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Jerry Sandusky Rumored to Have Been 'Pimping Out Young Boys to Rich Donors,' Says Mark Madden
NESN ^ | 11/10/11 | Michael Hurley

Posted on 11/10/2011 7:01:47 AM PST by BunnySlippers

What he said was twice as shocking as anything that's been released thus far.

"I can give you a rumor and I can give you something I think might happen," Madden told John Dennis and Gerry Callahan. "I hear there's a rumor that there will be a more shocking development from the Second Mile Foundation -- and hold on to your stomachs, boys, this is gross, I will use the only language I can -- that Jerry Sandusky and Second Mile were pimping out young boys to rich donors. That was being investigated by two prominent columnists even as I speak."

Madden also spoke more definitively to the cover-up efforts at the school and beyond that he expects will be made public soon.

"The other thing I think that may eventually become uncovered, and I talked about this in my original article back in April, is that I think they'll find out that Jerry Sandusky was told that he had to retire in exchange for a cover-up," Madden said. "If you look at the timeline, that makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

(Excerpt) Read more at nesn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: inneedosomerestraint; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania; pervstate; sandusky; secondmile
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For related story...which also gives link to WEEI clip of Mark Madden, see:
New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse
101 posted on 11/10/2011 8:38:42 AM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: org.whodat
Is this the same Penn State that was involved with a Global Warming? And I believe a member of MIT thought that investigation was a whitewash. Are these faux institutions of learning or just non-prof money machines?
102 posted on 11/10/2011 8:46:52 AM PST by Voter62vb
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To: Voter62vb; All

NCAA steps up (FINALLY)...

President Emmert’s statement on Penn State

Regarding the ongoing Penn State criminal investigation, the NCAA is actively monitoring developments and assessing appropriate steps moving forward. The NCAA will defer in the immediate term to law enforcement officials since this situation involved alleged crimes.

As the facts are established through the justice system, we will determine whether Association bylaws have been violated and act accordingly. To be clear, civil and criminal law will always take precedence over Association rules.

Mark Emmert
President, NCAA


103 posted on 11/10/2011 8:50:37 AM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: BossLady

http://bustedcoverage.com/2011/11/07/1988-jerry-sandusky-says-second-mile-a-major-reason-in-turning-down-temple/

1988: Jerry Sandusky Says Second Mile A MAJOR Reason In Turning Down Temple

Via Jerry’s hometown newspaper, the Observer-Reporter – Dec. 21, 1988:

“From my standpoint the options were very attractive. With the option of staying at Penn State there are so many things here. There’s the university, the football program, the community, everything that I’m involved with in working with kids. Those are meaningful parts of my life.”

Sandusky admitted his community commitments, including The Second Mile home for troubled youths and a rapidly growing foster parents program, played a major factor in his decision. His parents, Art and Evie Sandusky, moved to State College nearly two years ago to help Jerry in the administration of those programs.


104 posted on 11/10/2011 8:52:16 AM PST by maggief
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To: penelopesire
Very disturbing material on that audio link. Thanks for posting it.

I'm not optimistic about this 'all coming out.' I don't understand much about the homosexual/pedophile culture, but these things have happened before, with lots of indications that "it's going to go much further," and then it fizzles out and dies on the vine. I think these people are wealthy, intelligent, well-connected, and know how to work together as a team to protect their interests.

As that guy on the audio said "look how brilliant this is," referring to Sandusky's "Second Mile" foundation, the money he raised to fund it, and how that foundation served to supply him with an endless river of vulnerable young boys.

The idea that he kept those "riches" to himself and didn't trade them to like-minded men is very hard to believe. "I'll rape 'em, but I won't pimp 'em." Yeah, right.

105 posted on 11/10/2011 8:54:31 AM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: BossLady

(no link)

Only one job for Sandusky // He wants to succeed Paterno
Patriot-News, The (Harrisburg, PA) - Sunday, December 29, 1991
Author: Ronnie Christ, Patriot News
TEMPE, Arizona When Jerry Sandusky said no to Maryland, he did more than turn down another head football coaching job.

The Penn State defensive coordinator was actually saying the only head coaching position he really wants is to succeed Joe Paterno.

There are no assurances that Sandusky will get the Penn State job when Paterno finally does step down in about five years.

