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Perry endorses work visas for illegal immigrants
Las Vegas Sun ^ | Nov. 3, 2011 | The Associated Press

Posted on 11/03/2011 5:24:19 PM PDT by moonshinner_09

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says America should extend work visas to allow illegal immigrants to move freely between the U.S. and their home countries _ but opposes a path to citizenship.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alien; aliens; amnesty; clueless; criminals; duplicate; heartless; idiot; illegals; immigration; migrantworkers; moron; perry; perry4amnesty; perry4illegals; perrylovesillegals; rino; workvisa
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To: mylife

It is illegal to hire someone not present in the country legally.

E-verify is a free tool to help employers comply with the law.

E-verify takes the onus of determining whether a person can legally be hired off the business and puts it on the FEDS.


251 posted on 11/03/2011 9:14:40 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: mylife
This country used to have a work program for mexicans, they were called Brasseros. It didn't work, all it did was open the door for thousands, and eventually millions, of illegals to come streaming into the country with everyone assuming they had a work permit. It took jobs away from American migrant workers(look it up)and the only ones who benefited were farmers who were able to have virtual slaves for less than minimum wage and they treated the workers like dirt. The program was finally ended but many people today don't remember it so they think it would be a good idea to do it again.

Perry is a total idiot for saying and advocating this. I am sure he must remember, or at least be aware of, the old Brasseros program.

252 posted on 11/03/2011 9:18:16 PM PDT by calex59
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To: txroadkill
You want to surrender the Rio Grande to Mexico but make it ok because you can put in a pipe.

Some people, given a choice between "building a fence" and "securing the border" will choose "build the fence".

Even where it's a bad idea.

Like along a river passing through an arid to semi-arid area.

For guidance, perhaps we should check out how the Israelis secure the River Jordan border between Jordan and the West Bank.

It's not a fence. It's a series of armed outposts, connected by a road.

Blocking access to a river coursing through a semi-arid landscape will inconvenience only your own citizens. While enabling the citizens of the country on the opposite bank.

253 posted on 11/03/2011 9:18:43 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: UniqueViews
Take it up with Palin, I merely posted her statements verbatim.

I merely pointed out your hypocrisy you are giving a pass to Palin for being for a path to citizenship for illegal aliens, while bashing Perry for giving them work visas without a path to citizenship.

It's what VP running mates do.

You can post Palin's interview with Univision until you're blue in the face, but the fact is, she was stating John McCain's position on the matter - not her own.

Pull up some of Palin's statements about illegal immigration, after she left the McCain campaign. World of difference.

254 posted on 11/03/2011 9:19:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: free me

No, it places a fine of over 110K on average, on the American businessman.

And the Feds will tell us when we are in compliance or violation for a matter that is THEIR JOB.


255 posted on 11/03/2011 9:23:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: calex59
Perry is a total idiot for saying and advocating this. I am sure he must remember, or at least be aware of, the old Brasseros program.

He's old enough to remember, and it was "Bracero" and it was a huge magnet for illegals, even though it was not intended to be. Lots of folks decided to stick around after they should have left, and ironically, Texas was opposed to the program if I recall, because they just wanted an open border situation. Place was run by Democrats back then, no surprise.
256 posted on 11/03/2011 9:23:34 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: okie01

Perry proposes the same plan.

You cant waste time out in the Negev desert.


257 posted on 11/03/2011 9:25:30 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: calex59

I haven’t picked blueberry for 4c a pint in a very long time.


258 posted on 11/03/2011 9:28:20 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: calex59

I recall when I was a child, the migrants would come to Ohio to pick the crop that even us kids didn’t want to deal with.

I don’t recall any crime or drugs, and the migrants returned home upon completion of harvest.

Something has changed since those days and that something is amnesty.

Perry is not proposing amnesty.
In fact he REJECTS IT


259 posted on 11/03/2011 9:35:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: moonshinner_09

He keeps talking like that, the MSM will drop Mitt and go all out for Rick!


260 posted on 11/03/2011 9:36:02 PM PDT by matthew fuller (9-9-9 ? Just say No! No! No!)
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To: mylife

There is no fine.

You just can’t stop lying can you?

Well, at least it’s fun watching your dirt-bag candidate that you lie for crash and burn.

After all you put into him, all the lies, all the effort, all the money.

All that and your moron of a candidate can’t break 8%.

I sure am enjoying it!


261 posted on 11/03/2011 9:38:37 PM PDT by free me (heartless)
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To: mylife
Perry proposes the same plan.

