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At What Point Will Herman Cain Be Held To Sarah Palin Standards?
Business Insider ^ | Nov. 2, 2011 | Glynnis MacNicol

Posted on 11/03/2011 12:36:48 PM PDT by presidio9

It's pretty clear that this Herman Cain harassment story does not have any legs. Of the truly damaging kind, anyway. (Unless, of course, this new employee can provide any actual details.)

Here's what appears to be getting lost in that story. Herman Cain's continuing ignorance on foreign policy.

Sure the initial ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan remark made for good late night fodder. But Cain's remarks regarding foreign policy in the last 24 hours should be sounding alarm bells. And they aren't.

Imagine for a moment (as Joe Scarborough did this morning) that Sarah Palin had said in an interview that she was worried about China as a military threat because they've "indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have."

Cain said that last night on PBS. China has had nuclear capability since 1964.

Or declared it was her intention to send war ships into the Persian Gulf and get in a shooting war with Iran. As Cain did on O'Reilly last night.

Palin, meanwhile, was excoriated (and rightly so) for telling Katie Couric she reads "all the papers" and that her foreign policy experience was rooted in the fact Alaska was bordered by foreign countries (hence the SNL line "I can see Alaska from my house").

That interview was so damaging it essentially ended Palin's (and McCain's) White House run. One wonders if Cain would even make headline for anything so mundane.

It's true that Cain is not the official nominee as Palin was. But he has now sustained his lead in the polls for so long that he needs to be treated with some gravitas. Outside of MSNBC the media has been slow to shift to

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KEYWORDS: 2012; cain; elections; herbcain; hermancain; reevaluategigrich; sarahpalin
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1 posted on 11/03/2011 12:36:51 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Why the Hell do this people think the State Department exists? Why the Attorney Gneral exists? Why the Secretary of the Treasury exists?

IT’S BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T DO EVERYTHING HIMSELF!!


2 posted on 11/03/2011 12:39:20 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: presidio9

JR is gonna have to make a new rule regarding this misnamed rag.


3 posted on 11/03/2011 12:42:13 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SatinDoll

If it’s all about creating jobs, Rick Perry gets the nod.

If it’s all about who has the best business sense, Mitt Romney is at least his equal.

If it’s all about intelligence, Newt Gingrich is the obvious choice.

If it’s all about character Tim Tebow will be available in January.


4 posted on 11/03/2011 12:42:23 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Asthma breathalyzer …
5 posted on 11/03/2011 12:42:50 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: presidio9
Or like when he said that America has 57 states.
Or when he said he would attack Pakistan.
Or when he spoke of fallen heros in the audience.
Or that maybe grandma should just take a pill.

Ooops that was some other guy, nevermind.

6 posted on 11/03/2011 12:43:58 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: SatinDoll

Hell they don’t care if somebody does know what they’re talking about. They just want to attack those they see as outsiders.

Michele Bachmann has been ridiculed for foreign policy comments she’s made and she’s on the select committee on intelligence.


7 posted on 11/03/2011 12:44:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a permanent Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: presidio9
Same standards ??? How about 'Game On' ?

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8 posted on 11/03/2011 12:44:50 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: presidio9

Also, Palin was honorable. I never felt that she lied about anything, she released everything immediately (at one point even overwhelming the hostile press) and she never attacked another GOP candidate, even though she probably had ample reason to do so.

But I actually think one of the reasons she didn’t run after all - although for about 2 years, I hadn’t thought that she planned to run - was because she didn’t want to be anybody’s personal savior. Some people here on FR are so committed to Cain (just as the Dems were committed to Obama and even to Clinton) that I find it a little frightening.

It’s not about personalities, it’s about policy and capability.


9 posted on 11/03/2011 12:45:33 PM PDT by livius
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To: presidio9
I am all in for cutting 80% of the foreign affairs budget. A computer terminal and a guard could replace 99% of the need for an embassy and we can out source the terminal to an india call center. At least they would not hand out visas to people trying to kill us.
10 posted on 11/03/2011 12:45:49 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: presidio9

HERMAN CAIN ON FOREIGN POLICY -

Cain’s Foreign Policy Team (Cain receives briefings daily)
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/10/26/raising_cain_inside_herman_cain_s_new_foreign_policy_team#.TqhMZVVMvei.facebook

Cain discusses foreign policy in interviews:

with Dick Morris - http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/herman-cain-interview-on-new-ideas-to-tame-iran-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

with Bill O’Reilly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJjAJeyYhAg

Cain’s Position on Israel: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/28/the-u-s-must-stand-with-israel/

Summary of Foreign Policy Stance:
http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

Values Voters Speech:
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/


11 posted on 11/03/2011 12:46:22 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: presidio9

I was very fortunate to have as my professor in foreign policy studies to be a gentleman by the name of professor Lawrence. He had been a adviser to president Kennedy. The most important thing he said we have to understand about foreign policy is how quickly it changes, three months and it is mostly stale. The damage done and ongoing right now by the current administration; makes it impossible to predict where the world will be when Cain takes the oath of office.

