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AP: Joe Paterno to retire at season's end
CBS Sports ^ | November 9, 2011

Posted on 11/09/2011 7:25:38 AM PST by Zakeet

UPDATE - Nov. 9: The Associated Press is reporting that Joe Paterno has decided to retire at the end of the season.

As the amount of alleged victims in the Jerry Sandusky case climbs rapidly, reports are emerging that Penn State head coach Joe Paterno's coaching career will soon come to an end. Official support for Paterno is reportedly "eroding," even as Nittany Lion fans rally in support of the longtime coach.

The New York Times reported Tuesday that Paterno's 46 years as Nittany Lion head coach "will soon be over, perhaps within days or weeks." According to two sources familiar with top administrative discussions who spoke to the Times, talks to determine "how to manage his departure have begun."

"The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno’s exit," the Times writes, "but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other coach at college football’s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious brand will not survive to coach another season."

(Excerpt) Read more at eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; coach; homosexualagenda; paterno; pederast; pederastagenda; pederasts; pederasty; pennstate; retirement; sandusky; theend
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To: Lancey Howard
Taking the difficult path of morality always seems stupid to the immoral and the amoral.

Such is life.

251 posted on 11/09/2011 10:31:13 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Read the report and what he admits knowing instead of putting your head in the sand and claiming ignorance!


252 posted on 11/09/2011 10:32:02 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: Lancey Howard

Gee, a child is in the shower with a grown man in the middle of the night-nothing to get concerned about!


253 posted on 11/09/2011 10:33:35 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: wasp69
which I knew had been investigated by the CPS gestapo for child molestation in 1998

According to the investigative reporter I listened to yesterday, Paterno knew nothing about the 1998 incident. His name is mentioned nowhere.

Does that clear it up for you?

254 posted on 11/09/2011 10:34:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I notice you did not refute my facts but merely resorted to a personal attack.


255 posted on 11/09/2011 10:35:16 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas
If a murder is reported to you and you don't report it to the police, you are considered an accessory
256 posted on 11/09/2011 10:36:05 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: fortheDeclaration

Todd Blackledge? QB of the first National Championship team (’82)? Worked(s) for ABC Sports.


257 posted on 11/09/2011 10:43:06 AM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Lancey Howard
Really? You don't think that the campus police or the State College police would not have made sure Joe knew in '98? Their thinking would have been: "If I withold this from Joe, it could be the end of me."

And Sandusky "retired" the next year, and you really think that Joe had NO IDEA that Sandusky was a pedophile?

Just no way. Sorry. Loyalty is a good thing, but allowing serial child rape should trump that feeling.

I get it though...you're not going to be convinced until you see a picture of Joe in boots and a raincoat watching Sandusky abusing a 10 y/o boy in a shower.

258 posted on 11/09/2011 10:44:50 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Pharmboy
As I have posted previously (numerous times!), if Paterno knew what kind of monster Sandusky was and looked the other way, then he should share a cell with Sandusky until dead. The thing is, Paterno is the biggest target - - nobody ever heard of any of these other clowns - - and so the tendency is to lay the entire blame at his feet. But Paterno witnessed nothing with his own eyes and so depended on others to investigate and act accordingly.

All I'm trying to do is keep a little perspective until more is known. the grand jury report and prosecutors charges are only the beginning. There will be a whole lot more stories cascading out of this scandal, and then let the chips fall. If it turns out Paterno acted selfishly or maliciously, I will happily turn the key on his cell door and laugh in his face.

FRegards,
LH

259 posted on 11/09/2011 10:45:39 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: fortheDeclaration

The BOTTOM LINE is that this situation has been handled so poorly, it makes every other college infraction in the history of the game looks like Russel Sheppard’s case.

This is EVEN WORSE than a Baylor player murdering another player, or the Tulane Point-shaving case.

Istead of doing the MORALLY RIGHT thing, Penn State and local authorities engaged in a huge CYA cover=up.


