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Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal
New York Times ^ | 8 November 2011 | Mark Viera & Pete Thamel

Posted on 11/08/2011 11:40:43 AM PST by bjorn14

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To: Tribune7
Or maybe he was just afraid of getting involved.

His coworkers express to him their fear of being fired if he reported it.

301 posted on 11/09/2011 1:26:00 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Scoutmaster
One big happy gay Penn State-associated family.
302 posted on 11/09/2011 1:28:16 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
OK, he told his supervisor and his supervisor told him where to report it. The supervisor, who appears to be the only at the scene who was not a new employee, didn't seem concerned about how Paterno would react.

The janitor who saw it was a temp. Why would he be that afraid of Paterno?

What you have here is not an example of Paterno's evil omnipotence but of people choosing not to get involved.

303 posted on 11/09/2011 1:32:06 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
What you have here is not an example of Paterno's evil omnipotence but of people choosing not to get involved. for fear of losing their jobs ...
304 posted on 11/09/2011 1:36:56 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
OK, he told his supervisor and his supervisor told him where to report it.

OK, he told his supervisor and his supervisor told him that IF he wanted to report it where to report it.

Nobody wanted to report it for fear of losing their jobs.

305 posted on 11/09/2011 1:39:54 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
The guy who was there for awhile didn't seem concerned about his job due to a report.

The guy who saw this did not make a report because he was afraid of losing his temporary job. He did not make the report because he didn't want to get involved.

Yes, that's an assumption.

And it's a whole lot smarter of an assumption than claiming Paterno would have fired the entire janitorial staff because they contacted police regarding the behavior of someone who it appears Paterno had lost his fondness for.

306 posted on 11/09/2011 1:50:34 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
The guy who was there for awhile didn't seem concerned about his job due to a report.

Obviously he did since he neither encouraged the report to be made nor made a report himself.

307 posted on 11/09/2011 1:58:01 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
And it's a whole lot smarter of an assumption than claiming Paterno would have fired the entire janitorial staff because they contacted police regarding the behavior of someone who it appears Paterno had lost his fondness for.

Who made that assumption/claim?

308 posted on 11/09/2011 1:58:52 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7
There does not appear to be any more cases that involved the football team's facilities after that.

Well, we know that Sandusky still had an office in the Athletic building until Sunday (at least, he was still in the campus directory) and had access to the athletic building - even if perhaps keys to the showers were taken away. We know he was hosting sleepover camps at a Penn State facility through 2008.

We know that the GJ documents we are reading list eight victims, but by last night authorities had identified twenty.

We know that Curley told that GJ that there was no way of policing Sandusky bringing boys on campus after 2002.

Let's see if any of the additional twelve . . . or any more to surface . . . involve Penn State property, like the weight room. And let's wonder about all of the boys since 2002 that we don't know about, and who wouldn't have been around Sandusky had everyone done the moral thing and some not just the "I did the bare minimum i was required to do legally, so don't look at me" things.

I don't think we're remotely in the clear to say nothing happened after 2002.

309 posted on 11/09/2011 3:00:57 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: NewinTexsas
Who made that assumption/claim?

Only an idiot would have to think that JoePa could have intimidated the janitorial staff into not making that report. So you, not being an idiot, would not think that, right?

310 posted on 11/09/2011 3:14:26 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Scoutmaster
I don't think we're remotely in the clear to say nothing happened after 2002.

And to say that any did is making an assumption based on supposition.

We know he was hosting sleepover camps at a Penn State facility through 2008.

You mean the Second Mile camps?

311 posted on 11/09/2011 3:18:36 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
Who made that assumption/claim?

Only an idiot would have to think that JoePa could have intimidated the janitorial staff into not making that report. So you, not being an idiot, would not think that, right?

You are losing it. Relax. You don't have the power to save Paterno. He is already gone.

312 posted on 11/09/2011 3:30:17 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Scoutmaster
even if perhaps keys to the showers were taken away.

