Posted on 11/10/2011 1:31:44 PM PST by Colofornian
Edited on 11/10/2011 1:42:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Folks, this is Joe Paterno's legacy.
E-mails jump into my inbox defending Paterno...
I won't remember what Paterno did, but what he didn't do. What he didn't do is what got him fired...
Firing Joe Paterno doesn't fix everything, but it's a great start.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Well, as mentioned in posts #77 & 87, the Grand Jury Presentment already includes JoePa's testimony...which IS evidence he knew "enough."
Therefore, it's not even a matter of "guilt by association"; it's dereliction of duty guilt by omission to do the responsible and ethical thing.
Rita, you put the focus on what Paterno knew or didn't know...when he “turned in” the info that Sunday convo (first Sunday of March 2002) he had at home with his superiors.
I find it rather odd that so many people want to reverse telescope it down to what Joe heard one Saturday and what Joe said one Sunday...that Joe somehow “did his duty” once he passed on the info to his superiors that weekend. [Talk about a vomit-inducing "doin' the bare legal minimum required" mentality when kids' lives are @ stake!]
I'm not sure about you but if I was a high school varsity coach...
...and my credible frosh coach came to me one Sat a.m.
...telling me he saw the local sports writer the night before kill someone in the lockerroom showers & then dispose of the evidence, including the body...
...for some reason, I don't think anybody would later be “satisfied” if I told them...
...”Hey, I did my civic duty...I told my superiors about it on Sunday and then forgot about it for the rest of my life.”
Just “fill-in-the-blank” of your own felony parallel on school property if you don't want to think about murder. I'd say child rape is about right up there...especially since Jesus said anyone who offended little ones – it'd be better if a millstone was tied around their neck & then dropped in the sea (Matthew 18).
So your apparent assumptions – and others' assumptions – that Paterno had no ethical responsibility to...
...clarify what McQueary originally told him in ensuing conversations -- IOW to clarify what he witnessed...
...use his considerable influence to ensure the victim or potential other victims be protected.
...are actually pretty sickening and repulsive.
You see, from that point in early March 2002, McQueary advanced under Paterno from grad asst to wide receivers coach and head of recruiting. What? People don't think all the intervening years from that first Saturday in March that Paterno couldn't have "clarified" with McQueary what he saw that night??? [This is part of what I mean by “telescoping” – reducing the ops of communication that Paterno and McQueary had or could have had at either person's initiative]
It's the obvious reality of this consideration alone that makes it so plain that when people deify a personality, they will go to ANY and ALL lengths to deceive, parse, obscure, and justify the unjustifiable inactions of people they place too high on their pedestal!
And the ops for clarifying communication wasn't just from McQueary--->Paterno over the years. It goes the other way, too: Paterno was a “god” figure to so many. If he had said “jump” – people would say “how high?” He could have used his considerable influence to encourage McQueary to go to the authorities once he realized his superiors had stonewalled it.
I find it so interesting that so many relay the Joe Paterno personality cult in State College and say he IS State College (a god, if you will). Yet suddenly...ironically...they portray Joe as this limp-minded guy unable to even faintly pick up a phone and make a phone call...somebody who couldn't even indirectly ensure that the most subtle spark of an investigation was ignited.
Sorry, Penn State perv defenders: You CAN'T have it both ways!
A highly skilled scrambling QB can either run -- or he can't and has to lateral the ball all the time. Here we see so many laud Paterno coaching-wise as comparable to the best-running QB there is ... but lo & behold...he only chose to run the ball once -- and even then pitched it to another...only never to call his own number again.
Shame on you, Joe Paterno. Shame on your cover-up apologists in the public sphere. A god can either use his influence; or he
I’m beginning to think you’re just a pissed off Aggies fan.
Thursday, November 4, 2004
University Park, Pa. — A pair of former Penn State gridiron standouts, Jerry Sandusky and Charles Sieminski, are set to join very distinguished company with their induction into the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame.
Sandusky and Sieminski are among 14 Pennsylvania sports legends that will be inducted into the hall on Saturday, Nov. 6 at a banquet at the Sheraton Inn North in Pittsburgh.
A three-year Penn State letterman and a member of the Nittany Lions’ coaching staff for 32 years, Sandusky previously was inducted into the Washington-Greene Chapter of the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame in 1999.
Sandusky retired following the 1999 season after 32 years and 381 games on the Penn State staff. In his final game, Penn State posted a 24-0 win over Texas A&M in the 1999 Alamo Bowl, the Lions’ 20th shutout since he became defensive coordinator in 1977.
