Skip to comments.Penn State trustees fire football coach Joe Paterno and PSU president Spanier
Posted on 11/09/2011 7:30:27 PM PST by Colofornian
Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.
The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.
But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.
One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower...
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Which is exactly HOW this pedofile was enabled by Paterno and PSU. Did you or did you NOT read the grand jury report?
Yes. Like stop the rapist.
What would you do if a student came to you and said your best friend was raping a boy in the restroom. Wait till the next day and inform the principle and then merrily watch with no concern as your best friend continued to hang around and 'play' with little boys?
I’m hearing Urban Meyer as likely for Penn State. More so than Ohio State which may be too much like the SEC for him.
Talk about lack of criminal & cultural comprehension. You're one of our best candidate-exemplars.
Sandusky will be tried before a jury of his peers. His a criminal legal prosecution.
Penn State coaches & admins had a few other "bars" to be accountable to:
The first one was the "bar of ethics," which since Sandusky retired in '99 -- can no longer be held accountable to:
NCAA Bylaw 2.4: The Principles of Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct. For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program.
Penn State's athletic program and their admins utterly "flunked" this bar exam. They did not lionize honesty and responsibility; instead some chose to "lionize" the spirit of Alfred Kinsey, who facilitated child sexual abuse via the Indiana Univ. studies. You'll note how Indiana Univ. officials have covered up the child abuse in Kinsey's studies for over 50 years now! Hence, the Big 10 is the pedophile conference of the world!
On top of that, indeed the "bar of public opinion" kicked in. So what? A Democratic Congressman was elected to office to represent Utah in 1898...but grassroots America found out he (B.H. Roberts) had married his third simultaneous wife after the Mormons said they would do a turn-around on polygamy. 28 banners with 7 MILLION signatures were delivered to that 1898 Congress, which then sent Roberts packing back home.
What's wrong with grassroots America speaking to the decision-makers? Or do you prefer that we be censored?
The fact that the families did not come forward until the news wagons were out front should tell you something.
Wow! Such cultural ignorance! Either you don't understand State College and JoePa as the cultural idol there -- and the risks one takes in taking on such a "god" -- or you have a flight of reality going on. Even worse, what? You think these teens & children should "come forward" into the limelight. Wow! How insensitive can you possibly be to these victims?
You reflect well the "all about me and my identity" culture.
In the Grand Jury report. The janitors observed Sandusky late at night with little boys in the showers but were afraid to report it for fear of losing their jobs.
It is a fact. I can show you links to where EVERYONE listed knew.
(and to my credit, I've managed to hit "delete" before hitting "post" when I replied with some of my own nasty insinuations, LOL)
I don't want your car. It probably has sticky goo on the seats.
When Hugh later testified in front of a closed session of congress, he himself was threatened with court martial and later received any number of threats. He never wavered, and was only recognized for having done the right thing decades later.
While he died in 2006 in some relative degree of obscurity, he had exhibited more courage, honor and heroism before his 26th birthday than McQueery, Paterno, Curley or any of the other so-called adults in this sordid mess could ever hope to know.
I was once told that the difference between a coward and a hero is the direction they run. McQueery, Paterno, Curley, Spanier and all the other so-called adults in this sorded mess have shown the world what they are, and deserve everything they have coming.
In Ohio, if you don't call the police or Children Services, you're going to be handing over your state license, and for damn good reason.
Why do you keep calling them “Joe’s showers”? I asked you before, i’ll ask again: Why do you hate Joe Paterno so much? You continue to single him out. You seem to have a greater hatred for him than Sandusky?
This thread you need to watch.
All NT claimed is that janitors knew...he didn't claim ALL janitors knew. Wow, you're hypersensitive, aren't you?
Read the Grand Jury presentment. Some of the most sordid details in that 23-page doc covers Sandusky "licking" a boy on Penn State grounds per janitors' testimony before the GJ. Hyperbole?...Wow!
The same in Michigan. You are obliged to report a crime against a child to the police.
