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Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
New York Times ^ | 8 November 2011 | Mark Viera & Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Joe Paterno’s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on conversations among the university’s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious national brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Paterno was to have held a news conference Tuesday but the university canceled it less than an hour before it was scheduled to start.

At age 84 and with 46 seasons as the Penn State head coach behind him, Paterno’s extraordinary run of success — one that produced tens of millions of dollars for the school and two national championships, and that established him as one of the nation’s most revered leaders, will end with a stunning and humiliating final chapter.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: collegefootball; paterno; pedstate; psu; retirement; sandusky
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To: EyeGuy
Why don’t you get you head out of your disgustingly biased asz and answer an honest question? I’m trying to understand the DETAILS of this case and was looking for facts. It is quite clear I need to look elsewhere.

Thanks for the attack.
I'm not sure of your intentions but I understood your questions to be accusatory without adding any proof. Much like Politico.
If you are here seeking information about the incident just google Paterno / Penn State and read what Joe had to say.
Is it disgustingly biased to defend an honorable and distinguished man who has positively impacted thousands of men and women?

51 posted on 11/08/2011 12:27:12 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: PapaBear3625
As with may pedophiles, they seek out places and positions where they will have access to children - particularly troubled children.

The Penn State pedophile ran a program for troubled young men - he had access to Penn State athletic facilities - and he brought the young men to Penn State from his troubled youth program.

So that is what a young boy was doing in a college shower.

What an adult was doing in the shower with him, and why just his presence there was not grounds from removing him permanently from Penn State is something I cannot answer.

52 posted on 11/08/2011 12:28:14 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: USNA74

I believe that is correct. I believe Paterno ran to the admin within 24 hours of being told (I think he was told on Saturday and reported on Sunday), and then the entire thing was buried. Their is a great deal of coverup resulting in criminal actvity here and heads need to roll at PSU.


53 posted on 11/08/2011 12:28:24 PM PST by bereanway
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To: mojito
It's pretty clear that by 1998 everyone, including Paterno, knew that Sandusky was a pedophile, and it lead to Sandusky’s “retirement” in 1999.

What did Courtney know and when did he know it and what did he advise who to do?

54 posted on 11/08/2011 12:29:02 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...

ping


55 posted on 11/08/2011 12:30:21 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Ramcat
If you witnessed something of this nature at work (assuming you don't own the company), would you tell your boss or call the cops?

Well, first of all I'd put a beat down on Sandusky, and I'm not Mike McQueary. Then, I'd call the cops.

What on earth would lead someone to turn the other way and let that rape continue? That was a TEN YEAR OLD KID BEING ANALLY RAPED!!! It seems that it'd be hard wired into any normal person to intervene.

What does that say about the culture of Penn State? These coaches walk around like Gods and no one questions their actions.

This whole story is disgusting.

56 posted on 11/08/2011 12:30:56 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: mojito

“It’s pretty clear that by 1998 everyone, including Paterno, knew that Sandusky was a pedophile, and it lead to Sandusky’s “retirement” in 1999.”

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Ok, so then was Sandusky not seen ANYWHERE NEAR the Penn State program after 1999?

If so, then I’d say Paterno and crew are relatively in the clear, depending on how long BEFORE 1999 they knew about this?


57 posted on 11/08/2011 12:33:06 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Ramcat
If you witnessed something of this nature at work (assuming you don't own the company), would you tell your boss or call the cops?

I'd call the cops. Actually, I'd like to think I would have punched the fellow out and dragged the poor kid out of there.

OTOH, if someone simply told me about it without going into specifics, and I wasn't really sure I believed it, I'd probably would just pass it down the line, if that.

58 posted on 11/08/2011 12:34:43 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Amerikan_Samurai

I just read the Grand Jury indictment via a link in a previous thread. It sounds like the Penn State administrators were only worried about protecting the school’s reputation, with little concern about learning the truth.

But the testimony about the 2002 shower incident is particularly strange. If the timeline is correct, several people didn’t see any need to immediately report a serious crime to the police:

The 28-yr old graduate assistant reportedly saw Sandusky sodomizing a 10-yr old boy in the locker room shower; then the assistant left the area, went to his office, and telephoned his father. His father told him to leave the building and come home.

