Skip to comments.[Live Thread] Herman Cain to respond to sex allegations at Scottsdale press conference (Tue 11-8-11)
Posted on 11/07/2011 8:42:40 PM PST by STARWISE
Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain will hold a press conference in Scottsdale Tuesday in response to recent allegations of harassment.
According to a statement from the Cain campaign, Cain will hold to the conference at the Scottsdale Plaza at 3 pm.
I know what happened, and he knows what happened, Bialek said on CNNs Piers Morgan Tonight. One of my whole objectives was to give him the opportunity to come forward, to redeem himself, say, Hey, Im sorry. I did this. It happened. And lets move forward. And it is unfortunate. Im very disappointed that he didnt take the lead in this.
She said in the interview that she was prepared for an expected media onslaught, but was more concerned about how it would affect her teenage son
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Like you said... if true.
But I do agree... the proper approach is to be cold and businesslike in today's uber-sensitive and litigious America. Never compliment anyone individually on anything pertaining to appearance. Keep the conversations on business matters only... no small talk, no friendliness beyond the level of cordiality required to foster a professional environment. If subordinates think of you as pompous, too damned bad. It's far better to be depicted that way than to have the crap Cain is undergoing heaped on you.
And NEVER... EVER... be alone with a subordinate or potential subordinate of the opposite sex. That is nothing but an invitation to major trouble. Cain has said he had a policy of keeping the office door open and remaining visible to the outside office whenever a female entered, so these claims should be viewed with a great deal of skepticism. Keeping actions above and beyond reproach, IMO, is the best way.
I absolutely won’t believe this unless there is an alleged unnamed “eyewitness” who won’t come forward for fear of retaliation.
Come on folks this lynching can be stopped. Join me in seeing to it that Cain has another million dollar week.
Why do you believe any of this? There is no credible evidence any of this happened—or happened the way it’s being portrayed. Every day the original accuser’s story changes; and every day or so new anonymous accusers with no credibility are trotted out.
Do you not see the parallel to the Justice Thomas lynching?
Right, he is finished. Like the polls in IA say, or ABC or Rasmussen...get a grip and a clue. Let me guess, you are a Perrywinkle.
Hi campaign manager needs to micro manage this aspect of his campaign and prevent any further issues occuring......it is a sad state of affairs, but getting Mr Cain to the presidancy is more important.
The media is trying to manufacture a Lewinsky scandal with an Alinsky tactics.
3pmMT/5pmET is also too late to get the blowback in front of the MSM in time to file for the nightly news.
Because FReepers are on the verge of winning a big one against the MSM...this broad is Rather in drag...
You're the one with the "serious problem", preferring to be titillated by the Big Lie of MSM innuendo, over the evidence.
He flooded the zone. BFD.
Also, no one believed Bubba's denials. NO ONE.
kudos, good catch, map
Why don't you come to your senses, noob, and know your history -- the last time the GOP did anything remotely like drafting a nominee at their convention, they threw away Reagan and gave us Ford in '76.
I forgot to see him on Kimmel. I think he’s pretty funny (though not enough to watch his show regularly) but suspect he went after him.
As for the press conference, I think it’s a good idea. He needs to really go after this head-on instead of just deflecting. That should help it go away, especially if he can provide any details to really negate all the charges.
Arizona time or EST?
Cain ROCKED Kimmel. The man is awesome. Was funny but remained classy. It’s a way to reach a lot of voters.
Produce a dress with his DNA on it, or show us the scar on someone's lip and I'll feel bad about it.
One has had spurious allegations thrown at him (mainly by the press, just when he hit first place in the polls), the other had a number of named accusers, some with physical evidence disregarded by the press.
The differences are evident for those who wish to discern.
He's 93, iirc, and still pretty alert...
Herman Cain did wonderful on the Jimmy Kimmel show!!! Great audience acceptance and Jimmt Kimmel did the smart thing and treaded lightly while still getting Mr. Cain to hold his own, as any fair host would do. Kimmel realized what the left-wing media does not, an accused person is innocent until proven guilty!!! I noticed on Morning Joe this AM that both Joe and Mika, the brainless, were treading mighty lightly, hedging their bets!!! This, my friends, is going to be a very different political campaign this year. The Establishments of both political parties are either dying, or not being heeded by the American voter. If nothing else, this is will be an interesting, critcal “sea change” campaign for America. America either remains free or America sinks into “third world” status as dictator, POTUS Obama successfully destroys the country he dislikes so intensely!!!