His keys were taken away the day the indictments were made public.

313 posted on 11/09/2011 3:31:42 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
You were the one who asked who would make such an assumption.

I just pointed out that only an idiot would think Paterno would have intimidated the janitors into not making the report.

314 posted on 11/09/2011 3:34:46 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
And to say that any did is making an assumption based on supposition.

Generally, pedophiles don't stop. Sandusky may not have used Penn State facilities again. But they would certainly be an enticing place for young boys. And Sandusky used them at least twice in 1998, and once in 2000, and once in 2002, of which we know. And he didn't get into trouble. Maybe he decided it was too risky after that. But, heck, it was a big draw for him, and he certainly wasn't suffering much from using them. And pedophiles don't stop. So I'm happy to make an assumption that we're not remotely in the clear to say that none of these twelve new boys involved Penn State.

You mean the Second Mile camps?

The ESPN article described them as "youth athletic camps" held by the Sandusky Foundation.

Are you paid to defend Paterno and Penn State, or is this just a crusade?

315 posted on 11/09/2011 3:43:48 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: NewinTexsas
His keys were taken away the day the indictments were made public.

I think there's a possibility that keys to the showers, but only the showers, were taken away in 2002. I don't have the stomach to go back through the GJ presentment and GJ findings.

316 posted on 11/09/2011 3:51:46 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
Are you paid to defend Paterno and Penn State, or is this just a crusade?

You and others are claiming Paterno willfully turned a blind eye to this abuse. Your argument is basically that Paterno knows everything so if he wanted to stop it he could have.

You and others are saying or implying that Paterno is escaping prosecution solely in return for his testimony.

Your saying that Paterno could have kept Sandusky from using the facilities despite the fact he had a contracted right to use them.

You seem to be saying that he turned the investigation over the A.D. because he knew they would cover it up.

No, I'm not defending Penn State. In fact, I think it's a crap school. But I do think there are a group of self-righteous blowhards out looking to destroy a basically decent guy regardless of what the facts are. I think it's OK to point that out.

317 posted on 11/09/2011 4:11:30 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Scoutmaster
The ESPN article described them as "youth athletic camps" held by the Sandusky Foundation.

And you seem to be implying that Paterno had some kind of influence with the Sandusky Foundation.

Why do you think that?

318 posted on 11/09/2011 4:13:00 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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And you seem to be implying that Paterno had some kind of influence with the Sandusky Foundation.

No. But Penn State shouldn't have allowed its athletic facilities to be used by Sandusky for sleepover camps until 2008. And I respected Joe Paterno enough until Monday to believe that he would know when his friend of 43 years (by 2008), who had an issue with small boys, was holding these camps.

Let me rephrase everything, because my posts appear to petty at this point.

Joe Paterno wasn't just a coach. Joe Paterno was a moral authority figure. Joe Paterno spent his career working with 'young men." They were boys when he started recruiting them - 17 or 18 - and 19 when he went into living rooms and told parents that they could trust him and Penn State to take care of their sons. Joe Paterno wasn't just a coach. He was a father figure, and then a grandfather figure. He ruled the NCAA with moral authority, not legal authority.

Sportscaster, average citizens, and football fans felt something in his presence because of his moral decency and his statements on morals.

But when it came time to protect preteen boys, in 1998, or 1999, or 2000, or 2002 - boys who hadn't signed a letter of intent - Joe's compass was no longer a moral compass. His excuse was "I did the bare legal minimum, and then I didn't worry about what happened to the boys." If anyone had the moral authority, or could generate the moral outrage, to stop what happened, to find out what was happening, and to prevent it from happening on Penn State property - much less in the football showers - it was Joe Paterno.

For over 40 years, the man assured the parents of boys that they would be safe in his hands at Penn State. And when one or more pre-teen boys needed a protector, Joe Paterno said "I did the bare legal minimum, what more should you expect of me."

