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Ohio Voters Choose To Opt Out Of Health Mandate (Reject Obamacare)
OhioVotes2011/AP ^ | November 8, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 11/08/2011 7:14:30 PM PST by 50mm

Voters in Ohio have approved a ballot measure intended to keep government from requiring Ohioans to participate in any health care system.

The constitutional amendment passed is largely symbolic, coming in response to the 2009 federal health care overhaul, a provision of which mandates that most Americans purchase health care.

(Excerpt) Read more at 2.ohiovotes2011.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: commiecare; health; obamacare; ohioobamacare
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Ohio voters goofed on union limits, but smacked Obama with this issue rejecting the health insurance mandate in obamacare.
1 posted on 11/08/2011 7:14:34 PM PST by 50mm
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To: 50mm

YES!!!!!!!!!! Great news!


2 posted on 11/08/2011 7:16:30 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: 50mm

if the unions won,

then there’s not much hope for this country.

unions have destroyed the californicate.


3 posted on 11/08/2011 7:18:02 PM PST by ken21
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To: 50mm

Great, now they can live in a bankrupt state but at least they won’t have Obammycare. Something about this entire vote makes NO sense to me.


4 posted on 11/08/2011 7:18:37 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: FlipWilson

It might help to know that the unions have been running completely false ads about Issue 2 (Senate Bill 5, the one on collective bargaining) for months. So a lot of people got brainwashed by that— perhaps they either didn’t read Issue 3 or didn’t even bother with it, since their union bosses hadn’t given them instructions.


5 posted on 11/08/2011 7:20:21 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: 50mm

Silly voters, don’t you know some circuit judge will nullify your vote.


6 posted on 11/08/2011 7:20:55 PM PST by SkyDancer ('If you want to learn to love better, you should start with a friend who you hate ")
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To: 50mm

Voters didn’t exactly goof on Union Limits per se. The law Kasich signed included Police and Firefighters, which was NOT part of the Wisconsin Legislation Governor Walker signed. Wisconsin knew cops & firefighter limits would be political death so they avoided it. Ohio screwed up in that regard. In fact this referendum passed today was introduced by a Republican. Even the Republicans in the state legislature knew they were gonna lose this. So now they get a second chance to work out the legislation again.

But it is TERRIFIC news they opted out of ObamaCare.


7 posted on 11/08/2011 7:21:36 PM PST by antonico
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To: FlipWilson

the public sector workers want their collective-bargaining. But they don’t want Obamacare, because their own healthcare plans are so awesome.


8 posted on 11/08/2011 7:21:46 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: 50mm

But I hear they raised taxes and supported the unions?


9 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:06 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: sthguard

Quote: “It might help to know that the unions have been running completely false ads about Issue 2. . .”

Wait, democrats running false adds. Get the heck out!!! Honestly, that Kasich was so caught off by this is amazing to me. Once again we see the Republicans bring a pee shooter to a gun fight.

Losing the Obamacare vote does not bode well, however, for Obama’s chances in Ohio. On another note, Kasich must keep harping on the fact that Ohio is broke and stick to his guns. As the economy in Ohio fails to improve and the Unions are seen gloating, I have a feeling the voters might, just might have a change in the way they view this.


10 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:33 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: antonico

Public Employee Unions should be banned forever.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 7:26:35 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Quote: “the public sector workers want their collective-bargaining. But they don’t want Obamacare, because their own healthcare plans are so awesome.”

Makes even less sense as Obamacare exempted them from it. It was part of the backroom payoffs that got the bill passed.


12 posted on 11/08/2011 7:26:55 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: 50mm

Obamacare got routed in Ohio!

That is the proof that the union bill was not about Obama or supporting Obama.

Kasich was badly served by the Ohio REPUBLICAN Legislature (we control both House and Senate) that loaded that pay and pension legislation up with all kinds of junk. Honest to goodness, they tried to spell out HOW evaluations would be done on workers. It was silly. It got so much into the weeds that it even had students evaluating teachers. Honest to goodness. (”student satisfaction, which may be measured by surveys,questionnaires, or other forms of soliciting feedback”)

Sen Tom Niehaus (R), a wheeler-dealer senate president, helped construct a bill that would never pass.

