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Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
New York Times ^ | 8 November 2011 | Mark Viera & Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: collegefootball; paterno; pedstate; psu; retirement; sandusky
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To: Tribune7
I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control.

You are correct. Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal. After all, was the boy crying or did the boy get off during the fondling.

121 posted on 11/08/2011 2:23:47 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though.

Are you kidding?

122 posted on 11/08/2011 2:25:07 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

Well the facts will eventually come out, but the evidence is pointing strongly toward enormous culpability on Paterno’s part.

That’s REAL world.

In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.


123 posted on 11/08/2011 2:25:49 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: allmendream
The guy was working out at the PennStatePedo gym last week reportedly, some nine years after the SECOND report of him being in the shower with a male child.

That's what bothers me about all of this. Paterno was a grandfather many times over. I'm a grandfather myself. If I learned of inappropriate behavior, regardless of whether it explicit in detail or just implied, and I reported it to my bosses and knew that the guy was still walking around free years later, I couldn't live with it. I would have been talking to the cops on my own in short order.
124 posted on 11/08/2011 2:28:38 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: EyeGuy
In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.

Plus a deal with the prosecutors to agree to testify against all his buddies.

125 posted on 11/08/2011 2:31:33 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: af_vet_rr
and knew that the guy was still walking around free years later, in your house ...

Referencing that he was still acessing Joe's locker room all this time.

126 posted on 11/08/2011 2:33:34 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: af_vet_rr
Exactly right.

Even if Paterno thought the 1998 incident of him being in a shower with a male child wasn't a big deal, no crime committed, investigation found nothing, etc- you think an almost identical situation just four years later would be “enough is enough!!!!!” to any man worthy of the name.

Paterno is scum. PennStatePedo football is scum. Woe to any decent men of decent character slimed by their association with such slimeballs.

127 posted on 11/08/2011 2:34:59 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
He was not “caught” the second time either if you want to get specific - he was “observed” engaging in anal sex in the shower with a child who was “observed” to be around 10 years old.

Actually, "caught in the act" more often than not means being seen in the act.

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 1998 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police,

Um, that was reported to the police. The police declined to charge Sandusky.

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 2002 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police

Read the Grand Jury report. It appears he had a long conversation about it with the head of the University Police

remove him from Penn State permanently.

And how, exactly, is he supposed to do that if the AD & head of the University Police Department and maybe the PSU prez himself are covering for him?

128 posted on 11/08/2011 2:36:47 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though. Are you kidding?

No, I'm not kidding. The guy was there for 32 years and a football hero. If he needed somebody to give him a recommendation, he probably could have gotten the school's president himself.

And I'm not even sure if a long-time faculty member needs anyone's recommendation to get that status at PSU.

What do you know about the process?

129 posted on 11/08/2011 2:41:24 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Well he was reported by the child for one and observed by the graduate student for the other - to me that means he was, of all the times he may have showered with male children at PennStatePedo - he was ‘caught’ twice. With ‘caught’ merely meaning that there was trouble arising from it, because people knew about it - but apparently the WRONG people - because the people who did know about BOTH incidents at PennStatePedo did ALMOST NOTHING - and let this guy run around PennState campus for almost ten years after the SECOND incident.

Obviously the University Police at PennStatePedo University are not the real Police - and more interested in the interests of PennStatePedo than some underage sodomized children.

That is why ALMOST TEN YEARS after the SECOND incident - saying ‘I did what I was supposed to do under the law’ is a travesty of minimalism and ‘the buck don't stop anywhere near here’ to any decent person.

This so called man was supposed to protect young men and develop them into champions - but he turned his facility over for YEARS to a man who just couldn't seem to stay out of the showers with male children. Something he knew well from two separate incidents for around TEN YEARS!

130 posted on 11/08/2011 2:45:29 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: NewinTexsas
Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal.

LOL. You sure seem to know your facts about the case. How old was Sandusky?

And "Joe's showers"? Did he have the power to keep Sandusky out of them.

With regard to showering with kids, if the head of the school police didn't think it a big deal; and the local LEO's didn't think it a big deal in '98, what exactly is Paterno supposed to do about it?

131 posted on 11/08/2011 2:45:49 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: EyeGuy
That’s REAL world. . . In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.

The real world is where you don't live. I'm giving you the facts -- at least as claimed in the Grand Jury report.

But you live in some fantasy world where Paterno never reported it to the police (i.e Schultz) and had some special power in which he could keep Sandusky from facilities to which appears to have had a contracted right to access, and that he had some sort of special investigative law enforcement ability that would enable him to purse crimes the average police couldn't.

I can't fight that fantasy.

132 posted on 11/08/2011 2:53:59 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal.

LOL. You sure seem to know your facts about the case. How old was Sandusky?

Fifty-four at the time of the 1998 molestation.

133 posted on 11/08/2011 2:58:00 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
he probably could have gotten the school's president himself.

Now why would President Spanier give a boy-banger emeritus status? Makes you wonder, huh?

134 posted on 11/08/2011 2:59:41 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Fair point.


135 posted on 11/08/2011 3:00:42 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
And how, exactly, is he supposed to do that if the AD & head of the University Police Department and maybe the PSU prez himself are covering for him?

One call to the Board of Directors or even to the governor!

136 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:17 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

The grand jury report seems to have left unanswered the issue of what exactly McQueary told Paterno about the 2002 incident. I wonder why?

I think that a possible answer is that Joe Paterno is cooperating with the prosecution and that the designated fallguys are the AD and the VP of Finance.

Paterno probably thought that he’d skate, but Spanier has been trying to get Paterno out of there since his last contract expired. University president Graham Spanier has to go... Paterno too.


137 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:31 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Tribune7
And I'm not even sure if a long-time faculty member needs anyone's recommendation to get that status at PSU. What do you know about the process?

Obviously, more than you.

138 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:59 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Now why would President Spanier give a boy-banger emeritus status? Makes you wonder, huh?

Yup.

Something is really screwed up at that school, and I truly don't believe that it is JoePa.

139 posted on 11/08/2011 3:02:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
Obviously, more than you.

So school me. What is the procedure to gain emeritus status at PSU? Why would he need JoePa's recommendation?

Was JoePa a department head?

140 posted on 11/08/2011 3:06:19 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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