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Penn State's Joe Paterno gets what he deserves
SF Chronicle ^ | Nov. 10, 2011 | Scott Ostler

Posted on 11/10/2011 1:31:44 PM PST by Colofornian

Edited on 11/10/2011 1:42:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Folks, this is Joe Paterno's legacy.

E-mails jump into my inbox defending Paterno...

I won't remember what Paterno did, but what he didn't do. What he didn't do is what got him fired...

Firing Joe Paterno doesn't fix everything, but it's a great start.


(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abuse; fired; grahamspanier; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania
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Excellent, excellent column by Scott Ostler. Read the whole thing.

From the column: What is the over-under number on how many people have to know about a depraved predator working under their noses before one of them takes a step to stop the predator and protect the victims? Jay Bilas, the ESPN college basketball commentator, called it "a conspiracy of cowards."

From the article: Today, for the first time since the scandal broke, the outside world doesn't have to ask, "Is everyone associated with Penn State football completely delusional?"

This is what a personality cult who deifies people becomes....as this columnist pointed out how JoePa was "glorified and defied."

From the column: With responsibility comes responsibility."

From the column: "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more," Paterno said in a statement. That's pathetic. You need hindsight to tell you that you must do whatever you can to stop a dangerous criminal?

From the column: Several e-mailers demand, "Have you ever heard of due process?" The due process I've heard of involves a justice system and a legal trial. Paterno faces no legal action or charge. Legally, his rear end is covered. But there was no trial when Paterno was sainted, no jury declared him one of the noblest and finest college coaches of all time. The public decided. It's the same deal on the flip side...

1 posted on 11/10/2011 1:31:46 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

The media is being delicate in describing this as “molesting”. This is a homosexual man sodomizing 10-year-old boys. Out-and-out child rape. The homosexual element is most probably the reason nobody did anything about it. Queers are a protected class. That’s why the truly disgusting behavior at fag pride parades are never reported. That and the high number of homosexuals in the news media.

Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised to find these rapes to be a cherished tradition in an entire filthy hive of fags centered in the university.


2 posted on 11/10/2011 1:33:35 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Ah, the old Hope-a-Dope.)
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To: Colofornian

seems to me McQuerey needed to go before Joe but what do I know.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 1:33:46 PM PST by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: Colofornian

I’m surprised the SF paper thinks there is anything wrong with what happened.


4 posted on 11/10/2011 1:35:03 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Colofornian

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing


5 posted on 11/10/2011 1:36:33 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Colofornian

Keep your eyes on Joe everybody! Keep your eyes on Joe! Don’t look over there, don’t look at this whole thing may be much much bigger than Joe, like a pedophile sex ring catering to rich and powerful people. Nope, keep your eyes on Joe.


6 posted on 11/10/2011 1:38:24 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: San Jacinto

Scuzzbag Joe Paterno. He always seemed creepy and guilty on the sidelines. He KNEW to report the rapes to the police, but protected his own backside from penetration by truth and justice.


7 posted on 11/10/2011 1:38:58 PM PST by mountaineer1997
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To: San Jacinto

I found that odd too!


8 posted on 11/10/2011 1:39:50 PM PST by Guenevere (....We press on.....)
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To: San Jacinto
Joe Pa was turned into a fall guy because Graham Spanier needed company to take the heat off his politically correct effeminate ass. That's all.

If interested, you can read my supporting evidence for this opinion here.

9 posted on 11/10/2011 1:41:19 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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10 posted on 11/10/2011 1:41:26 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC BY DONATING NOW! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
The media is being delicate in describing this as “molesting”. This is a homosexual man sodomizing 10-year-old boys. Out-and-out child rape.

This is how the multi-culturalist Media throws a blanket over the whole incident. Like not showing the collapsing World Trade Center video when remembering the anniversary of 9-11. because it MIGHT offend a favored group.

The 2002 incident was a violent physical assault on that boy's mind & body. And if Sandusky had raped a female undergrad that is EXACTLY how they would be writing it.

11 posted on 11/10/2011 1:42:19 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: San Jacinto

LOL! Commentary from the modern day Sodom.


12 posted on 11/10/2011 1:42:45 PM PST by LeonardFMason
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To: Colofornian

San Francisco, what a place..!

The local lib talk place is KGO 810 AM —one of the main lib talk show hosts was fired 2 years ago for CHILD MOLESTATION, and another flamboyantly homo host 3 years ago launched an obscenity-laced death-threat tirade against the life of Matt Drudge (he has been re-hired).

For SF 2b talking about RESPONSIBILITY is very, VERY rich.

SF enforces responsibility against STRAIGHT NORMAL people —gay guys can LITERALLY fellate one another in public or even PEE on each other.