Founder of The Second Mile, a charitable organization which addresses the welfare of children, Sandusky has taken a more active role since his retirement. The Second Mile’s programs touch more than 100,000 at-risk youth annually.
Sandusky is largely responsible for Penn State earning the moniker, “Linebacker U,” with 10 of his linebackers earning first-team All-America honors: Jack Ham (1970), Charlie Zapiec (1971), John Skorupan (1972), Ed O’Neil (1973), Greg Buttle (1975), Kurt Allerman (1976), Shane Conlan (1985-86), Andre Collins (1989), LaVar Arrington (1998-99) and Brandon Short (1999).
A three-year Penn State letterman, he was a starting defensive end in 1963-65 under Coach Rip Engle. Sandusky earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in health and physical education in 1966 and 1970, respectively. A standout athlete at Washington (Pa.) High School, he graduated first in his class and served as student marshall for his college at commencement.
Sandusky was a Penn State graduate assistant in 1966 and joined the coaching staff as a full-time assistant in 1969.
Sieminski was a two-way tackle for the Nittany Lions, earning letters from 1960-62 under Engle. From Swoyerville, Pa., he earned second team All-America honors in 1962 and in ‘67 was selected to the All-Time Penn State Team by the Pittsburgh Press. Recognized as a strong blocker and tackler, Sieminski earned his bachelor’s degree in physical education in 1962. He played in the 1963 Senior Bowl.
Sieminski was drafted in the fourth round by the National Football League’s San Francisco 49ers. He played defensive tackle for six years in the NFL with San Francisco, Atlanta and Detroit before starting a career as a high school teacher in Mountain Top, Pa.
Among the other Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame inductees are gridiron standouts Bud Carson and Dwight White, baseball players Ken Griffey, Sr, and Mark Gubicza and wrestling legend Bruce Baumgartner.
According to former players (in the mid 2000s), when there were discipline issues on the Penn State team such as breaking team rules or whatever, they were sent to volunteer at the Second Mile foundation to work off their misdeeds. Sandusky was at practices, and he continued to bring children to campus.
OK...use some common sense here.
You're a head college football coach whose has been at it for 33 years. Your defensive coordinator is only 55 and has been rated as THE top defensive coach in the country.
You hear some "rumblings" about some possible legal issues of this coach re: his treatment of kids. He suddenly retires the ensuing June.
What? No wonderment from you as to why this top defensive coach wouldn't at least consider offers to coach elsewhere -- either as a defensive coach or perhaps get a head coaching job he's always wanted?
I mean it's not like this guy who's been your sidekick for so long suddenly stops popping up around campus. Actually he shows up as frequently as LAST WEEK!
But. Back to the Summer of 1999 --> 2000. Why aren't other schools pursuing him? He's only 55.
You're telling us...
...that the "all-powerful" JoePa in the prime of his coaching career...
...the one who is not only omnipotent @ Penn State but could be as omniscient @ State College as he wanted to be...
...isn't the least bit interested in why his asst isn't moving on to another position elsewhere???
And, even more incredulous, that the omniscient god of State College wouldn't have heard more "details" about those "rumblings."
Just stop.
Please.
You posters need to stop treating him like a god...
Either stop glorifying him as an unsinnable god...
...or if you're going to deify him, at least have the common courtesy to accord him such actual divine attributes...don't run it both ways and assume that this all-powerful man heard no evil, saw no evil, smelled no evil...etc.
You wind up dumbing down the whole word "god" by doing that!
1999:
Sandusky recently was named an Alumni Fellow in the College of Health and Human Development in recognition of his career achievements. Since the program began in 1973, there have been approximately 300 such awards made University-wide. It is considered the highest honor bestowed by the Alumni Association.
Sounds like whomever runs the Penn Sports Hall of Fame is complicit in the rape of young boys.
Actually, it's means you did a GREAT job with your post...
'Cause it showed you played the role so well it was like you were in true apologist skin!!!
No. I am an Alabama and Florida fan. No reason to be pissed off. Joe always provides a decent team for us to practice against.
STATE COLLEGE, Pa., June 14, 1999 — Defensive Coordinator Jerry Sandusky, largely responsible for Penn State earning the tag, “Linebacker U.,” will be inducted into the Washington-Greene County Chapter of the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame during a ceremony on Friday, June 18.
Also slated for induction is former Nittany Lion Guy Montecalvo, the head football coach at Washington (Pa.) High School.
