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Resurrection of a Stereo System
11.11.11 | The Famous chickensoup

Posted on 11/10/2011 2:08:42 PM PST by Chickensoup

Hello,

After twelve years, I am resurrecting a stereo component systen that has been dormant and in a cabinet. I need to purchase speakers, hopefully white. Do you have any recommendations?

I got the tuner to work, and the six disc cd player. The tape deck is working but wont speak to the tuner. My focus is speakers. they are the wire kind that connect up in the back with little red and black twisties.


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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Don’t waste your money on a new set of speakers,
You get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers.


51 posted on 11/10/2011 3:28:56 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: Chickensoup

Well before you buy speakers you should get the specs on the amp in the turner then match the speakers to that. Could be that $50 pair from Radio Shack would work fine if the amp is not a good one. But if the amp is a good powerful one then you will need an expensive top of the line speakers. So first find out what the amp needs to make the sound, sound good.


52 posted on 11/10/2011 3:31:38 PM PST by jpsb
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To: PUGACHEV

No, I was referring to Cerwin-Vega being owned by Stanton.


53 posted on 11/10/2011 3:31:38 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: murron
Bose are supposed to be pretty good but I can’t say how they connect to the stereo.

Bose are small and are marketed very well. But as speakers they're pretty lame and overpriced. The slogan among audiophiles is "No highs, no lows, it must be Bose."

54 posted on 11/10/2011 3:31:38 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Chickensoup; All

I recall a technical detail about the characteristic impedance of the amplifier being required to match the characteristic impedance of the speakers. That’s usually expressed in Ohms, I believe. Might want to consider that before you blow an amplifier or a speaker.


55 posted on 11/10/2011 3:31:43 PM PST by davisfh
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To: Las Vegas Ron; Chickensoup

Those 3 are good for for their price.


56 posted on 11/10/2011 3:33:35 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: Chickensoup

If your “tuner” is really a receiver, you may have to engage the “tape monitor” switch to listen to your tapes.

Try ebay, search for white speakers, lots come up.


57 posted on 11/10/2011 3:33:43 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: davisfh

I recall a measurement in Watts, along the idea of a 350 watt amp needing 500 watt speakers, just to be safe.


58 posted on 11/10/2011 3:37:02 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: NCDave
Had my 21 year old Dahlquist 12 speakers refoamed. Great sound, should be good for another decade or two.
59 posted on 11/10/2011 3:39:20 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o

Good deal. It`s the best way to go if you liked them before...It`s like falling in love again..


60 posted on 11/10/2011 3:44:15 PM PST by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: Cyber Liberty

What a nice offer. I will continue to look. Take care.


61 posted on 11/10/2011 3:47:09 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Kenny500c

If your “tuner” is really a receiver, you may have to engage the “tape monitor” switch to listen to your tapes.

I did still not working. I think that I am just not doing something right. I think this happened before and I jusst have to push the right combination of buttons.

Why I am allowed near electronic equipment...??


62 posted on 11/10/2011 3:49:44 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

Check out RTR speakers. I think they are still made. I have a set of vintage 1978 speakers that still work good. I have them connected to my same vintage Yamaha receiver in my garage. Both are bullet proof. They sure don’t make em like they used to! The Yamaha receiver is all analog and made out of real materials. The speakers are probably 30 lbs each anyhow.


63 posted on 11/10/2011 3:49:46 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: davisfh

I recall a technical detail about the characteristic impedance of the amplifier being required to match the characteristic impedance of the speakers. That’s usually expressed in Ohms, I believe. Might want to consider that before you blow an amplifier or a speaker.

______________________

Ooooohhhh my.
Thank you.
That was the detail I was missing.


64 posted on 11/10/2011 3:52:00 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: davisfh

I am on Amazon. Is what I am looking for a subwoofer?

Although I cannot imagine what a dog in the basement has to do with sounds systems.


65 posted on 11/10/2011 3:54:45 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

Check your cables, it’s easy to mix up the rec/play, in/out.


66 posted on 11/10/2011 3:57:41 PM PST by Kenny500c
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To: Chickensoup

Check your cables. The tape deck output should be going to the “tape input” on your receiver. Check your settings. My old Yamaha has two selectors. One for choosing what you listen to “Output.” It has another slector that is called “Rec. Out” that sends the audio signal to the device you want to record from/to.


67 posted on 11/10/2011 3:58:15 PM PST by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Chickensoup

Yes, 8 ohm and 4 ohm are the most common. You must match.


68 posted on 11/10/2011 4:07:53 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Chickensoup

If you’re in Maine.

Craigslist - electronics - KLH (I happen to like old KLH speakers, they are really good, and also cheap these days)

http://maine.craigslist.org/ele/2656595928.html

that particular listing looks good.

also try ebay - and do a search for something close to you.


69 posted on 11/10/2011 4:11:40 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Then my second choice would be Yamaha speakers.


70 posted on 11/10/2011 4:14:24 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: truthfreedom

Just emailed for more info, thanks.


71 posted on 11/10/2011 4:18:18 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: murron
Bose are supposed to be pretty good

"No highs, no lows....it must be Bose!"