Yesterday, during workouts here for Penn State’s Jan. 1 Fiesta Bowl clash with Tennessee, Sandusky went on record as the first candidate of the future.

“I’d love to be a head coach,” he said. “I’d love to be a head coach at Penn State.

“As far as the Maryland situation, it’s funny, because a few years ago I said that if I did leave, the Maryland job was one that appealed to me.

“I even put together a plan I thought they needed to be successful. When their athletic director talked to me, I thought about it for two days and decided to stay here.”

Sandusky has turned down a number of jobs over the years. His ties to Penn State and to the Second Mile , which he founded, have always kept him on Paterno’s staff.

The Second Mile provides housing and guidence for young kids in trouble.

“I’ve talked to Joe numerous times, and he’s told me to do whatever I want to do and he would support me. It seems emotion always plays a part in my decisions.

“When word got out that I might leave, one of the kids in the program called me. He wasn’t concerned about me. He was worried that our camp programs was going to end.

“I have a lot of challenges in my life in terms of trying to do a job for our defense and continuing the programs for The Second Mile .

“Although it was exciting to put together something like that for Maryland, I guess it comes down to I like what I’m doing and I don’t want to risk giving that up.”

Sandusky earned three letters as a defensive end at Penn State, where he graduated first in his class and earned a master’s degree in health and physical eductation.

He coached at Juniata and Boston University before returning to his alma mater in 1969. He will be 51 when Paterno is slated to step down in 1996.

Will he still want the job five or maybe even 10 years from now?

Sandusky answered with a laugh, “Well, there’s a mandatory retirement in the state of Pennsylvania. I may be retired before he [Paterno] does.

“There’s no assurance of that. You have to live with that possibility. Obviously, I’ve dreamed about doing that.

“There were no assurances at Maryland, either. I want to do what I’m doing as well as I can do it and whatever happens, happens.”

(snip)


106 posted on 11/10/2011 8:57:14 AM PST by maggief
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To: abb
'Jerry Sandusky' - consultant - 57K

Oh and this is rich - the foundation paid 266K for this ---

COMMUNITY EDUCATION-- PROGRAMS TO-HELP STUDENTS TO-RESPOND PROACTIVELY-TO-NEGATIVE-PEER-PRESSURE-& IMPROVE SELF-ESTEEM. (139 PRESENTATIONS TO -18,655-PARTICIPANTS; - 24,135_MILESTONES DISTRIBUTED )

107 posted on 11/10/2011 8:58:31 AM PST by BossLady
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To: maggief
"His parents, Art and Evie Sandusky, moved to State College nearly two years ago to help Jerry in the administration of those programs."

So he got his parents in on it??? Ugh!!!! Is that where he learned his perviness?

108 posted on 11/10/2011 9:03:26 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady

Though not listed in the form 990, all contributors to 501(c)’s are public records and I’m sure that some enterprising reporters are going through those lists even now.


109 posted on 11/10/2011 9:04:44 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: BunnySlippers

http://bwi.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=36&tid=149549742&mid=149549742&sid=890&style=2


110 posted on 11/10/2011 9:07:02 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Steely Tom

I agree. We have seen how these things go in the past and usually the perps and enablers walk. It truly is sickening and what’s even more outrageous is that some people want to politicize it. It doesn’t matter to me if the people that did this are dems,republicans or OWS’ers..if this is true, they should be hung up and shot.


111 posted on 11/10/2011 9:08:05 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR!)
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To: abb
I find it interesting that the $$ goes way up over a short period of years -

2002 Assets - $2,705,305

2010 Assets - $9,454,510

And they revised their by-laws in Nov 2009

112 posted on 11/10/2011 9:14:32 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BunnySlippers

Knute Rockne once described State College, PA as being “equally inaccessible from all directions”.

It was an apt description. Very isolated, self-contained community, surrounded by mountains and miles and miles of nothing. An ideal environment for keeping secrets “in the family”, at least in the pre-Internet era.


113 posted on 11/10/2011 9:31:44 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: maggief; abb
This just in - (new tidbits on missing prosecutor)

DA Who Never Charged Sandusky Has Been Missing Since 2005

""People ask why Ray did not prosecute, and I have no problem saying, because he clearly felt he didn't have a case for a 'successful' prosecution," Tony Gricar, Ray Gricar’s nephew , told The Patriot-News.

