Skip to comments.PJM Sources Report Details of Alleged Cain Incident
Posted on 11/03/2011 10:04:50 AM PDT by bbernard
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Many of the current accepted standards don't seem logical, fair, or anything close to it, but that is how it is today.
Just because opponets state the obvious doesn’t make it untrue. Cain is not handling this well...and that’s pretty obvious...to speak on Hannity in the next moments isn’t going to help him if he keeps on feeding the animals...he’s just not doing well in this and is playign a role now in this scandal nonsense....he needs to have made a statement and then let it go...he’s not.
“I too have a family member who was a rape victim”
There’s the rape word again. I don’t get it. It’s one thing to think people on this board, and conservatives in general, are jumping to conclusions, and being unfair and insensitive. Quite another to compare this situation to rape. Even if it was harassment and enough to oust Cain from the race, I am almost certain it wasn’t rape. Were it, you’d be hearing entire orchestras of bells and whistles pointing to it, instead of the vague hints of impropriety we get.
I’m also sure, nonetheless, that various people want you to think of rape. They benefit, whether politically or career-wise, by you filling in the gaps with your worst nightmares.
Yes of course but liberals who watch the film and imagine that they are Gregory Peck are actually the townspeople who are complicit in the railroading of Tom.
Who will be the Gregory Peck of the GOP? Cain himself?
Just want to point out that the article/story has changed. They retracted the part about her sleeping in his bed. They also retract the comment that they went in a taxi together. The retractions are the end of the article in the original link above, and the article has been updated.
I replied to all of you because you all replied to Longbow’s original post. Not sure what to make of it but it appears the author got ahead of himself on the original article and was apparently corrected by his source.
I completely agree with you.
If the encounter goes well, it is called a marriage....or an “association”
In the military, they have strict UCMJ rules about fraternization that make these things impossible to defend because of their very nature. But, in the civilian world, there is no law against “dating” or “encountering”.
Ordinarily I'd agree but I am not convinced he really wants the Presidency since he has risen so fast...I think he's determining that as he goes now...if or not he's going to carry this to the end.
You don't believe the accusations but say the women should be treated better?
Stunning bit of logic there.
How do you think liars who attempt to take down political candidates should be treated?
casinva, I didn’t know about your daughter, I am so sorry. I can’t even imagine what that must have been like for you and your husband to have to go through with your daughter, she is very lucky to have had you there to help her through it.
Nah, I just don’t think Herb Cain is up to the job of being POTUS with how he’s handled this mess. It’s true that posters on this site did not give Clinton a pass. Hell they used to dress up as Clinochio and Monica to protest him.
It appears whatever this is or isn't hasn't caused much of a rift with Mrs. Cain. They're still married after 43 years. If she can back him for 4 decades, I can back him for 4 years. He still has my vote.
Actually, nothing here seems real nefarious. It appears there was a period of time where Cain was a little “active” with the ladies, boozing and partying. CEO and workers shouldn’t have such relationships, but sometimes the booze makes things seem alright at the time. Payments were made, and things were resolved. Unfortunately, when running for President, this kind of thing usually makes its way into the mix.
For some it’s the activity is a big deal, for others the way it’s been handled is a big deal. For true believers, neither is a big deal. Each person has to decide if they want this kind of person for their candidate.
When he was asked why he was running for the presidency, he answered, "To be President!"
I see no reason to presume he's a bald faced liar without any proof of that. I believe that, like all the other candidates, he thinks his ideas will help the country and that his being President will bring us back to our pre-Obama strength and fix the mess we're in.
And I think that of Perry, Gingrich, Bachmann, Santorum, and yes, even Romney.
They ALL want to be President because they think they have the best ideas. It would be a stretch to try to prove otherwise.
LOL You mean lying, changing stories, blaming everyone else and snapping at the media for asking questions? Talk about deluded then. He’s acting paranoid and saying everyone is out to get him. He had no problem piling on Perry without one fact behind it not once but twice now. He needs to put his big boy pants on and quit the whining.