And he's right. I support him on that one.

But I can't brook being called "heartless" -- straight out of the liberal playbook.

262 posted on 11/03/2011 9:38:55 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Windflier
Most Illegals entered legally but have over stayed their VISA

That doesn't sound credible to me, and I doubt there are any studies to back that up. From what I've observed (having lived in the southwest US my whole life), most illegals from south of the border came here illegally to begin with.

Keep in mind it's about a definition. People walk across the border daily saying they are only here to shop and never leave. They come in on Airplanes saying they are coming to visit family or going to Disney World and then just disappear. The question is were they inspected? Way more than half were and then just slipped away.

From a House hearing in 2006 where the estimates were at that time the numbers were 30-40% pre-9/11. After 9/11 USCIS slowed everything down and the numbers sky rocketed just because they have gone into a serious backlog so people whose VISAs would have probably been extended anyway are expiring and there is nothing they nor the Government can do about it right now.

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa27480.000/hfa27480_0f.htm

This is from 2010

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/10/20100510illegal-immigrants-overstay.html#ixzz0ndkoS9w

Nobody knows the actual numbers, the best anyone can do is guess.

The bottom line is there is no one even looking for them. ICE is seriously undermanned so all they do is look for the criminals that they have deportation orders for and every once in a while Obama will put on a show and send them out to some shoe factory and round up a bunch of them to make the news. Local LEO's are barred from enforcing immigration and even if they weren't they have no way of knowing if someone is here illegally unless they tell them. All they can do is put them on an ID hold and wait for them to tell the truth.

263 posted on 11/03/2011 9:39:00 PM PDT by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: UniqueViews

lol.

looks like you didn’t read it


264 posted on 11/03/2011 9:43:30 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: okie01

That was a major screw up.


265 posted on 11/03/2011 9:45:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: BobL

Yeah, and her overnight battery charge, (heck with the wall plug in action....she needs it NOW, where ricarrdo is concerned right), is complete at 6 AM. The pix of LaRaza ricky will do the trick again next morning......you know who I am talking about....GROUPIE # one here for LITTLE RICKY.


266 posted on 11/03/2011 9:47:06 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: mylife

You can buy bullets for less than $1.


267 posted on 11/03/2011 9:53:45 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: moonshinner_09; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; mkjessup; indylindy; sickoflibs; LMAO

FURP!!!! RINO!!!!


268 posted on 11/03/2011 10:00:33 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: katiedidit1

Perry is a RINO traitor just like Jorge Bush and Juan McCain.


269 posted on 11/03/2011 10:02:01 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: tdscpa

I get them for way less, than that and I have patrolled the border as a free citizen.

But Perry is right, this is a Fed issue not a states issue let alone an issue that Texas citizens need to handle for the country.

Jim Gilchrist got shut down for the same philosophy.

What amazes me is folks in Peoria criticizing Perry and Texans on this issue.

We do plenty.


270 posted on 11/03/2011 10:06:40 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tdscpa

So Texans should buy bullets and whack illegals so they can be prosecuted by the fed?


271 posted on 11/03/2011 10:08:42 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
That was a major screw up.

Fundamentally, it's the source of all his problems.

When challenged, Perry could've explained that in-state tuition had been overwhelmingly approved by the legislature and, thus, represented the will of the Texas people.

He could've said that the federal government's failure to do its duty left the state with a problem -- several million illegal alien residents -- that, as governor, he had to deal with. And that if three years of residence and graduation from a Texas high school was the prerequisite for in-state tuition, it should be applied equally.

He could've said these things -- and conservatives would have understood his reasoning. Well, most of us, anyway.

Instead, the governor -- whom I've voted for three times (plus primaries) -- chose to attack us as somehow "heartless". He could've recognized the opposing argument as principled and treated it with respect. He didn't; he demeaned those who disagreed with him. He lashed out like a liberal -- with an ad hominem attack.

In doing so, he revealed a window to his soul. I've often described the governor as a "conservative politician, not a conservative". Maybe just "politician" would be sufficient...

At least he didn't pander -- as he has to La Raza. I'll never vote for the man again.

272 posted on 11/03/2011 10:25:58 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: moonshinner_09

From the article: “He also said the program would only work if the federal government first does a better job securing America’s borders.”


273 posted on 11/03/2011 10:26:03 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: mylife
Obama says he will bring home about 43,000 troops from Iraq and Afghanistan in December.