Herman Cain is a CEO by training in a real world scenario, which has made him a great manager, which means he knows how to identify good people, no one knows every thing, except Obama that is and look how that’s working out.


12 posted on 11/03/2011 12:46:27 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: presidio9

Cain’s plan is projected to create 6 million jobs.


13 posted on 11/03/2011 12:47:28 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: livius
Some people here on FR are so committed to Cain (just as the Dems were committed to Obama and even to Clinton) that I find it a little frightening.

Agreed, but if you're honest you could also say the same thing about Palin.

14 posted on 11/03/2011 12:48:40 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

PS; What they did to Sarah Palin was not a standard! It was political slaughter!


15 posted on 11/03/2011 12:48:47 PM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Cain 2012)
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To: sickoflibs

I guess the game wasn’t as “on” as some folks thought.


16 posted on 11/03/2011 12:49:00 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: presidio9

Agreed, but if you’re honest you could also say the same thing about Palin


Mostly the same people, switching from one idol to another..


17 posted on 11/03/2011 12:50:33 PM PDT by magritte
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To: presidio9

I would rather have a President who admits he is not an expert on every single issue and knows how to hire good people to help him the the last few who pretending to be geniuses on every single thing


18 posted on 11/03/2011 12:50:39 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: sickoflibs
Geeze. McCain killed his own campaign when he suspended it to go back to Washington.

Stupid move.

19 posted on 11/03/2011 12:50:56 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: justsaynomore
Cain’s plan is projected to create 6 million jobs.

Ending the Obama Presidency and his Keynsian nonsense will create at least that many no matter who we nominate.

20 posted on 11/03/2011 12:51:02 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: magritte
Mostly the same people, switching from one idol to another..

Like your idolization of Perry. Pot meet Kettle

21 posted on 11/03/2011 12:51:19 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Lol...we’ll see how St. Herb fares the next couple of weeks...the hits will keep coming...

U betcha.


22 posted on 11/03/2011 12:52:53 PM PDT by magritte
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To: livius
Too bad you don't follow Palin example since you are busy running around here lying about Cain

Where is the PROOF Perrybot? Don't just rush to the next thread to start in on the next slander.

Live up to your own self proclaimed standards hypocrite.

23 posted on 11/03/2011 12:53:43 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Actually McCain’s campaign died when he hired a bunch of Romneybots who made sure McCain did not win. Just look at the way McCain acted, he NEVER wanted to win. Going around kissing Obama’s ass saying you have nothing to worry about with an Obama Presidency, it was like HE was the running on the Dem side of the ticket. Sarah Palin did ALL the work, busted her ass, McCain just stood back with that idiotic grin of his like he could care less


24 posted on 11/03/2011 12:54:04 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: presidio9
A better question would be:

At what point will Cain apologize for (twice now) smearing Rick Perry?

25 posted on 11/03/2011 12:55:03 PM PDT by jla (Who says Perry's a conservative? - Rush, Inhofe, Levin, Palin, Blackwell & Sowell do.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
True enough.

And we are still living with that screw up.

26 posted on 11/03/2011 12:55:03 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( The Prudential Governor... Have you bought your piece of the Rick)
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To: presidio9

Nope. Because none all of them are mere trim around the edges while leaving the same old corrupt political foundation in place.

if you want solutions, not just focus group tested sound bites and slogans, Cain is the only serious candidate.


27 posted on 11/03/2011 12:55:31 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: presidio9
"Herman Cain's continuing ignorance on foreign policy."

Yes. Because he is NOT a professional politician, Jackass! That's a strength not a weakness!

Best of all--he has not been brainwashed into Leftist, Decadent GROUPTHINK!

He's smart! He's puissant! He learns fast!

He has conquered cancer, RACIAL DISCRIMINATION, poverty, and corporate America. HE CAN LEARN FOREIGN POLICY THE SAME WAY!

And he will OVERCOME BIG BROTHER'S RUTHLESS PROPAGANDA MACHINE!

WE SHALL OVERCOME!

28 posted on 11/03/2011 12:56:02 PM PDT by Savage Beast (A backwoods southern lawyer is a safer trustee for your soul than a Washington politician.)
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To: humblegunner; gov_bean_ counter
RE :"I guess the game wasn’t as “on” as some folks thought."