What about abortion? Cain is pro life, so what’s your problem.
and he had his own womanizing issues.
How does drafting a candidate at the convention work, anyone know? Mitt is still in the 20’s, we just have to keep him from getting over 50% for the first ballot then we can draft Sarah or someone decent.
If you've been paying attention you KNOW VERY WELL that the NRA has stated that Cain was not involved in the SEVERANCE money and had NO KNOWLEDGE of it.
If you didn't know, you do now just like the rest of us do. And when Cain was updated AFTER the current smear attempt he made the correction. He DID NOT LIE.
Did you sign up today just to pretend he did? Is that you Axelrot?
So true. JFK used to get it on with multiple women while president and he had the Secret Service tip him off when Jackie was heading back to the WH. It is even rumored that Marilyn Monroe's "suicide" was related to the WH hanky-panky. And that's just scratching the surface of one Dem president.
I am holding my fire on Herman Cain until I hear him respond formally to these charges later today. If he denies the charges, I will take him at his word and stand with him. If he admits to it, I will still support him nevertheless as I will appreciate the honesty and will chalk his behavior up to how many powerful men act. The only thing I would not forgive would be if he comes out today and gives a mealy-mouthed evasive explanation - you know, a Bill Clinton type response - that will confuse things and allow for more future bimbo eruptions to distract us from the campaign.
So all Herman Cain has to do for me is step up to the plate like a man and either deny it (if it didn't happen) or own up to it (if it did happen) with no apologies. Either way, he'll have my vote.
Fact: No one from the NRA or any other organization involved with Mr. Cain has run to the forefront to defend Mr. Cain’s honor. Doesn’t that make you wonder? The only people defending him are people who don’t really know him...but believe in him because Sarah, the previous idol, dropped out of the race.
I always wonder because the corrupt elite of today have no character standards for themselves and each other. No peer pressure to do the right thing. Money and power is it. Even most of those who run a front of being good Christians don’t feel bound by old fashioned ethics and human dignity.
Actually there were several people from the NRA who DID give testimonials to Cain’s good character and decency. I don’t remember the names and I’m not going to look them up for you. You can ask around FR to see if anyone else remembers or do you own Google search, but there were MANY.
I feel pretty much the same way as you do on this. If anything, I think things are trumped up.
Welcome to FR noob. Who are you backing now? Mitt?
The only reason he is being attacked is because he is the ONLY one who can beat Obama. So, which Conservative do you think can win? Come on, find one...you won’t.
Really? Every election conservatives rarely like the candidate because the RINO establishment chose them. I have no illusion that nothing but a RINO would get put forward if any of these candidates failed to get the majority.
Besides, there are more conservative minded candidates now then in past elections. No way did President Bush represent true conservatism. I know many people here love Sarah, but if we think Cain is getting a beating in the Media it would be nonstop with Sarah. I believe Sarah would have a more difficult time defeating Obama in a general election than what Cain would have...but who knows all those independent women who don't like Sarah could change their minds, and it will be the independents who decide this next election.
So what you are saying is, that men must walk on eggs while women can wreck havoc indiscriminately and, anyway that they choose. This is certainly not the America that I know!
Yep. And it's not the America I know either. But it's the one that exists today.
As part of the ‘invisible generation’, I guess I should have seen it coming. What a pity.
Anyone hear apparently Cain took a photo with this woman a few months ago, and she appeared quite happy in the photo?
Even more suspicious on her part!
I also think the reason she was fired needs investigating...rumors are it was due to a false sex harassment claim.
People remember things later. He was asked about something that happened over a decade ago and is supposed to have crystal clarity?
Cain on Kimmel
“Billy Graham was one very smart man.”
“He’s 93, iirc, and still pretty alert... “
Uh, t’was in reference to his never being alone with a female so as to be compromised with a, she said, he said, situation. And for that, he was a very smart man.
Maybe Whoopi Goldberg and Jeanine Garafalo can say that anyone who says Mr. Cain has sexually harrassed anyone is obviously a racist.
No argument with the wisdom of avoiding the appearance of sin. I thought you were referring to him in the past tense, and wanted to point out he's still around.
FYI — this is the LIVE THREAD for Herman
Cain’s press conference.
Haven’t been able to verify which time zone
for the 3pm presser from Phoenix.
