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Group Pushes "Nonpartisan" Third Party Ticket in '12
RealClearPolitics ^ | November 3, 2011 | Erin McPike

Posted on 11/03/2011 12:26:21 PM PDT by neverdem

There's no telling who the Republican presidential nominee will be, even though the White House thinks it has a pretty good idea. But even if Mitt Romney squares off against Barack Obama in the 2012 presidential election, one factor might throw off any voter-modeling that either campaign could do ahead of time -- and wildly.

The real unknown in next year's presidential race is whether a viable third-party candidate will enter the race. It's not just the potential that Ron Paul would launch a general election bid -- even though he’s said...

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Asked how likely an Americans Elect ticket would be to cross that threshold, Democratic strategist Doug Schoen pointed out that Ross Perot did it twice -- in 1992 and 1996 -- and that polls indicate that about three in five voters are open to a third-party candidate.

Another questioner pointed out, however, that such candidacies can influence an election’s outcome by throwing it to the party that might have lost without the extra help. Schoen complained that one thing both Democratic and Republican strategists agree on now is that a third-party effort of this kind is “best saved for another day.”

It remains to be seen whether any credible politicians actually will join the effort, but it is a reminder that the contest might not be so cut-and-dried as to offer a clear-cut choice between the two parties. A third-party ticket that leans to the right has the potential to seal a second term for President Obama if it siphons off votes from the GOP ticket. And an Americans Elect ticket with a pair of moderates could drain Obama’s vote share and throw the election to the Republican. Either way, the close of the Republican primary season next year might not make predicting the outcome any easier.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012election; 2102; bloomberg; elections; nobama2012; obama
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A lefty like Bloomberg heading the ticket takes votes from Obama, IMHO, especially if you pair him with a RINO like Castle from Delaware as the VP.

1 posted on 11/03/2011 12:26:27 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Third party? Why not?

Sharpton/Sheehan 2012!

2 posted on 11/03/2011 12:28:09 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: neverdem

The Democrats don’t want a moderate RINO ticket to run. That’s their worst nightmare.

But they will happy to help another Ross Perot get on the ballot.


3 posted on 11/03/2011 12:29:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: South40

Don’t say that. They might win.


4 posted on 11/03/2011 12:29:24 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: South40

Snoop Dogg / Fity Cent


5 posted on 11/03/2011 12:29:55 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: neverdem

George Soros is the money behind Americans Elect, and he isn’t trying to sabotage the next national election to benefit the Republicans.

Doug Schoen ought to be ashamed of himself.


6 posted on 11/03/2011 12:29:55 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: neverdem
And an Americans Elect ticket with a pair of moderates could drain Obama’s vote share and throw the election to the Republican.

What bassackward thinking. This is hilarious, moderates being pulled from Obama. The Republican party is the countries moderate party.

7 posted on 11/03/2011 12:34:43 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: neverdem

I would agree that a leftist 3rd party would lead to a victory for the right, but I’ll not agree that a conservative 3rd party will lead to a victory for the left. Roughly 40% of America describes itself as conservative while only 20% describes itself as liberal. That means about 40% considers itself moderate.

Do the math.


8 posted on 11/03/2011 12:40:17 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

And today’s RINOS are thinking about how to get that moderate 40% for themselves, after they purge the Conservative / Tea Party / Religious Right element from the Republican party.

It won’t work the way they think....


9 posted on 11/03/2011 12:47:24 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: neverdem
Third Party Conservative in 2012 = The Messiah for four more years, PERIOD.

That's their (Democrats) ONLY HOPE for his Re-Election, without MASSIVE FRAUD of an un-precedented scale.

10 posted on 11/03/2011 12:47:44 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: neverdem

I’m part of the 99%. I’m 99% convinced all presidential elections are rigged. If Romney gets the nomination I’ll become 100%.


11 posted on 11/03/2011 1:00:54 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Where is the OPPOSITION party? I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: xzins
"40% America describes itself as conservative

And 100% of the GOP candidates so describe themselves, outdoing each other on who is really Spartacus. Both parties say the other rots, unfortunately they are both right. I'm looking at independents who say plague on both your houses.

12 posted on 11/03/2011 1:03:21 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: neverdem

lol.

Let them split the DemonCrap vote.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 1:17:08 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: neverdem

A third party that leans right? Heck, we can’t even get the GOP to do that!


14 posted on 11/03/2011 1:18:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: I Shall Endure; xzins; Jim Robinson

The conservtives are the independents these days!