Where's that passion?

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29 posted on 11/03/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: presidio9
Imagine for a moment (as Joe Scarborough did this morning) that Sarah Palin had said in an interview that she was worried about China as a military threat because they've "indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have

I don't get the point. Whether Herman or Sarah says it, it is true. China is trying to develop Nuclear Capable Ships just like we have. Is the author trying to indicate that he is not intelligent enought to understand that? Even if he can't, what does it have to do with Herman's capabilities on Foreign Policy?

30 posted on 11/03/2011 1:00:12 PM PDT by CMAC51
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To: presidio9

If these are Cain’s words: “”indicated that they’re trying to develop nuclear capability and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have.” “, then it is entirely plausible that he was talking about nuclear aircraft carriers. The “like we have” is a dead give-away.

It’s not a well-constructed thought, but it isn’t fair not to notice the “like we have” if he says that’s what he was talking about. What other kind “like we have” would he be talking about...the kind that float???


31 posted on 11/03/2011 1:00:35 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: presidio9
Herman Cain's continuing ignorance on foreign policy.

How can this be an issue given the current President's prior ignorance of foreign policy? If anything President Cain will have to undo the damage by Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration on many fronts, especially Israel.

Silly to even consider foreign policy with domestic policy in shambles! Herman Cain has considerable experience as a successful businessman; he has integrity, common sense, and a strong understanding of what this country needs in terms of culture, borders, language, and defense priorities.

He will make a great President in all areas, domestic and foreign.

32 posted on 11/03/2011 1:02:29 PM PDT by olezip
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To: livius

Isn’t it funny? The people supporting Sarah, Cain, etc, are purely blind emotional zealots. But of course, your choice is only the result of cool, dispassionate, observation of capabilities. It’s a little frightening,,,,,/


33 posted on 11/03/2011 1:03:22 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: magritte

Mostly the same people, switching from one idol to another..

Correctamundo. Herman Cain would make an excellent president. Mitt Romney would make a decent president. Rick Perry would make a decent president. Ron Paul would make a serviceable president. Rick Santorum would make an excellent president, but he has no chance. The man in the field who is best qualified to strengthen the economy, restore our position in the world, solve the dysfunction in congress, and kick Obama's ass in a debate is Newt Gingrich. If the left wants to get into a character debate, the right will be only two happy to rehash the Bill Ayres material.

34 posted on 11/03/2011 1:03:44 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: magritte

How much foreign experience did Barry Soreto have before he became president. No one bit. For that matter, how much foeign experiernce did GW Bush have before he became president. Again, not one bit. Unless you’ve been a vice president, you don’t have “foreign policy” experience that would make you an expert in any type of foreign affairs. I might add that McCain touted himself as some sort of expert on foreign affairs. I often wondered why. He had never sat on any foreign relations committees.


35 posted on 11/03/2011 1:03:57 PM PDT by Luther1917
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To: gov_bean_ counter
RE:"Geeze. McCain killed his own campaign when he suspended it to go back to Washington. Stupid move. "

That is one stupid thing that people remember, then he voted for both TARP bills, and then a few weeks later came out complaining about TARP when the details looked unpopular. I dont see where Palin either helped or hurt him as a net effect.

36 posted on 11/03/2011 1:04:08 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: magritte
Mostly the same people, switching from one idol to another..

We just don't like professional idols who coast along for 11 years on nice hair and nasty wives.

37 posted on 11/03/2011 1:06:53 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: MNJohnnie
"I would rather have a President who admits he is not an expert on every single issue and knows how to hire good people to help him the the last few who pretending to be geniuses on every single thing."

The best leaders I've known in my life have all had a few qualities in common:

1. They are humble enough to know that they do not know everything.

2. They are wise enough to surround themselves with people who are well versed in their specialties, and will provide candid advice.

3. They are bold enough to make the decisions they firmly believe are right, even if they are not popular.

4. They assume full responsibility for the consequences of their decisions and actions.

5. When they were wrong, they acknowledge it and try to make it right.

Not sure if any of our candidates (or any human for that matter) can always do the above 100% of the time, but right now, of the available field, I think Cain is probably the best fit.

38 posted on 11/03/2011 1:07:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SatinDoll
IT’S BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T DO EVERYTHING HIMSELF!!

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One would at least expect any wannabe POTUS to have a clue about China's nuclear capabilities....

How low do you set the bar?

39 posted on 11/03/2011 1:08:10 PM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: magritte
Lol...we’ll see how St. Herb fares the next couple of weeks...the hits will keep coming...

And the public will just get more angry at the liars.

Cain's numbers are RISING. So is his fundraising. Now why is that?

