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Perry endorses work visas for illegal immigrants
Las Vegas Sun ^ | Nov. 3, 2011 | The Associated Press

Posted on 11/03/2011 5:24:19 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says America should extend work visas to allow illegal immigrants to move freely between the U.S. and their home countries _ but opposes a path to citizenship.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; amnesty; clueless; criminals; duplicate; heartless; idiot; illegals; immigration; migrantworkers; moron; perry; perry4amnesty; perry4illegals; perrylovesillegals; rino; workvisa
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To: napscoordinator

Uh, no he’s not an idiot. He’s a realist who actually has to deal with these PEOPLE. Unlike you and the gang here, he sees the people. That’s a good thing for a leader. Too bad those are few and far between here.

Any candidate who wants to actually win the general election will never say that they must round up all illegals and ship them out. It’s NEVER going to happen.

However, simply making them legal enough to pay taxes we identify them and start some form of discussion in dealing with the problem in a way that will not make the GOP a minority party for a long time. Face it, the hispanic demographic is the fastest growing one because they actually have children instead of aborting them. There are real consequences to aborting the next generation. We are just starting to reap it now.


101 posted on 11/03/2011 6:46:28 PM PDT by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: moonshinner_09

I must admit I haven’t read the article. But if Perry is saying he does not want them to become citizens. That is probably more than most running for President would say right now. I’m glad Perry is saying this. That is a good thing for America. Now put them back across the border Rick. Where they belong.


102 posted on 11/03/2011 6:47:37 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: hocndoc
Here is the problem, the AP writer sets up a false premise in the first line of the article.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says America should extend work visas to allow illegal immigrants

If you are here on a work visa, you are here legally and you are NOT an immigrant.

103 posted on 11/03/2011 6:47:50 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: eyedigress

“Well Perry has skyrocketed to 8%. He has his base solidly behind him. All 8%.”
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And this is why the Perrybots hate Cain with a passion, and have decided to throw their hat in the ring with the Left-Wing slime machine called Politico.

It must also really gall them that Cain isn’t losing support in the midst of this slime job by Politico. Heck, Cain’s campaign took in a million in just a couple of days. :-D


104 posted on 11/03/2011 6:49:42 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: mylife
Countries the world over not issue work visa’s?

Just how in the fudge do Americans conduct work in other countries?

You really do make yourself look foolish trying to defend the foolish statements and stances on the issues taken by Rick Perry. Okay, I accept that you cannot distinguish between a sensible work permit program and Perry's idiotic plan to issue work permits to many millions of illegal aliens already in the US.

105 posted on 11/03/2011 6:50:39 PM PDT by Will88
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To: moonshinner_09
La Raza Perry endorses work visas for ILLEGAL INVADERS! When we have Service men and women coming home and looking for jobs, he supports ILLEGAL INVADERS over AMERICANS! That is how the headline should read.

This goes double for RINO ROMNEY!


106 posted on 11/03/2011 6:51:01 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who FAILS to keep faith with the Military, WON'T keep faith with YOU!)
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To: BobL
The problem is you don't understand the fight. This isn't about letting them in, it's about them already being here and states having their hands tied by the feds.

Here is why Perry is right.

Its all about getting them on record.

Here is how it works now.

 If an illegal that "swam across the Rio" gets pulled over in Texas and they don't have a Driver's License or any other form of ID they are going to be booked with an ID hold. That means that they will not be released until their identity is proven. There are only two ways to do that, finger prints or someone with proper ID has to either bring them their ID or has to be able to credibly vouch for them under penalty of perjury. All a cop or jailer can do is ask, 'are you an American?' If they are here illegally and have never had contact with Law enforcement in the US their prints will not be on file, they also are not going to have anyone come and get them because they will provide proof that they are here illegally. So we are left with them either telling the truth or lying. If they tell the truth we can turn them over to ICE, if they lie, we can not turn someone who claims to be an American citizen over to ICE no matter how much our gut tells us they are lying. So now they are here, stuck in jail and we have to wait until they decide jail sucks and then tell the truth. The problem with that is that jail is usually better than their village in Mexico or whatever hell hole they are from.

Even when they do make it to the Feds the Feds are going to help them file the forms they need to get a hearing and then release them back into the state until their court date, which no one will or can enforce that will probably be 5 years later anyway.

Most Illegals entered legally but have over stayed their VISA but unless USCIS has put out a warrant or deportation notice on them Law Enforcement will have no way of knowing they are here illegally. A worker ID system would change that. There would be a system to track them and ID them and deport them. However, it is all useless unless we secure the border first.

