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PJM Sources Report Details of Alleged Cain Incident
PJMedia ^ | November 3, 2011 | Richard Pollock

Posted on 11/03/2011 10:04:50 AM PDT by bbernard

Adding to the ongoing Herman Cain sexual harassment controversy, two sources have now confirmed to PJ Media that a female employee of the National Restaurant Association told associates she had been brought by Mr. Cain to his Crystal City, Virginia residence where she alleged “he had taken advantage of me.”

One source, a male, told PJ Media:

Herman took advantage of seniority and power with a young woman. It was an abuse of power.

Implying that coming forward with the accusations was an ordeal for the young woman, the source also said:

Who do you believe, a CEO or a mid-level staffer? It was unsettling for her to make charges.

The name of the woman — who was in her early twenties at the time of the alleged incident — has been confirmed by PJ Media. We have chosen not to reveal her identity for reasons of discretion.

Both sources, one male and one female, worked at the time — mid-1990s — for the governmental affairs department of the National Restaurant Association, as did the woman.

(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; cainsexualharrass; cainslander; harrassment; herbcain; herman; hermancain; misogynist; pjm; sexual
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To: lodi90

—It really is shocking a charismatic and powerful man has been fooling around on his wife.—

What do you mean by that? Nobody has come forward. What should he own up to? Where is the evidence? There is not even a named claimant yet.


251 posted on 11/03/2011 11:17:10 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
But the corporate world is different. I don’t think Cain even had a say in it.

Most companies have insurance for this sort of thing and most insurance requires that they handle the claim from the outset. The company was not likely involved much.

252 posted on 11/03/2011 11:17:35 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: bbernard

A way to illuminate the ridiculousness of this nonsense is for every conservative woman in America to call her local radio station and newspaper and state that she was harassed by Herman Cain.


253 posted on 11/03/2011 11:17:59 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RightWingConspirator

I think I’ve heard this story. Didn’t the Captain end up marrying the Colonel, or am I confusing it with some other story?


254 posted on 11/03/2011 11:18:27 AM PDT by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: drierice

"I noticed several places in this thread where members quoted the article saying “she woke up in his bed.”

So I read the article just now and it says she spent the night there “and woke up.” Period. Nothing about a bed. Has the PJ site deleted the bed?

- Great catch!!

I had the original PJM article still open when I saw your comment, and it clearly said "woke up in his bed"... and when I refreshed it, "in his bed" was gone. That certainly change things.

255 posted on 11/03/2011 11:18:48 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: cuban leaf

“I’m waiting it out. If everything she says is true”

If you think about it, she didn’t say anything damaging. It’s just out there for people to draw their own conclusions... Some people will assume the worst and some won’t. You’ll never know the truth because there will be no deviance at this point.

So Cain get’s damaged either way. That’s how it works.


256 posted on 11/03/2011 11:19:46 AM PDT by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: ohioWfan
We don't know who they are...but we will soon, f'sure..

Read the comments on this thread. Most are dismissive of the women...assuming they're sluts..that's what I object to.

257 posted on 11/03/2011 11:19:46 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: luckybogey

—You forgot to include the most important part:

“woke up in his bed.”—

Didn’t see that in the article. Just that she woke up. In fact, the mention of a bed is conspicuous in its absence.


258 posted on 11/03/2011 11:21:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: caww

Even at face value though it is not to the level some are screaming. There was no sexual harassment in this story. If true, the worst thing Cain did was show lack of judgment in how he took care of a drunk employee. But you are right. I have a feeling there is even less once the truth comes out.


259 posted on 11/03/2011 11:21:12 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Scotswife

A person who allegedly once cheated on his wife can never sing about grace?


260 posted on 11/03/2011 11:21:34 AM PDT by Yaelle (Donate to Cain today to show the media they can't choose our candidate this time.)
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To: bbernard; Cincinatus' Wife; shield; casinva; smoothsailing

So, if we copied this thread and switched all the Cain references to Clinton, would it look anything similar to one of the left wing forums during the Clinton/Jones/Lewinsky scandals?

The twisting that some of us will do to defend our guy is incredible.

And we used to laugh at them for that.