13 posted on 11/10/2011 1:44:00 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Colofornian

I’m sorry, but no one who works at a Frisco newspaper has any right to talk about morality...


14 posted on 11/10/2011 1:45:10 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: All

something in the same vain happened in the DC area a few years ago. A “popular” elementary school principal was murdered. It was then revealed he was killed after an encounter with someone from a “dating website”. It was then revealed it was a “same sex” dating website. It was then revealed he was killed by some young teenaged boys whom he met on the website.

NOBODY in the media put the facts together. They just reported on the vigil for the “popular figure” that had access to many young boys through his job and was trolling for gay underaged lovers online.

There is a fear to report the facts if they place a protected class in a poor light.


15 posted on 11/10/2011 1:45:13 PM PST by newnhdad
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To: bigbob

***All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.***

There were no good men - not a one!!!!


16 posted on 11/10/2011 1:46:13 PM PST by sodpoodle (Cain - touching the better angels of our nature. Newt - knowledge is power.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Graham Spanier needed to be gone a long time ago, and for many, many reasons including this one.

His liberal, moral relativist views created an environment where things like this were bound to happen, and likely were viewed as acceptable.

JoePa became culpable when he reported what he knew, but then did not react to the fact that Sandusky continued to hang around the football program. (in fact there is growing evidence that he has lied, claiming that there was some “wrestling” or “towel snapping” going on, when in reality McQuade’s grand jury testimony indicates he was told quite clearly what the deal was).

In my view McQuade should also be gone because he walked away from the shower and left the boy there to continue to be sodomized by Sandusky.


17 posted on 11/10/2011 1:48:02 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Free Vulcan

I’m lost. I thought this guy was a former assist. coach who was no longer employed at Penn., and was not associated any longer in coaching or with Paterno. That Paterno turned him in upon hearing the eye witness and that the creep was run off from officing some kid program there on campus. No? I figure Paterno turned the creep in, on time, and went back into the tunnel vision world of coaching. Are you saying he should have called the police on hear-say then? Guess I need to read more. A lesson for all of us. You may want to think it is handled and it isn’t.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 1:50:36 PM PST by RitaOK (Texas. Exhibit A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: RitaOK
Trust, but verify.

Unfortunately, regular follow-up is usually required.

Even JoePa should know that well from experience.

19 posted on 11/10/2011 1:53:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: All
"Penn State's Joe Paterno gets what he deserves "

Not by a long shot.
20 posted on 11/10/2011 1:55:57 PM PST by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Colofornian
Paterno didn't 'do nothing'. He reported the incident to his boss, and to the campus police.

Could/should he have done more? Of course. He didn't and deserves whatever criticism & retribution for that alone.

Its Sandusky that needs to be fried.

I hate a pile on.

21 posted on 11/10/2011 1:56:45 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Buckeye McFrog
"...Graham Spanier needed to be gone a long time ago.."

Also the perp responsible for the whitewash investigation of Micheal Mann and ClimateGate.

22 posted on 11/10/2011 1:56:54 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: kosciusko51
I’m sorry, but no one who works at a Frisco newspaper has any right to talk about morality...

Well, you're just plain wrong. (As in not right)

Biblically, we have a "prime-time" example. Lot.

Surely you've heard of Sodom and Gomorrah. "San Franciscos" of ancient history.

Lot lived there.

Now what did the apostle Peter have to say about Lot's "testimony" re: Sodom:

4 For if God ...
(v. 5): did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. (2 Peter 2:4-9)

Lot, a Sodomite resident without being a Sodomite as we have come to define the term, was righteous. Lot was "tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard."

How do you know there's not a very small remnant of the righteous living in San Francisco...enough to fulfill Abraham's bargain in Genesis that if God can find "X" # of people living in a city, He won't destroy it?

SF is still on the map...which tells me there's still a few there who not only "have a right" to speak on morality...but having experienced so much tormentable immorality...are even greater authorities on the subject.

So stop exporting such nonsense.

23 posted on 11/10/2011 1:59:35 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: skeeter

I think we’ll find that Joe knew what Sandusky was up to. We will find out Sandusky’s “retirement’ in 1999 was related to the incident, on campus, earlier that year with another kid. Campus police investigated and didn’t do anything. Joe didn’t do enough. In fact, Sandusky continued to have access to the football facilities until just recently.

You do have to ask how Sandusky felt so comfortable doing what he was doing at the football complex. He apparently didn’t think he would ever get turned in there. Of course, in 2002, Joe was what, 74 years old. It will be a sad final chapter to an otherwise notable career.


24 posted on 11/10/2011 2:05:23 PM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: RitaOK

Your take is about like mine. I think that the then Student Assistant may have worded his reporting to Paterno entirely different from what he had to report as an older adult testifying to a grand jury as to what he saw.

