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Posted on 11/04/2011 11:06:09 PM PDT by Maelstorm
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is shaping up to be the “anti-Romney” in the Republican presidential race, according to a new Newsmax/InsiderAdvantage poll of Iowa caucus voters.
Although the survey showed scandal-plagued Herman Cain still enjoying a substantial lead, InsiderAdvantage head Matt Towery says that will almost certainly not last.
“We found most Republican voters in Iowa were unaware of the latest developments in the Cain case,” Towery said after Thursday night’s poll. “There is a great likelihood that his vote will fall off.”
The poll put Cain at 30% with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney at 15%. Gingrich was third with 12%, followed by Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 9%, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann at 8%, Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 6% and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman at 2 %.
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I'm really surprised at the low numbers for Perry but he is sufferring from GW Bush more than anything he's done or not done. The man has the best ads out. Anyway Let's see what next week brings. This show is getting interesting but I do think we could see Romney sink to single digits in Iowa before all is said and done. Those who have been pushing him either aren't good with math or are just trying to wish him into office. He has no path to victory as long as conservatives align behind one candidate. If Cain wins Iowa I don't think there is any stopping him especially after he managed to survive what for most was considered a direct hit and you could see there appeared to be coordination. They were trying to turn him into a joke like they did with Palin, Bush etc. They failed.
I’ll take Gingrich. He’d make mincemeat out of OBummer.
He knows that. Keep Herman right on the top. Debate tomorrow on CSPAN 7PM CST. 90 minute Lincoln-Douglas style.
I really don’t see it. They said the same thing about Al Gore. I think he could defeat Obama but I think it would be harder for him than many of the others. He has already set a trap for himself with his ‘rising above it all’ stuff. That will get him no where with Obama. If he manages to win the nomination I’ll certainly support him. Anybody but Romney but I think Cain will surprise.
Good to see you walking around this late.
Thanks. I think I’m going to call it a night. Have a good one.
;^)
Texas Gov. Rick Perry at 6%. Snicker. That is hilarious. Can’t wait for him to drop out.
I’m really surprised at the low numbers for Perry
I am not. He is a liberal who is trying to pretend to be a conservative (failing that big time). He is a loser candidate and 92 percent of the primary voters see that. Thank God this guy is NOT going to be the President of the United States. It would have been a disaster. Go Cain!!!!! 30 percent and number 1!!!!
“Scandal-plagued.” And we’re not told exactly what Cain is guilty of!
I'm not a Cain guy but I am constantly confused by expert statements like this. How the Hell does he know that Cain is going to crash. Nothing has hurt him yet.
Don’t hold your breath.
Newt’s gaining. Couldn’t threaten a nicer wafflemeister.
People toss the term "Kafkaesque" around too freely, but it fits perfectly in this case.
A scandal about something, involving someone anonymous, leaked by a hidden source, and we're not sure what was said or done but it was something, and Cain is 'scandal-plagued' because of it.
Sounds more like Newsmax wishful thinking than any kind of actual analysis.
Cain is confounding the ‘experts’ on this manufactured ‘scandal’ and he’s driving them crazy. Go Hermanator!
they never preface obama with scandal plagued Obama
Wow if Newt can pass Romney that would put Romney in 3rd! LOL
If Huntsman has a good showing at his next debate, he might close in on Perry....
Cain is the best. Some anonymous bimbo who won’t come forward and state her accusations, throws firebombs in seclusion and won’t even release a statement of the alleged offenses wants us to take her seriously.
This has the fingerprints of the left all over it.
Just another Borking and Clarence Thomas situation.
It seems that conservatives and Americans in general have finally gotten it.
The same liberal media which ignored the racist bastard Obama had as a minister and personal friend, Obama’s connections with an anti-American radical and murderer, his personal drug abuse history, questionable citizenship, etc., are trying to smear Cain with an anonymous accuser who won’t even state her complaint - if she even exists.
It won’t work this time. No more Anita Hills or Tawana Brawleys.
That is scarey. Huntsman is worse than Romney.
They just want us to give up. They’d have us believe all our candidates faults or misteps are fatal and all their candidates faults and misteps are just strategy.
Cain’s lead increases and they make the article about Newt and Mitt!