Should he just add them to the unemployment rolls? Or put half of them to work hunting down the OWS crowd, and the other half on our southern border?

274 posted on 11/03/2011 10:42:39 PM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Carry me back

Right. That’s why the well-paying construction industry is filled with illegals. During Hurricane Katrina cleanup, American crews went down to work, and were turned away so that illegals could work. With so little construction being done now, Americans have all but been driven out completely.


275 posted on 11/03/2011 10:59:50 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("I didn't realize there were so many women named Anonymous in the country."-Herman Cain)
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To: justsaynomore

What would Cain — what did Cain - do about the $150 million worth of tomatoes and cucumbers that rotted in the fields in Georgia this summer?

No, lets go back to the point that Sarah Palin and Governor Perry have touched on - What would Cain do about the 12- 30 million illegal aliens already here?

(I’d send them home to start the process for the work visa, btw.)


276 posted on 11/03/2011 11:02:30 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: hocndoc

“What would Cain — what did Cain - do about the $150 million worth of tomatoes and cucumbers that rotted in the fields in Georgia this summer?”

Hire teens. Other workers. If they couldn’t find any, put the prisoners to work.


277 posted on 11/03/2011 11:04:30 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Pray for Herman Cain)
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To: BobL

I just heard today that employers in CALIFORNIA are voluntarily using E-Verify in great numbers.


278 posted on 11/03/2011 11:11:28 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("I didn't realize there were so many women named Anonymous in the country."-Herman Cain)
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To: moonshinner_09

The main reason is that we don’t live in a police state and are only asked for our papers when the policeman has probable cause or reasonable suspicion (or whatever the lawyer’s jargon is) that a(nother) crime has been or was being committed.

Nevertheless, Texas passed our no-drivers’ license for illegals this year - since the legislature only meets every 2 years for 4 months, it takes a while to get a law through - another reason Texas is great.


279 posted on 11/03/2011 11:17:22 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: BobL; mylife; shield

How would you get rid of them? How would your boss get rid of them?

The original story contained no details about the work visa program, other than it would only come after fully securing the border.

However, don’t visas have to be obtained in the home country? Are there any that can be obtained in the visited country?


280 posted on 11/03/2011 11:18:21 PM PDT by hocndoc (WingRight.org Have mustard seed: Will use. Cut spending, cut spending, cut spending, now,now,now!)
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To: tdscpa

Totally off-topic, but I heard on the radio they will be transferring to various bases around Iran. I heard Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Oman(?), and Qatar for starters.


281 posted on 11/03/2011 11:26:03 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("I didn't realize there were so many women named Anonymous in the country."-Herman Cain)
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To: moonshinner_09

If this is true stick a fork in him he is DONE.


282 posted on 11/03/2011 11:28:40 PM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Cain is the Harriet Tubman of our time leading blacks off the Democratic plantation to freedom)
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To: Warrior Nurse

Why? This is the equivalent of the Bracero Program. Surely you have heard about that! It worked great then Carter decided to do away with it when he was President... that was a huge mistake. In a program like this they come here — without their families — work the fields and then return home until the next season...


283 posted on 11/03/2011 11:31:59 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: okie01

At least Perry said he misspoke and apologized for saying that, I haven’t heard Cain apologize for calling him a racist because his father leased land with a rock that once had a negative term painted on it when they leased the land and immediately painted over...Perry seems able to say “I screwed up”... I like that about him, because none of us are perfect and we all screw up.


284 posted on 11/03/2011 11:34:28 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I haven’t heard Cain apologize for calling him a racist

Cain never called Perry a racist. Instead, he agreed with his interviewer that the name on the rock was "insensitive".

A mistaken response, to be sure, but well short of "racist".

And, the very next day, upon hearing the whole story -- including the part about the rock being painted over, then turned over -- he publicly apologized to Perry.

Perry accepted.

You apparently missed that part...

285 posted on 11/03/2011 11:52:20 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Operation Wetback( not trying to offend that is what is was called) worked too but that doesn’t mean that it would work today. Even the name would not work. The Bracero Program spawned Operation W. Our Northern and Southern boarders are in a sad state worse then during the Bracero Program since we were in World War 2 and needed the labor that is why FDR commissioned the program. I submit to you labor is not a problem the availability of jobs is. They had control with a max of 444,000 in 1957. Now the states and for that matter the country cannot handle the extra influx of people. The government has not been able to control anything and do you actually trust the feds to conduct this mass immigration with out corruption? So what happens when the participants fade into illegal activity or worse commit terrorist acts?


