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Herman Cain~Newt Gingrich in Lincoln/Douglas-type Debate C-SPAN Sat.11- 5: 8 PM EDT - LIVE THREAD
C-Span ^ | 11-5-2011

Posted on 11/05/2011 3:16:26 PM PDT by blueyon

Republican 2012 presidential candidates Republican 2012 presidential candidates Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich met in a Lincoln-Douglas style debate on current economic and social issues facing the U.S.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; caingingrichdebate; cainmachine; caintrain; debate; frontrunner; gingrich; gop; newtcannotbenominee; vote4newtsawin4obama
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To: CounterCounterCulture
They're both from the same state (Georgia), so they couldn't be on the same ticket as per Amendment XII.

Gingrich is from Virginia.
401 posted on 11/05/2011 5:42:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: exit82
Cain and Newt vs the evil feedback demon is a good way to sum up this debate so far.

Newt is using a hand held Mic - Herman has a lapel microphone. Poor calibration.

402 posted on 11/05/2011 5:42:43 PM PDT by TheShaz
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To: Huck

Cain is baffled, he punts. “You go first Newt.”

You go to the top of the ticket, too, Newt.


403 posted on 11/05/2011 5:42:55 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (Time to hit the reset button on the American experiment.)
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To: Gator113

oops...Cain missed the CEo question...no detail...basically for Ceo’s to rally...but not what...then went on a cheerleader binge...looked like Newt was waiting for an answer that didn’t happen...me too


404 posted on 11/05/2011 5:43:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: SamAdams76

>> We apologize for the fault in the audio. Those responsible have been sacked.

Pathetic audio situation.


405 posted on 11/05/2011 5:44:19 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Lady Lucky

Don’t read to much into that. A boss delegates


406 posted on 11/05/2011 5:44:23 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: sodpoodle

Betcha, too. We will all come out winners for this exercise, so kudo’s to both candidates.

I missed the first half hour. Why is Cain ‘wired’ and Newt holding the mic? Did anyone explain that?


407 posted on 11/05/2011 5:44:57 PM PDT by EDINVA (We Can't Wait, either)
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To: exit82

They are both speaking well, I’m really enjoying this debate.

Who ever is doing the sound is terrible, it’s not synced. Anyone who can read lips will notice this.

It has a sort of fireside chat, I feel like I’m sitting my my radio listening to the pops and squeaks of it trying to hear out Cain and Newt hammer away at O-care.


408 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:15 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Lady Lucky

It’s obvious who the Alfa Dog is…

Newt/Cain 2012


409 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:34 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: TheShaz

We apologize again for the fault in the audio. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.


410 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:45 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: EDINVA

Newt’s lapel wire didn’t work


411 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:47 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: SamAdams76
We apologize for the fault in the audio. Those responsible have been sacked.

We apologize for the continued faults in the audio. Those responsible for sacking the first group of people have now been sacked.
412 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:53 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Lady Lucky

Newt contrasts he and Cain, after Cain asks for his perspective having been in DC and now out of the bubble.. Says Cain was in private sector then drawn into government service. Newt was the reverse.

Newt notes Cain has to serve the customer to stay in business on a daily basis.

Newt convinced best practices in real world can be brought into governemnt to revolutionize it.


413 posted on 11/05/2011 5:45:58 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: blueyon
"Lean six sigma" is such BS. Newt is DISQUALIFIED.

ML/NJ

414 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:06 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Lady Lucky

It depends upon what you think this meeting is for... finding solutions, or besting the other. Hence, you either see Cain as a dope for the handoff, or thoughtful for deferring.


415 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:13 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what? Channel surfing without a remote since 2001)
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To: eeevil conservative

you’re absolutely right, both are doing great. There’s not going to be a winner between these two, we’re going to be the winners with these two.


416 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:18 PM PDT by Carl from Marietta (Cain, there's a new sheriff in town.)
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To: eyedigress

These two are helping one another in this “debate”. Not a debate, more of an infomercial for voters to understand why we need to send OBAMA into retirement, along with his socialist cronies in Congress.


417 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:19 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Lady Lucky
You go to the top of the ticket, too, Newt.

Newt is the detail man, Hermain is the vision caster.

You go to the top of the ticket, Hermain.

418 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:28 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.)
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To: SamAdams76

Monty Python has been noted.


419 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:41 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: SamAdams76

ROFL!


420 posted on 11/05/2011 5:46:46 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia (Be careful of believing something just because you want it to be true.)
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To: GizzyGirl
Perry can not beat “the one” in a debate so I just can’t go there this time. I’m worried about same with Cain... Newt has it all from that side of things, and Romney is not an option unless and until we have no other choice. I hope they both win tonight, in fact they are both winners tonight... They already are by just doing this for us and our country tonight!!!
I agree with this. All of it. Well said.
421 posted on 11/05/2011 5:47:08 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: blueyon

I am actually moved by this. I know it sounds crazy...but it’s true.

I am watching two incredibly accomplished men who care deeply for their country civilly discussing their ideas. They are vying for the same position, yet they remain respectful and deferential. They express original ideas. They don’t speak in cliches. They don’t engage in petty gotcha tricks.

I will be able to very enthusiastically support either of these guys next fall. Newt is my choice, as my tagline will reveal. But nothing has renewed my hope more than this “debate” in many, many years.

Hank


422 posted on 11/05/2011 5:47:13 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: antceecee

Once again. This is a debate on America.


423 posted on 11/05/2011 5:47:48 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: BenKenobi

This is how the Tea Party handles problems....

see the ZOOcotti park for how Obama’s folks deal with hurt feelings...