Yes, for the 6th week in a row, Cain’s lead won’t last! /s
“We have to remember that most Americans don’t read political newspapers or websites and these things take quite a while to trickle down.”
It’s kind of difficult to see Cain’s face day-in and day-out on TV, hear about Cain on the radio day-in and day-out...yet still NOT have ANY CLUE as to why he’s getting all this air time? Maybe they think if Republicans as blind and deaf?
This is a pretty DESPERATE attempt to try to discount Cain, even when his numbers are holding, at worst.
The best part of this poll is seeing Perry at 6%, the second best part is seeing Romney dropping in Iowa - this has to scare the crap out of the RINOs and the MSM.
The other interesting thing to note is that both Romney and Perry are the two people that Cain has been pointing to in this mess...and both are dropping. Newt, on the other hand, went as far as defending Cain (something Bachmann and Sanatorium could not bring themselves to doing...they had to pile on), and Newt is the one gaining strength.
Not bad overall.
“If Huntsman has a good showing at his next debate, he might close in on Perry.... “
Actually I would word that differently. It’s more like Perry is trying to close in on Huntsman.
I was trying to not be so obvious. ;)
And let's not forget... 
Newt is not attacking his own....................going after Obama is a whole other game and Newt will
I can’t go “anybody but Romney”.
Perry has been far too socialist and the left must not be allowed to control the Republican party. Thus I am working now to convince as many as possible here locally to go write in if either of the clones is the nominee.
Cain is the best of a weak to moderate field, but someone new could jump in. Bachmann or Santorum I could live with. Would have to hold my nose to vote Newt...
“Cain’s lead increases and they make the article about Newt and Mitt!”
The key is global warming and an OPTIONAL flat tax, both status quo establishment perspectives.
Cain is conservative and an outsider, they will ignore and attack him to the last vote puts him over the top.
I support Cain, but I’m really starting to scare myself because I seem to be warming up to Newt.
“I support Cain, but I’m really starting to scare myself because I seem to be warming up to Newt.”
It’s ok, but see post 29, to help you with that. Newt is good guy and a smart guy, but I would still not want him on the top of the ticket, because you NEVER know when he will flake out, as in that picture. Newt also supports a form of Amnesty - he doesn’t quite call it that, but it is.
“Perry has been far too socialist and the left must not be allowed to control the Republican party.”
Where does all this sh!t come from? I live in Texas...I voted for Perry for Gov. He is NOT a socialist. There are so many lies on this site about him, it is so ironic. Can you give proof of what you are saying about him, or just quoting something from the “Austin Statesman”, which, by the way is a liberal newspaper from Austin? I have no complaints against what or how Perry has governed Texas.
All you people, start checking your facts before spewing these things; don’t just say stuff because you heard it from someone else.
Native Texan, Thanks for your post. I have your back. FR has gone batsh@# crazy against Perry, and he’s the one true conservative! I blame InfoWars.
“Where does all this sh!t come from? I live in Texas...I voted for Perry for Gov. He is NOT a socialist.”
I live in Texas too, and would agree. He’s not a socialist...but he is his own animal.
Just this week he proposed LEGALIZING the 10 to 15 Million ILLEGALS in this country. Then we have his TTC and Gardacil. So he is FAR from being a conservative, but overall he’s still not a socialist.
Lol, yeah that’s what scares me!
Bullypulpit, thanks. I was beginning to think I was the only sane person on FR about Perry.
His speech on C-SPAN2 yesterday was very well received...no sign whatsoever that enthusiasm for his campaign has dimmed at all...sounds like media pipe dreams again.
Polling below Bachmann! LOLOLOL!!!
Uh, FR has gone crazy because of stupid statements like this. If Perry were the one, true conservative, he'd be leading in the polls, now wouldn't he?
“Lol, yeah that’s what scares me!”
Of course. I think Newt would have the same trouble Bush-43 had, which is convincing conservatives to trust him. I certainly have my problems with him - I just don’t know where he’s going to wind up when a new issue comes across. And needless to say, the media will have a field day with his personal life...much worse than what they tried to do with Cain, since Newt really does have some problems there (which he admits to...but even so).
The other thing to consider is who can beat Obama. Cain is making a really serious move to get the black vote...and I think he’ll get enough to neutralize the usual Democrat advantage in any election. I doubt Newt would have a chance at improving over other Republicans. Note also that this Cain ‘scandal’ broke just as Cain was starting to press abortion as a genocide of blacks (which it is) - that in itself could cause blacks to sit out the election, rather than vote for Obama.
