Posted on 11/10/2011 1:31:44 PM PST by Colofornian
Edited on 11/10/2011 1:42:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Folks, this is Joe Paterno's legacy.
E-mails jump into my inbox defending Paterno...
I won't remember what Paterno did, but what he didn't do. What he didn't do is what got him fired...
Firing Joe Paterno doesn't fix everything, but it's a great start.
(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...
Could/should he have done more? Of course. He didn't and deserves whatever criticism & retribution for that alone.
Its Sandusky that needs to be fried.
I hate a pile on.
Also the perp responsible for the whitewash investigation of Micheal Mann and ClimateGate.
Well, you're just plain wrong. (As in not right)
Biblically, we have a "prime-time" example. Lot.
Surely you've heard of Sodom and Gomorrah. "San Franciscos" of ancient history.
Lot lived there.
Now what did the apostle Peter have to say about Lot's "testimony" re: Sodom:
4 For if God ...
(v. 5): did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment. (2 Peter 2:4-9)
Lot, a Sodomite resident without being a Sodomite as we have come to define the term, was righteous. Lot was "tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard."
How do you know there's not a very small remnant of the righteous living in San Francisco...enough to fulfill Abraham's bargain in Genesis that if God can find "X" # of people living in a city, He won't destroy it?
SF is still on the map...which tells me there's still a few there who not only "have a right" to speak on morality...but having experienced so much tormentable immorality...are even greater authorities on the subject.
So stop exporting such nonsense.
I think we’ll find that Joe knew what Sandusky was up to. We will find out Sandusky’s “retirement’ in 1999 was related to the incident, on campus, earlier that year with another kid. Campus police investigated and didn’t do anything. Joe didn’t do enough. In fact, Sandusky continued to have access to the football facilities until just recently.
You do have to ask how Sandusky felt so comfortable doing what he was doing at the football complex. He apparently didn’t think he would ever get turned in there. Of course, in 2002, Joe was what, 74 years old. It will be a sad final chapter to an otherwise notable career.
Your take is about like mine. I think that the then Student Assistant may have worded his reporting to Paterno entirely different from what he had to report as an older adult testifying to a grand jury as to what he saw.
I think Paterno, nine years ago at 75, had blinders on and could not fathom someone he had known for years being capable of something that he couldn’t concieve of.
My dad was old school, about 10 years older than Paterno and I remember he could not comprehend how a co-worker of his who later worked for me went off the deep end in a different manner. Dad had matured in an era where such things were more rare and where such crimianals were long gone prior to perfecting their perversion through middle age as this guy had done.
Would-have, could-have, should-have....
Bullseye! You are 100% right! But the other factor of ‘protection’ is HOLY FOOTBALL!
If this had been a professor, a student, a maintenance man UNconnected to football, this would have been reported and over years ago! It would have gotten a day or two of media coverage at most.
ANY people other than those football connected in that university would have been dealt with long ago, and it would not have been as ‘big’ a news story.
This is all about how the ‘unfortunate incident’ will affect the football team and reputation.
The fact that sex( of any kind) is ‘no big deal’ helped, and CYA re. jobs(perhaps not otherwise) is also a factor.
But my question is , how ‘normal’ is this in our universities, especially in athletic programs??
Is the ‘star’ factor of football being used as a lure for young boys? Are parents trusting their kids to strange men because they are ‘famous’ names in football? Looks like it to me!
I do believe other universities and athletic programs need to be investigated. One ‘big name’ getting away with this for so long tells me that the same opportunities-and excuses- are being made for many others.
And the national SICK obsession that puts football above every other aspect of life is the reason these men got away with all of this!
I wouldn’t report this to ‘campus’ police,, but to the REAL police. This is not something to stay ‘internal’.
I just don’t want to think Paterno knew, and see no evidence, yet, that he did know anything more than what he dutifully reported. Tunnel vision of coaching at 85 seems enough reason to think the old guy did the right thing on hear say evidence against a guy that wasn’t even employed by the university and no longer associated with the coach. What was Sandusky doing for a program anyway that would even be allowed on a university campus? I don’t really get it all yet. I am just sorry for the victims, and can’t yet make the leap on Paterno’s guilt by association. Maybe later.
The grad student was 28 years old.
I am 28 years old. If I saw an adult man raping a young boy I would damn well not walk away and call my father.
If someone came to me and reported someone I worked with was being inappropriate with a kid, I’d ask for specifics, too. Both grad student and coach were massively at fault there.
That is correct. The perp was run off campus. Paterno himself did not witness anything and dutifully passed on everything reported to him in a timely and proper manner.
I'm sure he wishes he had done more, but he's old school, respected the chain of command and trusted his superiors to do the right thing as he was supposed to do.
Joe Pa was turned into a fall guy because Graham Spanier needed company to take the heat off his politically correct effeminate ass. That's all.
If interested, you can read my supporting evidence for this opinion here.
Dig a little further under this pile on and I think you will find people who hate Paterno because of his politics, his religion or both.
“Legally, his rear end is covered.”
Then, there is a fundamental flaw in our legal system.
The Law is an ass.
This could go way back.
Guess that explains why he was in his office on campus...ONE WEEK AGO.
What Joe Paterno did at worst was turn a blind eye to what was happening around him. This is much less than Lot did, who offered his daughters to the Sodomites.
IF Scott Ostler has commented and condemned the immorality of his home city, then maybe he can comment on the PSU situation. However, the fact that he is still there after all these many years is prima facie that he has not.
You are both right.
But through the eyes if a guy who was in his mid 70's at the time, I still have to give the benefit of the doubt to Joe Paterno.
My feelings are far less charitable to the 28 year old grad student who personally witnessed the outrage. Particularly a strong young football player who was certainly physically able to stop it. My feelings might be different if he was the nerdy team statistician with horn-rimmed glasses.
” I hate a pile on.”
Ironic choice of words!
I would say the kids raped in this homosexual ‘athletic’ activity hated pile-on’s too!
Evil protects evil. Homosexuals protecting each other is what this is bout. And being an ‘icon’ only gives you that much more ability to protect-yourself and others.
So you consider Paterno less guilty because of his icon status, his advanced age, his position of power?
Being in charge means you’re responsible.
To allow a child rapist in your employ, and presence, means you give tacit approval to his actions- and that you care more about him( and your own hide) than you do the children he preyed on USING your University and athletic program!
Well, look, I hate the lasting smell of “guilt by association”, and always have. The tone of this SF reporter all huffy against only Paterno when no one there, or here, knows for sure that Paterno knew squat about every jot and tittle of campus gossip on Sandusky.
I can back off defending Paterno when I hear the evidence that he actually knew more than he turned in, or covered up for the creep, but there is absolutely none yet. Sheesh. The guy is cannon fodder old and can’t possibly be up to both coaching Penn State, ramroding investigations into a guy who wasn’t even employed there, and orchestrating cover ups. A bridge too far at this early point in the story.
Is that the Office of Service for Perv Donors?
The perp was “run off campus,” but what were Paterno and the school thinking? Just don’t do it here?
I love Joe. This is hard.
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