Skip to comments.Perry endorses work visas for illegal immigrants
Posted on 11/03/2011 5:24:19 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
Texas Gov. Rick Perry says America should extend work visas to allow illegal immigrants to move freely between the U.S. and their home countries _ but opposes a path to citizenship.
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He is clueless..
Perry the rino (Bush back again) is an awful candidate whose liberal policies on immigration are only exceeded by Romney, he liberal democrat. Both are supported by liberal rinos and democrats.
I like the idea of cutting off all benefits to illegals and deporting all that can be identified better.
I know that Tony Snow wrote Myths and Facts on illegals when he served as President Bush’s press secretary...wonder if Perry’s views are similiar?
May 18, 2007
Myth/Fact: Ten Key Myths About the Border Security and Immigration Reform Agreement
White House News
1. MYTH: This is amnesty.
FACT: Amnesty is the forgiveness of an offense without penalty. This proposal is not amnesty because illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law, pay a $1,000 fine, and undergo criminal background checks to obtain a Z visa granting temporary legal status.
FACT: To apply for a green card at a date years into the future, Z visa workers must wait in line behind those who applied lawfully, pay an additional $4,000 fine, complete accelerated English requirements, leave the U.S. and file their application in their home country, and demonstrate merit based on the skills and attributes they will bring to the United States.
FACT: Workers approved for Z visas will be given a temporary legal status, but they will not enjoy the full privileges of citizens or Legal Permanent Residents, such as welfare benefits and the ability to sponsor relatives abroad as immigrants.
2. MYTH: This proposal repeats the mistakes of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act.
FACT: The 1986 Act failed because it provided amnesty for 3 million immigrants, did not adequately secure borders, did not include a workable employer verification system, and created no legal avenue to meet the labor needs of the American economy.
FACT: This proposal addresses every one of the shortcomings from 1986:
No Amnesty: Illegal workers must acknowledge that they broke the law and pay a fine to be eligible for a Z visa.
Border Security: Border security benchmarks must be met before the Z visa and temporary worker programs go into effect. These triggers include: constructing 370 miles of fencing and 200 miles of vehicle barriers at the border and increasing the size of the Border Patrol to 18,000 agents.
Employer Verification System: An Employment Eligibility Verification System must be ready to process new hires before the Z visa and temporary worker programs go into effect.
Temporary Worker Program: A temporary worker program will relieve pressure on the border and provide a lawful way to meet the needs of our economy.
FACT: The 1986 Act offered green cards after just 18 months, but under this proposal, green card applicants must meet a number of responsibilities something which will take most candidates more than a decade.
3. MYTH: The government will not and cannot meet its promise to crack down on the hiring of illegal workers.
FACT: Before the Z visa and temporary worker programs go into effect, an Employment Eligibility Verification System (EEVS) must be in place and ready to prevent unauthorized workers from obtaining jobs in the United States.
FACT: Employers will be required to verify the work eligibility of all employees using the EEVS, and all workers will be required to present stronger and more readily verifiable identification documents. Tough new anti-fraud measures will be implemented to restrict fraud and identity theft.
FACT: Employers who hire illegal workers will face stiff new criminal and civil penalties. For example, the maximum criminal penalty for a pattern or practice of hiring illegals will increase 25-fold, from $3,000 per alien to $75,000 per alien.
4. MYTH: This proposal would cut in half the amount of fence authorized by the Secure Fence Act of 2006.
FACT: The Secure Fence Act of 2006 which authorized the construction of hundreds of miles of additional fencing; more vehicle barriers, checkpoints, and lighting; and increased use of advanced technology will remain unchanged.
FACT: At least half of the additional fencing authorized by the Secure Fence Act must be built before the temporary worker program and Z visa could go into effect.
5. MYTH: The trigger period will cause a rush to the border.
FACT: To be eligible to apply for a Z visa, illegal immigrants must prove they were in the country prior to January 1, 2007.
FACT: Anyone caught crossing the border after the new law passes will be fingerprinted and permanently barred from receiving work or tourist visas from the U.S., creating a strong disincentive to illegal immigration.