The next morning, the graduate assistant notified Paterno, and the day after that Paterno notified Athletic Director Curley. Then 1.5 weeks later, Curley met with the graduate assistant.

From the moment the 28-yr old assistant witnessed the sodomy being performed on the juvenile victim, none of these Penn State air-heads thought to immediately help the 10-yr old boy. Morally, ethically, and perhaps legally, they were wrong.

If the graduate assistant is telling the truth (the Grand Jury said he is credible), Paterno and Curley should be ashamed of themselves.


59 posted on 11/08/2011 12:34:43 PM PST by 04-Bravo
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To: EyeGuy
Well, obviously. That is the easy and expected cop-out answer.

Huh?

60 posted on 11/08/2011 12:35:54 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: Ramcat
Will they return the millions he and Sue donated to the University?

That's a good point. Penn State really ought to return that money - it's tainted now.

They can't continue to look the other way and pretend this didn't happen.

61 posted on 11/08/2011 12:36:02 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Well, first of all I'd put a beat down on Sandusky,...

There we agree. Then, I'd call the cops.

Me too, but I don't work for the university. If I did, I'd report it to my boss, which he did.
What does that say about the culture of Penn State? These coaches walk around like Gods and no one questions their actions.

The guy wasn't a coach when this went down. I'd like to kick his arse right now.

62 posted on 11/08/2011 12:37:19 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: keat
Worse...Sandusky was caught anally raping a 10 y/o boy in the shower and Paterno was TOLD about it in 2002. Go away Joe...now.

Penn State should have no football for 5 years. Joe Pa wasn't the only enabler of gay pedophilic sex within the athletic department and football bureaucracy...you can believe that.

63 posted on 11/08/2011 12:37:26 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: keat
Worse...Sandusky was caught anally raping a 10 y/o boy in the shower and Paterno was TOLD about it in 2002. Go away Joe...now.

Penn State should have no football for 5 years. Joe Pa wasn't the only enabler of gay pedophilic sex within the athletic department and football bureaucracy...you can believe that.

64 posted on 11/08/2011 12:37:46 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: 04-Bravo

The witnesses to the 2002 shower incident claim they were new employees and apparently worried about their jobs. So too bad for the kid, I guess. /sarc


65 posted on 11/08/2011 12:38:26 PM PST by workerbee (We're not scared, Maobama -- we're pissed off!)
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To: EyeGuy
Read the Grand Jury report:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2804362/posts

Even though Sandusky “retired” in 1999, he held “emeritus” status and continued to have an office and full use of the PSU football facilities.

66 posted on 11/08/2011 12:39:03 PM PST by mojito
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To: Tribune7

“OTOH, if someone simply told me about it without going into specifics, and I wasn’t really sure I believed it, I’d probably would just pass it down the line, if that.”

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Even if you were the boss?

If you were in charge, or had any responsibility, official or otherwise, don’t you feel it would be vitally important to force the revelation of “specifics”?


67 posted on 11/08/2011 12:39:22 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Conservative_Rob
My real question is, why is the press so up in arms. Aren’t we supposed to embrace homosexuality, and isn’t intergenerational sex supposed to be the next taboo that is to be abolished???

An excellent point. Perhaps they've so saturated the culture with the idea that it isn't homosexual activity when it's a man raping a boy.

68 posted on 11/08/2011 12:39:39 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: Pharmboy

More disgusting is the 1998 “caught in the showers with a minor” report that led to him no longer being a direct part of the Penn State program - but still given access to the facilities; thus leading up to the 2002 report - that was also ignored.


69 posted on 11/08/2011 12:39:45 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: EyeGuy

Or not just the specifics of the 2002 ‘caught in the shower with a minor male’ incident - but ALSO the 1998 ‘caught in the shower with a minor male’ incident.

But no, two credible reports of the guy in the shower with the troubled young men he is supposed to be helping - and almost ten years after TWO credible reports - nothing.


70 posted on 11/08/2011 12:43:28 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Conservative_Rob

“My real question is, why is the press so up in arms. “

One of the NWO goals of the press is to knock down anything or anyone that appears good or excellent or noble, in order to demonstrate that Communist slime bags are just as good as us.

That’s Leftist thinking.


71 posted on 11/08/2011 12:45:45 PM PST by RoadTest (For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: SoldierDad

ARE YOU KIDDING ME??