"... One thing I can say is that Ray was beholden to no one, was not a politician."

This district attorney who had “a bitter taste in his mouth for the [Penn State] program, and its coach,” according to his nephew, and yet never prosecuted Sandusky, disappeared on April 15, 2005 after telling his girlfriend that he was going on a drive.

Ray Gricar’s car was found the next day in a Lewisburg parking lot and his laptop, sans hard drive, was found in the Susquehanna River, according to the Patriot-News.

Ray Gricar’s friend, Montour County District Attorney Robert Buehner Jr., told the New York Times that if the ardent district attorney had committed suicide, he would have wanted his body found. But in the case of possible foul play, no suspects have emerged from investigations.

When it comes to the Sandusky case, friends and former co-workers are all of the opinion that Ray Gricar would never back down from a righteous prosecution.

“No one got a bye with Ray,” Anthony De Boef, who was an assistant district attorney under Gricar for five years told the NY Times. “He didn’t care who you were; he had a job to do.”

And, despite the fact that Ray Gricar had the mother of one of the alleged victims confront Sandusky while police listened, the 1998 report on Sandusky was labeled “unfounded” by the District Attorney’s Office, reports the Patriot-News.

“I would say this about Ray: He would be extremely cautious in proceeding because he wanted to make sure that there would be a reasonable likelihood of conviction,” Buehner told the Patriot News. “You don’t want to go after someone high profile unless you have a compelling case.”

As for the 2002 incident, in which a graduate assistant told Penn State coach Joe Paterno that he witness Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in the PSU locker rooms, there is no indication that Ray Gricar was notified, reports the Patriot-Times.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DA-Who-Never-Charged-Sandusky-Has-Been-Missing-Since-2005-133615093.html

????What names, dates and places were on that hard drive????

114 posted on 11/10/2011 9:35:09 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady

From the VERY FIRST second this hit the news, my response was

FOLLOW THE $$$$.

The College & Pro Sports programs in this country have grown, like malignant tumors, WAY WAY WAY beyond their rightful and sensible place in American Life today. They unfortunately are filling major voids in the lives of far too many Americans.

The amount of money involved is simply staggering, and when available funds reach those levels, ANYONE can get ANYTHING they want done by simply spreading a bit of “petty cash” around. For those involved in this industry, petty cash can be hundreds of thousands of bucks.

Look at the LA Dodgers scandal. The owners were using it as a personal piggy bank to fund their outrageous lifestyles, allowed attempted murder in their parking lot (Brian Stowe’s lifetime medical expenses have been estimated as high as a BILLION bucks) and ran it into BK and yet estimates are the sale will STILL bring in at least a BILLION BUCKS!!!


115 posted on 11/10/2011 9:44:32 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: BossLady

Witness protection program???

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Months later, D.A.’s fate remains a riddle - There is a rising belief that Ray Gricar of Centre County is dead. Sightings of him in other states have not checked out. D.A.’s whereabouts remain a riddle
Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) - Tuesday, September 6, 2005
Author: Larry Eichel INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

It’s been almost five months now since the Friday morning in April when Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar left his home in this mountainside county seat and drove east on Route 192.

And then disappeared.

His car was found the next night in Lewisburg, 60 miles from home, in a dirt parking lot near the Susquehanna River.

To this day, investigators have no idea what happened to him or how they might find out.

There is the possibility that Gricar , 59, who called his live-in girlfriend from the road to say only he wouldn’t be home to take out the dog at noon, ended his own life.

Or that he decided to walk away from it all. Or was murdered, perhaps by someone he had prosecuted or was about to.

Some folks in town think he is in the witness protection program, though they can’t tell you why he would be.

But the passage of time and the discovery of a key piece of evidence five weeks ago - Gricar ‘s laptop computer, fished out of the Susquehanna River in Lewisburg - have caused those closest to the case to believe that he’s dead.

“I think it’s a homicide,” said Bellefonte Police Officer Darrel Zaccagni, the frustrated lead investigator in the case, who has sought the help of the state police, the FBI, the Attorney General’s Office, and a psychic from California.

(snip)


116 posted on 11/10/2011 9:51:52 AM PST by maggief
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To: conservativebabe
This thing is going to get a whole lot worse I’m afraid. It will be shocking

Agreed. The fact that Sandusky got caught in the act on more than one occasion only emboldened his behavior. Once he saw that he could get away with it, he probably stepped it up a notch.