Wow, you make it sound if someone stole a candy bar from the school book store. A ten your old boy was savagely raped in the football locker room. A helluva lot worse than “One guy, nine years ago, did something bad.”
Did I read that correctly?
(facepalms, shakes head)
Thanks for answering my question.
Yep, Sandusky was probably asked to retire after some of his activities were first noticed. And the more we learn the worse all this will look for all involved.
And, in the small town you describe, I won’t be surprised if we later learn that some of the Board of Trustees members knew something of this over those many years.
It’ll get worse before it starts getting any better.
I slip every now in then but I don't make personal attacks, don't respond to those that personally attack me and advise people that are personally attacked to grow a thick skin. It's just the internet.However, it does not sit well with a lot of posters here when we keep hearing the same old arguments, many reposted from other Joe-bot from other boards. It's been several days of this and I am frankly tired of repeating that JOE allowed the rape of multiple little boys when it was in his power to stop him. He didn't and he can't be defended.
Thanks for the calm and collected post amongst the out-for-blood crowd. Sandusky probably did horrific crap, but this whole thing hasn’t been brought to trial. It’s like a national lynch mob going here.
Thanks for your kind reply. I can’t take the credit for doing the right thing, because after all, I learned it from my parents :-)
However, my personal history does nothing to change my points. After the molester gets a fair day in court, he will likely have a long prison sentence. Those who failed to report in a timely manner should have been given a warning, probation, administrative leave, or whatever else is common for teachers, cops, social workers, etc who have similar failures. What the bored sports journalism majors are creating here, for their own amusement and self-aggrandizement, is beyond the pale.
yes, because no other college sport has ever had a scandal before. *rolling eyes*. One guy, nine years ago, did something bad... And so many people want to punish tens of thousands of others who were not involved, all to assuage their feelings in an orgy of plitically-correct lashing out. Pathetic.
We hate PC as much as everyone. But we are not talking about lame black or Jewish jokes or comments about a woman in your offices big breasts. Boosters paying kids, selling jerseys for tattoos seem pretty tame in comparison.
Yes. The plot thickens. Now ask yourself.
WHAT did Sandusky have on whom such that he was allowed to play with boys for years and nobody could touch him?
I'm beginning to think we all may just want to put this kind of spin on permanent "ignore." I don't think we can get many understatements comparable to this one...
Let's see now...Penn State admins heard direct eyewitness reports of abuse in March of 2002...and here it is...it'll be a full decade later in about 4 months...and they still haven't filed a report on the on-campus abuse...and you have the utter gall to use the word "slow" as descriptive of that?
What kind of spin alien are you?
This is where the you-know-what may hit the fan.
If this act is enforced by the feds (coming soon) then, yes, all the PSU hierarchy, including Paterno, may be criminally charged.
You have more character than Joe Paterno has ever had or will.
Sorry. You still are not getting it.
That’s an excellent point.
His story is that he asked Sandusky to consider whether he(S) wanted to devote his time to Second Mile or what was really important(College footsball). Paterna was either totally oblivious to what was going on or was in fact a key part of the cover-up which allow Sandusky to retire (with privileges).
I report - You decide.
IF JoPa enabled this guy, intentionally, and it can be proven, THEN he can gets tossed. We are a long long way from those proceedings, but few here seem to care. They've convicted him already, knowing close to nothing. Tats what bugs the bejesus out of me.
(And The only thing I like about PSU is their logo, LOL.)
See my 271 and 282 to teacher.
As of today, Joe Paterno is an honorary member of the board of directors of the charity in question.
Children being raped ! How anyone could even look at , or be in the same ‘space’ with him, after these charges were made, is nothing short of mind boggling.
Time will tell.
I read the entire sordid report. I’m aware of the facts. Continue in your state of denial.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”-Burke
“Homosexuals are a protected species. You cannot look upon their actions and declare, “That is wrong”. It is risky to condemn them.”