I agree. I am going by the corrolary to Buckley’s rule. We need to promote the most viable conservative to take on the establishment rino. romney is obviously trying the divide and conquer approach and has the most to gain by these inter-necine feuds.
Well, you gotta admit, Cain DOESN’T have that SLIM lead he had a couple of weeks ago...he has a MUCH BIGGER LEAD NOW, so I guess his slim lead didn’t last after all. Apparently they don’t dare mention money any longer as it seems that Cain’s cash flow is steadily increasing. Since Cain was never a serious candidate and is only running to promote his book I suppose his biggest problem is finding a way to drop out while he is ahead, he wouldn’t want to risk actually getting nominated, if he did he might win the general election and then he wouldn’t have time to promote his book! He needs to drop out soon to clear the way for Perry.
Closed captioned for the sarcasm impaired.
FR is a very influential site. It is important that the more sane of those participating here make our views be known.
One thing you will find browsing around here is that there are serious posters and not serious posters. Most of the non-seriousness circles around lying about Rick Perry’s record.
Many people don’t know the real record about Perry, and the purpose of these anti-Perry people is to make sure you never do, through bullying and name-calling. It’s high school amateur hour for these people.
I am here to provide the truth about Rick Perry. And I am not deterred by childish high school insults*.
I hope you hang around and help advance the message and the truth.
Joe
* For proof of the childish high school insults, watch the responses to this post.
I am totally a Newt Gingrich supporter, but (in looking for a good anti-Romney backup in case Newt didn’t win) I was really hoping Rick Perry would be the real deal. Sadly, he is not.
It really has nothing to do with his past record, or his agenda (which is fairly good). He has ZERO ability to articulate his message in a clear, coherent way, and rally the country behind what he is selling. He makes George W. Bush sound like Ronald Reagan. He sounds like Obama minus the tele-prompter when he speaks. First you win the argument, then you win the vote. Perry isn’t going to win the argument. Newt will.
“Some anonymous bimbo”
Cain is impressive in so many ways and I don’t want to believe he did wrong.
Maybe (I hope) these stories are exaggerated to smear Hermon, as they did to Bork and Thomas.
But, the Restaurant Association paid the anonymous accuser a year’s salary. Would they do that if something serious didn’t happen?
Then other complaints were made, showing some kind of pattern. Can we ignore that?
“But, the Restaurant Association paid the anonymous accuser a year’s salary. Would they do that if something serious didn’t happen?”
Yes. The cost, time and bad publicity involved in fighting a case where somebody alleges something like this in the Courts would cost FAR more than a measly $45,000. NOTE. I said ALLEGED. In today’s hyper charged politically correct atmosphere ANYBODY can accuse ANYONE about sexual harassment, racial discrimination, etc. and cause enough of a problem to any employer to do anything about it.
If there were ANY substance to this, she would have been a VERY STUPID Bimbo to have settled for just $45,000.00.
“Then other complaints were made, showing some kind of pattern. Can we ignore that?”
WHO are these accusers? Christ asked the prostitute who was there to condemn her? Don’t we even grant that to people here anymore? DO we use star chamber proceedings where a person is not required to face their accuser? And WHAT were those “charges”. That bastard snake attorney wouldn’t even allow them to be released.
This situation was not really generated by the left. That bastard snake attorney, I believe, practices in TEXAS. At any rate, that was where a practice with a lawyer with his name and business was listed in the Net.
MY guess is Perry - a real twit - is involved in this in some way. Or perhaps even Romney.
Unless we get an accuser WILLING to step forth and IDENTIFY themselves, and SPECIFICALLY authorize release of the nature of the acts alleged here, this is not worth the time spent on it. Its a hatchet job by a political opponent,
I noticed the title of this poll on Newsmax the other day. It completely left out how Herman was doing until you read the story. It made me believe that Mitt and Newt were winning...but they are down by a LOT to Cain. Now for Towery...he has never liked Cain from what I gather. He is echoing what everyone is saying about Herman...but there is one problem, the campaign is still going strong. If he thinks Romney and Newt can gain 15% on Cain without a major gaffe from Cain, he is crazy.
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