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Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier
AP/Newser.com ^ | Nov. 9, 2011 | Genaro C. Armas

Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian

Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...

(Excerpt) Read more at newser.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: fired; grahamspanier; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania; sandusky; spanier
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To: laxcoach
He seems like a good man, and the reality of what happened will probably haunt him, if not kill him.

Did you see the video of him in front of his house talking to the students? He was loving every minute of it. The dude's brain don't work right.

201 posted on 11/09/2011 8:43:01 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: rintense

I don’t follow college football but I’m intimately aware of its aggressive and protective culture and this, sadly, doesn’t surprise me.

(Earlier this year, after all efforts to curb or abate the disturbing, disgusting and increasing game-day tailgating illegalities failed, I finally had to sell and move away from the yearly hell that Vanderbilt football brought to my otherwise perfect but too-damn-close-to-campus home. But that was nothing compared to what these troubled boys were dealt.)


202 posted on 11/09/2011 8:43:47 PM PST by fullchroma
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To: Will88

Sandusky “retired” shortly after being investigated by the local police in 1998 - in a town of 20,000 or so people I doubt the men at the university did not know about this investigation where he admitted to showering with the boys. I believe we will learn he was told to “retire”


203 posted on 11/09/2011 8:44:14 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Artemis Webb; Impy; Perdogg

I learned tonight that “scapegoat” means letting little kids get raped in the shower.


204 posted on 11/09/2011 8:45:10 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (And who doesn't have baggage?)
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To: Teacher317
The fact that you're a pedo-apologist putting almighty Paterno and PSU above the actual CRIME tells me all I need to know about you, you sick @!^@!^%@&.

Go read the grand jury investigation, jackass. Or are you still lighting candles around your statue of Paterno?

205 posted on 11/09/2011 8:45:41 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: Dengar01

To cover up something, you need to know about it.

There is zero information to suggest that Paterno sat on any information about anything - after a three year grand jury investigation, not some weekend brainstorm.


206 posted on 11/09/2011 8:45:44 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: rintense
You are a low life piece of trash for defending a man and a school who stood by and did NOTHING while innocent boys were being raped over several years. You’re almost as vile as Sandusky.

Thanks for voicing my opinion. I'm let down by the number of "conservatives" who value cheering for a team over basic human rights and dignity.

While I'm an absolute believer that sports is a good way for everybody to learn solid life skills - ones that play right into conservative philosophy - it is now as clear as a nuclear fireball just how unbelievably poisonous the whole collegiate big-sports atmosphere has become.

207 posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:24 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Teacher317

I’m soooo sorry your precious coach of a GAME was fired. I mean, how dare they right? Clearly that precious football program and Paterno’s friend and employee is more valuable then the children RAPED.

Why don’t you get your facts straight. He was told by the grad student what happened. there was a report made against Sandusky earlier. Once could be explained away but twice establishes a pattern. he and everyone at that university did the bare minimum required not even bothering to find the identity of the child the grad student witnessed raped. Sandusky suddenly retired early, but “JoePa” had no idea...right? A guy rumored to replace him as coach up and leaves in middle age and what...Paterno never knew why? he never knew Sandusky was restricted from bringing children to campus? Give me an eternal break.


208 posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:26 PM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: Teacher317
A crime happened. That doesn't mean you bulldoze an entire university.

Apparently you just woke up from a seven day nap.

I would like to give you details but you can go get them yourself.

Bottom line, the whole university up to the president, county officials, pubic school officials, county DA, on and on were covering up for a sex-ring. More heads will roll.

209 posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:41 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: rintense; dfwgator

Your feelings mirror mine. Shut it down, fire everybody and start over next year. Let the players get out of there and go somewhere else to start over without restriction from the NCAA. If you were one of those kids, would you want to go to Columbus and Madison the next two weeks? What bowl game would want to host PSU after what is the worst sports scandal that I can remember in my lifetime?

I can honestly say that this is the first time since I was a little kid that I don’t really want to watch the Huskers. I get sick to my stomach everytime I think about the game on Saturday. I think it will at best be a bizarre spectacle and at worst a horrible debacle. I feel terrible for these 20 year old kids on both teams who have to be absolutely dreading having to participate in this thing.

My heart goes out to the PSU fans out there. As a guy who grew up and still lives proudly in a state where life revolves around football, I can’t imagine the heartbreak of the folks in western PA and around the country who, I understand, love the Nittany Lions like we love the Big Red here in Huskerland. I know I would be devastated.