Before this is over, I expect hundreds of victims to come forward due to the access that Sandusky had to such a large pool of victims. At this point, Sandusky has to be keenly aware of the extremely high mortality rate for child rapists in our prison system. I expect him to be crying like a little bitch telling all he knows before this is over. You can bet that right now someone in Pennsylvania government is crunching the numbers trying to estimate how much their liability could be in this case. And at the federal level, you have hundreds of trial lawyers connected to the Obama Administration who see another source of money that can be looted.

117 posted on 11/10/2011 9:52:40 AM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: indylindy; dfwgator
I hope it's not true. However, this guy Madden broke part of the Sandusky story back in April . . . and nobody listened at the time.

In fact, read the first two comments on his blog, responding to his post back in April. People didn't believe him then, either. Not that it makes him right now.

But this has been going on since at least 1994. And pedophiles tend to know pedophiles, from what we read. And whether those other pedophiles were at Penn State or elsewhere, Sandusky had a source of boys through The Second Mile.

118 posted on 11/10/2011 9:54:51 AM PST by Scoutmaster (I stand for something; therefore, I can't stand Romney)
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To: dfwgator

Dottie Gross [on the left], Sandusky's wife. Had to have known.

119 posted on 11/10/2011 10:01:37 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: maggief
M.I.B.??? ;)

Read earlier too that the US Dept of Ed is getting involved....maybe they have the goods?

120 posted on 11/10/2011 10:10:28 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1126185/index.htm

Three decades ago Art Sandusky was a conductor on the streetcars of Washington, Pa. and, with his wife, Evie, the owner and operator of a hot dog stand. But when the streetcars were shut down, the Sanduskys found that pushing frozen custard and foot-long red-hots in the summer months wasn’t providing the wherewithal to pay their bills the year round. So they signed up as live-in directors of the Brownson House, a local recreation center that was on the verge of being closed.

After the Sanduskys and their 9-year-old son, Jerry, moved in, they persuaded the town fathers to keep Brownson House going. That was back in 1953, and they have been there ever since.

This goes a long way toward explaining why their son, now the Penn State football team’s defensive coordinator, is, at 38, the founder of The Second Mile, a charitable organization that recently opened a group home for six troubled boys in the State College, Pa. area. The home’s name comes from the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5:41—”And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.”

SNIP

Growing up in Brownson House, Sandusky had observed the same thing about troubled children. “So much of what happens depends on the care and concern that people show for them,” he says. “I saw so many kids come through there who never really had a family or anybody to care about them or give them any guidance at all. It always bothered me.”


121 posted on 11/10/2011 10:11:19 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

Yep....I posted from that article earlier. It sure is telling.....


122 posted on 11/10/2011 10:19:24 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BunnySlippers
I suspect this is true. Pedophiles seek out opportunities to interact with vulnerable young boys.

We had a pedophile scandal involving the coach of a youth sports group. He was convicted of producing child porn besides molesting young boys. I suspect he was also passing along vulnerable kids to wealthier molesters.

It would make sense for a wealthy molester to get someone else take the risk of being the initial seducer of a young boy, and then pass him along to the wealthy pedophile. PSU might have suspected that a trial would have dragged all this out and rocked PSU to its foundations.

123 posted on 11/10/2011 10:19:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: BossLady

Excellent observation!


124 posted on 11/10/2011 10:19:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BossLady

http://articles.philly.com/2011-07-31/news/29835864_1_investigators-retirement-plans-ray-gricar/2

Gricar was eight months from retirement in April 2005 when he told his longtime girlfriend, Patty Fornicola, that he planned to go shopping for antiques in Lewisburg, 50 miles from their Bellefonte home.

When he did not return that Friday night, Fornicola called police. A day later, they found the Mini parked near the river. Inside was Gricar ‘s cellphone, and nothing else.

Search-and-rescue teams swarmed the site and the river. Fornicola and Lara Gricar held a press conference appealing for help from the public or for his return. Neither happened.

The years since have brought a trickle of head-scratching details, dead-end leads, and, at times, finger-pointing accusations.

Gricar abhorred smoking, but investigators found cigarette ashes on the passenger side of his car. His county-issued laptop, which he did not use regularly, according to Sloane, turned up later in the Susquehanna without its hard drive, a component typically screwed in.