260 posted on 11/09/2011 10:47:29 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: dfwgator
I don’t think anybody is suggesting that Paterno is legally in the wrong.

Pains me to say this, but I think the DA had enough to charge Paterno if she had chosen to press the point. The questioning of McCreary & Paterno left the issue of "what exactly Joe was told" wide open. I think that was by design because the prosecution needs Joe's testimony.

261 posted on 11/09/2011 10:47:52 AM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Lancey Howard
According to the investigative reporter I listened to yesterday

Nope, you didn't read it.

Paterno knew nothing about the 1998 incident. His name is mentioned nowhere.

He knew nothing of it? Sandusky was fired in 1999 which, incidentally was not long after Sandusky's admission to the mother of Victim 6 that he had indeed molested her son in a shower at Pedo State's facilities. Also, it was not long after the mother of Victim 6 went to the Pedo State faculty which spurred the investigation of Sandusky and you would have us "cretins" believe that the "TITAN" of college football was not made aware of what was going on in his facility?

Yeah, you keep waiting...

Does that clear it up for you?

Heh....
262 posted on 11/09/2011 10:50:46 AM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: Lancey Howard
OK...fair enough. But, it sure does not look good for him. I have very dear friends here in Maryland who are a HUGE PSU family (they were there two weeks ago) and are devastated by this. I have no Schadenfreude in this (even though we are a U Mich family), but I am also a pediatrician and am totally disgusted beyond belief by this whole sorry affair.

And, JoePa's statement today was pathetic. Sorry.

263 posted on 11/09/2011 10:51:36 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Lancey Howard
nobody ever heard of any of these other clowns

Spanier was on Obama's short list for Secretary of Education in 2008 ...

264 posted on 11/09/2011 10:53:32 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Lancey Howard
All I'm trying to do is keep a little perspective until more is known.

Perspective. There was boy-raping sex ring in State College and everyone knew about it and covered it up.

265 posted on 11/09/2011 10:56:28 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Pharmboy; All

ESPN is reporting that TOM RIDGE, Former Pa Republican Gov, and Secretary of Homeland Security under Bush, will be maned as the new President of Pedo State.

He is a Pro-Choice Repub, but he has a chance, (And a MANDATE), to walk in to Happy Valley and completely clean out that nest of criminals, and Socialists.


266 posted on 11/09/2011 10:57:45 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Pharmboy
Don't waste your breath. As the saying goes, "there are none so blind as those who will not see", and unfortunately that's what you're dealing with when it comes to some of the PSU/Paterno "groupies" here on FR.

But take solace in this, as things stand right now, PSU is about to have the biggest public relations DISASTER in the history of major universities this Saturday; all of it nationally televised and self-inflicted. It would be hilarious if not for the heinous nature of the underlying cause.

"BEAT NEBRASKA", right JoePa?!?!?

267 posted on 11/09/2011 10:58:20 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: safeasthebanks
PSU is about to have is having the biggest public relations DISASTER in the history of major universities this Saturday; all of it nationally televised and self-inflicted.
268 posted on 11/09/2011 11:04:01 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: tcrlaf

Wow...pretty good choice (even though he’s not as conservative as we would like).They need to clean house quickly...JoePa should not be seen in the booth on Saturday.


269 posted on 11/09/2011 11:05:38 AM PST by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must...)
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To: Lancey Howard
According to the investigative reporter I listened to yesterday, Paterno knew nothing about the 1998 incident. His name is mentioned nowhere.

I have a quote for you, Lancey:

Paterno’s son, Scott, has said that lawyers for Penn State assured him his father was never told about the 1998 report — investigated by university police.

I am sure all of us can rest assured that since a lawyer said it, it must be true. < /s >

I also have one more:

“And you’re going to tell me that Spanier and Paterno weren’t informed of something that was that huge that Ray Gricar was in on it but Spanier was kept in the dark?” she said. “I’m just not that stupid. I’m so upset I just can’t believe it.”