I think Paterno, nine years ago at 75, had blinders on and could not fathom someone he had known for years being capable of something that he couldn’t concieve of.

My dad was old school, about 10 years older than Paterno and I remember he could not comprehend how a co-worker of his who later worked for me went off the deep end in a different manner. Dad had matured in an era where such things were more rare and where such crimianals were long gone prior to perfecting their perversion through middle age as this guy had done.

Would-have, could-have, should-have....


25 posted on 11/10/2011 2:05:58 PM PST by KC Burke
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To: Jeff Chandler

Bullseye! You are 100% right! But the other factor of ‘protection’ is HOLY FOOTBALL!
If this had been a professor, a student, a maintenance man UNconnected to football, this would have been reported and over years ago! It would have gotten a day or two of media coverage at most.
ANY people other than those football connected in that university would have been dealt with long ago, and it would not have been as ‘big’ a news story.
This is all about how the ‘unfortunate incident’ will affect the football team and reputation.
The fact that sex( of any kind) is ‘no big deal’ helped, and CYA re. jobs(perhaps not otherwise) is also a factor.
But my question is , how ‘normal’ is this in our universities, especially in athletic programs??
Is the ‘star’ factor of football being used as a lure for young boys? Are parents trusting their kids to strange men because they are ‘famous’ names in football? Looks like it to me!
I do believe other universities and athletic programs need to be investigated. One ‘big name’ getting away with this for so long tells me that the same opportunities-and excuses- are being made for many others.

And the national SICK obsession that puts football above every other aspect of life is the reason these men got away with all of this!


26 posted on 11/10/2011 2:05:59 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: skeeter

I wouldn’t report this to ‘campus’ police,, but to the REAL police. This is not something to stay ‘internal’.


27 posted on 11/10/2011 2:06:22 PM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: Paladin2

I just don’t want to think Paterno knew, and see no evidence, yet, that he did know anything more than what he dutifully reported. Tunnel vision of coaching at 85 seems enough reason to think the old guy did the right thing on hear say evidence against a guy that wasn’t even employed by the university and no longer associated with the coach. What was Sandusky doing for a program anyway that would even be allowed on a university campus? I don’t really get it all yet. I am just sorry for the victims, and can’t yet make the leap on Paterno’s guilt by association. Maybe later.


28 posted on 11/10/2011 2:08:45 PM PST by RitaOK (Texas. Exhibit A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: KC Burke

The grad student was 28 years old.

I am 28 years old. If I saw an adult man raping a young boy I would damn well not walk away and call my father.

If someone came to me and reported someone I worked with was being inappropriate with a kid, I’d ask for specifics, too. Both grad student and coach were massively at fault there.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 2:09:25 PM PST by JenB
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To: RitaOK
Paterno turned the creep in, on time, and went back into the tunnel vision world of coaching.

That is correct. The perp was run off campus. Paterno himself did not witness anything and dutifully passed on everything reported to him in a timely and proper manner.

I'm sure he wishes he had done more, but he's old school, respected the chain of command and trusted his superiors to do the right thing as he was supposed to do.

Joe Pa was turned into a fall guy because Graham Spanier needed company to take the heat off his politically correct effeminate ass. That's all.

If interested, you can read my supporting evidence for this opinion here.

Dig a little further under this pile on and I think you will find people who hate Paterno because of his politics, his religion or both.

30 posted on 11/10/2011 2:10:40 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Colofornian

“Legally, his rear end is covered.”

Then, there is a fundamental flaw in our legal system.


31 posted on 11/10/2011 2:11:04 PM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy
“Legally, his rear end is covered.” Then, there is a fundamental flaw in our legal system.

The Law is an ass.

32 posted on 11/10/2011 2:12:15 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: RitaOK
Paterno's college tuition was paid by an older, rich guy of questionable sexual persuasion. The Penn Sate Prez was a "social scientist" of "swinging".

This could go way back.

33 posted on 11/10/2011 2:12:28 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Vigilanteman
That is correct. The perp was run off campus

Guess that explains why he was in his office on campus...ONE WEEK AGO.

34 posted on 11/10/2011 2:13:31 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Colofornian
I say this in the fact that the writer is not looking and commenting on the perversity of his own city, but is willing to stand in moral judgment of a man who did what the letter of law required, and was not held criminally responsible for any action.

What Joe Paterno did at worst was turn a blind eye to what was happening around him. This is much less than Lot did, who offered his daughters to the Sodomites.

IF Scott Ostler has commented and condemned the immorality of his home city, then maybe he can comment on the PSU situation. However, the fact that he is still there after all these many years is prima facie that he has not.

35 posted on 11/10/2011 2:14:44 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: JenB; KC Burke
Excellent observations.

You are both right.