When the hard drive turned up downstream, experts from two labs could not access its content.


125 posted on 11/10/2011 10:22:26 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
So the 'smoking man' from XFiles shows up and poof the guy and his hard drive disappear......

Found this info which is disturbing from -

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7207465/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-scandal-jerry-sandusky-was-campus-last-week-reports-say

"Former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, who has been indicted on charges of sexually abusing eight boys over 15 years, had access to the team's weight room as recently as last week, according to reports."

SNIP

"A person familiar with Sandusky's relationship with Penn State told The Associated Press that the former coach long maintained an office in the East Area Locker building which is across the street from the Penn State football team's building, and was on campus as recently as week ago working out."

"The university's online directory listed Sandusky, whom Penn State officials said was banned from campus over the weekend -- as an assistant professor emeritus of physical education in the Lasch building. "

126 posted on 11/10/2011 10:31:17 AM PST by BossLady
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To: Steely Tom
As that guy on the audio said "look how brilliant this is," referring to Sandusky's "Second Mile" foundation, the money he raised to fund it, and how that foundation served to supply him with an endless river of vulnerable young boys. The idea that he kept those "riches" to himself and didn't trade them to like-minded men is very hard to believe. "I'll rape 'em, but I won't pimp 'em." Yeah, right.

As I said in my earlier post, a wealthy pedophile would prefer that somebody else take the risks. He might be willing to pay significant money if somebody were able to take a boy to him for a weekend, feed the boy some "date rape" drug so that the child would not remember what happened, and then return the boy home later.

If they dig, expect some very powerful people to panic.

127 posted on 11/10/2011 10:32:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: BossLady; abb

(no links) EXCERPTS

Interview with Tony Gricar
FOX News Channel - Wednesday, April 27, 2005
Show: FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN
Author: Greta Van Susteren

TONY GRICAR , NEPHEW OF MISSING D.A.: Hi, Greta.

VAN SUSTEREN: Tony, any information? I mean we’ve been out there. We’ve looked around. We’ve followed the pressers (ph). We’ve followed the news accounts. Do you have any new information tonight about your uncle?

GRICAR : No, not anything different than what you’re probably aware of at this point.

VAN SUSTEREN: In terms of the laptop computer that’s missing do you know if that’s a work-related laptop or a personal one?

GRICAR : It is. It’s a work-related laptop that he has available for his use at home. He did have a work laptop as well or I’m sorry a work desktop computer but it was an occasional use laptop from what I gather.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right and that has not been accounted for, is that right? Nobody has found it at home. It wasn’t in the car. And it’s not at work.

GRICAR : That’s correct.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are the police, do they want to see the contents of it? Is there a focus on that laptop?

GRICAR : I think at this point it’s more of, you know, trying to help to get a better picture of the situation. I don’t think, I haven’t heard anything yet at least of the laptop being any key point as far as any files or things like that go.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. Ray was not a smoker, right?

GRICAR : No, nobody in the family is big fans of smoking and he loves his car and nobody would smoke in the car.

VAN SUSTEREN: So, you would find it bizarre if someone were a passenger and lit up a cigarette that Ray would let that happen in his car?

GRICAR : To me that’s more bizarre than the laptop missing actually.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know how much ashes, could it be some just, you know, traces of ashes tracked into his car by a passenger? Could it have happened weeks before?

GRICAR : It could but, you know, he also takes good care of his car. I know when they did fingerprinting there wasn’t much that turned up. So, he kept a clean car much like everything else related to him.

//

Interview With Darrel Zaccagni
FOX News Channel - Thursday, April 13, 2006
Show: FOX ON THE RECORD WITH GRETA VAN SUSTEREN
Author: Greta Van Susteren

VAN SUSTEREN: On April 15, 2005, District Attorney Ray Gricar called his girlfriend to say he was taking a drive. His car was found the next day but he has not been seen since. A year later are police any closer to solving this bizarre disappearance?

Joining us on the phone from Pennsylvania is Officer Darrel Zaccagni of the Bellefonte Police Department, welcome sir.

DARREL ZACCAGNI, BELLEFONTE, PENNSYLVANIA POLICE DEPARTMENT (by telephone): Thank you, ma’am, how are you today?

VAN SUSTEREN: Very well. I understand that you were — that some cigarette butts were found outside the car that Ray Gricar was driving on the 15th of April and those are now being sent for DNA testing?