6. MYTH: By providing an opportunity for citizenship to illegal immigrants already here, the bill will exponentially increase extended-family chain migration.
FACT: The proposal reforms our immigration system to create a new balance between family connections and our national interests and economic needs.
FACT: Visas for parents of U.S. citizens are being capped, while visas for siblings and adult children are eliminated.
FACT: To help keep our economy competitive, a new merit-based system similar to those used by other countries will give preference to attributes that further our national interest such as: job offers in high-demand fields, ability to speak English, and education.
7. MYTH: The temporary worker program is bad for American workers.
FACT: The temporary worker program relieves pressure on the border and meets our economic needs by allowing workers to enter the country to fill jobs that Americans are not doing.
FACT: The program protects American workers by requiring U.S. employers to advertise the job in the United States at a competitive wage before hiring a temporary worker.
FACT: To ensure “temporary” means “temporary,” workers are limited to three two-year terms, with at least a year spent outside the United States between each term.
FACT: A cap of 400,000 is set on the program, which can be adjusted up or down in the future depending on demand.
8. MYTH: Illegal immigrants will come out of the shadows and on to the welfare rolls.
FACT: Z visa workers are not entitled to welfare, Food Stamps, SSI, non-emergency Medicaid, or other programs and privileges enjoyed by U.S. citizens and some Legal Permanent Residents.
FACT: In order to apply for and maintain Z visa status, workers must remain employed.
9. MYTH: Government agencies will not be able to share information to pursue immigration violators.
FACT: Under this proposal, there will be unprecedented information sharing between Federal, State, and local agencies to ensure that immigration laws are respected and enforced.
FACT: The new Employment Eligibility Verification System, which employers will be required to use for all employees, will rely on unprecedented information sharing across Federal and State databases, including Social Security records, passport and visa records, and State driver’s licenses.
FACT: For Z visa applicants, DHS has authority to share information with law enforcement about terrorist aliens, security risks, and criminal aliens, including aliens who lie on their applications and aliens who commit fraud.
FACT: Under this proposal, DHS will receive Social Security Administration “no match” information on individuals and information on multiple uses of the same social security number by more than one individual.
10. MYTH: Senators are being asked to vote Monday on a lengthy bill that they will not have time to read.
FACT: Monday’s vote is only a procedural vote to bring the bill to the floor for debate, not a vote on the bill itself.
FACT: This bill is the product of months of extraordinary negotiations between Senators from both parties and Cabinet-level officials.
Can we PLEASE all agree once and for all that this guy is an idiot? PLEASE!! Because he is. There is no way that the Perry lovers can give this a pass. I just don’t see that happening. Even they know this is a stupid move on Perry’s part.
NO NO NO and NO
I'm still undecided however this article doesn't state anything worthy of making a decision over.
What would be appropriate for Perry to say, kill them or what?
What say YOU on how to handle it Mr. Kenobe?
Can we move this to the sidebar?
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That is an idiotic thing to state with all due respect.
Exactly. I’m through voting. The Republicans can’t seem to field a candidate I can trust re crimigration. Screw ‘em.
Temporary visas without a path to citizenship? That’s a horrible plan. If they don’t want to become Americans why are they here?
I’d rather admit only those who plan to stay, not those who shuttle back and forth over the border.
Temporary work visas have been around for a long time. Is there supposed to be something different about this?
He’s done if this is true. Screw work permits for the parasites. I’m tired of perry the fool. Looks like third party for me now.
Typically I could see you saying that depending on what the subject was. But this is seriously what you support? By supporting Perry you are saying that you think this is a great idea.......I just can’t believe anybody would find this a great idea. I guess you are the one. INCREDIBLE!!!!
I wonder what our Founders would think about America granting visas for people to come to do our work, never having a path to citizenship? I think the ones who supported slavery might think it was OK.