261 posted on 11/03/2011 11:21:52 AM PDT by Chasaway
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To: chilepup
I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

First, at least one of these women is not anonymous, and I think it is bad PR to keep calling someone anonymous when you've fairly well described her before millions on national TV. Use the word “confidential” in her case. But, she is not anonymous.

Second, asking Cain to deny any physical contact is getting ahead of the pajama's media story about the woman who allegedly spent the night at his room. He has denied sexual harassment, but sexual harassment does not cover a consensual encounter. Consensual is not harassment. That doesn't mean she could report it and claim it to have been harassment, but that's the point. If he denies any physical contact of any form, then that covers any claim she might make.

262 posted on 11/03/2011 11:22:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: mnehring

Maybe I missed it, but has anyone reported where Mrs. Cain was during the alleged fun and games in DC?


263 posted on 11/03/2011 11:22:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: Captain Kirk

“What makes you think that it isn’t an open marriage?”

Personally, I assume marriages are closed unless told otherwise, as that’s the standard meaning of marriage.

“In any case, that is a personal matter between them IMHO.”

Not in mine. There’s the character issue, but nevermind that. With all the talk about privacy and do your own thing and blah, blah, blah the last few decades, we tend to forget that marriage is a very public thing. Perhaps the most public thing about most people. If you don’t want people to judge you for your sexual proclivities, you can have as much privacy as you can muster. But should they be discovered, don’t plead “Who cares?” after standing up in front of the community and pledging yourself to another.

Again, marriage doesn’t necessarily mean that. But most everyone thinks it does, and you should know that going in.


264 posted on 11/03/2011 11:22:40 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: bbernard
A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.

So she took her own taxi to Cain's apartment? Why?

265 posted on 11/03/2011 11:23:05 AM PDT by kevao
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To: kcvl

“Unless he inserted a cigar while under the desk in the oval office I don’t care! Clinton set a new standard whether the MSM wants to acknowledge it or not.”

Or unless he saw Paula Jones, dropped his drawers, and ordered her to “kiss it” (as Ann Coulter reminds us).

It’s almost hilarious that the MSM is so prudish when it comes to GOP candidates. Sexual indiscretion is a badge of honor within the Dem party, but they go all Church Lady when a conservative might have done something off color.


266 posted on 11/03/2011 11:23:11 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: ken5050
Considering how suspect this whole thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any women at all.

And if there are, my suspicion is that they are merely golddiggers.

btw, Rush is now talking about how shoddy and ridiculous this story is.

Be wary of believing anything you read or hear about Cain right now. This is classic character assassination.

267 posted on 11/03/2011 11:23:27 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Yaelle

he certainly can....my question is, how truthful is he being TODAY?

The accusations thrown at Perry were irresponsible.
He’s upset about character assassination? While he assassinates someone’s character?


268 posted on 11/03/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Qbert

269 posted on 11/03/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by luckybogey
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To: Brookhaven

They took out the word bed? Interesting.


270 posted on 11/03/2011 11:24:08 AM PDT by proud American in Canada (Go, Herman!)
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To: Longbow1969
BS, no one has any proof she was even in his apartment, RUSH takes this whole story apart, but what is interesting was a perrywinkle saying yesterday more was coming out today, wonder how she knew it.
271 posted on 11/03/2011 11:24:50 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Alternately: she slept with the boss, felt she didn't get enough value for her services and decided to cash in her sexual harassment chip.

Yeah, that's right, it's not harrassment, it's "just" adultry and why should conservatives care about a guy getting a little on the side when his wife isn't looking, right guy?

272 posted on 11/03/2011 11:24:52 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: xzins
Question for journos: Why the heck don't y'all just cut to the chase and ask ALL the candidates if they've ever screwed around on their spouses.

All I care about is an honest answer, not the gory details.

273 posted on 11/03/2011 11:25:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: bbernard
LOL, rush takes this story apart, very funny, he said she said, may have seen, was not there. LOL
274 posted on 11/03/2011 11:26:47 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Brookhaven

In case someone else hasn’t already posted it. The article has added corrections, which negate key portions of the story. Corrections from PJM are below:

(CORRECTIONS: A previous version of this story mentioned that a source witnessed Cain and the woman entering a taxi together. This was incorrect.