Had this been a clean bill just about collective bargaining over pay and pensions this would have passed by a landslide.

The media is going to present this as some kind of triumph for Obama. The truth will be that Ohioans looked at this over-reaching bill and rejected it because it was a monstrosity.


13 posted on 11/08/2011 7:28:19 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: FlipWilson

I forgot about that-I believe you are right.


14 posted on 11/08/2011 7:28:44 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (DEFUND NPR, PBS, THE TSA AND THE U.N.)
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To: FlipWilson

Look for the Repub legislature to begin putting bits and pieces of the bill back into law in January.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 7:31:26 PM PST by Faith
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To: antonico

I stand by my original statement. The police and firefighters in Ohio have the same outrageous benefits and retirement packages that are bankrupting the state as other public workers in Ohio.

The issue failed because of the huge disinformation campaign waged by the unions. They framed it as hurting women and children, causing nursing shortages and causing delays in police and fire response times. The gullible bought the lies.


16 posted on 11/08/2011 7:32:49 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: 50mm

Yeah, well, while this is outstanding, the Union vote was a much bigger issue and I find that one horribly depressing. Couple that with the Governor’s approval and, well, we have a LONG way to go in Ohio.


17 posted on 11/08/2011 7:33:00 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

The union issue will be brought back as individual components in multiple bills that will be much harder for the unions to fight with a disinformation campaign. Look for the bills to be rushed into law within the next six months.


18 posted on 11/08/2011 7:37:44 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

Exactly....

Its great that the populace message is Anti-Obamacare.


19 posted on 11/08/2011 7:42:43 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: ken21
The unions got what they wanted, but I wouldn't quite call it winning. Unless you count Pyrrhic victories. The state and most of the cities are broke, and no one is even thinking about raising taxes. This was a reform measure to rein in egregious spending on union benefits at the expense of the rest of the state. The only obvious alternative now is massive layoffs of the same insects who are jumping around celebrating like fleas on a wet dog tonight. Pink slips will start appearing soon.
20 posted on 11/08/2011 7:48:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: FlipWilson
The issue 3 on obamacare is purely symbolic. It will have no legal weight or meaning. It is no more than an opinion poll, and I don't know why the state bothered.
21 posted on 11/08/2011 7:50:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 50mm

Let it be so. Bring up each part of the original bill separately, and then inform the public that it takes 14 taxpayers to support ONE retired cop. Who mysteriously develops “Chief’s disease” a year before retirement. At 53.


22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:51:27 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: hinckley buzzard
The only obvious alternative now is massive layoffs of the same insects...

I'm looking forward to that.

23 posted on 11/08/2011 7:51:38 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: GeronL
No taxes on the ballot today, except some local and county levies.
24 posted on 11/08/2011 7:52:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: FlipWilson
As for the unions, let them gloat. Reality will begin to set in shortly in the form of layoff notices. There's no money to give them what they want.

As an example of their tactics, they ran ads comparing the SB-5(Issue 2) to Rite Aid denying health insurance to grannies working in their stores. Completely false. Nice to know that the police of Ohio are some of the most dishonest citizens that we have, maybe more crooked than the criminals.

25 posted on 11/08/2011 7:57:04 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: FlipWilson

Great, now they can live in a bankrupt state but at least they won’t have Obammycare. Something about this entire vote makes NO sense to me.


Ohio failed to separate cops and fire from the others as Wisconsin did. With cops and fire in the deal, the unions were able to run emotionally-charged ads about life without cops and fire and how everyone will die without them. “So, ya know, you better vote union blah blah blah.”


26 posted on 11/08/2011 7:58:07 PM PST by PaleoBob
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To: xzins
I don't think those details made any difference at all. This vote was about one thing--union "rights" to collective bargaining for every little benefit and work rule, guaranteeing that they would be able to continue to loot the treasury. That was the one and only issue in Issue 2.