That's from the mother of Victim 6, he of the 1998 incident. It would seem that she would disagree with your assessment that Paterno was somehow left in the dark. You can read about it yourself here.
270 posted on 11/09/2011 11:06:40 AM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: Lancey Howard; wasp69
According to the investigative reporter I listened to yesterday, Paterno knew nothing about the 1998 incident. His name is mentioned nowhere.

We don't know that...(unless you are omniscient)

Sandusky retired June of 1999. Obstensibly it was because he learned he would not be JoePa's replacement.

My, how coincidental the retirement came to the '98 stuff.

And, of course, Joe never heard from the AD as to why Sandusky was retiring at just 55 years of age.

Of course, it wasn't a "coerced" retirement or anything like that...of which, of course, JoePa NEVER knew anything about.

271 posted on 11/09/2011 11:12:50 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: tcrlaf; All

CBSSports.com wire reports
Nov. 9, 2011

A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.
1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.
January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1982 season.
January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1986 season.
1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.
1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.
1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.
1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.
1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.
Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.
1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.
Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6’s mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.”
Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.
The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.
June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.
Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.
Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.
Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy — known as Victim 8 — pinned up against the wall and performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.
Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown.
March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.
March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.
2005-2006: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.
Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.
Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.
Early 2009: An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.
September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.
Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.
Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.
Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno’s regular weekly press conference.
Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno announces he’ll retire at the end of the season.


272 posted on 11/09/2011 11:14:46 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: fortheDeclaration
Amazed at how many apologists there are for Paterno. So, if a murder was reported to him, it was enough just to tell the next guy higher up?

Agreed. They usually NEVER mention the victim.

Good analogy re: murder. (Or pick your own felony)

273 posted on 11/09/2011 11:16:54 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: NewinTexsas; OrangeHoof
Follow this. Paterno believes that McQueary has brought these horrendous charges against your old friend of fourty years and has caused an internal scandal all the way up to the president. What do you do? Reward him with a position as your WR coach!

Some things just have to be spelled out for some posters.

274 posted on 11/09/2011 11:18:14 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: tcrlaf

Perhaps it’s time to yank the statue down & realize that JoePa is not a god, after all.


275 posted on 11/09/2011 11:20:12 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: NewinTexsas
I am thinking that this is going to get worse. We might be only be seeing the tip. Hypothetically, what if Sandusky, who is obviously an evil evil man, had something on everyone. Maybe he had pics of Spanier. Maybe he told Joe he would tell why he didn't score again in certain games. Maybe the GA was assaulted by Sandusky previously or his father was prescibing drugs to players, this could go on and on. Everyone in this Ivory Tower could have had something to lose if this went public and Sandusky started talking, including the DA.

The stench of this is only going to get stronger.

276 posted on 11/09/2011 11:21:28 AM PST by cork
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To: Zakeet

What a disgusting case. All to protect the legacy of a sports game. I see some comments that reference championships and bowl games, etc. I know football is important to many people, but it’s a game of glorified catch. Some poor boy is anally raped, it’s covered up and I can’t believe how some people are so boo hoo poor JoePa.


277 posted on 11/09/2011 11:21:44 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: Colofornian

Truly the god that failed.


278 posted on 11/09/2011 11:22:45 AM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: cork
or his father was prescibing drugs to players,

I had heard only that the father was a friend. Was he also a doctor? Did he have any official relationship with PSU?

279 posted on 11/09/2011 11:24:01 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: jjm2111; cork
All to protect the legacy of a sports game.

As I have previously posted, I think this is about protecting more that PSU football. This seems to be about protecting a College State sex ring.

280 posted on 11/09/2011 11:25:55 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Colofornian
Perhaps it’s time to yank the statue down & realize that JoePa is not a god, after all.

Bobby Bowden isn't a diety in my book, but even with some of the stuff that went on at FSU, his reputation remains pretty good.