I'm through. Defend him all you want.

319 posted on 11/09/2011 4:26:47 PM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: HamiltonJay

Good point.


320 posted on 11/09/2011 4:33:08 PM PST by keat
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To: Tribune7
You were the one who asked who would make such an assumption. I just pointed out that only an idiot would think Paterno would have intimidated the janitors into not making the report.

Only an idiot would think that the Great Sundusky would bang little boys in the PSU locker room. Unthinkable.

321 posted on 11/09/2011 4:44:08 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7

You can drop the ‘seem to be’


322 posted on 11/09/2011 4:45:19 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Scoutmaster
Joe Paterno wasn't just a coach. He was a father figure, and then a grandfather figure. He ruled the NCAA with moral authority, not legal authority.

IOW, Paterno was God and a bad thing happened and it's God's fault.

His excuse was "I did the bare legal minimum, and then I didn't worry about what happened to the boys."

Oh, but that is not his excuse. In fact, I don't think he's offered one yet.

I think the reasoning for his actions is going to be the proper people were diligently watching things and had every under control, and that he didn't believe what was happening was happening.

Now, God would not make that kind of mistake but people do.

Maybe I'm dead wrong and Paterno was doing a total and cynical CYA. If so, I'm sure that's going to come out as things unfold and I'll take everything I said back.

But right now I think Paterno is a decent guy who was trying to do his best.

And if he really did "rule the NCAA with moral authority" he did a pretty crap job.

323 posted on 11/09/2011 7:18:05 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: NewinTexsas
Only an idiot would think that the Great Sundusky would bang little boys in the PSU locker room.

Guess I'm an idiot in that case.

Still not as big an idiot though as someone who thought those janitors didn't report the crime because they were afraid of JoePa.

324 posted on 11/09/2011 7:21:25 PM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Tribune7
But right now I think Paterno is a decent guy who was trying to do his best.

FIRED!

325 posted on 11/09/2011 7:33:27 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Tribune7; NewinTexsas; Colofornian
Still not as big an idiot though as someone who thought those janitors didn't report the crime because they were afraid of JoePa.

How much power did JoePa have at Penn State and in Pennsylvania?

In 2003, when Paterno was 78, the University - the Board of Trustees and President - asked Joe Paterno to retire. Joe said no. (he was still there until last night) That was the year after the 2002 molestation incident.

So how much power did JoePa have in 2002? In 2003, JoePa had the power to tell the Board of Trustees and the President to take a hike.

So, yeah, I think people might be afraid of JoePa.

Last night, after he was fired, students rioted, included flipping over a large television van.

When the Ohio State coach was fired for, among other things, covering up the fact that some players swapped jewelry for free tattoos, the students didn't rio. And Penn State, when Paterno was fired for his roll in facilitating long-term sexual abuse of pre-teen boys, and for not exercising moral judgment in reporting and/or following up on the molestation of a pre-teen in the football showers, students rioted.

That's how powerful Joe Paterno was. There no more 'facts' about Tressel. There wasn't even a Grand Jury report. There were no crimes; there were NCAA violations. Here, with a Grand Jury report (which those interviewed admitted they had never read), and at twenty boys molested, Paterno's suporters violently rioted.

Yeah. I would be afraid of Joe Paterno and his followers. I can only imagine the loyalty of his coaching staff in 2002 and the lengths they would go to not to embarrass him and Penn State.

326 posted on 11/10/2011 3:21:17 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: Scoutmaster
Being a legend that is difficult to fire is not the same as having the power to fire other people.

What are you saying, that if the janitor wasn't fired JoePa would have had his cultists burn down the home of the president?

Hey, maybe Paterno was responsible for getting guys like this hired.

Or, maybe he's the real power behind these guys.

Penn State has a lot of problems but Paterno was not one of them.

And as much as I'm defending Paterno, I'm very glad to see Spanier gone.

327 posted on 11/10/2011 6:22:56 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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