Just a little side note, Graham Spanier, or “Grammy Spammy” as we used to call him, signed my diploma. Yikes.


210 posted on 11/09/2011 8:47:18 PM PST by Big Red Clay (Greetings from the Big Red State)
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To: Teacher317; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator

Generally Free rebublic has not in the past put up with people defending serial pedophelia to the degree to which you are engaging on this thread, Teacher317. In spite of the grand jury testimony and the previous investigations and the revelations that keep coming.

No matter how long you have been on the site

211 posted on 11/09/2011 8:47:37 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Teacher317

GTFO. He enabled a RAPIST! He KNEW about 1998, he KNEW about 2000, he KNEW about 2002. Are you suggesting that the grad assistant made a special visit to Paterno’s home on a Sunday to give only a vague description of what he saw? That self-centered wretch cared more about his legacy than the 10 year old who was being raped so hard that McQueary could hear the skin slapping together from beyond the shower!!! I wasn’t aware that advocating the firing of a pedophile’s enabler was “politically correct.” What’s is wrong with you?

Oh, and by the way, 2 national championships in 46 years does not qualify someone as “one of the best coaches in history.” That would get his sorry ass fired from many schools.


212 posted on 11/09/2011 8:47:49 PM PST by Round 9
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yes he is. Well put.


213 posted on 11/09/2011 8:47:58 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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To: Colofornian

Hey, I know, let’s get a bunch of moron athletes to come to college and play games. We can fake their grades and buy them cars and girls, and they can become coaches if they don’t go pro. Every beer drinking sycophant for 200 miles will come to our school. What could possibly go wrong?

We need to start discriminating the idiots not deserving of an education past grade six, from those who can actually learn.


214 posted on 11/09/2011 8:48:13 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: scrabblehack

It appears that it was the same DA. His nephew claims that DA Gricar “didn’t have enough evidence to prosecute” in 1998.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/gricars_nephew_on_1998_sandusk.html


215 posted on 11/09/2011 8:48:21 PM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Yossarian

If one of these children were mine, Sanudsky would have never raped another boy again. He would have received the full Lorena Bobbitt treatment.


216 posted on 11/09/2011 8:48:30 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: mass55th

Thank goodness you stood up for your friend. Only a few seem to get someone on their side. I hope one day you are abe to find her. And I hope you find her well. Back then things were hushed up and glossed over even more so than now. You did the right thing.


217 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:19 PM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Please let me be hyperbolic tonight.

The release is catharctic. :^)

218 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:19 PM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Big Red Clay

I just don’t see how that game can go on now.


219 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:49 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

The list below had knowledge of Sandusky’s molestations. Probably the only one’s not aware of the 1998 investigation were the janitors.

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Shreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors


220 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:54 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: MrEdd; Teacher317

Nobody is defending the pederast, you retard.

Some people are arguing against punishing tens of thousands of people who aren’t involved at all. Some are also against punishing the only person who even came close to doing the right thing.


221 posted on 11/09/2011 8:49:58 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: SunnyUsa
Um, those are called pertinent facts. They bear repeating, especially on a thread where people are lashing out with nothing but hate-filled emotions (note the lashing out at me personally already LOL).

There are REASONS why our justice system acts with slow and deliberate motions... Because mob mentality like you see here, among otherwise intelligent and rational adults, gets very ugly very quickly. Sadly, we're just as eager to dive into a Five Minute Hate as the mindless rabble on the Left. I understand that this particular topic evokes intense emotions... Which is exactly why rational review is crucially important.

Even IF some admins are found to have been slow or negligent in their reporting of these events, the punitive measures suggested here and elsewhere are mostly gross overreactions. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

222 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:06 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: mass55th

I read where he’s on the board.


223 posted on 11/09/2011 8:50:25 PM PST by nfldgirl
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Hence the problem ... no?


224 posted on 11/09/2011 8:51:19 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Soul Seeker

I’m a lifelong football fan. Never thought much about Penn State, because I don’t think much of the East Coast in general. But I always believed the story that Joe Paterno was the epitome of Coaching, raising young men to be their best, la la la...

I’ve been truly shocked by the news this week, and at my age I kind of thought I was unshockable. Obviously, Paterno knew what was going on and did Absolutely Nothing!!! Not even the least thing, such as revoking Sandusky’s privileges to the football facility.

My son is about the same age as McQueary, and was a husky football player in college. If he had caught this monster in the act he would have shoved him into the shower wall, taken custody of the boy and called the Cops. That’s what people do who have been raised to know the difference between right and wrong.

Does Paterno know the difference between right and wrong? Apparently not.

