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Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
New York Times ^ | 8 November 2011 | Mark Viera & Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

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To: Ramcat

My wife is a teacher.

They are required by law to notify authorities in situations like this. Not school officials, but Child protective services at the very least.

Even on hearsay.


101 posted on 11/08/2011 1:41:54 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Ramcat; All
If you took any time to read the accounts of the story the grad assistant didn't tell Paterno the details of what he witnessed.

Ramcat, I'm over 50, so I don't have many heroes left. Joe Paterno was one of them until yesterday.

I took the time to read the Grand Jury Presentment.

First, there is one thing that is missing from the Presentment. After you notice that it's missing, you get this empty feeling in your gut. The Presentment follows the four men - McQuery, Paterno, Curley, and Schultz. It specifically goes over what Party A tells Party B, and what Party B tells Party C, and so forth. If Party B disagrees with Party A about what was told, then the Presentment sets forth both sides of the story.

Everywhere except once.

The Presentment is very, very careful not to mention what McQuery told the investigators that he told Paterno. All other conversations between all parties - even if they met multiple times - are detailed. McQuery told his father it was anal rape. McQuery told Curley it was anal rape. McQuery told Curley and Schultz it was anal rape. McQuery meets again and says it was anal rape. Schultz says he only heard "wrestling" and Sandusky may have accidentally grabbed a boy's genitals. Curley says he heard x. And so forth.

But the Presentment is careful never to state what McQuery says he told Paterno. It only says what Paterno says he was told.

Maybe Paterno wasn't told. But you have to wonder why McQuery would put himself in the position of incurring the wrath of his former coach, the man he still works for today, the man who WAS Penn State. Why would McQuery tell his father, 'anal rape,' then tell Joe Paterno something different, and then tell everyone after that 'anal rape'?

Second, Paterno didn't witness it first-hand. But neither did Curley or Schultz. So they were supposed to involve the police on hearsay, but Paterno wasn't? The Pennsylvania State Police Commissioner publicly stated yesterday that Paterno failed his moral obligation to report this to the police.

Third, it appears the first charges against Sandusky surfaced in 1994, when he was an active coach, Paterno's good friend and defensive coordinator, and the heir apparent to the PSU coaching job. Then, in 1998, the University Police investigated Sandusky for multiple incidents involving boys and the football showers. In 1998, a Penn State player couldn't drink an extra beer without JoePa knowing about it. You don't think he knew that his defensive coordinator was being investigated for molesting boys in the football showers? And now - does it make sense why Sandusky unexpectedly announced his 'early retirement' in 1999?

But instead of being kicked to the curb, which Joe Paterno could have done, Sandusky was given emeritus status, with an office in the athletic building, a parking spot, keys to the athletic facilities, tuition discounts for his kids, an internet accounts, and perquisites . . . such as bringing boys with him to football practices, and pre-game football banquets, and to tour the football locker room whenever he wanted.

And so, when McQueary reported to JoePa on a Saturday morning that Sandusky was in the shower with a young (ten year-old) boy the night before, you don't think JoePa would be curious? Or remorseful?

And why did JoePa wait to repot the incident until the next day? And when the police were never called, and Sandusky still had his office, and was still showing up at football events, and was being allowed to host SLEEPOVER camps for boys using the football facilities, you don't think Paterno should have asked a few questions?

In 2002, the AD, Curley, was Paterno's superior only on a organizational chart. If Paterno wanted Curley to call the University Police, he would have told him to do it, and Curley would have done it. Paterno could have called the President directly, or told Curley to do it. Paterno could have told the Trustees to meet at his house and told them to yank Sandusky's emeritus status, if that's what it took.

But he turned a blind eye to the fact that the guy that was booted from the program in 1999 for molesting boys in the football showers still had access to the football showers. And was still bringing boys there. And he was letting the guy bring boys to pre-game banquets. And use the football facilities for sleepover camps.

Is any of this beginning to give you a sick feeling about Paterno? Because he was my one and only hero among NCAA football coaches. And now I know that, to avoid bringing shame on Penn State by disclosing that a pedophile was associated with it, he let the pedophile continue to use the Penn State football program as the 'candy' to continue luring young boys into those showers.

102 posted on 11/08/2011 1:47:10 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
The Presentment is very, very careful not to mention what McQuery told the investigators that he told Paterno.

Yes. And Paterno has agreed to testify against Schultz and Curley. Too obvious.

103 posted on 11/08/2011 1:56:16 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: bjorn14; All
Not discussed in here is the little mystery connected to Ray Gricar who served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 and would not file charges on Sandusky. Sandusky retired in 1999.