The previous version also mentioned that the woman awoke in Cain’s bed — the source only claimed that the woman awoke in Cain’s apartment.

The previous version incorrectly attributed comments from one source to the other source.)


275 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:09 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: McGavin999

He’s guilty!!! I know because you just told me, and we all know that you are the soul of truthfulness.


276 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:14 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: luckybogey

Thanks- good work.


277 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:36 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: McGavin999
What conservatives need to care about is that there is no evidence that there is any truth to any of this 'story.'

There is no evidence of harrassment. There is no evidence of adultery. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing of any nature.

Period.

278 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:36 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Strategerist
When I proclaim someone unelectable, it has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the candidate;

I agree that a conservative republican's chances of getting nominated over a scandal like this drop significantly, if true and so far thats a big if. However, the math on this is somewhat different because of his race. If he starts looking like a victim, even if he is guilty, the minority is going to identify with him and make him more likely to win and make Obama less likely. It could give the minority and excuse to abandon Obama. We could get the OJ Simpson jury effect.

279 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:46 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: 9YearLurker

—Also, with Cain’s serial lies I find it hard to believe anything about his account at this point.—

That is an odd statement.

—With the rate that it is going and the second woman asking to be released from the nondisclosure...—

Is she? Really? Or is even that statement just a ploy to give her story more credibility? I’ve seen amazing deception done in just such a way. There is all sorts of feigning of that sort in a courtroom.

And you have no idea how many people get drunk, wreck their cars, take off and then report them stolen. I saw it happen before my very eyes once. The cops have been on to it though, for many decades.

Same thing here. What sounds completely believable to us is approached by cops with rolling eyes.

The way this is playing out absolutely stinks of a smear not backed by evidence.


280 posted on 11/03/2011 11:27:52 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring

It happened in 1990’s.....they need to just leave it there. Stupid to make such a deal of this...regardless of how people might see this as a judgement call. You mix booze and people together you get “stuff”....the wise recognize the “witching hour”...fools rush in otherwise.


281 posted on 11/03/2011 11:28:37 AM PDT by caww
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To: Paradox
I have higher standards.

Well la-dee-da, why don't you run for President and attempt to save the country then? Apparently we need someone who has never done anything wrong.

Look, not one of us is without sin. How well would your entire life stand up under the media microscope?

I'm not saying that cheating on his wife is no big deal. I am saying that there are very few people who don't have something in their past that conservatives would deem unforgivable.

I would STILL rather have Cain than Romney. Or Obama, for that matter.

282 posted on 11/03/2011 11:28:40 AM PDT by teenyelliott (welcome to the Twilight Zone)
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To: mewzilla

Makes sense, but I doubt you’ll get any response from other candidates not under the gun.

In Cain’s case, it’s a big media storyline and he needs it to stop. At this point, the only way I can see to make it stop is to offer reasonable prove it didn’t happen.


283 posted on 11/03/2011 11:29:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: ohioWfan
There is no evidence of harrassment. There is no evidence of adultery. There is no evidence of any wrongdoing of any nature.

Doesn't matter...there IS a trail of 'pay outs' and in the eyes of many that's sufficient to say there is guilt somewhere....just the way it is.

284 posted on 11/03/2011 11:30:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: casinva

casinva...

This has turned upside down. Now we have a Republican candidate with allegations against him. We have supporters of his that say it doesn’t matter if they saw pictures of him with a goat.

But those same people had a problem with Bill Clinton and his pecadillos. Clinton’s sex stuff probably doesn’t matter to them now. They’ve EVOLVED. They’ve PROGRESSED.

Oh...who cares what some low-end, low-skilled, bottom-of-the-totem-pole woman says?

Cain is our GUY!

They’re not as special as he is! They don’t make much! They’re all “chicken” to come out and tell their story!

Yeah. Look what happened to Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Monica Lewinsky, Linda Tripp. It worked out great for all of them, didn’t it?


285 posted on 11/03/2011 11:31:06 AM PDT by Chasaway
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To: shield

—hush money paid through a settlement —

Seriously? You think that is it?