My simple plan: Crack down on the employers. Make them use instant verification (it's optional now). An employer who skirts the rules should be liable for criminal prosecution and serious fines. In other words, get rid of the honey pot. Secondly, for certain seasonal jobs, contract with foreign companies to provide labor. If the company "loses" too many employees, it loses its contract. Anyone on a work visa can't remain for more than six months at a time. Canada has a program something like this and it seems to work well. My suspicion is that there would be more than a little opposition from Republicans and Democrats, however.
That's not what he said less than 90 days ago.
But just to be clear: if border security is accomplished, you can envision some sort of path to citizenship for people who are here illegally.
Rick Perry: Sure.
There is a very good reason why Perry is polling in single digits and still dropping.
Here is why Perry is right.
Its all about getting them on record.
Here is how it works now.
If an illegal that "swam across the Rio" gets pulled over in Texas and they don't have a Driver's License or any other form of ID they are going to be booked with an ID hold. That means that they will not be released until their identity is proven. There are only two ways to do that, finger prints or someone with proper ID has to either bring them their ID or has to be able to credibly vouch for them under penalty of perjury. All a cop or jailer can do is ask, 'are you an American?' If they are here illegally and have never had contact with Law enforcement in the US their prints will not be on file, they also are not going to have anyone come and get them because they will provide proof that they are here illegally. So we are left with them either telling the truth or lying. If they tell the truth we can turn them over to ICE, if they lie, we can not turn someone who claims to be an American citizen over to ICE no matter how much our gut tells us they are lying. So now they are here, stuck in jail and we have to wait until they decide jail sucks and then tell the truth. The problem with that is that jail is usually better than their village in Mexico or whatever hell hole they are from.
Most Illegals entered legally but have over stayed their VISA but unless USCIS has put out a warrant or deportation notice on them Law Enforcement will have no way of knowing they are here illegally. A worker ID system would change that. There would be a system to track them and ID them and deport them. However, it is all useless unless we secure the border first.
Yes! Rick Perry single handedly INVENTED illegal immigration!
I just knew that had to be it!
Does he want his poll numbers to go to ZERO.......Romney is no better.
I dig your tag!
“Crack down on the employers.”
That’s like locking the barn door after the horses have been stolen.
Once they are in the country it is much more difficult to get them out.
What should happen is this: anyone can pay 20k for a green card to enter and work in the US. They can then, if they choose to do so, remain in the country.
No access to welfare or to EBT cards, or any form of social assistance.
If you don’t pay at the border on entry, you can’t come in. If you’re caught on the other side without your card, you have to be immediately deported.
Any immigrant worth his salt would be able to pay that to enter, this would help pay for border security. If you want fewer people to immigrate, raise the price until you have the number of people that you want.
This is far better than the current system.
Just IMAGINE the draw of illegals to this country if Perry was ever to REWARD them with being allowed to work legally.
If he does that, then it’s basically Amnesty, but without the right to vote - that is until the Supreme Court considers that policy unfair, and MANDATES their right to become citizens and vote.
If Perry doesn’t support Amnesty, he sure as hell is doing everything possible to effect the same thing.
wow. So his plan to control the border is to let them all in and then we won’t have to worry about borders any more?
Cut off the welfare benefits, free schools and make them pay back their ER visits. Then use e-verify to cut off the taking of US jobs.
That would do it.
“Yes! Rick Perry single handedly INVENTED illegal immigration!”
Don’t even TRY to defend this stunt by Perry, people are really, really, angry at this point.
(I know, it’s your job, but there are other careers available, for anyone)
Perry's plan is no different from what Palin laid out last year on the O'Reilly Factor.
Most of the candidates won't say why they'll do with those illegals already here. I've seen Romney asked directly and he dodged, focusing on security at the border instead.
The only thing they might be denied is the right to vote, and if this idiotic plan were ever implemented, how long before the next pandering president and Congress decided to extend voting rights? - And, in the meantime, the next umpteen millions of illegals will be entering the country to wait for the next idiot plan from the next idiotic politician.
Perry is a joke; a very bad joke.
