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Denver Collects Fines On Drivers Who Stop At Red Lights
CBS Denver ^ | November 3, 2011 | CBS Denver

Posted on 11/04/2011 9:11:11 AM PDT by re_tail20

The city of Denver is bringing in thousands of dollars in fines every year by ticketing people who stop at red lights. They are ticketed because their tire goes over the white line that marks where the vehicle should stop.

The red light cameras at various intersections in the city will flash and the driver will be sent a $75 citation if the vehicle goes over the white line, even if the driver stops for the light.

“They are stealing money. Who has extra money to pay?” asked one driver.

“I think this is an injustice, it’s just completely unfair,” said another.

“I didn’t go through the red light. I just didn’t stop at the white line,” said yet another driver. “I feel it’s a frivolous charge. If an officer had been present, I would not have been given that ticket.”

That driver went to court to fight the ticket and lost.

According to the law, Steady red indication:

a. Vehicular traffic facing a steady circular red signal alone shall stop at a clearly marked stop line but, if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until an indication to proceed is shown; except that

1. Such vehicular traffic, after coming to a stop and yielding the right-of-way to pedestrians lawfully within an adjacent crosswalk and to other traffic lawfully using the intersection, may make a right turn unless an official sign is erected at each and every intersection where such right turn is prohibited.

2. Such vehicular traffic, when proceeding on a one-way street, and after coming to a stop, may make a left turn onto a one-way street upon which traffic is moving to the left of the driver. Such turn shall be made only after yielding the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed. No such turn shall be made if a sign is erected giving notice of any such prohibition at each and every intersection where such left turn is prohibited.


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1 posted on 11/04/2011 9:11:13 AM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

For the rest of the story, click on this link.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2011/11/03/denver-collects-fines-on-drivers-who-stop-at-red-lights/


2 posted on 11/04/2011 9:12:03 AM PDT by re_tail20
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To: re_tail20

This is an abuse of government authority, no question.


3 posted on 11/04/2011 9:15:31 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: re_tail20

We should just have direct deposit of our paycheck into a government account and get it all over with. We can then all buy food with our food stamp benefit cards.


4 posted on 11/04/2011 9:15:43 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: re_tail20
Last week I was approaching an intersection with a red light camera when the light turned yellow. I had plenty of time to get through, but there was a cop following me right on my ass, so I locked up the brakes and he smashed into my rear-end.

I wasn't hurt, but I left in an ambulance and called a lawyer on the way to the hospital. He says I'm going to get a pretty big settlement from the city.

Paypack's a bitch.

5 posted on 11/04/2011 9:16:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate. ®)
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To: re_tail20

I’m waiting for the day when the people start fighting back against these extortion cameras being placed everywhere.


6 posted on 11/04/2011 9:16:28 AM PDT by jpl (What do the White House and Zuccotti Park have in common? They're both full of B.O.)
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To: re_tail20

This ‘injustice’ can be corrected in the next election cycle.


7 posted on 11/04/2011 9:16:34 AM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: re_tail20

The people of Colorado have the government they deserve..
ELSE; they would elect a different one..

!democrats!... <-(Eddie Murphy laugh)... RINOs <-(scooby doo laugh)..


8 posted on 11/04/2011 9:16:39 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: re_tail20
Dirty denver at it again. The whole sate pays for their buses, trains and such but the crooks think that is not enough so they take the state highway budget and blow that on their city streets.
9 posted on 11/04/2011 9:19:08 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: re_tail20

I hope they don’t fart at the same time they drive onto that white line, or they’ll be fined for gas emissions too.


10 posted on 11/04/2011 9:19:46 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: re_tail20
Dirty denver at it again. The whole sate pays for their buses, trains and such but the crooks think that is not enough so they take the state highway budget and blow that on their city streets.
11 posted on 11/04/2011 9:19:53 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: hosepipe

BS

“Colorado Springs announced the end of its red light cameras just last week after studies showed they didn’t improve safety.”