ZACCAGNI: Yes, ma’am.

VAN SUSTEREN: Any reason why a year has gone by for this DNA testing and it hasn’t been done?

ZACCAGNI: No, it was just — it was a lead that we were following up on and we had to explore the situation a little bit more. There’s nothing substantial. There’s nothing to do so it’s — it’s a long shot for us in the fact that hopefully once we get the DNA run if we would come back and find DNA from off those cigarette butts that we could match up to an individual that has had previous contact with Mr. Gricar , it would be a direction to go to start to interview that person and say, OK, what were you doing there with Mr. Gricar ? What was happening?

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, so cigarette butts found outside the passenger side or driver’s side of the car?

ZACCAGNI: I believe we recovered one from each side of the vehicle.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right and when you opened — and when someone opened the car, the car was sealed pretty tightly, the smell of cigarettes inside the car and neither Mr. Gricar nor his girlfriend to whom the car belongs smokes is that right?

ZACCAGNI: Correct. Initially after the car was opened up for the forensic examination there was an odor of tobacco, cigarette smoke within the car but shortly after the door opened it dissipated and then we did recover some very minute amounts of cigarette ash on the floor.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know we only have about 30 seconds left and I don’t mean to, you know, poke this at you but it’s really hard for me to understand why everyone has waited a year for this. I mean this man’s — this is a D.A. He’s been missing. The clues were there, the cigarette smoke. Any thought why anyone didn’t do anything sooner?

ZACCAGNI: Well because we’re still — we’re still handling this investigation as a missing person. There’s nothing to indicate that there’s anything else here but a missing person at this time.

However, if we would discover a body at some point and it would turn out to be some sort of foul play, we’ve at least established some DNA off these cigarettes to go back and talk to somebody. We’ve established DNA for Mr. Gricar for identification purposes. And it’s just another lead that we’re following up on.


128 posted on 11/10/2011 10:33:10 AM PST by maggief
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To: Rightly Biased

If prior boy abuse sex rings with the rich and powerful are any indication, the reporters gathering the info will be isolated and disrespected, the victims will be trashed, harassed and harmed, and there will be no law enforcement action that touches anyone.

There was a Republican named King in Oklahoma who played the central role in a boy child abuse scheme and people who don’t know about it will be surprised how it was squashed even given all the information that came out and all the witnesses.

In that case, the men who were abused as boys had drug problems, were crazy, and were not upstanding men of the community. Their brokenness was used as proff by their abusers that it was all lies... King had the same kind of front operation running - a benefit program for disadvantaged, poor kids.


129 posted on 11/10/2011 10:33:31 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: BossLady

Yeah, I agree very telling.

The victims have got to be in the hundreds and this spans back years and years.

No way this just started in 1994 or 1977 for that matter.


130 posted on 11/10/2011 10:33:42 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: maggief

Gricar had decided to drop this case. I wonder if he may have changed his mind and that is why he has disappeared.

He is either dead or not planning on being found.

I wonder if the truth about what happened to him will come out one of these days?


131 posted on 11/10/2011 10:36:28 AM PST by dforest
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To: dfwgator
Who were those people?

People who thought PennStatePedo football was more important than the lives of troubled young men being raped and further victimized.

The type of people up in arms at PennStatePedo right now because they think NOTHING that could negatively affect their chances of winning or the “prestige” of the program could possibly be as important as their precious football team.

132 posted on 11/10/2011 10:38:08 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: BossLady; abb

Secret service???

(no link)

Vanished DA leaves mystery by the river // Gricar left behind few clues, many theories
Patriot-News, The (Harrisburg, PA) - Monday, April 16, 2007
Author: FORD TURNER, Of The Patriot-News

EXCERPT

Not everyone is convinced the case has been handled appropriately.

The district attorney in neighboring Clinton County, Ted McKnight, said he believes Gricar was the victim of foul play. The case, he said, should have been handled accordingly, meaning it would belong to the district attorney’s office in Union County — the county where Street of Shops is located — and not to the police department in the borough where Gricar lived.

“They aren’t the people who ought to be involved. I have been saying that from day one,” said McKnight, a district attorney for 22 years. “It shouldn’t be the hometown people.”

Dauphin County District Attorney Ed Marsico said he believes the local police and Centre County district attorney’s office had done everything they could.