I guess you missed this part:
“ FACT: To apply for a green card at a date years into the future, Z visa workers must wait in line behind those who applied lawfully, pay an additional $4,000 fine, complete accelerated English requirements, leave the U.S. and file their application in their home country, and demonstrate merit based on the skills and attributes they will bring to the United States.”
It is a work visa, not amnesty.
Country’s the world over issue them.
They should do that BEFORE they get admitted to the country. Not AFTER.
Thank you for the MYTHS and FACTS. It seems we have people who want to blame Bush without even knowing what his proposal was.
Illegal Entitlement Is Not An Option
Apr 19, 2006
The movement to grant amnesty and eventual U.S. citizenship to some 12 million illegal aliens has turned the issue from the sounds of silence to the sounds of entitlement.
The entitlement mentality did not begin in America, but it has flourished here in the last century. The American claim on entitlements to health care, retirement income and seemingly any right one can conceive was birthed from the womb of Franklin Roosevelts New Deal, reared by Kennedys New Frontier and came of age in Johnsons Great Society. U.S. citizens, fanned by the flames of those who encourage class warfare, are increasing their demands for government-redistributed income and programs that guarantee outcomes, not opportunities. Non-citizens are now voicing the sounds of entitlement to an easy road to citizenship.
The entitlement attitude that has been ingrained in millions of Americans has blinded them to the ineffectiveness and runaway costs of their favorite programs. The fiscal challenge in meeting the future demands of the Medicare and Medicaid programs is well documented, as is the coming bankruptcy of the Social Security system. Yet few elected officials dare to even utter those programs names in public for fear of electoral retaliation.
Too many Americans also claim an entitlement to additional health care coverage from their employers. If they do not receive health care as a benefit, they believe the government should mandate it. The Maryland state legislature last year enacted a law requiring companies with over 10,000 employees to contribute 8 percent of total payroll to employees health care. The legislature is now looking at ways to require all employers, including non-profit organizations, to pay a percentage of their employees health care costs. Other states are considering the same plan.
Illegal aliens know they can receive free health care in hospital emergency rooms, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. A little publicized provision in the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act set aside $250 million in taxpayer dollars to reimburse hospitals for costs associated with treating illegal aliens. In a twist of logic only Congress could conceive, hospitals are barred from asking an emergency room patient if they are in the U.S. illegally. The long-run cost of this provision will surely skyrocket as hospitals continue to submit claims on coverage of people who may be illegal aliens.
Illegal aliens living and working in the U.S. have now co-opted the entitlement mentality present in too many Americans. Worse, their demands for the right to vote, guaranteed by our Constitution to citizens only, and access to social services are encouraged by elected officials trying to buy their future votes. At recent rallies Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY), to name just two, argued that illegal aliens must be allowed to remain in the U.S. and put on the path toward full citizenship rights. In other words, lets skip the illegal part.
In addition to demands for voting rights, health care coverage and U.S. citizenship, many illegal aliens feel they are entitled to U.S. soil itself. Two groups that have helped organize the illegal alien rallies across the country, the Aztlan Movement and the Mexica Movement, believe it is American citizens who are in fact on their continent illegally. The Aztlan Movement seeks to create a separate nation comprised of northern Mexico and parts of the American Southwest, including California, Arizona and New Mexico. Members of the Mexica Movement, who waved signs at recent rallies that read This Is Our Continent, Not Yours, seek to completely remove Americans from North America and surrender control of the U.S. to Mexico.
The entitlement and class warfare mentality fostered for a century by liberal presidents, congressional leaders, labor union leaders and heads of liberal organizations in fact obscures their real goal. They seek complete government control of our lives and our businesses, which ultimately can only be achieved with your vote. Since the inception of the income tax code in 1913, to the birth of the Social Security system in 1935 and the programs that have followed, the end goal is always bigger government. It is also important to remember that those who occupy the positions of power will try to achieve their goal by any means possible. If it takes convincing the public that our planet is somehow warming because we drive cars with the air conditioner running, then so be it. If it takes increasing entitlement spending programs to 100 percent of the federal budget, so be it. Whatever it takes.