I live in Colorado Springs, it’s those douche bags in Denver that screw it up for everyone. Yet one more reason to be on guard when driving in Denver.


12 posted on 11/04/2011 9:21:12 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: re_tail20

Actually... there’s a legal reason for this. The white line at an intersection is there for a reason. Going over the white line means you disobeyed a traffic control device and can be ticketed for it.

Here in the Tampa Bay area, these are cropping up all over the place, and people are fed up. Many intersections do not have enough clearance to see oncoming traffic in a right-turn lane, so you have to stop then creep forward to check traffic.

Problem with this is that if you go completely forward of the white line and the car behind you doesn’t stop, the camera now has 2 cars in technical violation of statute, and they send out 2 tickets to 2 different people despite the person in the front being in the right.

Whatever happened to due process in this country? Used to be a day that you couldn’t be fined for something unless a LEO saw you in commission of the act. Now they deputize camera systems. Unreal.


13 posted on 11/04/2011 9:21:23 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: re_tail20
I think people should addopt the UK solution to these cameras.

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/gatso2.htm

14 posted on 11/04/2011 9:21:50 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: re_tail20

Photo enforcement is always about the letter of the law not the intent. Technically 1 inch over failure to follow the rule, but real live cops would never go through the trouble of ticketing that, it’s no trouble for photo cops though.


15 posted on 11/04/2011 9:22:37 AM PDT by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
So, sounds like the cop who didn't have his cruiser under control was fixing to run the yellow light too, perhaps in pursuit of a traffic light violation ticket. I'm glad you weren't injured, but that's one of the best stories I've ever heard.

BTW, this is another absolutely outrageous greedy government abuse of authority. Remind me to avoid ever going to Denver.

16 posted on 11/04/2011 9:22:55 AM PDT by Amagi (You can't discuss Camelot without mentioning Squire Ted & the Lady in the Lake.)
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To: Jonty30

I have to disagree with you. There are load of drivers in the Denver area who pull so far forward, that they block the cross walk, and get their nose out into the flow of traffic.

This forces pedestrians to have to walk around the nose of the car, some times dangerously close to the cross traffic. Some times the stop is so bad that it actually enters into the cross traffic lane.

I have had to stop short on a couple of occasions and wait for the driver to back up in order to safely proceed.


17 posted on 11/04/2011 9:26:25 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Amagi
I was fantasizing.
18 posted on 11/04/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate. ®)
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To: re_tail20

NIBRS crime stats for the city and county of Denver:
(% change from 1 year ago):
Murder +111.8%
Non-Forcible Sex offenses +19.2%
Extortion +100%
Larceny +10.7 %
Robbery +39.1%
Motor Vehicle Theft +7.2%
Simple Assault +6.1%

Yet THIS is how they choose to allocate their resources?


19 posted on 11/04/2011 9:30:58 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: rarestia

“Used to be a day that you couldn’t be fined for something unless a LEO saw you in the commission of the act.”

Here in Maine, if you pass a stopped school bus that is letting kids on or off, the bus driver has the authority to report you to the police. A violator would have to pay a large fine, and repeated offenses of a similar nature could result in a suspended driver’s license. Even if there was no cop for miles around.

When the bus is letting kids on or off, the bus has red flashing lights and a big red stop sign protrudes from the side of the bus, near the driver’s window.

And by report “you,” I mean the bus driver would report your license plate and a description of your vehicle to the cops.


20 posted on 11/04/2011 9:36:04 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (The "Occupy Wall Street" losers should try occupying their local employment office. GET A JOB!)
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To: re_tail20

Pay it in pennies.


21 posted on 11/04/2011 9:39:19 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
And by report “you,” I mean the bus driver would report your license plate and a description of your vehicle to the cops.

And therein lies the problem. What's to stop an unscrupulous bus driver from writing down the plate of someone who cut them off in traffic and reporting it as a stopped bus runner?