281 posted on 11/09/2011 11:27:21 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: NewinTexsas

I read somewhere on this thread that the GA’s father was a pediatrician.

Again my comments are hypothetical. However I do think alot more is to come.


282 posted on 11/09/2011 11:30:56 AM PST by cork
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To: Colofornian

At least we know what they’ll be writing about him after he’s gone....


283 posted on 11/09/2011 11:31:05 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Zakeet

The total homosexual depravity at this school can be traced back to when they hired Spanier. He was the one who approved and endorsed the annual Penn State lesbian “C@ntFest”. Do a google search on this festival. You will astounded that this is allowed to gone on at a major university. I had heard rumors about Sandusky 10 years ago. There are other pedophile events that have taken place at this hell hole. For example, when basketball star John Ameche bragged about breaking in a 16 yeard male homo while playing at Penn State. Also, back in 1999 Alamo bowl when senior QB Kevin Thompson was not allowed to play his last game. The official reason is that he hurt his shoulder in practice, the real reason is that he was caught having homo sex with another kid in the dorm. Even Daryl Clark, the 2009 QB has skeletons in his gay closet. I could go on and on. Penn State is THE number one most debauched, hedonistic school in all recorded history. It should be burned to the ground.


284 posted on 11/09/2011 11:34:05 AM PST by Flavious_Maximus
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To: Mozilla

All to protect the footbal franchise and the income stream for the school. Now it looks like they’ll have neither. And the kids are still the losers. The victims of these ehinous acts have lost the most...but so have past and present members of the football team....and the current students and alumni.

We see how the schools circle the wagons...as they did around the professor(tree ring) who falsified data on the globull warming studies. So why would anyone think they would ever be capabe of impartiality? And now it will cost them dearly..in $$$$, careers and reputation. Time to clean house...all of them.


285 posted on 11/09/2011 11:43:23 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: Flavious_Maximus

“Penn State is THE number one most debauched, hedonistic school in all recorded history. It should be burned to the ground.”

But... But...
According to an article in Salon, from one hour ago, Pedo U is a CONSERVATIVE bastion!
I kid you not...

Jerry Sandusky and Joe Paterno, registered Republicans
The Penn State football program, like many others at the college level, has long been a bastion of conservatism
By Steve Kornacki

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/09/jerry_sandusky_and_joe_paterno_registered_republicans/


286 posted on 11/09/2011 11:45:31 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Zakeet

It is a sad day for PSU fans....


287 posted on 11/09/2011 11:50:28 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: SueRae
All to protect the footbal franchise and the income stream for the school.

Sounds more like to protect a sex ring.

288 posted on 11/09/2011 11:52:49 AM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Pharmboy

I happen to be a Penn State graduate (’75) and I suppose I do have some skin in the game as far as Paterno and the institution are concerned. ..Not as far as employment opportunities or anything like that - - I have my own business - - but because... well, just because I’m a PSU graduate.

The damage done by that homosexual pedophile rapist Sandusky cannot be overrstated. I just double-checked my FR homepage to make sure there was no reference to being a Penn State graduate and then I wondered, what about all the graduating seniors who have to put “Penn State” on their resumes?

Yikes. If people think an employer won’t grimace just a little when seeing “Penn State” on a resume and hire instead the other, equally qualified, college graduate from some other college, they are deluding themselves.

And what top-flight recruit will want to play football (or any other sport) at Penn State... walk into the showers where the rapes took place? How many high school kids (and their parents) are suddenly going to look elsewhere for a college because the name “Penn State” has been transformed to “Pedo State” and they don’t feel like being the brunt of jokes for the rest of their lives? The damage Sandusky and his enablers have done to the university cannot be overstated. It is complete devastation.