107 posted on 11/03/2011 6:51:13 PM PDT by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: mylife
He may be tone deaf. He doesn’t seem to understand that folks hate messicans.

Race bait much?

Can Canadians get work visas? How about Aussies? The French?

Sure they can, as long as they apply on the front end- LEGALLY, not through some back door deal with a wink and a nod that greases the skids for amnesty to full citizenship.

108 posted on 11/03/2011 6:51:19 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Gov Jan Brewer has more balls than Rick Perry.)
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109 posted on 11/03/2011 6:52:07 PM PDT by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Artcore

Who gave it to him Sharpton ? lol


110 posted on 11/03/2011 6:52:35 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: mylife

‘Here is the problem, the AP writer sets up a false premise in the first line of the article.”
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Yeah...kind of like the way the Politico didn’t mention any specific people or allegations in their hit piece on Cain...which you and the other Perrybots lapped right up.

It’s a bitch when the Left-Wing media misrepresent things about your guy isn’t it?


111 posted on 11/03/2011 6:52:39 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: BobL
It is a work visa for ILLEGALS - and what other country does that? I don’t know how much longer this site will put with you guys.

Maybe you should take a break from here before you burst something.

You're screeching in ALLCAPS, using multiple exclamation points and generally just freaking out because a bunch of people you don't even know disagree with you.

It's an internet political forum. Take a deep breath and lighten up a little.

112 posted on 11/03/2011 6:53:00 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Artcore

Finding out the so-called settlement was nothing more than a termination severance is also quite normal. Hell, my company gives severance to all employees upon satisfactory termination. (and yes, agreements are signed)


113 posted on 11/03/2011 6:53:59 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: moonshinner_09

Like Hucklebe, Perry wants cheap labor for his big racher friends and supporters! Nanny stater Hucklebe wanted cheap labor for his Alabama farmers, too. The people say no jobs for illegal aliens! Show them the exit door! Heavily fine empoloyers of illegal aliens. Newt Gingrich, too, ia a big amnesty lover!

Bnefits for illegals have been a big cause of our overcrowded schools, and emerency rooms! Too costly for us who pay our bills and taxes!


114 posted on 11/03/2011 6:54:21 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( I like Herman Cain)
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To: Carry me back
“Who gave it to him Sharpton ? lol”
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Cain is the antithesis of Sharpton.

115 posted on 11/03/2011 6:54:34 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: TADSLOS

Under Perrys plan, you get put into the system and you go to the back of the line as a NON citizen.


116 posted on 11/03/2011 6:56:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: CajunConservative
Unlike you and the gang here, he sees the people.

I don't think he's seen enough. For instance, has he seen the rape tree? You know, the one on which the illegals, sneaking here through the scarce populated foothills, hang the panties of the girls they rape?

yes, by all means let's give 'em a visa, too...

117 posted on 11/03/2011 6:57:26 PM PDT by CAluvdubya
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To: txroadkill

“There would be a system to track them and ID them and deport them. However, it is all useless unless we secure the border first. “

Nice try. Just bring this up draws ILLEGALS here, and believe me they follow our immigration debate even more than Americans. This country needs to speak with ONE VOICE, and that voice is that ILLEGALS will not be REWARDED with work permits (or any other benefits, for that matter)...that simple.

Work permits themselves are fine if done right, as long as the Illegals go home, and get in line behind the people that DIDN’T break the law.


118 posted on 11/03/2011 6:58:47 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: txroadkill

Agree with some of what you say. That if they were on record it may be easier to deport them. I would say if they can’t give a SS# if they are an adult then they are illegal though. Agree we must secure the border. Is Perry wanting to do that ?


119 posted on 11/03/2011 6:58:57 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Allegra

“Take a deep breath and lighten up a little. “

POOR BABY, AM I BOTHERING YOU???


120 posted on 11/03/2011 7:01:17 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: Artcore

We would hope. But so far, in a short period of time, he has brought up race 2 or more times.


121 posted on 11/03/2011 7:01:45 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: mylife

“Under Perrys plan, you get put into the system and you go to the back of the line as a NON citizen.”

I certainly hope they pay you guys well. There’s a point where I would just hang it up and tell them to find someone else.


122 posted on 11/03/2011 7:02:45 PM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: mylife

>> Under Perrys plan, you get put into the system and you go to the back of the line as a NON citizen. <<

So are you saying they will go to the back of the line behind all the US citizens who are currently looking for a job but can’t find one?

If that’s the case then bring them in to fill jobs when our unemployment rate is at 1%. I don’t see a problem with that.