“To have a colleague basically disappear from the face of this Earth is troubling. ... No resources should go to waste in a case like this,” Marsico said.

Speculation abounds

Patty Fornicola, Gricar ‘s girlfriend, lives in the house she shared with him for more than three years. She said she is still disappointed when she arrives home each day and he is not there.

Fornicola underwent a lie-detector test, administered by the U.S. Secret Service, that established her willingness to do anything to help with the search.


133 posted on 11/10/2011 10:38:17 AM PST by maggief
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To: indylindy

Actually, if it is a homo sex abuse ring built around boys by powerful and connected men, the best Madden could do is make sure the public knows something is up so it will be hard for the elite (news paper editors, etc.) to kill the story and cover up.

Now we expect something to come out - even if it comes out that there is nothing real to report.

To tell you the truth, given other boy abuse operations in the country, the perps will have the power and connections to be able to kill it and harm and smear everyone - the reporters and witnesses.


134 posted on 11/10/2011 10:39:33 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: penelopesire

Bullying is code for stamping out any resistence to homosexual sex and behaviors.

They are grooming boys to be afraid to object and setting up homosexual male dominance over males in our society. This is much bigger than most people realize.

Mass Resistence has public school homos on tape telling kids (ages 13-19)in the gay straight alliances at a regional conference, that it is good to have sex with “experienced” adults for your first time.


135 posted on 11/10/2011 10:43:44 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: who knows what evil?

Yes and they are doing a simulcast of a daily radio show on the WEEI Sports Radio Network (about 10 affiliates in New England)

Obama: “Penn State, right here. Nittaly (sic) Lions.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLTekcur-E


136 posted on 11/10/2011 10:45:09 AM PST by raccoonradio
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To: maggief
"I believe we recovered one from each side of the vehicle."

Wonder if they were the same brand?

I agree with GVS....why wasnt DNA done on the butts?

My BF and I have been saying from the beginning that this is BIG BIG BIG!!!!! One look at the Grand Jury Report and you know there are just unfreakinbelievablely gargantuan layers of a cover up that has been happening for decades......

137 posted on 11/10/2011 10:46:21 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady; Protect the Bill of Rights

I agree with you and your BF. This may make the Duke Lacrosse Frame look like child’s play.


138 posted on 11/10/2011 11:05:01 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
Reading these various articles about the DA and his disappearance....I get the feeling that there were going to be some bigwigs shown to be involved with this scandalous activity....and they cant be having that!!!

Look who Penn State graduated....

William J. Perry ’57g - Former Secretary of Defense under President Bill Clinton (1994-1997)

Valerie Plame Wilson ’85 - Former CIA officer; author of Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House

Also - Loads of sports writers, journalists and Hollywood types

http://alumni.psu.edu/about_us/famous

139 posted on 11/10/2011 11:05:51 AM PST by BossLady
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To: maggief

Was thinking....in the GJR...it stated that one kid was driven to buy some weed....then the kid said he smoked it in the car with JS at the wheel. You have to wonder if the perv plied the boys with booze and weed on those overnighters (shades of MJ ‘jesus juice’)


140 posted on 11/10/2011 11:13:09 AM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady

Has this been posted?

Makes one wonder about the father? JMO

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_started_the_sec.html

Jerry Sandusky started The Second Mile to aid children; name was inspired by PSU players and sermon
Published: Thursday, March 31, 2011

EXCERPT

The nonprofit organization is now worth $9 million. It brought in $2.6 million in 2010.

In January, the organization received the go-ahead from the Centre County commissioners to apply for a $3 million state grant to pay for an $8.5 million learning center on 60 acres near the University Park Airport.

The proposed facility would eventually have housing for up to 100 children.

Its location won’t be far from the Brownson House, a recreation center that Sandusky’s father, Art, bought when Sandusky was 12.

The family moved into a top-floor apartment and turned the hall into a YMCA-type facility, where kids could hang out after school, “where their chances for getting into trouble were lessened considerably,” Sandusky wrote.

His father was a huge influence, he writes. And his experiences with the Brownson House, as described in his book, mirror many Second Mile services.

“The name came to me while I was talking with some of our football players in the locker room,” he wrote. “... I had just heard a sermon in church about going the extra mile ... And that’s when the name came to me.”


