballistics analyst as a mathematician for the navy.
He goes on to talk about the Aegis warships.
Even on a comedy show he displays his wisdom and gravitas.
He’s been a supporter of the fair tax for years, to take power away from DC, and give it back to the people.
Our founders gave us liberty, the politicians stole it with the 16th amendment.
Watch a video of Hermans speech in AZ -
and maybe you’ll begin to get a grasp of the depth of the man’s character.
If you watch those and still don’t understand, let me know, please.
Asking a question that you could easily find the answer to, and is widely know, is not that of a person who really wants to know, but to interject the question of questioning the veracity of the point.
It took me all of 22 seconds to find the information for myself so why should we not question your intent of asking such a simple answerable question in the first pace. It just distracts and/or redirects the argument of original question.
This is why I hate affirmative action and consider it harmful to blacks. If you climb to the top on merit, ignorant people will always dismiss you and say "well, he didn't really earn it. without affirmative action he'd be nothing". It institutionalizes a hidden form of racism, endorsed and approved by the left.
Why should Cain and his supporters object to the scrutiny? If he can’t take the knocks, he has no business being in this race. If he can’t handle a simple controversy, how he is going to handle a major crisis? Sure he is being tested. But I want to find out now if he’s up to the pressures rather than later when he’s in the Oval Office. I think what’s happening is a very good thing indeed.
Bill Gates's mom knew IBM's CEO through her work as the head of a United Way committee. This was how a whale like IBM came to adopt an operating system for its PC that was written (actually, mainly borrowed and adapted) by a minnow like Microsoft. Donald Trump's dad gave him $20m as seed money (later on, Fred Trump left $400m when he died, contributing further to the Donald's net worth). Now Steve Jobs was without a doubt self-made, and I'm the opposite of an Apple fan.
We have no one to blame but ourselves - at least the progressive portion. Present company excepted.
Not just “rape allegations”,
but an actual rape victim that came forth to tell her entirely believable account, along with corroborating witnesses after the fact.
“I think its partly racial and secondly there is no Ronald Reagan out there. I dont think that he should be treated differently because hes black and I dont like when conservatives let him play the race card. People dont like Slick Willard but they may end up with a RINO because all the conservative candidates just dont excite them. Cain seems to be more the object of a recent crush than because people really like the candidate. Will he still be around in two months? Three? Its a political eternity to the caucuses and primaries and Cain could fade well before then - if not due to this scandal, then because he has been aggressively vetted and found wanting. We still dont know how strong a candidate he is. And his lack of preparedness to be President is not something to be brushed off lightly. Yes, he is getting more scrutiny than Obama. I welcome that scrutiny and in the end his fellow Americans will decide for themselves whether he should have the presidential nomination of the Republican Party and if fate should so decide, entrust him with the highest office in our land.
I think he is our Ronald Reagan.
Herman Cains positive intensity score has been the highest every week, until the week Rick Perry announced, and Perry got a little bump - then Herman was back on top the next.
On the Gallup results:
Rick Perrys image is suffering, with his Positive Intensity Score among Republicans familiar with him down to 15, and below 20 for the first time. Meanwhile, Herman Cains score is now 30, the highest for any candidate this year.
Herman’s has been as high as 34.
Romneys is only 13 - I dont really expect that to get much higher, do you :)