One of his coaches comes to him and tells him he caught Sandusky in the shower with underage boys having sex, and all he does is tell his boss, and wash his hands, but he has NOTHING to do with it? JOPA is in this cover up as deep as anyone!

He basically covered his ass legally and then went on to allow this predator to molest children for another 9 years!

He needs GONE, and frankly should be facing jail time for not reporting it to police.

Penn State will be financially bankrupt if Jo Pa isn’t gone and gone quickly, no alumni or endowment is going to send cash their way as long as he is still there. He put not risking destroying a friend over doing what was right.


72 posted on 11/08/2011 12:48:12 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: mojito

Combining these two statements:

1) “It’s pretty clear that by 1998 everyone, including Paterno, knew that Sandusky was a pedophile, and it lead to Sandusky’s “retirement” in 1999.

2)”Even though Sandusky “retired” in 1999, he held “emeritus” status and continued to have an office and full use of the PSU football facilities.

Clearly indicates to me that Paterno et al are fully culpable for whatever occured after 1999.

Of course, maybe I’m missing some....ahem....nuances.


73 posted on 11/08/2011 12:49:48 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: SoldierDad
Why would Paterno need to leave if he had nothing to do with the scandal?

Leaving the scandal aside for the moment -- something that's impossible to do -- there are officials who were trying to get Joe Paterno to retire when his last contract expired. I think Joe beares an enourmous responsibility for what happened, but I can see the university leveraging these events to force Joe out.

74 posted on 11/08/2011 12:50:01 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: allmendream
More disgusting is the 1998 “caught in the showers with a minor” report that led to him no longer being a direct part of the Penn State program - but still given access to the facilities; thus leading up to the 2002 report - that was also ignored.

Is that information in the grand jury report?
If not could you provide a link to it?
I've got to leave this thread now. I'm sickened by this whole incident.
But, I'm not ready nor am I willing to throw Joe under the bus until all the facts are out.

75 posted on 11/08/2011 12:50:42 PM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: Tallguy

It just makes sense to completely clean house after this.....even possibly shutting down the football program for a year, if need be. That’s how ugly this is.


76 posted on 11/08/2011 12:52:14 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Tallguy
I think Joe beares an enourmous responsibility for what happened, but I can see the university leveraging these events to force Joe out.

When this is all over, a lot more folks than just JoePa are going to be gone, if not in jail.

77 posted on 11/08/2011 12:52:33 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Ramcat
Me too, but I don't work for the university. If I did, I'd report it to my boss, which he did.

I disagree. Raping a child is a law enforcement issue, not an administrative one.

The guy wasn't a coach when this went down.

Yet he still had that cache that stopped McQuaery from intervening. That's what's most shocking about this whole thing.

78 posted on 11/08/2011 12:53:35 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: trumandogz
The NCAA needs to slap heavy sanctions on Penn State up to and including the Death Penalty.

This might be a little bit outside the NCAA's normal jurisdiction. Just sayin'.

79 posted on 11/08/2011 12:56:33 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: 04-Bravo
IF the (28 year old at the time) graduate assistant is telling the truth...

...someone should ask him where HIS genitals were while he stood there and watched a 10 year old boy getting raped by the sick old perv?

Instead his reaction was to run to an office(?) and call his daddy(?)

I know TV/movies, etc. have gone out of their way to deliberately emasculate males in the last 40 years with their agenda/propaganda "programming",...but, WTF?

80 posted on 11/08/2011 12:58:28 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!...P.S. Why did FR ZOT Frantzie?)
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To: Ramcat
Click here.

After reading this, you will have a very hard time defending any of the gay pedophilic sex enablers at Penn State.

81 posted on 11/08/2011 12:58:28 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: EyeGuy
Even if you were the boss?

If I was the person responsible for initiating the investigation, I would have to investigate.

If I was the person, not responsible for initiating the investigation, then I would inform the one who is supposed to.

How about you?

If I was the "boss" btw -- and Paterno was not in this case -- this would very likely mean not investigating it myself but directing the matter to HR or security, who presumably would have the training to determine whether state law enforcement should be involved.

I'm reading the Grand Jury report now. It appears Paterno did follow up with a conversation with the head of the University Police (Schultz), and it was Schultz and Curley who blew the whole thing off.