I’m not buying it. There are far too many bs cases that are just paid off because it’s cheaper. And what I am hearing about the settlement amount fits into that category. ANYTHING under $100k is “quit bothering us” money.


286 posted on 11/03/2011 11:31:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: shield

Your analysis is flawed, but then again, I never expected anything else from someone who supports the Marlboro man.


287 posted on 11/03/2011 11:32:19 AM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sheriff in town.)
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To: Qbert

“I had the original PJM article still open when I saw your comment, and it clearly said “woke up in his bed”... and when I refreshed it, “in his bed” was gone. That certainly change things.”

My browser window was closed so I opened it with my history and the page came up with “woke up”.

Did you get a screen print before refreshing it?


288 posted on 11/03/2011 11:32:26 AM PDT by bbernard
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To: org.whodat

Rush did a great job on that, especially considering the story broke while he was on live.


289 posted on 11/03/2011 11:32:49 AM PDT by 07Jack
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To: bbernard

PJ media has edited this story.

The earlier version said witnesses saw them get into a taxi together. Now it says “Cain allegedly took the woman by taxi to his apartment”.

The earlier version said “she woke up in his BED”. The current version says “she wokd up in his APARTMENT”.


290 posted on 11/03/2011 11:33:00 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Just say #So? to the mainstream media smears)
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To: xzins

I can see these same woman being paid off..AGAIN...it’s all on a role to the finish line of where they all stand to gain money ...lawyers, the gals, the media...all spreading the wealth around. Just shows how greedy and morally bankrupt this country is ...all the way to the top!


291 posted on 11/03/2011 11:33:10 AM PDT by caww
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To: casinva

—A MOTHER WHO HAD TO SEE HER LITTLE GIRL RAPED—

Man, I am so sorry you had to see such a thing. Seriously. I don’t know how I could take it if I knew the perp was still alive.


292 posted on 11/03/2011 11:33:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: clamper1797
Seems to me that I read somewhere that a person has the right to face their accusers

The media isn't a courtroom

293 posted on 11/03/2011 11:33:59 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: teenyelliott

I agree personally (that he can be forgiven if he has reconciled with his wife), but I know politically he will be mocked as a hypocrite by the media and the libs every time he need to take some sort of pro-marriage stance in the campaign. It is a double standard, but as a republican, you need to be totally clean.


294 posted on 11/03/2011 11:33:59 AM PDT by MrShoop
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To: xzins
Well, if I were a candidate who's been faithful to my spouse, I'd be happy to volunteer the info.

I find it alarming that none of the candidates has done so.

We have millions of people in this country. Can't we find even one who's not a sodding degenerate!?

295 posted on 11/03/2011 11:34:00 AM PDT by mewzilla (Forget a third party. We need a second one.)
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To: xzins

—Cain has denied sexual harrassment. —

So, the one person who is not anonymous has spoken. I’m anxious to see what others who come forward have to say.


296 posted on 11/03/2011 11:34:38 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Raycpa
If he starts looking like a victim, even if he is guilty, the minority is going to identify with him

The Race Traitor stuff is just too deeply ingrained. Believe me, as much as I hound people for being blindly optimistic about hopeless candidates, I seriously thought Michael Steele had a chance in the Maryland Senate race.

297 posted on 11/03/2011 11:34:40 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: proud American in Canada
Did he live there with his wife or have some second residence? Perhaps he wanted to make sure she had somewhere to crash after a night of drinking. “His bed” can mean anything—a spare room, etc. She isn’t claiming he touched her. And she didn’t say he was with her when she woke up.

In that case you take her to a hotel, have the manager take her to her room ALONE and you have a witness the next day. You have no business taking a sweet young thing to you home unless your wife is there.

298 posted on 11/03/2011 11:34:47 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: mo

You are right all that trash talk about her son being the daughter’s, disgusting


299 posted on 11/03/2011 11:35:02 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: McGavin999
Another perrywinkle making allegations, and spinning out his a**, did perry send out talking points. These so called people seen nothing and know even less, I am sure the Rush transcript will be posted sooner rather than later.
300 posted on 11/03/2011 11:35:13 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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