I have the feeling justice will prevail here. In whatever form it appears.


225 posted on 11/09/2011 8:51:54 PM PST by Island Girl
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To: Dengar01
In 2005 that same DA went "missing", in June of 2011 he was declared "legally dead". That's something in a Mafia Movie from Hollywood.

Not only that, but the hard drive was removed from his laptop, and destroyed so badly that no data could be recovered from it by expert data recovery firms.

This stinks to high heaven.

226 posted on 11/09/2011 8:51:59 PM PST by Yossarian ("All the charm of Nixon. All the competency of Carter." - SF Chronicle comment post on Obama)
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To: Born to Conserve
We need to start discriminating the idiots not deserving of an education past grade six, from those who can actually learn.

It worked in England for centuries until quite recently.

227 posted on 11/09/2011 8:52:09 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: flintsilver7

“To cover up something, you need to know about it.”

List of people that covered for Sandusky ...

President Spanier
AD Curley
VP Schultz
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Shreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
Child Services
County DA Gricar
County Prosecutors
Coach McQueary
Coach Paterno
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paterno’s staff including down to the janitors


228 posted on 11/09/2011 8:52:43 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: Teacher317

It’s quite obvious you either know nothing of the facts or you don’t give a damn. The new wagons didn’t come out UNTIL A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION OF SEVERAL YEARS CONCLUDED! Who do you think those jurors, the district attorney and police spoke to to reach this report? Spirits from beyond? They spoke to the victims and their families!

Do yourself a favor and shut up.


229 posted on 11/09/2011 8:53:08 PM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: Colofornian

Though I don’t like to kick anyone when they are down (with the exception of perhaps the Kenyan occupying the White House), I am thrilled with the firing of Joe Paterno.

I love college football and I’ve always enjoyed the story of the man.

However, NO college football program’s reputation, no man’s legacy, should supersede the safety and well being of innocent children. From what has happened at Penn State, there is no other possible motive for these men to have ignored their moral obligations other than protecting the school and later, themselves.


230 posted on 11/09/2011 8:53:32 PM PST by CWSNTEXAS (Am I'm the ONLY Conservative Jew in America? What's wrong with you other schmucks?)
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To: NonValueAdded

I do NOT think that Joe Paterno did not know of locker room rumors of Sandusky’s sexual proclivities! He worked with him for YEARS,

He knew.


231 posted on 11/09/2011 8:54:07 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

These kind of supporters are the ones who bust their rear ends all week leaving little time for more than a couple distractions in life. Pennsylvania is a huge football state and most of these rural people played when younger. It is just like basketball and Indiana University here in my Hoosier Wonderland. It’s just what you do.


232 posted on 11/09/2011 8:54:07 PM PST by InvisibleChurch ( go in peace , serve the Lord)
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To: Teacher317
Even IF some admins are found to have been slow or negligent in their reporting of these events, the punitive measures suggested here and elsewhere are mostly gross overreactions. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities.

Uh, you miss the point. Little boys were being raped in Joe's locker room and nobody did anything about it.

233 posted on 11/09/2011 8:54:15 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: LeonardFMason
Eccl 9:18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war: but one sinner destroyeth much good.

It takes a lot to keep me from my sleep, but this story has.

234 posted on 11/09/2011 8:54:26 PM PST by irgbar-man
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To: Round 9

The fact is that you must make several assumptions already (”you think he went on a Sunday” etc). Those who rush to convict, and decimate entire universities, entire sports, etc, long before any judicial proceedings are held, are the same kind of people who are ideal for tyrants and zealots in their rise to power. Try waiting just a few days, and for a few actual facts presented under oath, before calling for the death penalty for the crime of failure-to-report (which usually gets a bad write-up in a file, and a few days of administrative leave in most career paths).


235 posted on 11/09/2011 8:55:30 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Kennard

The graduate assistant went to his office and called his
father, reporting to him what he
had seen. His father told the graduate assistant to leave the building and come to his home. The graduate assistant and his father decided that the graduate assistant had to report what
he had seen to Coach Joe Paterno (”Paterno”), head football coach of Penn State.

The next morning, a Saturday, the graduate assistant telephoned Paterno and went to Paterno’s home, where he reported what he had seen. Joseph V. Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant’s report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley (”Curley”), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno’s immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

From page 7 of the grand jury report.


236 posted on 11/09/2011 8:56:02 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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To: airborne

Since the DA in 98 and the one in 05 were the same guy, we will need one of those mediums to conduct a seance in order to question him.