That institution, my college, Penn State, has just been knocked for one hell of a loop. The only conceivable remedy as far as I’m concerned is for EVERYBODY to go, beginning with Spanier and Paterno, and all the way down until you hit the mid-level folks. A TOTAL housecleaning is required if there is to ever be the start of a healing process at that place. Meanwhile, I will be wearing my kids’ Temple sweatshirts.

FRegards,
LH


289 posted on 11/09/2011 11:54:21 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: brownsfan
I’m a little fuzzy on Joe Pa’s role in this. As far as I know, someone came to Joe with a rumor

I'm sure other posters have already chimed in...but a direct eyewitness report from a trustworthy individual whom you later name as your wide receivers coach is not simply "rumor central."

Joe immediately went to his superior. Is Joe supposed to be all knowing? Isn’t it possible that Joe thought it was handled and the rumors are false

How do you define the word "immediate?" Let's say 'twas YOUR son who had been raped...and the rapist had the same potential access to your son the following night...earlier in the day of that "following night" -- Paterno heard face-to-face the eyewitness account...and yet had still not reported it to his superiors...he didn't report it til Sunday.

So Paterno knows the urgency of a hurry-up offense late in the game when they are down, but not the urgency of a felony report where children remain at risk?

Come on. Don't dumb down this crime and its tangled web of immoral responses.

Obviously it would be "reasonable" for Joe to believe it was "handled" once he passed it off that Sunday. But come on, we're talking March 2002. You'd think that by the time 2003 rolled around and Sandusky had never been arrested & he was still doing his 2003 sports camps that Joe just might get a clue that some follow-up/follow-thru was needed. (Ya think?)

Now here we are over 9.5 years later? Sandusky still had access to the main Penn State campus last week. Sandusky still ran sports camps thru 2008 at Penn State satellite campuses.

Why how "vigilant" of JoePa to do the "virtuous" thing long-term.../s NOT!!!

290 posted on 11/09/2011 11:54:36 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: halfright
And what about the graduate assistant who ACTUALLY witnessed the raping of the young boy and DID not tell Paterno the entire story. Joe was under the impression that they were horsing around in the shower. Joe told his boss as I would have told mine, and allowed the judicial system to take care of it. Probably never thought about it again until the Grand Jury summons. McCreary is the guiltiest of them all and no mention of him. HE should have called 911 immediately and told Paterno the exact details of the RAPE.

Oh, Joe Pa-shaw! Paterno properly "rewarded" McQueary for staying quiet all these years by bumping him from "graduate assistant" to Wide Receivers Coach.

You, too, can go forward in the world if you only keep pedophiles in business.

291 posted on 11/09/2011 11:57:11 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Mr. Bird
NCAA Bylaw 2.4 The Principles of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct. For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.

For anyone claiming this has nothing to do with the football program.

Bingo! Excellent post.

And here I saw an ESPN interview yesterday where he claimed "no need" for the NCAA to get involved.

These journalists forget that ethics is a wee bit broader than they allow for.

The NCAA and Big 10 needs to step with with disciplinary action.

292 posted on 11/09/2011 11:59:52 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: tcrlaf
CBSSports.com wire reports Nov. 9, 2011 A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors. 1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach. 1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families. January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1982 season. January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football’s national champion for the 1986 season. 1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10. 1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old. 1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade. 1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program. 1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old. Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl. 1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate. Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6’s mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, “I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won’t get it from you. I wish I were dead.” Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong. The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge. June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status. Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky’s wife, as a member of Sandusky’s family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl. Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade. Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy — known as Victim 8 — pinned up against the wall and performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13. Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8’s identity is unknown. March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately. March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen. March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said. March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it. March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010. 2005-2006: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12. Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa. Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy’s mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law. Early 2009: An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period. September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters. Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts. Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky. Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno’s regular weekly press conference. Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno announces he’ll retire at the end of the season.

Two things:

#1 Anyone reading this timeline who thinks Joe Paterno didn't know about his assistant coach's issues prior to 2002 is certifiable.