123 posted on 11/03/2011 7:02:56 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (All rights are not created equal.)
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To: Carry me back

Perry say securing the border is a must.


124 posted on 11/03/2011 7:03:48 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: napscoordinator

No argument from me.


125 posted on 11/03/2011 7:04:03 PM PDT by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: mylife

Thanks!!!


126 posted on 11/03/2011 7:05:54 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: mylife

I want this problem with the illegals solved, that being that they cannot get into this country, and that they must leave. But I agree it seems to be a good thing that Perry wants to identify them as NON citizens. I like that.


127 posted on 11/03/2011 7:07:55 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Carry me back
‘We would hope. But so far, in a short period of time, he has brought up race 2 or more times.”
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And you disagree with this?

The reason the Left fear this man so much is because he is a successful, self-made, Black man. Do you not understand the threat this poses to the White Liberals in this country? This guy completely demolishes the 40+ year liberal lie that minorities cannot get along without their benevolence.

I think Cain is exactly correct when he said this is about his race. The Liberals treatment of this man is showing their racism pure and simple! It's high time the true racists were called out on it.

Oh, and Cain hasn't lost any support since this little slime-job began. As i mentioned, he's been taking in record Internet donations, and received a million in donations in a just a couple of days.

The Left are a bunch racists and should be called out on it!

128 posted on 11/03/2011 7:10:11 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: mylife

I hope he really means it. This situation has got to be stopped.


129 posted on 11/03/2011 7:10:50 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: mylife
We issue thousands of legal work visas to aliens who go through the legal petition and visa process.

Millions of work visas to illegal aliens already in the country, however, that relieve them of their need to depart the USA constitute a type of Amnesty.

Amnesties seem popular among stupid politicians. D students John McCain, Ted Kennedy and Ricky Perry all support such schemes. Perhaps because of limited reasoning powers, they cannot think beyond anecdotal tales of this or that hard-working illegal “who just wants a better life”, and cannot see the consequences of de-facto merging our homeland with the third world. Hence idiot statements about “having a heart” instead of serious policies.

130 posted on 11/03/2011 7:10:57 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Newt - The Adult in the Room.)
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To: UniqueViews

As for Cain, in the general election Obama would demolish him, so we’d end up with Obama. Great strategy.

I don’t know why you say that. Cain will be the winner in a general if ALL conservative vote for him. We easily make up 42 percent so we only need another 8.1 percent to win. Independents are sick of Obama and will vote at LEAST 8.1 percent. Hopefully you would vote for him even if you don’t support him now.


131 posted on 11/03/2011 7:11:38 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: napscoordinator

Most perry supporters on FR are also for amnesty. Like Bush and Perry they claim it’s not amnesty if the illegals have to pay a fine first.

But I’m with you, Perry is an idiot!!


132 posted on 11/03/2011 7:11:46 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: BobL
Just bring this up draws ILLEGALS here

i agree, no one should be talking about it until the border is secure, especially newt and his red card idea. However, I was a cop in both Texas and California, I know the fight, I know the true problems of illegal immigration and it's not them "stealing our jobs". It's describe the suspect: "5-9 120 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes". Then they run back to Mexico and then come back in a couple of weeks with a whole new name. There is no accountability for the illegals here or for the Federal Government and it is always the State and the citizens that suffer. We have to be able to track them and taking away the biggest reason to sneak in will help. Turning the border into a Military zone would help too and Perry is the only one running that has said that is what he intends to do.

133 posted on 11/03/2011 7:11:53 PM PDT by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: BobL
POOR BABY, AM I BOTHERING YOU???

Of course not. I was just trying to help by letting you know that you come off like a hysterical teenage girl.

But, maybe you are a hysterical teenage girl.

So, I'll just resume laughing at ya. :-D

134 posted on 11/03/2011 7:14:14 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Artcore

I have a problem with saying people are motivated by race when there aren’t facts to back that up. Maybe some of them are, but how can we know bringing up something about sex is because he is black ? That is a leap in the wrong direction imo.


135 posted on 11/03/2011 7:14:41 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: mylife

Not to illegals they don’t!


136 posted on 11/03/2011 7:16:12 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: txroadkill
Most illegals enter legally, total horse crap, you are endorsing this, in short you support perry because you support amnesty. Why do you not come clean and say so. And you can walk across the river in most places.
137 posted on 11/03/2011 7:18:52 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: free me

It really stuns me how liberal the Perry folks are. I have been stunned since Perry announced....well actually I thought let’s give this guy a look. But immediately during the first debate he seriously blew it and went liberal. I just don’t see how a person can support him. We have the best scenario of our lives (except Reagan time) to get a true conservative into the Presidency and they want to screw it up. I am just so stunned by this. Cain is a good man who has the leadership, morals, and ideals that we believe and they want to throw him overboard for a maybe moderate. It just does not make sense.