Cain on Kimmel
**AUDIO and web post
Mark Levin Nails This Latest Herman Cain Stuff
Posted by: MacAoidh on Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 2:10
He knew this crap was coming. And he absolutely hits it spot on.
Herman Cain might well be a harasser. But as Levin does a great job of analyzing yesterdays Gloria Allred circus act, its a great bet that he never laid a hand on Sharon Bialek.
Why? Because Gloria Allred only takes on clients like Sharon Bialek who are looking to get media attention in support of a check from somebody, or to pursue an agenda. Go back and remember Allreds October Surprise smear of Meg Whitman in the California governors race last year, when she paraded a client in front of the cameras to say Hey, guess what? Im an illegal alien, and Im on your TV to tell you I was working as a maid at Megs crib.
Ever heard of a lawyer who advises her client to go on TV and admit to having committed a crime for the purposes of publicity and not to get immunity? Most people would say that Lawyering 101s first lesson is that you tell your client who has exposure to be deported for being an illegal alien NOT TO SAY ANYTHING.
Most people arent Gloria Allred. Most people arent that shameless. Most lawyers couldnt bring themselves to be such dirty media whores.
But Gloria has made a career of diving into sewers the majority of left-wing psychopaths wouldnt dream of. This is her stock in trade.
And because it is, the simple fact that Sharon Bialek was willing to show up with Gloria Allred tells you all you need to know about her credibility. Its nil. People with credibility dont hire sleazebags like Gloria Allred to rep them.
So Sharon Bialek lacks credibility. Know what she doesnt lack? An interesting and perhaps suggestive history. Heres somebody who FIRST OF ALL IS FROM CHICAGO. Heavens I wonder how THAT could possibly be significant?
Theres a good bit more
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The public record on Bialek begins in 1991 when she filed personal bankruptcy for the first time while living in Des Plaines.
Between 1993 and 1996 Bialek worked for four different companies in promotion and marketing positions.
In 1996, and part of 1997, Bialek was at the National Restaurant Association. After being let go from that job in mid-1997, she says that she went to Washington, D.C., to meet with Cain, president of the association, because she needed a job.
In 1999, Bialeks son Nicholas was born and a paternity lawsuit was filed by the father, a media executive.
In 2001 came Bialeks second personal bankruptcy, filed after sizable legal bills. That year she was hired by WGN radio where she worked until 2004 when she took a marketing job and then a job at WCKG radio.
Along the way, according to her attorney, Bialek also held positions with Revlon and Easter Seals.
Bialek currently lives in Mundelein with fiance Mark Harwood.
Shes of the same political persuasion as Herman Cain, Harwood said. There was no money on the table to go and have an interview. This is truly about an American girl whos got a big heart and wants to do the right thing.
Our good buddy Quin Hillyers reaction was spot on with this, if not quite as strong as Levins dismissal though he (mistakenly, I think) walked it back.
The initial reaction
To that, I add this thought: If these allegations against Cain are UNtrue, then this is one of the vilest episodes in American political history. The ladys allegation today is so graphic that if it is a lie, it is absolutely sickening.
What really puzzles me is that if these allegations ARE true, I dont see how Herman Cain could possibly have thought he could run for president and not have these stories come out. I mean, I can sort of see Cain thinking that two vague allegations of the you are the same height as my wife sort would not be any reason at all to keep him from the presidency.
But if he is a serial lout whose loutishness includes two official allegations of harassment of anywhere near the sort as the non-harassment loutishness described today, it makes NO sense for him to put himself in the public eye. He HAD to know these things would come out.
Oddly enough, todays allegation of under-skirt exploration makes me more inclined, or at least WANT to be inclined, to believe Cain. This is probably a perverse psychological reaction from me: I just cant bear the thought of somebody who seemed so admirable turn out instead to be not just a borderline serial harasser, but a serial serious harasser and groper.
Is it just me, or is todays allegation just too over the top to be believable?
But then, the walkback
UPDATE: To be clear, I am not saying that I found Ms. Bialek personally to be not believable. She did not come across as a liar. I am just saying that I dont want to believe both that Cain would have been such a serial lout and that he would run for president if he had been like that.
In short, in a vacuum, on paper, its just hard to believe todays accusation. Watching and listening to Ms. Bialek is NOT, however, a vacuum. She did not acquit herself badly.
Nah, he blew it.
Bialek wasnt credible. First of all, when your lawyer, whos supposed to be the one presenting your story as something serious and believable, calls the tale Cains idea of a stimulus package, she all but hands out push-cards which announce that this is a blatant political smear.