The minutiae you mention may have attracted the attention of a few retirees with lots of time on their hands, but nobody else even noticed.

27 posted on 11/08/2011 8:01:58 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Faith
Let's hope so. Otherwise there will be a large number of very nasty laid off goobermint employees screeching in the streets.

What most people did not get is that voting AGAINST issue 2 was voting FOR layoffs. The cops and teachers and smokeaters didn't tell people the truth. Now they will just try to hold up the state for more tax revenues.

28 posted on 11/08/2011 8:05:27 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

hinckley buzzard wrote:

“The issue 3 on obamacare is purely symbolic. It will have no legal weight or meaning. It is no more than an opinion poll, and I don’t know why the state bothered.”

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I disagree. Don’t think for one second that the U.S. Supreme Court isn’t going to take Ohio voters’ OVERWHELMING rejection of the individual mandate into consideration when the court hears the case next spring.

In my opinion, this further reinforces Obama’s negative approval rating in Ohio and therefore he would likely lose that state if the presidential election were held today.


29 posted on 11/08/2011 8:07:39 PM PST by DestroyLiberalism
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To: 50mm

Former Ohio Gov. Strickland was on the Greta Show on FNC and he said he was really proud of Ohio rejecting issue 2. Greta asks him if he was also proud of Obamacare being voted down. He decided to dodge the question by saying that issue wasn’t really debated or discussed much. He was not asked if he was proud of the 2010 ohio governor results when Strickland lost. I know I was proud. The spin by Strickland was pretty laughable.


30 posted on 11/08/2011 8:12:39 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: hinckley buzzard

Totally disagree that this was a clean bill. This bill wasn’t about the need. This vote was not about government employees paying more toward their pensions. It was about everything except that. It was about the weeds. It was about firefighter hires, and hours, and methods. It was about teacher seniority and evaluations and supervision.

This was an easy bill for Ohioans to reject. The Republican house and senate were derelict in allowing a new governor to be injured the way Kasich has been.


31 posted on 11/08/2011 8:14:35 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: 50mm

” - - - a provision of which mandates that most Americans purchase - - - .”

The British tried that on us before - - - .

It is time to again break out the flag of that day: “DON’T TREAD ON ME.”


32 posted on 11/08/2011 8:19:24 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: antonico

I say good for Kasich. I am sick of firefighters and cops, Sorry..I don’t like being a hostage to anyone and that’s what these two groups keep doing to us.


33 posted on 11/08/2011 8:20:07 PM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Graewoulf

I flew my Gadsden at my house today and was wearing a Gadsden lapel pin on when I voted. I got some dirty looks from ‘rat types at my polling location.


34 posted on 11/08/2011 8:24:20 PM PST by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: 50mm

And I thought American voters were just mere cattle waiting to be slaughtered by their Democrat overlords. I guess they’re cattle with just a little bit of forsight.


35 posted on 11/08/2011 8:27:38 PM PST by Crucial
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To: 50mm

I won’t be kind...most of them didn’t understand the ballot issues...either that or they’re all a bunch of bipolar nutjobs..


36 posted on 11/08/2011 8:35:27 PM PST by cherry
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To: antonico

I can’t fathom why they thought doing SB5 this way would work.


37 posted on 11/08/2011 8:38:28 PM PST by RockinRight (One year from now, we have an opportunity to take our nation back.)
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To: xzins

Thanks for succintly explaining the why and wherefore. We out-of-staters aren’t aware of the skinny.

I”m told the bill will be reintroduced once split into sensible parts.


38 posted on 11/08/2011 8:38:40 PM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: 50mm

” - - - Gadsden lapel pin - - - “

Good for you! Now I want to get a lapel pin and cuff links too! Christmas is coming!


39 posted on 11/08/2011 8:42:41 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: PaleoBob

Yeah their adds were like,

“Nice house and family ya got there.
Would be a shame if somethin’ would happen to them.”