40 posted on 11/03/2011 1:09:11 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: CMAC51

Cain is perfectly aware that China has nuclear capability. From an article he wrote about China (and Communism) in 2005:

“The U.S. should be less concerned about China’s economic potential than by the military threat it poses. Three Chinese spies were recently indicted in the U.S. for conspiring to steal numerous naval warship technologies. This summer China and Russia participated in a week-long joint military exercise. China’s build up of nuclear, military and space technologies to rival the U.S., and its saber-rattling over Taiwan’s independence, signals a commitment to more red, not green.”

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-120305.asp


41 posted on 11/03/2011 1:10:55 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: jla
At what point will Cain apologize for (twice now) smearing Rick Perry?

HAHAHAHAHA! Awww...poor La Raza Ricky...pure as the driven snow!

42 posted on 11/03/2011 1:13:35 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: DesertRhino
What's frightening is that you people support this clown:


43 posted on 11/03/2011 1:17:16 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

Foreign policy is key in a Presidential candidate.

That’s the way our constitutional republic is set up.

I haven’t heard Cain in any extensive foreign policy speech.
You can’t fake it if you are President. You are the USA — its representative.

You have to have some background in the different factions,
shiites etc. in Iraq, Turkey, India, Pakistan, Asia (Australia, Japan,
south korea), the Israeli-Palestinian history and outlook, China

You need some kind of vision as well. What is your foreign policy priority if you are President?
Now of course there are world events that happen.

But as a voter I’d like to know that my presidential candidate has foreign
affairs background and vision. He or She can’t wait to “study” or rely on
experts if Israel decides to attack Iran January 2013. Or if China invades
Taiwan.

I don’t see anything with Cain right now. Nothing. Zero. No Progress.
No intellectual curiosity.

I will wait for AEI debate though.


44 posted on 11/03/2011 1:18:47 PM PDT by preamble
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To: buccaneer81

Why do people give money to tele-evangelists? True believers are not easily swayed away from somebody they’ve put all their faith and hope into and tells them all the things they want to hear. No surprise here.


45 posted on 11/03/2011 1:19:41 PM PDT by magritte
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To: presidio9

Palin did not tell Couric that she knew about foreign policy because of Alaska’s proximity to Russia. She did say something like that to Charlie Gibson. But as the unedited script shows (it was cut out for the interview), it was in response to a suggestion from Gibson. Palin did not hurt McCain; he was the author of his own misfortune. Exit interviews showed that for thos for whom the VP choice was important voted 58%/42% for McCain/Palin.


46 posted on 11/03/2011 1:20:59 PM PDT by Emerson C
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To: presidio9

Palin did not tell Couric that she knew about foreign policy because of Alaska’s proximity to Russia. She did say something like that to Charlie Gibson. But as the unedited script shows (it was cut out for the interview), it was in response to a suggestion from Gibson. Palin did not hurt McCain; he was the author of his own misfortune. Exit interviews showed that for thos for whom the VP choice was important voted 58%/42% for McCain/Palin.


47 posted on 11/03/2011 1:21:01 PM PDT by Emerson C
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To: preamble

Aside from Newt, there are no foreign policy people in this race. Face it, the public has their eggs in one basket: the economy.


48 posted on 11/03/2011 1:22:02 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Luther1917

McCain was just around so damned long he had more background in foreign affairs, which I agree was overly touted by him. The best thing a candidate can do is know the basics, don’t get drawn into places where that inexperience is so glaring. Cain wandered around on the China nuclear thing and gave an opening to the “he doesn’t even know...” about China. Notice that Romney and Gingrich don’t leave these kind of openings.


49 posted on 11/03/2011 1:23:38 PM PDT by magritte
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To: big bad easter bunny

I think that cult of foreign policy as a field requiring deep ‘expertise’, is silly mysticism that has it’s roots in European treachery. All an American president needs is an unshakable belief that America comes first,, period. Next, we are not going to involve ourselves in cheating and lies. PT Barnum’s honest man was the one you can’t cheat. Last, we should be a friend to all who will deal with us honestly, and stay away from the liars.
This vaunted expertise only becomes important when the president wishes to deceive the world and the American people of what he is actually doing.
America should not act like europe. Anyone who elects to deal
with us should know that there IS no hidden plan. This assures friends, and even makes enemies less dangerous.
If you neighborhood cop is meticulously fair and honest, it scares the shady, and warms the honest. But if he is corrupt, criminals are emboldened and always searching for ways to involve him in deeper and deeper corruptions. The good people will not become involved with him.
The foreign policy experts need it to be complicated. Honesty is simple. It’s time American foreign policy is Barnum’s honest man.


50 posted on 11/03/2011 1:26:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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