But through the eyes if a guy who was in his mid 70's at the time, I still have to give the benefit of the doubt to Joe Paterno.

My feelings are far less charitable to the 28 year old grad student who personally witnessed the outrage. Particularly a strong young football player who was certainly physically able to stop it. My feelings might be different if he was the nerdy team statistician with horn-rimmed glasses.

36 posted on 11/10/2011 2:17:52 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: skeeter

” I hate a pile on.”

Ironic choice of words!
I would say the kids raped in this homosexual ‘athletic’ activity hated pile-on’s too!

Evil protects evil. Homosexuals protecting each other is what this is bout. And being an ‘icon’ only gives you that much more ability to protect-yourself and others.

So you consider Paterno less guilty because of his icon status, his advanced age, his position of power?
Being in charge means you’re responsible.
To allow a child rapist in your employ, and presence, means you give tacit approval to his actions- and that you care more about him( and your own hide) than you do the children he preyed on USING your University and athletic program!


37 posted on 11/10/2011 2:18:12 PM PST by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: KC Burke

Well, look, I hate the lasting smell of “guilt by association”, and always have. The tone of this SF reporter all huffy against only Paterno when no one there, or here, knows for sure that Paterno knew squat about every jot and tittle of campus gossip on Sandusky.

I can back off defending Paterno when I hear the evidence that he actually knew more than he turned in, or covered up for the creep, but there is absolutely none yet. Sheesh. The guy is cannon fodder old and can’t possibly be up to both coaching Penn State, ramroding investigations into a guy who wasn’t even employed there, and orchestrating cover ups. A bridge too far at this early point in the story.


38 posted on 11/10/2011 2:23:38 PM PST by RitaOK (Texas. Exhibit A for Rick, who needs to pound the fiction flackers back into the Stone Age.)
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To: dfwgator
"Guess that explains why he was in his office on campus.."

Is that the Office of Service for Perv Donors?

39 posted on 11/10/2011 2:24:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Vigilanteman

The perp was “run off campus,” but what were Paterno and the school thinking? Just don’t do it here?

I love Joe. This is hard.


40 posted on 11/10/2011 2:26:23 PM PST by mom.mom
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To: RitaOK
Don't be an ageist.

JoePa was obviously still in full control of his facilities and with long experience in the field was likely an expert in figuring out what was going on around him.

41 posted on 11/10/2011 2:26:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: kosciusko51
OK. I'll accept your distinctions.

I guess what you said earlier could have just been worded a bit better...sounded too "absolutish"

42 posted on 11/10/2011 2:27:49 PM PST by Colofornian (The Ped State KNitKinsey Lionizers: The campus which most now love to loathe!)
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To: mom.mom

PennState had NO problem whitewashing Michael Mann’s ClimateGate issues.


43 posted on 11/10/2011 2:28:04 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Colofornian

When you think about it, Paterno did EXACTLY what so many Catholic bishops did. I wonder how many of the students who rioted last night in support of Paterno were critical of the bishops and the way they handled accusations of child sex abuse by those under their authority.

The students at Penn State and all those who defend Paterno, saying “but don’t forget all the good he did” should try applying those same words to the bishops and see if they feel the same way.

It is misguided loyalty.

As for me, I say Paterno should share the same jail cell as those guilty bishops.


44 posted on 11/10/2011 2:29:57 PM PST by StonyMan451 (As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: ClearBlueSky
Paterno didn't rape anyone, so yes I consider him less guilty.

I shouldn't have to point that out.

If anything, he's considered MORE guilty because he's got a recognizable name.

45 posted on 11/10/2011 2:30:34 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Jeff Chandler

I also wonder if Paterno is being scapegoated to keep the homosexual angle off the headlines


46 posted on 11/10/2011 2:31:16 PM PST by hecht (Murray use your coaster)
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To: Colofornian
Colofornian, I hope you didn't not think that I meant anyone who lived in SF couldn't comment on it. I just meant that the press in SF can have no moral outrage if they turn a blind eye to the immorality in their own back yard.
47 posted on 11/10/2011 2:33:00 PM PST by kosciusko51
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To: hecht

Ask the former PennState Prez.


48 posted on 11/10/2011 2:34:36 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: mom.mom
The perp was “run off campus,” but what were Paterno and the school thinking? Just don’t do it here?

Actually he ran his boys camp on campus till 2008 when the investigation began and he was still seen using the facilities as of last week. They took his keys away only AFTER the indictments were released. They allowed him the use of campus facilities all during the three year investigation.

49 posted on 11/10/2011 2:35:39 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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To: hecht
I also wonder if Paterno is being scapegoated to keep the homosexual angle off the headlines

He isn't being scape-goated.

50 posted on 11/10/2011 2:36:54 PM PST by NewinTexsas
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