Then there is the 2002 incident. Gricar disappears in 2005. The HD to his laptop is found in the river.

Former Penn State Coach Prosecutor Center of Missing Man Mystery

104 posted on 11/08/2011 1:59:42 PM PST by QT3.14 (Trapped on Leftopia's west coast amongst defective cyborg Leftoids)
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To: Tribune7

Please remove me from the PA ping list, I’ve moved to the Sunshine State :)


105 posted on 11/08/2011 2:02:09 PM PST by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: QT3.14
Not discussed in here is the little mystery connected to Ray Gricar who served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 and would not file charges on Sandusky. Sandusky retired in 1999.

Discussed in more detail in other threads.

106 posted on 11/08/2011 2:04:13 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: allmendream
But that is just semantics.

It changes the whole meaning of what you implied.

In the one incident, the mother contacted law and they investigated.

And they declined to file charges, just simply warning him not to shower with kids.

What was Paterno supposed to do about that?

Other than, maybe, tell Sandusky he's through which he apparently did.

By the time 2011 rolled around the guy shouldn't have still been hanging around PennState.

Maybe, but Paterno wouldn't have had the power to kick him out. Sandusky was a prof emeritus.

I'm not so sure he was hanging around PSU that much in 2011, btw. The abuse investigation started in 2008 & he was booted out of Second Mile that year because of it.

107 posted on 11/08/2011 2:04:47 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Ramcat

“Take your BS to a Buckeye site”

At ease Francis. I barely know what a Buckeye is...and really don’t care.

From the indictment:

-Sandusky holds emeritus status
-Sandusky has an office in the Lasch Building on campus
-Sandusky is still listed in the faculty directory

You don’t think Paterno could have gotten him sent off campus with one phone call?

Sadly, Paterno looked the other way, sent it up the chain, and let it get swept under the rug....and more children were victimized.


108 posted on 11/08/2011 2:06:03 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Tribune7
I'm not so sure he was hanging around PSU that much in 2011, btw.

He held his youth football camps on-campus till 2009. He was observed working out in Joe's facilities last week. They took his keys away Sunday.

109 posted on 11/08/2011 2:07:06 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: PapaBear3625

“What was a young boy doing in a college shower?”

Part of a kids program called ‘Second Mile’. He is estimated to be 10-12 years old.


110 posted on 11/08/2011 2:07:16 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Drill Thrawl

From the indictment:

-Sandusky holds emeritus status
-Sandusky has an office in the Lasch Building on campus
-Sandusky is still listed in the faculty directory

You don’t think Paterno could have gotten him sent off campus with one phone call?


111 posted on 11/08/2011 2:08:37 PM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Tribune7

Thanks Tribune7.


112 posted on 11/08/2011 2:09:10 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: HamiltonJay

First, calm down. Second, notice the word, “if” in my post. Third, I agree with you, that, if Paterno knew of the activities of this scum sucking A-hole, then Paterno needs to go - and, without his retirement benefits. If it can be proved that Paterno participated in a cover up of this A-hole’s perversions against children, then Paterno should be brought up on charges. At the very least, the families of the victims should seek monetary damages from Paterno, and take as much as they can get.


113 posted on 11/08/2011 2:09:46 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Tribune7
Maybe, but Paterno wouldn't have had the power to kick him out. Sandusky was a prof emeritus.

Now, who would have recommended Sandusky for prof emeritus? After all, everyone from the President down to the janitors knew he was banging little boys in Joe's locker room. Makes you wonder, huh?

114 posted on 11/08/2011 2:11:23 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
Not at all does it change the meaning.

He was not “caught” the second time either if you want to get specific - he was “observed” engaging in anal sex in the shower with a child who was “observed” to be around 10 years old.

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 1998 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police, follow up on it, remove him from his job (which he apparently did, but still allowed him to run around PennStatePedo with young men).

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 2002 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police, follow up on it, remove him from Penn State permanently.

To claim Paterno couldn't remove Sandusky from the grounds of PennStatePedo football strains credulity.

I am not that credulous.

The guy was working out at the PennStatePedo gym last week reportedly, some nine years after the SECOND report of him being in the shower with a male child.

That may be what passes for decent human behavior at PennStatePedofileU - but it is a far cry from what most people I know would expect.

115 posted on 11/08/2011 2:11:23 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: EyeGuy
1) If Sandusky was not part of the football program, why did the Grad Student feel the need to report the incident to Paterno?

A bigger question is why didn't he report to police. As to why he reported it to Paterno it appears to be because his father told him to.

And, yes, Sandusky was not part of the football program. He was a emeritus professor with a right to access the training facilities.