#2 "The Second Mile" should be named to "The Pedo File" because that's what they allowed happen to the kids they were supposedly trying to help.

Dear God, be with those kids who were raped by this monster.

293 posted on 11/09/2011 12:02:02 PM PST by adm5 (AMERICA HAS ONLY GOD AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT LEFT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. by: LibLieSlayer 3/18/10)
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To: Colofornian
Paterno properly "rewarded" McQueary for staying quiet all these years by bumping him from "graduate assistant" to Wide Receivers Coach.

That, of course, is speculation on your part, but what is truly amazing is that McQueery is also the recruit coordinator! Wow. Talk about somebody who will "never work in this town again". That guy, who walked away from a gay child rape and told his Dad, may as well change his name and move to China.

294 posted on 11/09/2011 12:04:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: tcrlaf
March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno’s home, where he reports what he has seen.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

Wow! "Later in the month" Such urgency!

Sounds to me that the "news" these two rec'd from Paterno on March 3 was "ho-hum" yawn stuff. Not exactly "breaking news." A rerun of 1998, they probably thought.

No wonder no hurry. 'Twas all already pre-determined. Was perhaps even an extension of the '98 agreement...one whereby perhaps Sandusky said he would "retire" at age 55 if he went out quietly, without scandalizing "THE program."

295 posted on 11/09/2011 12:08:08 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: Lancey Howard
You know what, I have no dog in this fight whatsoever. I have been a life-long WVU fan and had watched many a PSU game simply because they were PSU.

Being a big college football fan, I was crushed when I first heard about this because of the type of program that Joe Paterno ran. I didn't want to believe it, but he was an enabler of Jerry Sandusky. The more that comes out, along with the revelations (at least to me) about PSU being socialized into a queer haven, the sicker it makes me that Paterno ever allowed himself to be put in a position where his morals and standards could be compromised.

No matter how angry I am at him for doing nothing, I truly believe that he was pushed into a corner on this by the PSU faculty. I believe that his coerced compliance and the 02 incident may be a reason for Spanier wanting him gone in 04 and Paterno turned it around on him to stay 5 more years. It would have been dirty and crappy, especially for a man of morals, but I think that may have happened. No proof, just a hunch.

I also believe that Joe Paterno wants to talk. He wants to get in front of microphones and let all of the butterflies out of the envelope; the closed door meetings, the hush-hush deals, the cover up by the queer lovers on the staff, why he truly fired Sandusky in 99, all of it. If not, I do believe the weight of all of it will kill him soon as it would any other man who has principles.
296 posted on 11/09/2011 12:11:09 PM PST by wasp69 (space for rent)
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To: tcrlaf

Paterno’s son Jay worked for the Ubama campaign.


297 posted on 11/09/2011 12:12:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: wasp69

That’s a great post. I agree 100%.

FRegards,
LH


298 posted on 11/09/2011 12:14:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Talk about somebody who will "never work in this town again

Were I to be a betting person...how much ya wanna bet that Penn State will be so "overwhelmed" by the turn of events that there McQueary will be on the sidelines Saturday, workin' away as WR coach?

I guess that will be the test case of who is the god of Penn State, the football program or a Being with Divinity?

That will be the test case of accountability: Will these pre-teen boys be sacrificed at the altar of the homosexual pedophiles so that at least Penn State can win "one more game?" Or will you be right: Will McQueary "never work in this town again."

Stay tuned all, for the next episode of, "As the 'Happy' Pedophiles Turn Yet Additional victims @ State College."

Just think...Penn State's 11-1 2005 season was all built upon the altar of staving off scandal...same is true of its almost 80 wins since this all broke in early 2002.

299 posted on 11/09/2011 12:14:26 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KnitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: wasp69

I generally agree with your post except that I think Joe lost his principles and he knows it and that will be what will kill him.

If Joe had not lost his principles, he would have gone public a long time ago.


300 posted on 11/09/2011 12:16:23 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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