141 posted on 11/10/2011 11:34:45 AM PST by maggief
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To: maggief
“The name came to me while I was talking with some of our football players in the locker room,” he wrote. “... I had just heard a sermon in church about going the extra mile ... And that’s when the name came to me.”

There is so much wrong with that graph...I dont know where to start.... :o

Yes....if JS was grooming, fondling, raping....then he learned it from somewhere....its no excuse of course... You have to wonder if there are clues in his book 'Touched'.... (just read an article at CSM that people have caused a big ol riot over at amazon because they are selling it on the site)

142 posted on 11/10/2011 11:48:23 AM PST by BossLady
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To: NEMDF

This rapist is out on $1000,000 bail. Why it is so low, I have no idea.....but is sounds fishy!


143 posted on 11/10/2011 11:57:17 AM PST by mickie (my grandson is in Marine boot camp)
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To: BunnySlippers

This is the stuff of parents’ nightmares.


144 posted on 11/10/2011 12:10:46 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: conservativebabe

I feel a larger issue here too is that this is an example of what happens when we make idols of men. We place them on pedestals, we make excuses for their wrongdoing...


I would include Jackie O, Hillary and Oprha in this idol category, too. All of them have been involved in wrong doing we don’t want to admit. Oprha’s school for orphans in Africa was involved in child sex abuse.


145 posted on 11/10/2011 12:30:36 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: maggief
This is from Wiki on Gricar - take it for what its worth -

Gricar moved to State College, Pennsylvania around 1980, when his wife took a job at Pennsylvania State University ("Penn State").[3] He opted to become a stay-at-home dad to his young daughter following the move; however, when news spread that a prosecutor was living in the area, Centre County District Attorney David E. Grine offered Gricar an assistant position, which he accepted.[3] The DA position was vacated later that year when Grine became a judge, and Gricar ran for the open position; he won the election by a margin of 600 votes.[4]

A part-time job when he was first elected, Gricar successfully campaigned to make the Centre County DA job a full-time one in 1996.[4][5] He was re-elected as DA in 1989, 1993, 1997, and 2001.[4] During his tenure as DA, Gricar prosecuted the perpetrator of the 1996 Hetzel Union Building shooting at Penn State.[5][6] In 1998, Gricar declined to press charges against longtime Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky following allegations of sexual abuse;[7] but 13 years later, in 2011, Sandusky would be arrested and charged by the Pennsylvania Attorney General's office on multiple counts of child sexual abuse. In 2004, Gricar announced he would not run for re-election and would retire from both the DA job and as a practicing attorney in December 2005, shortly after his 60th birthday.[

SNIP

Police and family members noted that the location where the vehicle was found – adjacent to two bridges over the Susquehanna River – bore some similarities to the location where the vehicle of Roy Gricar, Ray Gricar's older brother, was located before his body was found in the Great Miami River in Ohio in 1996.[10

SNIP

In April 2009 Bellefonte police revealed that before his disappearance, Gricar used his home computer to perform internet searches on topics such as "how to wreck a hard drive", "how to fry a hard drive", and "water damage to a notebook computer".[14]

146 posted on 11/10/2011 12:30:54 PM PST by BossLady
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To: Vaquero

lets just hope that Lot does not offer up his daughters....


That one always got me! And Lot was considered worth saving? Holy Moly!


147 posted on 11/10/2011 12:35:11 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: BossLady

You might take a look at what the wayback machine has

http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://thesecondmile.org

http://web.archive.org/web/200012062102/http://www.thesecondmile.org/


148 posted on 11/10/2011 12:39:38 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas; maggief
Thanks!!!!

Found this vid -

5200 Pentagon Employees PURCHASED Child Pornography!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7qTBkA8X_E

There's a lot of pervs out there....

149 posted on 11/10/2011 12:47:14 PM PST by BossLady
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To: BossLady

HT: Liestoppers

https://sites.google.com/site/raygricar/home

Links:

Missing District Attorney
Quotes From Ray Gricar
News, Videos & Links
Forums on the Case
Rear of the Courthouse
Bellefonte Map
Lewisburg Scene
Mini Cooper Location
Laptop & Hard drive Locations
Photos
Timeline
Key People
Maps
Documents
Bellefonte Police Screen Capture
Contact


150 posted on 11/10/2011 1:36:17 PM PST by maggief
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