22 posted on 11/04/2011 9:39:41 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: re_tail20

I wish they’d ticket the drivers who stop 10 feet back from the line. What’s up with that?


23 posted on 11/04/2011 9:40:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

not if they find your post, you won’t.


24 posted on 11/04/2011 9:41:44 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (At 4 AM, it is a test; at 2 PM, it is a demonstration)
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To: re_tail20

Slimy bast*rds; the perpetrators of this shameful nonsense should be run out of town on a rail.


25 posted on 11/04/2011 9:42:59 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: NonValueAdded

Who are “they,” and what are they going to do?


26 posted on 11/04/2011 9:44:11 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate. ®)
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To: re_tail20
“They are stealing money. Who has extra money to pay?” asked one driver.

Stop being so greedy, One Driver, it's for the children.

27 posted on 11/04/2011 9:45:12 AM PDT by TankerKC (Welcome to the age of "I Meant to Do That" Diplomacy)
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To: NonValueAdded

What about the ‘creepers’ who stop short then slowly start and stop to get up to the light while it’s still red? Annoys me to no end.


28 posted on 11/04/2011 9:49:25 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: taxcontrol

In a nearby city at a busy intersection cops are writing tickets left and right, only they aren’t using cameras. There is also a fairly busy rail road crossing at that intersection and motorists are clearly warned by signs proclaiming loudly not to pass the tracks when the car traffic light is red and do not block the tracks with your vehicle, while waiting for the light to turn.

You are supposed to stop and wait behind the rail crossing but beyond the crossing there’s room for a couple of cars, so people just cannot wait to fill up all that extra space.

If I am first at the red light and stop properly, cars will pull out around me to take that extra space and gain two whole car lengths advantage on me. Screw them they deserve tickets.

Many times the city has a police car sitting nearby in plain sight and people do it anyway, like I said, screw them, they deserve a ticket.


29 posted on 11/04/2011 9:51:03 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: taxcontrol
There are load of drivers in the Denver area who pull so far forward, that they block the cross walk, and get their nose out into the flow of traffic.

This happened to me once when I was young, agile and good at climbing. I walked right across the guy's hood where the crosswalk was. I could hear him swearing at me as I high-tailed it over to the other side.

There wasn't a whole lot he could do since there was cross traffic flowing to his front and another car stopped at his rear.

I still get a chuckle when I recall the look on his face.

30 posted on 11/04/2011 9:54:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Unfortunately, city govts are usually self insured which means that you are going to collect from your fellow citizens.


31 posted on 11/04/2011 10:01:31 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: jpl

“I’m waiting for the day when the people start fighting back against these extortion cameras being placed everywhere.”

Americans need to do what they’ve done in the UK for years. Put an old tyre around the device and “set it a light!”


32 posted on 11/04/2011 10:02:49 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: re_tail20
About 20 years ago there was a big flap over the timing of a traffic light going from Cobb County to Fulton county. The light was in Fulton, but controlled a major route from Cobb. The intersection wasn't know for any particular problem until the Fulton "traffic engineers" discovered that someone had set it too long for the Cobb county side and "fixed" it.

Instantaneously the Fulton "authorities" caused mile long backups into Cobb county. When the Cobb residents scomplained, they got the usual government arrogant BS about it being set correctly, but that Fulton would "study the problem" and might or might not change the setting.

Then one night someone put several rifle rounds through the timing mechanism, and all of a sudden Fulton decided that it was in their best interests to fix the light the way it was before they screwed with it. Just say'n.

33 posted on 11/04/2011 10:03:37 AM PDT by from occupied ga (your own government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: jpl

“I’m waiting for the day when the people start fighting back against these extortion cameras being placed everywhere.”

my father’s generation would’ve drilled a 30-06 through one of these within a week of its being installed..


34 posted on 11/04/2011 10:06:25 AM PDT by mo
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To: hosepipe
The people of Colorado Denver have the government they deserve..