The United States would never have become the United States had the litany of entitlement programs and the unnatural attitudes they foster been in place in the 1800s and early 1900s. This was the time when newly freed slaves struck out to work on achieving their own dreams, when American expansion and settlement headed west, and when millions of Europeans crossed the Atlantic for a hard but better life. The only thing promised was abundant opportunity, given in exchange for assimilation and adherence to the rule of law.
We must demand that our president and Congress secure our borders and our sovereignty as a nation of laws and citizen rights. To those who enter this country legally, welcome to America. Illegal entitlement is not an option.
Perry is a La Raza surrender monkey. No sale.
You mean it was OK for Sarah Palin to say it, it didn’t diminish conservatives worshipping her, but if Perry says it, he is “an idiot”? Consistency is not your strong suit, is is?
Source: Univision Interview with Sarah Palin, by Jorge Ramos Oct 26, 2008
Q: Should undocumented immigrants all should be deported?
A: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant - there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants - not only economically is that just an impossibility but that’s not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue.
Q: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 million undocumented immigrants?
A: No, I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. We have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.
Q: So you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants?
A: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.
I think you invented a cool word.
Apples and oranges.
We are discussing work visa’s not amnesty.
What is Cains view on work visa’s?
“It is a work visa, not amnesty.
Countrys the world over issue them.”
Give it up, he’s INDEFENSIBLE on this stunt. We all know this will lead to a HUGE general amnesty.
kitkat, I have read and reread the myths and facts and I do agree with them. It appears to me that IF this had been enacted we would not be in the mess we are in today...also, I loved Tony Snowe
I don’t see support for work visas anywhere in your post about Palin. Palin is a moral person with integrity. Perry is not.
It's work visas for the millions and millions of illegal aliens who've come into this nation illegally since the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty of 1986.
And, NO, countries do not do that the world over.
Yep,thy were around for people that entered the country legally.
They said the same thing about illegals getting drivers licenses.There would be a system to track them and ID them.Someone has to explain this one: precisely how is an illegal alien driving in Manassas on a suspended license?
A Manassas man faces DUI charges after police said they stopped his car for a traffic infraction in Manassas on Saturday afternoon.
Officers pulled over Guillermo Galicia in the area of Byrd Drive and Beech Place, in the Georgetown South neighborhood, at 3:10 p.m. and reportedly determined that he was driving while intoxicated, Manassas police Sgt. Eddie Rivera said.
Galicia, 34, of 9423 Taney Road, was charged with driving under the influence of alcohol, driving while suspended and was cited for no use of seatbelts with a juvenile, Rivera said.
He is being held at the Prince William County Adult Detention Center and will be turned over to the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers after criminal proceedings are complete, police said.
“What is Cains view on work visas?”
So you’re saying that Cain is ready to give Illegals that ARE HERE work visas?
Who is this Perry person?
You must have missed this article posted by Cincinatus’ Wife:
Perry Claims He Can Secure Border in One Year as President
“As the president of the United States, I am against the DREAM Act. I will shut that border down because I have had to deal with it for 10 years. I understand. I am putting Texas Rangers and National Guard, I am putting Texas citizens on the line over there, they are being fired at. Thank God none of them have been killed yet. But the fact is, I know how to secure that border. When I am the president, that border will be secure. And these issues that we have been forced to deal with as governors, will start being alleviated. And then we can have a decent, a thoughtful and economically focused conversation about immigration policy.
HANNITY: So you think you could secure the border in what period of time if you’re president?
PERRY: I think you can do it within a year. I mean, seriously, within a year”
Get back to me when you can tell me Cains stance on work visa’s.
Palin was going to give them amnesty, Perry is only for work visas, without a path to citizenship.
Maybe you need to read the excerpt again, to let it sink in.
Palin ain’t running!
Not in the millions and not without tightly controlled restrictions. Perry has just promised a free pass to citizenship to lawbreakers that shouldn't be here in the first place. To HELL with that.
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