286 posted on 11/04/2011 12:10:34 AM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Cain is the Harriet Tubman of our time leading blacks off the Democratic plantation to freedom)
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To: Carry_Okie

How typical.

You didn’t read the article.


287 posted on 11/04/2011 2:02:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks moonshinner_09.


288 posted on 11/04/2011 3:09:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: moonshinner_09

If they have work visas, they are not illegal., and have been ID’d. Not a problem.


289 posted on 11/04/2011 3:24:20 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: smokingfrog

Yes, the Perry bashers are here. Note the headline. If you have a work visa you are not illegal.


290 posted on 11/04/2011 3:26:29 AM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: moonshinner_09

Perry continues to demonstrate why he is unfit to be President. He so brazenly and openly advocates violating our nations laws. Of all the people the President should always advocate vociferously upholding the law’s of the land. If he should get elected then everyone should be able to obey or disobey any law s/he chooses to. After all what is good for the goose is good for the gander, isn’t it!? Perry is shameless!!


291 posted on 11/04/2011 3:42:47 AM PDT by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: Politicalmom

“I just heard today that employers in CALIFORNIA are voluntarily using E-Verify in great numbers.”

According to one clown on this thread, they’re probably all getting fined for using it. LOL.


292 posted on 11/04/2011 4:15:44 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: hocndoc

“How would you get rid of them? “

STOP CODDLING THEM. This country is 230 years old. For most of that time we were a much wealthier nation than Mexico. This Illegal problem only started 30 years ago when we started CODDLING THEM, be it through court rulings, government programs ‘looking the other way’, subsidized tuition.

So, make life uncomfortable for them, and THEY WILL LEAVE, just like they started leaving Alabama, after they took some SMALL STEPS in that direction.

It seems that you guys are here to simply repeat the same garbage over and over.


293 posted on 11/04/2011 4:20:54 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Gingrich is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL
So, make life uncomfortable for them, and THEY WILL LEAVE, just like they started leaving Alabama, after they took some SMALL STEPS in that direction.

AKA, make them self-deport. A win-win for America and tax payers.

294 posted on 11/04/2011 4:52:57 AM PDT by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: Ron H.

“AKA, make them self-deport. A win-win for America and tax payers. “

It certainly worked under Ike. They’ll do it again, once they realize that there’s no more gold up north.

But the Perry clowns will continue to try to convince us that it will NEVER happen. I guess their think is that the Illegals will stay put and starve to death?


295 posted on 11/04/2011 4:58:05 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: BobL
But the Perry clowns will continue to try to convince us that it will NEVER happen. I guess their think is that the Illegals will stay put and starve to death?

I've found that there is no discussing logic with the Perrywinkles. They refuse to listen to reason or logic. They are like a spoiled child, they only know what they want and they want it now and consequences be damned.

296 posted on 11/04/2011 5:01:19 AM PDT by Ron H. (Conservatives have the Tea Party. The Liberals have the Pee Party.)
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To: moonshinner_09

This was Palin’s position.


297 posted on 11/04/2011 5:03:30 AM PDT by moose-matson (I keep it in my head)
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To: moonshinner_09
This guy really is a Dunce, isn't he.

Note to LaRaza Rick.
When you're in a hole -- STOP digging.

298 posted on 11/04/2011 5:05:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Ron H.

Don’t bother thinking we’ll make headway with the Perrybots, they’re mostly paid hacks and most people on this site already know that. What we’re doing now is speaking to the other 99.9% of FReepers...so we’ll keep at it, and at least neutralize them.


299 posted on 11/04/2011 5:06:30 AM PDT by BobL (A vote for Perry is a vote for Romney)
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To: Waryone

I think the last 20 or 30 years that Americans have probably not had enough children. Many Americans go to college today and get better paying jobs. There seems to be a need for the more labor intensive work. Yes illegals will work for less, but that is probably needed in some buisnesses. Look around at all the illegals working right now. Don’t you think if Americans really wanted to do that work that A- the illegals would not have been hired to start with. Most Americans have a certain sense of entitlement today that the illegals do not have. They make better employees a lot of the time. That is why people are letting them work.

I’m all for putting them out and securing the border. Nobody is harder on that than I am. I think we should get them out of here. Simple, Americans need to have more children and the border needs to be secured. Plus deport them.


300 posted on 11/04/2011 5:09:34 AM PDT by Carry me back
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