“IMHO if the conduct does not rise to the level of a crime, it should not rise to the level of a tort.”
I also object to sexual harassment law on the same basis as “hate crime” law. We ought not create special classes of citizens willy-nilly. Murder is murder, whether your victim is the same race as you or not; just as harassment should be harassment whether the person you harass is a chick or a dude.
Not that men and women can’t be treated differently for various purposes. I certainly don’t want to live in a perfectly unisex culture. But the idea that saying the exact same thing to a man as a woman can result in a lawsuit in one case but not the other is anathema to me. We ought not to leave it to the subjective feelings of women as to when they’ve been wronged in any case, and especially not when men are denied the same privilege.
Not that we’re equal. Men continue to be menaces. And though women are not wilting flowers, they are more sensitive and vulnerable. But that’s just the thing; we’re transferring the very real brutality of men in the physical realm over into the realm of words, which is unjustified. Words are a problem, but a problem that can be dealt with privately. It is a social, not political, issue.
Whether or not we give the benefit of the justifiable homicide to women who shoot what their imaginations tell them might have been attackers in dark alleyways. I have a problem with it, since, as feminists constantly warn us, all men are potential rapists. But that’s another issue. We can’t make mere words legally actionable just because men often back words with violence. Men and women should be equal before the law as regards what comes out of their mouths. Not equal in company policy or how your mother would react to hear you, but before the law.
Unless you've been with him every minute of the last 30 years, you can't be sure what he's done.
Hillary stood by her man too.
I went “off the deep” here as you so described because I mentioned this particular incident in the article indicated the young woman was young and that her parents were involved in helping her through that time, relating my own experience with sexual victimization, and a poster here told me that I was raising my daughter to be a wimp if I had to help her through a time like that.
Yes, my daughter, 16-years old at the time was literally RAPED. I don’t know what happened here. I hear the girl (now older actually) is working with her lawyer to have a legal statement portraying the events as per her side of things.
And I bet you a dime to a dollar people are going to be all out saying she’s a wimp too. And oh boy, NOW I’m pretty sure that whatever happened, there will be some that will be saying she overreacted a dozen years ago too when she felt compromised in whatever way she did back then. Is it any wonder she is afraid to just get interviewed?
Oh, she’ll be called a wimp and more, I’m sure.
Whether this was a rape (doesn’t sound like it) or sexual misconduct less than the physical act of rape), this lady had SOMETHING that happened to her 12 or so years ago, and I guarantee you she is afraid of what will happen to her.
Can’t you hear Sean Hannity even now? I can’t believe he’s a Catholic who should appreciate life, yet he trashes the victims without even knowing the actual events. He SO wants to protect Cain that he trashes the very people who were hurt to begin with.
And if you don’t think she (or they) were not hurt enough back then, how about adding THAT victimization to the menu too. Those who should have been the innocent ones are the targets of brutality by many conservative leaders like Sean Hannity even today.
Hasn’t she / they been hurt enough already. Does Sean Hannity and those other thugs who are mocking the victims, no matter how lesser of a sexual misconduct they felt they endured years ago, know what they are doing to these ladies and those who love them NOW?
They are pathetic.
If they weren’t hurt ENOUGH for you all 12 years ago, are they getting hurt enough NOW for you all?
Hey Sean Hannity, are they hurt enough for you NOW to care?
Or are they, and ALL of us who have gone through that kind of hurt just “wimps”. Should we take your hurt now like tough guys so you can get your Herman Cain man in there?
And stupid people here who want to say I’m using this for Governor Perry, you can STICK it.
PPP says a Cain implosion would help Newt Gingrich far more than it would help Governor Perry. In fact, that poll says a Cain implosion would put Newt Gingrich over Governor Perry.
Are you all too STUPID to see this Cain fiasco doesn’t help Rick Perry?
So I am NOT some Perrywinkle trying to sabotage Herman Cain’s dysfunctional band of campaign bozos nor am I helping Governor Perry by my indignation of the horrible acts conservatives are doing to the very victims they should be caring about!