If one is a witness, obviously, one then should call the police first, which in this case very well might have meant that campus police would have been first on the scene.

82 posted on 11/08/2011 1:00:52 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I wanna know what did Graham Spanier know, and when did he know it?

Time for the seven figure salaried Spanier to fall.

83 posted on 11/08/2011 1:03:50 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Ramcat
Do you think his family knew he was a monster.?

IMO, his wife knew or suspected. According to GJ testimony, at her husband's request, she called Victim # 7 on the phone several times before Sandusky was arrested, trying to get the boy not to testify or something or other. ... What a distasteful spectacle.

84 posted on 11/08/2011 1:04:18 PM PST by Nonstatist
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To: Tallguy
Well, call me Nostradamus, but I think that Penn State may have some problems in the next few years with their recruitment program.

Picture this: this year, an all-state high school offensive tackle gets recruited by OSU, Michigan and Penn State. Where's he gonna go? Where might his dad suggest?

85 posted on 11/08/2011 1:05:23 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: trumandogz

What was the NCAA violation?

Don’t punish a team of young men who had NOTHING to do with this.

FIRE and PROSECUTE the criminals involved in covering up the rape of children.


86 posted on 11/08/2011 1:06:08 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: MARTIAL MONK
What's the difference between Penn State and the state pen?

In the showers, not much...

87 posted on 11/08/2011 1:09:04 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Tribune7

“If I was the “boss” btw — and Paterno was not in this case.”

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Why the quotation marks? The terminology is wholly apropos.

So, Paterno is not at all responsible for what happens under the auspices of the Penn State football program?

REGARDLESS, of the inactions of others on the Penn State Campus, a responsible man would have demanded details concerning this incident, and certainly not allowed this criminal pervert back in the locker room.


88 posted on 11/08/2011 1:09:36 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Ramcat

Two months ago, state police at Rockview in Centre County began calling witnesses to a May 1998 report by Penn State University police detailing an earlier allegation of inappropriate contact against Sandusky by another boy.

According to several sources, that boy, who was 12 at the time, alleged he and Sandusky were showering in the football building on Penn State’s campus when the incident took place. The boy’s mother told The Patriot-News she was specifically instructed by state police at Rockview not to speak with a reporter. Her name is being withheld by The Patriot-News to protect the identity of her son.

No charges were ever filed against Sandusky.

According to sources close to the investigation, the boy told police in 1998 that Sandusky had showered with him in a locker room of the Lasch Building — home to the football program — during a tour. The boy claimed Sandusky washed his body during the shower, sources said.

As part of the May 1998 investigation, police had the boy’s mother call Sandusky to her State College home and confront him while they hid in another room, according to sources. Another boy, now an adult in the armed forces, was named as a witness in the 1998 Penn State police report and has been contacted by state police, his wife confirmed.

When reached by phone, his mother said she took her son to Penn State police for questioning in 1998 but didn’t listen to the interview. She said she never asked her son what happened.

Retired Penn State Police Officer Ron Schreffler handled the 1998 case. When approached recently, Schreffler said he couldn’t comment and asked a reporter, “How did you see that report?”

http://www.slowstates.com/blog/jerry-sandusky-investigation/


89 posted on 11/08/2011 1:11:17 PM PST by razorback-bert (Some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

“Guess that old fart never really understood what the meant in all of his 46 years as coach.”

I see an argument for TERM LIMITS in this sad tale. Like Congressmen and Senators “for life”, it shows what happens when someone occupies a seat of power too long.

Joe Paterno thought by his mere presence and good intentions that nothing bad could happen at PSU. Who doubts that when Paterno told Sandusky that he would NEVER be the Head Coach at PSU, he KNEW that Sandusky was a child molester. I think it was Joe’s way of administering punishment.

What happens when Sandusky takes the stand at trial. He will drag as many folks down with him as possible. We will find out who knew “what” and “when”. The magnitude of this scandal will be scar PSU forever.


90 posted on 11/08/2011 1:19:30 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: EyeGuy
So, Paterno is not at all responsible for what happens under the auspices of the Penn State football program?

Sandusky was not part of the football program when this happened and it appears he had a right to access the training facilities as part of his retirement. This would not have been negotiated by Paterno.