2) I don’t think Paterno needed to be “told” anything. It is clear he had a very good idea that this was much more than “horseplay”, and of a serial nature.

I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control. I really don't think Paterno believed that Sandusky had raped a 10-year-old.

116 posted on 11/08/2011 2:17:25 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: EyeGuy
1) If Sandusky was not part of the football program, why did the Grad Student feel the need to report the incident to Paterno?

A bigger question is why didn't he report to police. As to why he reported it to Paterno it appears to be because his father told him to.

And, yes, Sandusky was not part of the football program. He was a emeritus professor with a right to access the training facilities.

2) I don’t think Paterno needed to be “told” anything. It is clear he had a very good idea that this was much more than “horseplay”, and of a serial nature.

I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control. I really don't think Paterno believed that Sandusky had raped a 10-year-old.

117 posted on 11/08/2011 2:17:42 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Dan Nunn

You lucky guy! :-)
Will do, Dan.


118 posted on 11/08/2011 2:19:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control. I really don't think Paterno believed that Sandusky had raped a 10-year-old.

So he didn't believe his grad assistant accusations? I goes beyond reality that he would then turn around and hire McQueary after McQueary made false accusations against his coach and PSU icon.

119 posted on 11/08/2011 2:20:38 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Now, who would have recommended Sandusky for prof emeritus? After all, everyone from the President down to the janitors knew he was banging little boys in Joe's locker room. Makes you wonder, huh?

It does actually. I don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though.

120 posted on 11/08/2011 2:23:35 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
I'm inclined to think he thought Sandusky was doing something he shouldn't be doing but that the authorities tasked with determining such things found that it didn't reach the level of being destructively traumatic and had it under control.

You are correct. Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal. After all, was the boy crying or did the boy get off during the fondling.

121 posted on 11/08/2011 2:23:47 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though.

Are you kidding?

122 posted on 11/08/2011 2:25:07 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

Well the facts will eventually come out, but the evidence is pointing strongly toward enormous culpability on Paterno’s part.

That’s REAL world.

In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.


123 posted on 11/08/2011 2:25:49 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: allmendream
The guy was working out at the PennStatePedo gym last week reportedly, some nine years after the SECOND report of him being in the shower with a male child.

That's what bothers me about all of this. Paterno was a grandfather many times over. I'm a grandfather myself. If I learned of inappropriate behavior, regardless of whether it explicit in detail or just implied, and I reported it to my bosses and knew that the guy was still walking around free years later, I couldn't live with it. I would have been talking to the cops on my own in short order.
124 posted on 11/08/2011 2:28:38 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: EyeGuy
In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.

Plus a deal with the prosecutors to agree to testify against all his buddies.

125 posted on 11/08/2011 2:31:33 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: af_vet_rr
and knew that the guy was still walking around free years later, in your house ...

Referencing that he was still acessing Joe's locker room all this time.

126 posted on 11/08/2011 2:33:34 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: af_vet_rr
Exactly right.

Even if Paterno thought the 1998 incident of him being in a shower with a male child wasn't a big deal, no crime committed, investigation found nothing, etc- you think an almost identical situation just four years later would be “enough is enough!!!!!” to any man worthy of the name.

Paterno is scum. PennStatePedo football is scum. Woe to any decent men of decent character slimed by their association with such slimeballs.

127 posted on 11/08/2011 2:34:59 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
He was not “caught” the second time either if you want to get specific - he was “observed” engaging in anal sex in the shower with a child who was “observed” to be around 10 years old.

Actually, "caught in the act" more often than not means being seen in the act.

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 1998 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police,

Um, that was reported to the police. The police declined to charge Sandusky.

What was Paterno supposed to do about the 2002 incident? I don't know, how about what any decent human being should do? Report it to the Police

Read the Grand Jury report. It appears he had a long conversation about it with the head of the University Police

remove him from Penn State permanently.

And how, exactly, is he supposed to do that if the AD & head of the University Police Department and maybe the PSU prez himself are covering for him?

128 posted on 11/08/2011 2:36:47 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
don't know that he would have needed Paterno's recommendation, though. Are you kidding?

No, I'm not kidding. The guy was there for 32 years and a football hero. If he needed somebody to give him a recommendation, he probably could have gotten the school's president himself.

And I'm not even sure if a long-time faculty member needs anyone's recommendation to get that status at PSU.

What do you know about the process?