138 posted on 11/03/2011 7:20:31 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: txroadkill

The border should be turned into a military zone. Hopefully America can get its border back. I do agree with some of your thoughts. If we can identify them then we can possible do something with them.


139 posted on 11/03/2011 7:20:55 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: EGPWS

Straw man argument. You lose. Thanks for playing.


140 posted on 11/03/2011 7:22:04 PM PDT by steel_resolve
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To: Carry me back

If you see this proposal as step one in a process it is easier to understand why it is not a good thing. Politicians are all aware after their last attempt that “we the people” do NOT support amnesty- or even a path to citizenship for illegals. So those determined to help illegals now know they must get it done in increments. What seem like small concessions to illegals ALWAYS lead to bigger and bigger concessions. ALWAYS have and ALWAYS will.

We already have a LEGAL process for citizens of other countries to come here legally to work. We have a high unemployment rate among our own citizens and it has been shown that if illegals are taken out of jobs, citizens line up for the jobs. You have to ask yourself why Perry or anyone else would even propose givng illegals any sort of legitimacy to begin with.


141 posted on 11/03/2011 7:24:21 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: org.whodat

Agree that most illegals do not enter legally. Almost none I would say enter legally. But he makes good points about them doing illegal things and running back across the border. What does Cain want to do about the border ? Though at this point I don’t trust what Cain has to say.


142 posted on 11/03/2011 7:24:37 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: moonshinner_09

It’s not just the ones who are out of work. tens of millions more have had their incomes cut in order to compete with the illegals. It’s time that these unAmerican politicians like Perry hit the unemployment line.


143 posted on 11/03/2011 7:26:38 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: smokingfrog
" Temporary work visas have been around for a long time. Is there supposed to be something different about this? "

Nothing is wrong with granting temp work visas to anyone who wants to come here and work, the problem with Perry's proposal is ? he proposes to grant visas to Illegals.. that there is the problem.
144 posted on 11/03/2011 7:28:26 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Tammy8

I agree that most of the time the pols do things in increments and cannot be trusted. I don’t fully trust any of them. The problem I have is that we have millions of illegals here many working ect. What are we going to do about them short of putting them out ? are we just going to keep it like it is now ? Will the day then come when all of the millions are granted amnesty all at once ? Could what Perry is proposing be a stop gap until we can get rid of them ? I don’t know, but I don’t like the idea of them becoming citizens, period. Congress or a President could do that now and this country would be in big trouble. We have to find a way to stop it.


145 posted on 11/03/2011 7:31:48 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Carry me back
He said build the fence, and in the end he would agree to claymores between the fences. Simple you cross here you die, even an illegal with no education understands the concept.
146 posted on 11/03/2011 7:35:16 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: napscoordinator

It is stunning I agree. The main Perrybots are as vile and underhanded as he is.

Look at them now comparing Perry’s version of a “work visa” to actual work visas which connect and immigrant employee to a specific employer and when that relationship ends so does the visa.

They lie as easily as he does in claiming that the only alternative to amnesty is mass deportation. We all know and have long advocated for the enforcement of current laws, the denial of benefits and the use of E-verify to get the invaders to self deport.

Yet some scum perrybots, right here on this very thread, claim we must want to kill illegals if we don’t want amnesty.

Scum of the Earth liberal lying perrybots don’t care about the truth. They don’t care that failure to stop the invasion means the end of that “great experiment” America.

They are idiots and yes I am stunned.


147 posted on 11/03/2011 7:36:56 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: mylife
" It is a work visa, not amnesty. Country’s the world over issue them. "

Yes, that's right, to those who enter their countries legally.
Wonder what those countries do if you enter illegally and then try to get a work visa ?

Nice try supporting La Raza Perry, but it was a failed attempted.
148 posted on 11/03/2011 7:39:09 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: org.whodat

They are ILLEGAL lovers pure and simple org. The senor ricarrdo hussein perrynista ‘perryTINKLES’ supporters agree with these criminal invaders of our Nation!! They WANT it. They are no conservatives by any definition.


149 posted on 11/03/2011 7:39:24 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: moonshinner_09

I thought Joe Allbaugh was hired to help Perry fix his campaign and go on the attack against other candidates, not allow Perry to dig the Grand Canyon....


150 posted on 11/03/2011 7:41:10 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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