There. Leave me out of that.

35 posted on 11/04/2011 10:12:18 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: jpl

36 posted on 11/04/2011 10:13:48 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Dr.Deth

LoL....


37 posted on 11/04/2011 10:14:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I was fantasizing.


38 posted on 11/04/2011 10:21:29 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate. ®)
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To: AlmaKing

I drive a semi... Trust me, you really want me to creep a little. It’s that or risk the chance of 45 thousand pounds of our toilet paper pushing me into the back of your friends car. Anytime I drive a stick I work the lights.


39 posted on 11/04/2011 10:22:08 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOLca)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
now that funny.

Years ago, my son got a ticket because he paused at the stop sign, and bumped on through, REASON he did this, there was a care behind him that was not going to stop and would have rear ended him.

Policewoman said: "You should have let them hit you" IDIOT.

Went to court, DISMISSED. Told the Judge what the policewoman said.

40 posted on 11/04/2011 10:28:13 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: NonValueAdded
you have those same drivers there? If it were not so ridiculous, it would be funny.
41 posted on 11/04/2011 10:30:51 AM PDT by annieokie
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Every nation has the government it deserves.” —Joseph de Maistre

Applies to local governments, too, and there are consequences for allowing thieving socialism in government. You can win.


42 posted on 11/04/2011 10:33:19 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: jpl
waiting for the day when the people start fighting back

We beat them, locally at least, on a legal technicality.

The fines were considered a "civil" crime, and state law requires that 90% of fines for civil crimes be distributed to the school system. The red light company that was running the racket was skimming off too much of the fine ($35 out of every $50 fine, if memory serves).

The camera fines were challenged in court under this premise, and the law was upheld.

Rather than pick up the balance of the tab that needed to go to the schools, all of the local cities decided to yank out the cameras, instead. Thus proving that it was NOT about safety, but about money all along. :-)

43 posted on 11/04/2011 10:35:20 AM PDT by wbill
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To: mo
“I’m waiting for the day when the people start fighting back against these extortion cameras being placed everywhere.”

I doubt the cameras are members of the police union. Could be time for a police strike until this grievance is resolved.

44 posted on 11/04/2011 10:40:42 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: re_tail20

Talk about your misleading headline!! Those white lines are there for a reason. Anything beyond is in the crosswalk. When I lived in Phoenix, the police there would hand out tickets for it. It was so common we called them the white line patrol.

I’m not condoning what Denver is doing here, but drivers need to realize that the lines are there for a purpose ... it’s not a suggestion.


45 posted on 11/04/2011 10:52:29 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

LOL! Ok.


46 posted on 11/04/2011 10:53:17 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: from occupied ga

Was that Johnson Ferry Road? Crosses over the Chattahoochee River? If so, I grew up close to there.


47 posted on 11/04/2011 11:08:44 AM PDT by lwd
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

I think that school bus law is nationwide. School busses are picking up & droping off kids all over the USA every school day. The driver who stops at my corner has kids who walk in front of the bus to walk to their houses. IF a driver were to pass that bus while it is stopped to discharge those kids, those kids would be hit.

For the bus driver to issue a ticket notice to the cops is OK by me.


48 posted on 11/04/2011 11:13:36 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: re_tail20
Make enough laws and everyone is a criminal.
49 posted on 11/04/2011 11:26:43 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Last week I was approaching an intersection with a red light camera when the light turned yellow. I had plenty of time to get through, but there was a cop following me right on my ass, so I locked up the brakes and he smashed into my rear-end.

Last Friday on the way home, I made a left turn at a traffic light. If you get up to the speed limit quickly, you can make the next light on green easily. The broad in front of me locked her brakes at that light when it turned yellow.

I stopped in time, as did the guy behind me. He couldn't see the car and was giving me the one finger salute until we left and he passed both of us on the left. I have a feeling he felt a little silly.

50 posted on 11/04/2011 11:56:51 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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