129 posted on 11/08/2011 2:41:24 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Well he was reported by the child for one and observed by the graduate student for the other - to me that means he was, of all the times he may have showered with male children at PennStatePedo - he was ‘caught’ twice. With ‘caught’ merely meaning that there was trouble arising from it, because people knew about it - but apparently the WRONG people - because the people who did know about BOTH incidents at PennStatePedo did ALMOST NOTHING - and let this guy run around PennState campus for almost ten years after the SECOND incident.

Obviously the University Police at PennStatePedo University are not the real Police - and more interested in the interests of PennStatePedo than some underage sodomized children.

That is why ALMOST TEN YEARS after the SECOND incident - saying ‘I did what I was supposed to do under the law’ is a travesty of minimalism and ‘the buck don't stop anywhere near here’ to any decent person.

This so called man was supposed to protect young men and develop them into champions - but he turned his facility over for YEARS to a man who just couldn't seem to stay out of the showers with male children. Something he knew well from two separate incidents for around TEN YEARS!

130 posted on 11/08/2011 2:45:29 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: NewinTexsas
Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal.

LOL. You sure seem to know your facts about the case. How old was Sandusky?

And "Joe's showers"? Did he have the power to keep Sandusky out of them.

With regard to showering with kids, if the head of the school police didn't think it a big deal; and the local LEO's didn't think it a big deal in '98, what exactly is Paterno supposed to do about it?

131 posted on 11/08/2011 2:45:49 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: EyeGuy
That’s REAL world. . . In the legal world, deployment of lawyerly techniques such as your obfuscations, shadings, misdirections and subtleties may actually save his rear-end.

The real world is where you don't live. I'm giving you the facts -- at least as claimed in the Grand Jury report.

But you live in some fantasy world where Paterno never reported it to the police (i.e Schultz) and had some special power in which he could keep Sandusky from facilities to which appears to have had a contracted right to access, and that he had some sort of special investigative law enforcement ability that would enable him to purse crimes the average police couldn't.

I can't fight that fantasy.

132 posted on 11/08/2011 2:53:59 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Fifty year-old guys fondling ten year olds in Joe's showers is not that big of a deal.

LOL. You sure seem to know your facts about the case. How old was Sandusky?

Fifty-four at the time of the 1998 molestation.

133 posted on 11/08/2011 2:58:00 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
he probably could have gotten the school's president himself.

Now why would President Spanier give a boy-banger emeritus status? Makes you wonder, huh?

134 posted on 11/08/2011 2:59:41 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

Fair point.


135 posted on 11/08/2011 3:00:42 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
And how, exactly, is he supposed to do that if the AD & head of the University Police Department and maybe the PSU prez himself are covering for him?

One call to the Board of Directors or even to the governor!

136 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:17 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

The grand jury report seems to have left unanswered the issue of what exactly McQueary told Paterno about the 2002 incident. I wonder why?

I think that a possible answer is that Joe Paterno is cooperating with the prosecution and that the designated fallguys are the AD and the VP of Finance.

Paterno probably thought that he’d skate, but Spanier has been trying to get Paterno out of there since his last contract expired. University president Graham Spanier has to go... Paterno too.


137 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:31 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Tribune7
And I'm not even sure if a long-time faculty member needs anyone's recommendation to get that status at PSU. What do you know about the process?

Obviously, more than you.

138 posted on 11/08/2011 3:01:59 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
Now why would President Spanier give a boy-banger emeritus status? Makes you wonder, huh?

Yup.

Something is really screwed up at that school, and I truly don't believe that it is JoePa.

139 posted on 11/08/2011 3:02:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
Obviously, more than you.

So school me. What is the procedure to gain emeritus status at PSU? Why would he need JoePa's recommendation?

Was JoePa a department head?

140 posted on 11/08/2011 3:06:19 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7

“I can’t fight that fantasy.”

####

Or the tidal wave of individuals of all stripes, who can recognize plain truth and facts, and are calling for Paterno to step down, or worse.

Now who is it that has the fictional construct?


141 posted on 11/08/2011 3:09:09 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Tallguy
I think that a possible answer is that Joe Paterno is cooperating with the prosecution and that the designated fallguys are the AD and the VP of Finance.

I think Paterno is an honest and decent guy who is cooperating because it is the right thing to do. I think Curley and Schultz are in trouble because they knew a very serious crime occurred and ignored it, and then lied under oath to cover their butts.

But we shall see.

142 posted on 11/08/2011 3:13:18 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Ramcat

Hmmm, and to think there were people bagging on Jim Tressel for keeping quiet and not ratting out his own players.

Not that either coach is above reproach, but I will take trading player owned memorabilia for tattoos over sodomizing little kids in the locker room ANY DAY.

You can take THAT BS back to Pedo State.