And I am NOT going overboard with my anger about this.
I will admit we do not have accounts of rape but only of some sort of sexual misconduct, but let me tell you little small mind who wants to say I’m going overboard, being a victim of a sex act is nothing small, and being a family member of one who has been abused in ANY way is nothing small, and when we STOP overreacting to the advances of perverts who use and abuse we are ALL in trouble.
I suggest you all start behaving like you have some moral principles regardless of who you support. I have provided a reason why my “overboard” disgust of this has nothing to do with helping any other candidate.
I care more here that a voice for other victims and their parents will be heard by those who still want to respect the moral race and human beings, that some will at least start thinking about real people here more than how to help anyone’s campaign. I can’t expect those who have not gone through this to be the same voice as some of us, but gosh, you should at least be more concerned about real people who have had real acts of hurt against them than you should about some man who so badly wants to be POTUS that he’ll even lie about possibly even smaller things. Start caring about the right things!
Yea, give it time to see just how bad the events were, but don’t ONE of you pretend that ANY sexual abuse is ever right and DON’T tell us we are overreacting when there are conservatives who are not reacting at ALL.
This is pathetic, and I’m here to tell you it is so.
Personally, I believe it is those who won’t stand up to morals and values who are the REAL wimps.
It doesn’t appear there was any “rape” involved here, but understandable why you would view posts thru those eyes with what happened to your daughter.
I have worked in the hotel rest. business and this behavior is common place between staff and management. Some of it has to do with the age of many young girls who work in this field. They are often looking to be well liked and are not skilled yet in how NOT to send mixed signals...more often than not many are flirtacious so it makes it difficult for the more conservative gals when the majority think nothing of pressing up close to a manager or making other obvious jesters like this.
Too often the gals coming into this work think the laws are made to protect them...when in fact the laws of conduct are there to protect all...and that as well means from gals whose behavior is less than acceptable. They do not take kindly to being corrected, and when done so often make accusations of sexual impropriety as a means of retaliation....so management then hopes the guys overall will just restrain from these encounters.
I am sorry your daughter expereinced this...but parents do need to be aware of the Hotel Rest. climate.
The repeal of DADT is going to have a devastating effect on the military. No longer can a drill sergeant call his recruits pansies or girly boys when they fail to meet the grade on physical tests. The camaraderie of slapping your fellow soldier on the ass for a job well done will now be considered an act of sexual harassment.
I don't see how we are going to be able to train up a well regulated fighting force when the government will be enforcing EEOC sexual harassment and discrimination standards against superior officers in the Military.
However, the immature response to the issue should open the eyes of serious voters. The ease at which the race card is thrown out and then unsupported accusations of others is made should concern people who are looking for a POTUS.
Cain has been iffy at best from my perspective since his failure to sign the Pro-Life pledge. The more I see of him the less I like him.
Nah, I just dont think Herb Cain is up to the job of being POTUS with how hes handled this mess.
The allegations are changing by the hour. Hell, he probably doesn’t even know what to respond to anymore.
Per usual, it’s the coverup and denials that are most likely to do him in.
I’ve sure got enough information to handle how truthful Cain has been through this, and unfortunately it appears to be the same dissembling as when he’s been caught in a woeful ignorance on policy.
There were two payouts during his tenure at the NRA. He could have at least been prepared to answer those. He wasn’t. If this was a lesser office he was running for that would be one thing. It’s not. He’s a political neophyte running for the top office in the world and he can’t handle the pressure of the election process.
I think he’s handled it just fine.
So a perrywinkle does not like Cain, well dang, . LOL
Looks like Cain is up on Hannity now for the entire hour...might be good to kisten for those interested...I fear he will dig himself deeper....
So here he is!
I am ambivalent about him at this point. He continues to expose himself as a political neophyte who probably should not be entrusted with the reins of national security. I would prefer someone with at least some military experience (Perry) or some significant knowledge of foreign policy and world history (Gingrich).
We are entering into some very dangerous times and I really want someone at the helm who understands the intricacies of foreign intrigue and geo-political strategy.