ESPECIALLY in an environment where the King of the Valley, the University President:
Is trying to create the most gay-friendly college campus in America;
fired it’s 27-yr Womens’s basketball coach for DARING to say that homosexuality would not be tolerated in her program;
approved the creation of an all-gay fraternity (I’ll bet they have an interesting “Hell Week”);
Approves of the yearly “QUEERFEST”, and “C#ntFest”;
and wrote his dissertation on Wife-Swapping....
yes, I get that several children were hurt, and had their lives disrupted far beyond anything I've ever had to deal with. (the fact that their parents did little for a decade doesn't seem to mean anything to anyone here, either. Where is the anger at THEIR failure to act?) That still does not change the fact that the mob mentality and overreactions that are already happening set a bad precedent, and lead us all down a bad path. I'll join in a prayer for the boys... And still know that my points here are correct. Intense emotions do NOT change Truth or Justice. I care too much about our grandchildrens future Freedoms to fall in line with the Five Minute Hate crowds.
Ben, I've seen this said several times. What does it mean? I'm not familiar with the term as it applies to a college.
“I personally feel that this goes much deeper than just Paterno. Based on nothing but gut, I suspect that this behavior was not just with Paterno alone, which would partly explain the lack of proper reporting.”
Based on fact:
People we know that knew Sandusky raped little boys.
PSU Attorney Wendell Courtney
Second Mile Attorney Wendell Courtney
University Police (Detective Ronald Shreffler)
State College Police (Detective Ralph Ralston)
Department of Welfare (Investigator Jerry Lauro)
County DA Gricar
Various elementary and high school officials
Second Mile officials
Joe Paternos staff including down to the janitors
What a contrast as to how Sandusky’s known abuse was ignored by the DA, and covered-up by higher-ups at Penn State, and Duke University labeled the innocent Lacrosse players as rapists, and the DA pursued charges that never happened.
Willful blindness. People didn't want to believe that "royalty" would do that. Sandusky was royalty at PSU. If he went down for that in 98, there probably would have been a house cleaning and "retirement" for Paterno just because he hired Sandusky.
That's not to mention the black eye for "their team"
Yet you avoid answering my question in post #261. That tells me a lot about your idea of right and wrong.
A report is insufficient for conviction. You see, we used to have these funny things called courts and juries and due process and other assorted inconveniences. Thankfully, we got rid of them in the early 21st century, so we don’t have to wait before punishing hundreds and hundreds of tangentially associated folk who may or may not have known a thing. Welcome to our Brave New World! Yeehaw!
The death penalty is the popular term for the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)'s power to ban a school from competing in a sport for at least one year. It is the harshest penalty that an NCAA member school can receive.
It has been implemented only five times:
The University of Kentucky basketball program for the 195253 season.
The basketball program at the University of Southwestern Louisiana (now the University of Louisiana at Lafayette) for the 197374 and 197475 seasons
The Southern Methodist University football program for the 1987 and 1988 seasons.
The Division II men's soccer program at Morehouse College for the 2004 and 2005 seasons.
The Division III men's tennis program at MacMurray College for the 200506 and 200607 seasons.
“I just dont see how that game can go on now.”
Me neither. I don’t see how their season can go on. I think the admin at PSU made a move in the right direction tonite but this is so much more than that. This isn’t kids cheating academically or getting free cars or even hookers and blow. This is a revered group of coaches, led by an icon who won more games than any coach in history, covering up for and allowing continued access to a child rapist. For over a decade.
I talked to alot of friends at work and to my buddies, all college football nuts like myself, and we all pretty much agreed that PSU continuing on this year would only ultimately make things worse. The taint from this deal is not gonna get washed away by firing JoePa and a bunch of admins. Shut it down now, fire the staff and bring in a straight shooter head coach and bunch of likewise assistants.
Can you imagine going out to recruit if you are an assistant coach associated with this? I would not want to sit down in a living room with parents trying to sell them on Penn State if I was there when this happened even if I had nothing to do with it. What a horrible deal this is.
You are still not getting it.