During Sandusky’s 31 years on the Penn State coaching staff, the Lions have won nearly 80 percent of their games and earned 28 bowl invitations. As the linebackers coach, Sandusky has guided nine first-team All-America linebackers, the most recent being LaVar Arrington in 1998. Among some of the other more notable linebackers Sandusky has coached are: Jack Ham, Greg Buttle, Ed O’Neil, Shane Conlan and Andre Collins.
A native of Washington, Pa., Sandusky has been associated with Penn State football almost continuously since he arrived as a student-athlete at the university in 1962. He was a starting defensive end for the Lions from 1963-65. Following his graduation in 1966, he had one-year coaching stints at Juniata College and Boston University before returning to Penn State as an assistant coach in 1969. In 1977, he was promoted to defensive coordinator.
Sandusky is the founder of the Second Mile, a charitable organization concerned with the welfare of young people throughout Pennsylvania, with more than 100,000 children being touched through the Second Mile’s eight programs. His efforts with the organization resulted in his selection as the Pennsylvania winner of the SGMA Heroes award in 1996.
Sandusky was also awarded Penn State’s Barash Human Services Award, the YMCA’s Service-To-Youth Award and the Human Rights Award, presented by the Washington, Pa., branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to Jerry and his father, Art, in 1993.
The ceremonies honoring Sandusky and Montecalvo will be held in Washington, Pa., at the Holiday Inn at the Meadowlands, with a reception on Thursday and the induction on Friday
Imagine if Joe had stood up like a man in 1999 and stopped all of this. How many boys (20, 30, 40 , 50 ... hundreds?) would he have saved from being raped?
That will come out.
Mark Madden a radio talk show host has speculated the same we have...
They told Sandusky he would be punished for his indescretions by taking away his "in the wings" role as heir-apparent to Paterno...+ mandated he retire...not go somewhere else...but retire at age 55.
The problem there was -- that although they had the "goods" on him to keep him from coaching @ another university, from then on he had the "goods" on Penn State that would keep them quiet from reporting repeat offenses they uncovered.
He could claim Penn State knew about it in '98 and failed to act.
Therefore, it all became a conspiracy of silence. A conspiracy of cowards protecting their own jobs & pension checks & "THE PROGRAM."
And please dont assume my motives for asking questions. I think Paterno is neither God nor Satan.
Joe kept him on as the defensive coordinator after he retired ...
Uh.....
OK. I’m done with all this for quite awhile. Now, the
Alamo Bowl and sending Penn State players to volunteer at the guy’s ‘Foundation’ if they were in trouble. What did they have done/do there?
I can stick a fork in this. I’m done.
Need a source on that one.
Well, my initial reaction Monday afternoon was to lump Paterno in with the A.D. & VP, too. FREEPER poster Scoutmaster pinged me with the following...and I think he's probably right:
Under 23 Pa. C.S. Section 6311, which is the Pennsylvania Child Protective Services Law, when a staff member reports abuse, the person in charge of a school or institution must notify the Department of Public Welfare by telephone and in writing within 48 hours. Joe Paterno isn't the person in charge of Penn State; his obligations to report Sadusky to legal authorities were moral and not legal.
Since then, I focused on Paterno's JOB -- not prosecuting him.
But keep in mind -- the above is the "bare minimum" for legal considerations. They don't begin to address moral and ethical obligations.
In my mind, Paterno broke NCAA bylaws...including 2.4 which mandates responsibility off the field as well as on the field. He flunked responsibility.
ESPN interviewed the head of the NCAA today. He said that AFTER the criminal investigations had been completed, they would sweep in to evaluate what ethical/NCAA bylaws had been violated.
Btw, the more serious of the two charges vs. the AD & VP is perjury -- lying to a Grand Jury.
“pension checks”
The state is liable, too?
Golden Key Honorary Membership List
Mr. Gerald Sandusky
Assistant Professor Emeritus of Physical Education
130 Grandview Road
State College, PA 16801
814-237-0257
gas4@psu.edu
Long-time defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky retired following the 1999 football season after 32 years as a member of the Penn State football coaching staff, including the last 23 as defensive coordinator.
Sandusky is the founder of The Second Mile, a charitable organization that addresses the welfare of children. The Second Mile was founded in 1977. Its mission is to challenge young people to achieve their potential by providing opportunities for them to develop life skills and self-esteem. Sandusky earned bachelor’s and master’s degrees in health and physical education in 1966 and 1970. Before joining the Penn State staff, Sandusky served as an assistant football, basketball, and track coach at Juniata College in 1967-68 and as offensive line coach at Boston University in 1968. He also was a Penn State graduate assistant in 1966, while working on his master’s degree.
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