40 posted on 11/08/2011 9:02:36 PM PST by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: 50mm

Excellent news. Of course, Romney is as upset as Obama is.


41 posted on 11/08/2011 9:36:32 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: 50mm

Kasich should have a press conference in the am and announce 15% employee layoff because the money doesn’t exist to pay union thugs retirements and health care. I heard your vote. Congratulations, unemployment is better than a job anyway.


42 posted on 11/08/2011 9:48:26 PM PST by chuckles
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To: chuckles

Wait a minute people. There is another side at that negotiating table. Somebody has to approve any contract, right? Am I right?


43 posted on 11/08/2011 11:43:41 PM PST by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: chadwimc
“Wait a minute people. There is another side at that negotiating table. Somebody has to approve any contract, right? Am I right?”

Sure there is, and in many cases the union is setting on both sides of the bargaining table.

Take school teacher contracts for example. Most school administrators are former teachers that are covered by the same contracts that are being voted on. The school boards in most states are made up of nothing but teachers, former teachers, and wives/husbands of teachers.

School board elections are in most cases held in off years or in spring when there is nothing else on the ballot.

The deck is stacked so hard against the taxpayers that teachers unions can get anything they want.

44 posted on 11/09/2011 1:38:21 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; ATOMIC_PUNK; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; BlindedByTruth; ...

OHIO PINGS - “0bamacare” REJECTED!

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/political/elections_local/voters-decide-on-Issue-3

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Voters in Ohio have approved a ballot measure intended to keep government from requiring Ohioans to participate in any health care system.

The constitutional amendment passed is largely symbolic, coming in response to the 2009 federal health care overhaul, a provision of which mandates that most Americans purchase health care.

Supporters hope it will prompt a challenge of the overhaul before the U.S. Supreme Court.

The tea party and Republican groups backing the amendment say the Affordable Care Act was an overreach by the Obama administration and Congress.

They hope approval of the ballot issue will bar Ohio from instituting a state-mandated health insurance program like that of Massachusetts.

Opponents argued state law can’t trump federal law and that the amendment’s wording could unintentionally jeopardize state health programs.


45 posted on 11/09/2011 2:15:13 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave (The DemocRATic party preys on the ignorant!)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ohio voters got one right at least.

Issue 2 the union ads were a disgrace and tugged at the hearts of the uninformed. My polling station the parking lot was full of off duty fireman and police passing out literature. They did a very poor job of getting out the yes vote, not once did I see a ad to vote yes :(


46 posted on 11/09/2011 2:48:00 AM PST by boxerblues
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To: 50mm
I stand by my original statement. The police and firefighters in Ohio have the same outrageous benefits and retirement packages that are bankrupting the state as other public workers in Ohio.

The rubber meets the road when the cities find out the state isn't sending the checks out. The layoffs will start next year and with them will go retirements and benees.

47 posted on 11/09/2011 3:30:50 AM PST by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Recon Dad
Greetings Recon Dad:

Of all fifty States, Wisconsin and Ohio were in financially the worst shape. Wisconsin saved the public pension system. Ohio, despite an insolvent public pension system, failed to act.

Dislike SB5? Next legislative round has to be worse.

Cheers,
OLA

48 posted on 11/09/2011 3:52:03 AM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: 50mm

Unions and liberals effectively “got out the vote” in Ohio and defeated the collective bargaining referendum.

However, despite large numbers of energized liberals and union thugs, they still rejected Obamacare’s individual mandate!

This is massive news that the nation hates Obamacare!

The media wants to paint this as proof the Tea Party is getting weak, but it actually shows the opposite.


49 posted on 11/09/2011 4:02:34 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: 50mm

I knew Issue 2 (union bargaining) was going down in flames, and expected Issue 3 (repeal of zerocare) to be brought down with it... It says a lot that voters (including the mass of Liberal union types who showed up for Issue 2) overwhelmingly upheld Issue 3 and defeated zerocare.


50 posted on 11/09/2011 5:45:42 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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