Now is not the time for on the job training. Cain will make an excellent VP nominee. I don't think he's ready to head the ticket.
Please, what exactly are these serious allegations? A gesture made her uncomfortable? That's serious enough to keep him from an election? Those are some high towers you've set up for folks. I'm sooo unworthly of even being on the internet with such goodness.
LOL ! I’ve read all the stories and allegations, and using my background and personal experience, have came up with a non-nefarious situation that explains it pretty well as far as I’m concerned.
What’s your explanation? Wait, let me guess. Everybody is lying about poor Herb Cain. Let’s send him money.
I too have a family member who was a rape victim
This incident occured in the mid-90’s. Herman Cain remained at the NRA till 2002.
If there was any hint of rape of any kind in the complaint, do you think he would have remained at the NRA for 7 more years? No way. At the very least, he would have been asked to quietly step down (”I’m stepping down to spend more time with my family, etc...”)
If there was any hint of rape in the complaint, do you think it would have been settled for a mere $35,000? No way. You’d be looking a six figures, maybe more.
Nothing in this story suggest rape. Bad behavior? Maybe. Rape? No way.
CAin's on Hannity now and still feeding the animals...this isn't playing out well for how he's handling this...sad really...he'd be better off to walk away from disgusing this.
Cain is saying the pay off was a “severance” agreement.
Also blamed another campaign. Mentioned Anderson.
That should be a new word.
When you are discussing something disgusting, then you are "disgusing".
Wow. We are on exactly the same page.
Aaaah, poor widdle thing. Her parents must have been so proud of their little princess who got drunk at a company function. That's probably why their lawyer was called in to save her reputation. So young? Excuse me, but we have women younger than her putting their lives on the line in war zones. We all know you're a Perrybot so that little ploy isn't going to get any play.
Then I feel sorry for you for not being able to see that he is not qualified to handle the job.
He has to take back half of what he says because he doesn’t know when to stop digging.
“this lady had SOMETHING that happened to her 12 or so years ago, and I guarantee you she is afraid of what will happen to her”
Feel free to go after people for calling your daughter a wimp, and after posters who are jumping to conclusions for that matter. But it disturbs me that you can’t say anything more than “something” happened, yet here we are, talking about Rape, Rape, Rape. That’s wrong.
Trumping nothing up into inappropriate behavior is one thing, trumping inappropriateness into harassment another. All of them are somewhat understandable. Trumping inappropriateness or harassment into rape is inexcusable. Not that that’s what you’re doing. But you are doing reporter’s jobs for them by allowing the story to make you think about rape, when in fact it doesn’t imply it, let alone charge it.
Sexual harassment is not rape. But whenever anyone brings it up, rape is in the back of our minds, unjustly, in my opinion. Your aim is for real victims of real outrages to come out of the shadows; others aims are for false accusations not to be so casually made and easily accepted. Both aims are valid. I suggest furthering them by divorcing the issue of rape from that of harassment. Because they aren’t the same thing, or very similar, even though one probably does often precede the other.
It’s enough to talk about inappropriateness, infidelity, and harassment, because that’s all we’re given to talk about, given the evidence (if you can call it evidence). Where does rape enter?
“he trashes the victims without even knowing the actual events. He SO wants to protect Cain that he trashes the very people who were hurt to begin with”
How do you know they were victims? How do you know anyone was hurt? Sounds like you’re jumping to as many conclusions of Hannity.
I think we need to wait until we kinow more, but this is starting to stink to high heavens.
of Hannity = as Hannity
I am a, presently unemployed, rocket engineer. That said we have no end of what the standards are and I am aware what is required and not required with respect to this. The PJ Media has changed the story several times already becasue they evidently were informed that they could have the pants sued off of them if they didn’t set it straight. They went with the most sensational, and damaging words they could until they were forced to back off. This should tell you something of the integrity of the garbage put out in the first place.
I just got back to my desk after a few hours out. Wanted to thank you for pinging me about this. These are significant changes in the story.