237 posted on 11/09/2011 8:56:18 PM PST by gusty
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To: BenKenobi

Yep, and that suggests this thing goes much farther and possibly involves powerful people. Maybe that’s why nothing was done despite numerous people reporting things they saw going on with Sandusky.


238 posted on 11/09/2011 8:56:48 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: rintense
Dime to donuts PSU will be kicked out of the B1G TEN

I Doubt it.

Penn State will rebuild and survive. UM basketball survived Ed Martin. MSU survived the 70's probations and end of the Perles era. Ohio State will survive Tressel.

Penn State will clean house, but if they get it right on the new coach, they will be back. They are the flagship major school for the entire northeast as well as Pennsylvania which is loaded with in state talent each year.

They'll be rough times, but PSU will be back.

239 posted on 11/09/2011 8:57:17 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Teacher317
Try waiting just a few days, and for a few actual facts

FACT: Everyone from the janitors up to the president knew that Sandusky was bangin boys in Joe's showers and NO ONE did a dang thing about it.

240 posted on 11/09/2011 8:57:40 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: NewinTexsas

No, YOU miss the point. They DID Inform those “up the chain”, as they were required to do. We just want them to be required, in retrospect, to do MORE... And now we want to punish thousands of people who were not involved in any bad acts or failure-to-report issues, all to punish those who did not have the foresight to do more than they were legally required to do nine years ago. How can that make sense to you?


241 posted on 11/09/2011 8:58:26 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Darren McCarty

This isn’t even close to what happened to the other schools. And with more coming out about it, and the cover up, it will get worse.


242 posted on 11/09/2011 8:59:11 PM PST by rintense (ABO is not a winning strategy.)
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To: NewinTexsas

And how can you not see that this kind of thing will not be used in other areas of law and life a decade or two into the future. Hyper-reactions and emotionalism make for horrifyingly bad law, precedent, and history.


243 posted on 11/09/2011 8:59:46 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: Darren McCarty

I’ve heard Greg Schiano’s name mentioned. He might be the one to do it.


244 posted on 11/09/2011 9:00:08 PM PST by free me (heartless)
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To: Teacher317

Don’t bother. He’s convinced that hundreds of people across the state knew the full extent of Sandusky’s pedophilia and simply ignored it. You’re not going to talk any sense into him.


245 posted on 11/09/2011 9:00:39 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: flintsilver7
Nobody is defending the pederast,

You personally just defended a pedophile. You personally just insinuated that a seven year old victim (which we now know some of these kids were) is really post pubescent. I never said Paterno should get the same punishment as Sandusky. I do believe he didn't tell authorities all he knew and I absolutely believe that the concerted effort required to keep this from exploding earlier amounts to a conspiracy. I have been consistent in my assertion that all known people at Penn State who can be asserted to have known about this for years should be fired forthwith, and that the full investigative power of the law enforcement system should be brought to bear to determine what laws if any were broken and I believe this merits the maximum possible penalty.

I don't give a crap how much that pisses you off, flintsilver7

246 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:07 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Island Girl

Never cared for Penn state or gave two cents of attention to the media branding him as a saint. I’m more of a PAC 10 and SEc fan and they have their own issues. but like you never thought this was coming down when rumors started circulating about investigations.

It’s sick and clearly the entire culture surrounding that program has been corrupted. The people there really have no idea how bad this is and that’s why I favor hell being rained down on their heads from outside sources even the federal government who I usually want to keep out. because clearly these people are so tied to the program their sense of ethics and morality has taken a decade long holiday. They can’t be trusted to clean that entire college out without pressure from the outside. I don’t even believe Paterno would be gone if the Governor who started this investigation before his recent election hadn’t gone to have a little talk with the trustee’s today.


247 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:28 PM PST by Soul Seeker (I will work every day to make Washington, D.C., as inconsequential in your lives as I can - Perry)
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To: NewinTexsas

No, my friend, that is NOT a “fact”... And the fact that you insist that your hyperbole is factual should tell you something. I’ll bet you my cars title against yours that there were plenty of janitors and others who had no idea what was happening.


248 posted on 11/09/2011 9:01:35 PM PST by Teacher317 (really?)
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To: MrEdd

He founded the charity thirty-four years ago?? My God! That means he’s probably been doing this for most of that time. We’ll probably never know how many kids’ lives he’s ruined.


249 posted on 11/09/2011 9:02:13 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Colofornian

bump - this story and apparently the number of victims is growing exponentially. I don’t think i’ve ever seen anything like this. Horrifying.


250 posted on 11/09/2011 9:02:27 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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