15 posted on 11/03/2011 1:21:48 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL; I Shall Endure; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Jim Robinson

I guarantee you that if Romney wins the nomination, then I’ll be voting for some 3rd party conservative. I’ll not leave the presidential slot open. I will write in if that is the only course left to me.

I do believe, though, that a conservative 3rd party that kept the conservative vote would defeat a liberal and a rino who would be splitting the lib and moderate vote with both of them claiming to be running a “centrist” campaign.


16 posted on 11/03/2011 1:29:59 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

The problem is that many will vote for the GOP “just because”. The voters in this country have become zombies to the two-party system and will be hard to change in the short run.


17 posted on 11/03/2011 1:38:04 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Yes, a conservative 3rd party would have to find a way to activate and keep the conservative vote. That would be the challenge.


19 posted on 11/03/2011 1:40:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

I would love to see it if it becomes necessary


20 posted on 11/03/2011 1:43:37 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: neverdem

Hey, they could run Mittens and Al gore, since they both believe in gore bull warming!


21 posted on 11/03/2011 1:43:48 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: traditional1

Yes, but what if there are FOUR candidates (from left to right):
Democrat/Liberal/Socialist/Communist Party - 0bambi/Old Joe
Moderate - Bloomberg/Castle
GOP - Romney/Huntsman
Conservative/Tea Party - Palin/Cain or Palin/Gingrich

NOW it gets interesting.


22 posted on 11/03/2011 1:59:59 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey
There's NO WAY the Democrat Base will allow a second Democrat-lite Party to form or run candidates. The Public Sector and Private Sector Unions will make SURE it doesn't happen.

Besides, there's no such thing as a "Moderate Liberal", IMHO.

23 posted on 11/03/2011 2:09:22 PM PDT by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: neverdem

Run a Trump/Bloomberg ticket in the states of New York, Connecticut, New Jersey, and Florida.


24 posted on 11/03/2011 2:18:52 PM PDT by bigoil (Study Thy Nixon)
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To: xzins; GeronL; I Shall Endure; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Jim Robinson
I guarantee you that if Romney wins the nomination, then I’ll be voting for some 3rd party conservative.

I will do the same.

Rasmussen had a national poll out today and in the details he said that 12% of Pubs said they will not vote for Romney no matter what and another 16% were not likely to vote for Romney against obama. I was surprised the %'s were not higher, but then a lot of voters still don't know how liberal he is.

If the poll is accurate and Romney loses half of the not likely to group he's down 20% of the Pubs. I don't see him picking up enough independents and Rats to make up that %. If any of the other candidates end up with the nomination I don't see them losing that kind of a %.

25 posted on 11/03/2011 2:23:47 PM PDT by wmfights (PERRY 2012)
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To: traditional1

That’s not clear to me at all; the Leftist “True Believers” hate Obama as much as we do, and see no difference between him and Romney. So if Romney’s the nominee they have nothing to loose by voting for a independent. That said, it would be foolish of them to do so; there are more pure conservatives in this country than pure progressives.

If Romney’s the nominee I expect a four-way race. The Conservative candidate will probably win, with about 35% of the vote. It’ll be a squeaker, though.

But why, Oh Why do the Republicans have to have open primaries?


26 posted on 11/03/2011 2:59:40 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: traditional1

The Democratic “machine” might want a fourth-party hard left presidential candidate. Why? Enthusiasm. If the choice is Romney vs. Obama, the Democratic base mostly stays home, and the Dems get SLAUGHTERED down ballet.

At this point the Dems know the presidency is probably lost unless the economy turns around quick. But they want to hold the Senate, and not get blown out in house races, either. A Charismatic lefty independent presidential candidate gets their base to the polls. They’ll need that, very badly, if Romney is our nominee.

If a real conservative is our nominee they can use fear to motivate their base....


27 posted on 11/03/2011 3:05:40 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: xzins
I guarantee you that if Romney wins the nomination, then I’ll be voting for some 3rd party conservative. I’ll not leave the presidential slot open. I will write in if that is the only course left to me.

Same here. I'll be done with the GOP if they nominate Romney somehow.
28 posted on 11/03/2011 3:29:03 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: South40
I was thinking....

Jackson/Sharpton 2012!

29 posted on 11/03/2011 9:08:27 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed

Those two race-baiters are competitive and don’t like each other. And Sharpton would never agree to be Je$$e’s VP though he might agree to let Je$$e be his.


30 posted on 11/03/2011 9:12:03 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.


31 posted on 11/05/2011 8:14:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (The bullet neutralizes the ballot in most of the world.)
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