And second, if you watched that press conference it looks a lot like Bialek is just reading something theyd given her a day or so ago. Shes doing a little junior-grade acting, nothing more. If she remembered the story that well, there was hardly any reason to have to read it.
After all, this is somebody whose background is supposedly marketing and promotions, and shes got to read a statement written from her own traumatic personal experiences off a piece of paper at a press conference?
Bialek fits this thing perfectly. Shes broke and needs a check, shes from Chicago, so the right people could easily have dug her up, she could credibly be presented as vulnerable to Cain since she apparently went to him about getting her old job back (or something), she apparently could have been in a position to credibly claim she was alone with him so as to make this a he-said, she-said thing that cant be disproved offhand and she doesnt particularly come from a political background (apparently) that would indicate shed be immediately marked as a lefty.
Chances are shes the type wholl say anything for a buck no offense to marketing and promotions people, but in that business saying things for a buck is pretty much what you do.
So she gets approached, turns out shes busted now like shes been most of her life, and she gets offered the opportunity of a lifetime. Probably got a $300 haircut and a major wardrobe enhancement along with a big-time spa day in the bargain so shed look good in front of the cameras in the bargain, and now Allred is shopping her around to ABC, CBS and NBC so shell get the check.
And once she does, she gets to go away except maybe shell get a deadhead job working for some connected people back in Chicago who are grateful for her role in spiking the guy at the top of the GOP polls.
This is vile stuff. Quin had that right. Quin is also the guy who has been warning the Right for over a year that Obama and his people on the Left would stoop to any level in order to win next year. Now, when theres evidence hes correct for Petes sake GLORIA ALLRED reared her disgusting head today and he backs down?
I feel like Keyshawn Johnson: Cmon, man.
After all, Quins the guy who wrote this
Obama is, to use the vernacular, an entirely different breed of cat. He does not think in conventional American political terms, or conventional societal terms. This is problematic: While some escapes from convention are devoutly to be desired, his model of action does not even nod to convention at all, and thus not to established and valuable societal norms. We want to celebrate American civilization; Obama wants to redefine it.
Ronald Reagan famously advised Americans to trust but verify; when it comes to Obama, conservatives should verify without trusting. We can even give him credit for what by his own lights are noble intentions, while knowing that there really is neither nobility nor admirability in them.
To deal with Obama, then, conservatives will need to keep our cool and keep our wits. But in keeping our cool, we must not be cold-blooded.
We act not in hatred for what Obama stands for, but through love for country, Constitution, and civil society. The better angels of our nature, guided by a tough-minded realism, must prevail.
Yes, its unfair to quote somebodys own words. Heaven forbid somebody might do that to me once. But we already know that the Left will stoop to any level to win elections.
Without political power, nothing about their ideology works; you cant be a progressive without the ability to dictate human behavior by force of arms, and so any means by which that power can be attained is justifiable.
You can work that one out for yourself as a little thought experiment, or you can just read your Alinsky and hell lay it out for you.
Given that, anybody who looks at Gloria Allreds sideshow today and her well-established track record (knock yourself out if youre not familiar with it) and doesnt see this as exactly what Hillyer said it would be back in December of last year is simply being far too nice.
Cains not even my guy. I think hes weak on policy and I cant stand that 9-9-9 plan with the federal sales tax on it. And his campaign team stinks, frankly the handling of this affair is evidence that hed do himself a favor by starting over.
That said, when faced with the quality of the people on the other side of the current political divide, conservatives simply dont have the luxury of eating our own. Cain has to be defended from this sex harassment stuff until such a time as someone CREDIBLE, without an obvious agenda, brings something specific to the table.
And dont come to me with this yeah, but there are so many of these allegations now that it looks like a pattern. Really? Says who? We already know that politics in America is full of absolutely shameless liars and thats not limited to the Left or the Obama clan, who look at falsehood as a sacrament.
And this is a culture so degraded that seemingly perfectly normal people will expose every sin, every character flaw and every ugly urge to the world just to get on reality TV; the idea that you could find a few Kim Kardashians or Michaele Salahis to gold-dig their way onto the evening news by embellishing some account of a meeting they might have had with Cain is hardly inconceivable.
Think a well-funded campaign with hundreds of millions of dollars at its disposal and an army of political hit men with nothing much to do until next year couldnt string something like this together?
Id bet on it before Id bet on Sharon Bialeks fish story being true.