424 posted on 11/05/2011 5:47:59 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: glock rocks

Some here are so addicted to the blood-letting they can’t see what is really going on here.


425 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:05 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Cain leads, Newt is the doer. You don’t put the doer in charge, you put the leader.


426 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:11 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: samtheman

Yes!

Personal Retirement accounts!

THANK YOU HERMAN!


427 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:15 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: eyedigress
Don’t read to much into that. A boss delegates

My boss 'avoids' because she doesn't know and she's not management material...then she delegates to someone she thinks should know..but they don't either.

Cain needs to answer the questions and make statements...he's doing ok...but seems to me struggling for specific answwers

428 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:28 PM PDT by caww
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To: stars & stripes forever

Cain—addressing Social Security.

Says “Let’s solve the problem, not prolong the problem.”

Idea of optional personal retiremeny accounts—audience applause.


429 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:30 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: glock rocks; luckylady

Cain goes FIRST now.

THIS SEGMENT.


430 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:30 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: eyedigress

Herman is human and acts like one. Someone who on occasion says ‘I don’t know’ or ‘I haven’t thought about that yet’, is has demonstrated the political sin of honesty.

I am OK with that.


431 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:51 PM PDT by Never on my watch (WTF happened to my country?)
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To: altura
From the organizers: "“We initially wanted a forum with all of the candidates,” O’Sullivan says. “But when we heard Gingrich say he wanted a more serious debate, like the Lincoln–Douglas debates, we wanted to do that, especially since watching the recent superficial debates has been frustrating.”

"Organizing the event was relatively easy, he adds. “We had a relationship with Herman Cain. He spoke at our tea-party event six months ago. We contacted him, asking if he was interested in a Lincoln–Douglas debate on entitlements. Then we got in touch with Speaker Gingrich.”

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But that won't stop some people from claiming that other candidates "failed to come" to a TWO-PERSON-FORMAT-DEBATE.

Perry and Romney were invited to do a DIFFERENT one-on-one: "The group has contacted the campaigns of Texas Gov. Rick Perry and ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney to see if they would participate in a separate Lincoln-Douglas-style debate.

I doubt they will do it -- there's nothing in it for Romney to debate Perry on his own.

But I've given up with expecting facts to get in the way of a good smear around here.

432 posted on 11/05/2011 5:48:55 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: blueyon

Cain ..good points on soc sec and on praising Bush’s former plan


433 posted on 11/05/2011 5:49:17 PM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: ml/nj
"Lean six sigma" is such BS. Newt is DISQUALIFIED.

Nonsense. Lean Six Sigma may be overrated corporate-kumbaya tripe, but forcing it upon the federal workers would be a 500% improvement.

434 posted on 11/05/2011 5:49:25 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master." - Gaius Sallustius Crispus)
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To: Carl from Marietta

AMEN!!


435 posted on 11/05/2011 5:49:34 PM PDT by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

BUMP YOUR EVERY WORD TO THE TOP!


436 posted on 11/05/2011 5:49:40 PM PDT by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Never on my watch

Hell, I do that every day!


437 posted on 11/05/2011 5:50:00 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: BenKenobi

Union?


438 posted on 11/05/2011 5:50:17 PM PDT by lara
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To: Sprite518

Perry is a coward. He prefers the shot in the back.


439 posted on 11/05/2011 5:50:28 PM PDT by dools0007world
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I have a feeling that to those of us who have grown accustomed to the 60-second soundbite format debate, this may end up being a bit of a snoozefest

zzzzzzz zzzzzz I just changed channel to the Outlaw Josey Wales so I can wake up.

440 posted on 11/05/2011 5:51:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: antceecee

Thank you. I’m really enjoying the discussion. These men are results oriented.


441 posted on 11/05/2011 5:51:23 PM PDT by glock rocks (Wait, what? Channel surfing without a remote since 2001)
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To: dools0007world

He shot Romney in the back, but lets keep to the debate.


442 posted on 11/05/2011 5:51:49 PM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: antceecee
These two are helping one another in this “debate”. Not a debate, more of an infomercial for voters to understand why we need to send OBAMA into retirement, along with his socialist cronies in Congress.

I agree......they're educating the public...Newt from the Political Side...Cain from the Business side...and both throwing some of both within their responses

443 posted on 11/05/2011 5:51:49 PM PDT by caww
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To: Java4Jay

Absolutely.


444 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:14 PM PDT by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~... Newt/Cain 2012..."Save a pretzel for the gas jets.")
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To: katiedidit1

Newt - read my tagline.


445 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: exit82

Cain gives good answer regarding exisitng retirees—give them the choice vs. benefits.

Says young persons understand the value of a personal account versus present system and are in favor of it.

Cain says first you have to get rid of the existing tax code and use the 9-9-9 plan!

Audience applauds and laughs.


446 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:45 PM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom.)
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To: SamAdams76

A Møøse once bit my sister...


447 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: ml/nj

Sorry, but you must not know much about LeanSS. I work for an organization that has been fundamentally transformed - I’d even say saved - by its implementation. It’s hard. It involves breaking a lot of eggs. But it’s very real and very VERY impactful.

Hank


448 posted on 11/05/2011 5:52:58 PM PDT by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: SamAdams76
We apologize again for the fault in the audio. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

If they're union they can't be sacked.

449 posted on 11/05/2011 5:53:19 PM PDT by South40 (Heartless since 1957)
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To: All

Hate to repeat what has already been said, but these two guys would be an awesome team against Obama. Too bad that it would appear to be impossible to happen. I thing Romney would wilt in this kind of debate...Perry.....pfffsttt....


450 posted on 11/05/2011 5:53:47 PM PDT by Maringa
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