143 posted on 11/08/2011 3:18:10 PM PST by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: Tribune7
I think Paterno is an honest and decent guy who is cooperating because it is the right thing to do. I think Curley and Schultz are in trouble because they knew a very serious crime occurred and ignored it, and then lied under oath to cover their butts.

Oh I completely agree that Curley & Schultz are in serious legal trouble, and rightly so. I just think that, maybe, the prosecutor is expecting that Paterno will provide the narrative to tie this story up nice & neat for the jury. It may well be that Graham Spanier & PSU are expecting the same. But it looks like the fire has already jumped the fire-breaks.

144 posted on 11/08/2011 3:18:31 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Tribune7
I think Paterno is an honest and decent guy who is cooperating because it is the right thing to do.

He's also a grandfather many times over.

And yet he knew that a pedophile still walked freely and never saw the inside of a jail for many years afterward.

I'm a grandfather. If I knew of a pedophile walking freely, even if I didn't have specifics, and I told my bosses, and they did nothing, and the guy was still walking around, I'm not going to wait for the guy to die of old age, I'm going to talk to the cops.
145 posted on 11/08/2011 3:19:39 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Ramcat

“And, the grad assistant wasn’t specific as to what took place.”

Oh really? Well that’s what JoePa said anyway. Is that what McQueary said? Can’t tell....they aren’t telling us.

Paterno claims it was a vague description of something inappropriate of a sexual nature in the shower.
He says McQueary was clearly upset.
So....if JoePa didn’t ask the obvious...”well, what EXACTLY did you see Mike?”.....is that a problem?

This is on top of Paterno claiming he didn’t know about 1998.
That is very difficult to believe.

It appears that JoePa didn’t know a heluva lot doesn’t it?

And yet, Sandusky kept showing up at games with boys. He kept coaching youth camps at PSU satellite campuses.

Sandusky kept his office.
Heck...he worked out on campus just last week.


146 posted on 11/08/2011 3:20:19 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: Ramcat

no one involved with football? really.

the football facilities are a sacred universe - given access only to the annointed.

JoePa is the King.

Not involved with football? you don’t have the key - you can’t use the facility - you can’t use the workout room, the sauna, the showers.

Guess who came and went with boy after boy?
He was clearly comfortable in those football facilities.
Guess who kept an office all these years?
Guess who kept bringing boys to games?

You don’t think that if JoePa doesn’t want you in his kingdom that you would be banned?

Did you read the account of Mike McQueary walking away from a child who was being raped IN THE FOOTBALL FACILITY?
Walked away.
Went home and called his dad.


147 posted on 11/08/2011 3:26:26 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: af_vet_rr
And yet he knew that a pedophile still walked freely and never saw the inside of a jail for many years afterward.

Knowing and suspecting are different things.

The matters involving Sandusky that likely came to Paterno's attentions were the 1998 one which was investigated by police who ended it by just giving him a warning not to shower with kids; and the 2002 one which ended with university administrators saying they investigated it, found it to be horseplay and that Sandusky couldn't bring kids to the facilities anymore.

I'm not sure what Paterno could have done.

And I do think there is something seriously corrupt with Penn State.

148 posted on 11/08/2011 3:33:04 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7

So you are saying that if Joe Paterno, the GOD of Penn State football, had gone to the University and demanded they be rid of Sandusky, that they would not have done so?

If you believe that then you seem to be the one with the fantasies on the brain.

The next question should be, why DIDN’T JoePa demand that Sandusky not be allowed anywhere near his program? Wasn’t the hallmark of the PSU program “Success with Honor”? Should Paterno have done that if he had any concern whatsoever that something of this nature was going on.

Sandusky was still holding football camps and recruiting on behalf of the football program.
http://webcenters.netscape.compuserve.com/news/story.jsp?floc=ne-story-9-l4&idq=/ff/story/1001%2F20111108%2F8261.htm&sc=+

Paterno MAY have abided by the law. But wasn’t his reputation and the reputation of his program supposed to be about much more than doing the minimum? And to think PSU fans criticized Jim Tressel and OSU.


149 posted on 11/08/2011 3:34:42 PM PST by BizBroker (Democrats- Don't want 'em, Don't need 'em, Can't use 'em, Couldn't afford 'em if I did!)
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To: Scoutmaster

“The Presentment is very, very careful not to mention what McQuery told the investigators that he told Paterno”

Yes. Thank you.
That has been bothering me, and you are the first I’ve seen articulate it.

There is something very strange...like - maybe they don’t want to put an 84 yr. old man in jail. Especially if his name is Joe Paterno.


150 posted on 11/08/2011 3:35:51 PM PST by Scotswife
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