REGARDLESS, of the inactions of others on the Penn State Campus, a responsible man would have demanded details concerning this incident,

Schultz and Curley told the Grand Jury that it was all just horseplay, which is why they are facing charges. Why do you think they would have told Paterno any different?

91 posted on 11/08/2011 1:20:39 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Ramcat
Yes, directly from the grand jury report.

The link was already on this thread.

The timeline is pretty damning for Paterno.

In 1998 while the guy was directly under Paterno he was caught in the showers with a minor male from the troubled youth program the PennStatePedofile ran.

This incident was apparently enough to remove him from his job, but not enough to remove him from campus.

This led to the 2002 incident of anal sex with a 10 year old in the Penn State shower.

After two credible reports of this guy in the shower with minor males - NOTHING until almost 10 years later.

Seems the facts are pretty damning and Joe Paterno was driving the bus all that time. Time for him to be thrown under it by any group of decent people. We will see if Penn State is a group of decent people or the kind who would continue to turn a blind eye to pedophilia.

92 posted on 11/08/2011 1:20:59 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

I hadn’t heard about the 1998 incident. Where did that come out?


93 posted on 11/08/2011 1:30:39 PM PST by nickcarraway (,)
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To: Tribune7
According to the Grand Jury report Paterno wouldn't have needed to be told by Schultz and Curley anything - as he received the firsthand account of the graduate student who walked into the shower to the sound of wet flesh slapping against wet flesh.

Why Shultz and Curley were charged was because they reported this incident of child rape as “horseplay”, after being told by the graduate student that it was obviously anal sex.

Sandusky WAS a part of the PennStatePedo program during the 1998 incident. This led, no doubt, to his “retirement” - where he was still running a program for troubled young men and still had access to PennStatePedo facilities. This led to the 2002 incident that was written off as “horseplay” by the two.

But there was no need for either man to tell Paterno anything - as he had already received a first hand account from the graduate student - Paterno was the first official employed by PennStatePedo that was told of the SECOND incident.

Who knows how many knew about the FIRST incident of this guy being caught in the shower with a male child.

94 posted on 11/08/2011 1:31:27 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
In 1998 while the guy was directly under Paterno he was caught in the showers with a minor male from the troubled youth program the PennStatePedofile ran.

I couldn't find that in the Grand Jury Report.

Victim 6 told his mom that he had showered with Sandusky which started a police investigation but he was not "caught in the showers".

95 posted on 11/08/2011 1:32:02 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: bjorn14

I used to have the utmost admiration for Paterno.
But he should have retired years ago.
When it became obvious he was clinging on to get the ‘most wins’ title my admiration took a hit.
If he was sure of this event he should have taken whatever required to get legal action .
On top of that the university allows Sandusky access to their facilities??


96 posted on 11/08/2011 1:32:18 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Tribune7

1) If Sandusky was not part of the football program, why did the Grad Student feel the need to report the incident to Paterno?

2) I don’t think Paterno needed to be “told” anything.

It is clear he had a very good idea that this was much more than “horseplay”, and of a serial nature.


97 posted on 11/08/2011 1:32:28 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: allmendream

“Who knows how many knew about the FIRST incident of this guy being caught in the shower with a male child.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2804295/posts?page=168#168


98 posted on 11/08/2011 1:35:45 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: nickcarraway

Reported to the cops in ‘98 and covered up. Read the grand jury report (it’s not that long) linked above. Joe Pa knew waaaaaaay back then. Joe Pa knew EVERYTHING that went on that had to do with his football team.


99 posted on 11/08/2011 1:36:20 PM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Tribune7
Well I guess in the second incident he was also not “caught” in the shower with a male child - just reported to have been seen there engaging in anal sex.

The first incident he was “caught” in that the child reported it to his mother.

When I was a child sneaking out after bedtime with a friend - and later he told his mother - and his mother told my dad - I considered myself “caught” sneaking out after bedtime.

But that is just semantics.

PennStatePedo football had a record of TWO incidents of this guy in showers with male children. One in 1998 before his removal, and another one in 2002. By the time 2011 rolled around the guy shouldn't have still been hanging around PennState. If there were decent people associated with PennStatePedo football the guy would have been in jail for most of the last decade.

100 posted on 11/08/2011 1:39:15 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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