After a lifetime in the 'biz' (since 1972) I can assure you that no serious audio affectionato has ever spent a dime on Bose speakers. (if they win a pair, they give them to their sister)

Absolutely horrible, they are.

72 posted on 11/10/2011 4:20:47 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Cyber Liberty

I have 40 year old KLH Model 6s which sound great.

Old but great speakers are available for cheap.

Old speakers are better than new.


73 posted on 11/10/2011 4:24:12 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: eddie willers

Thanks for the heads-up. I bought an inexpensive pair for my computer, and they sound OK but nothing to brag about.


74 posted on 11/10/2011 4:28:19 PM PST by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Chickensoup

bookmark


75 posted on 11/10/2011 4:29:37 PM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
I should have waited until I got to your post, but I just couldn't help jumping immediately in.

I don't mind if someone "pays too much" for something (say a Rolls over a Mercedes) because, though I may think they could have gotten a better "value", they do get something that is, nevertheless, better.

However, that breaks down in the case with Bose speakers. Not only are they usually twice as much as competing products, but also intrinsically inferior on any basis you choose.

76 posted on 11/10/2011 4:48:47 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: Chickensoup

A little more info would really help narrowing down the field (there are literally thousands of speaker models out there!).

What kinds of music do you listen to, and how loud?

Size of the room in which you’d be placing them? And is the room heavily damped (lots of absorptive things, like cushy furniture, bookcases, carpeting, etc.) or lively (reflective, with lots of glass, concrete, tile, etc.)?

Output wattage of the amplifier driving the speakers?

How much room can the speakers take up physically - in generally increasing size order, minis, bookshelf, stand-mounted, floorstanders? And can you space them so they’re away from the walls?

Do they need to be shielded due to proximity to a CRT-type TV?

What’s your intended MAX budget?

How important is it that they be white, and does it matter if they’re finished in wood or metal?

What speakers have you heard in the last couple of years that really impressed you?

Are you a fussy listener, or not overly critical?

The white speaker issue might be one of the most limiting things - off the top of my head, the first things that come to mind are Axiom, Cabasse, Canton, Gale, and Radio Shack (don’t laugh - the RS Minimus-7 speakers can be very good with a little modification, swapping out the electrolytic cap in the crossover with a film cap, and they’ll outshine junk from Bose and the like every day of the week).
There are a lot of white-finished ‘decorator’ speakers sold for home theater use, but unfortunately most of them are as awful as can be.

Welcome back to the audio world! And in case you haven’t kept up, know now that all audiophiles are flat out craaaaaaazy. :-) We’ll get you step-by-step...first with the speakers, then a couple of innocuous upgrades here and there...and soon you’ll be forking over your paycheck to the local pusher, er, I mean, dealer. When you move up to tubes and vinyl, hold on to your hat!


77 posted on 11/10/2011 4:48:46 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad
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To: Chickensoup

NEWS/ACTIVISM???


78 posted on 11/10/2011 4:51:58 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

” When you move up to tubes and vinyl, hold on to your hat! “

Glad you broke the ice - I was afraid of showing my age with my thought on the subject —

It ain’t a ‘system’ if it don’t have a turntable, and it ain’t ‘stereo’ unless the amplifier is home-built.. (Kits okay for beginners...)

;)


79 posted on 11/10/2011 4:54:19 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: eddie willers

My big birthday present to myself last year was a new Arcam FMJ amp to replace my dying old Denon receiver and a pair of Dali Mentor 2 speakers to replace the Bose system I bought before I knew any better. Now I’m shopping for a sub $1000 DAC to run my digital music files through.


80 posted on 11/10/2011 4:59:49 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

There is no Minimus-7 at the Radio Shack website.

I listen to classical, medieval, musicals, crooners, and jazz for the most part.

It is about a 20 by 16 room but opens into other areas not heavily damped (what’s a curtain?)

I think bookshelf size.

How far from the walls? six inches, two feet?

No Tv

I was hoping about 200.

I am trying to regain the music in my life. I have been listening to a $50 sound system the kids bought me from Mart-mart or Targmart or someplace like that.

I just want to listen to beautiful music and not have it blur. i love components and how they work. the music seems somewhat more substantial in a nice component system. After I buy the TV, I am going to upgrade the components although I dont think the cd player needs upgrade. it is a 6 slot Pioneer PDM 426 which replaced the sony carousel that died years ago.

Thank you.


81 posted on 11/10/2011 5:08:27 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: proxy_user

I haven’t been over at audiokarma in a while, but I’m a member.


82 posted on 11/10/2011 5:12:36 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Ransomed

I would say that

1) use craigslist to determine what is available in the area

then

2) go to audiokarma to determine what the experts say about the speakers that are available in the area.


83 posted on 11/10/2011 5:16:46 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Misterioso
NEWS/ACTIVISM???

_______________________

MISCELLANEOUS News/Activism and it is very miscellaeous.

84 posted on 11/10/2011 5:26:27 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: truthfreedom

I think that sounds like a plan!

Freegards


85 posted on 11/10/2011 5:42:33 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: Las Vegas Ron

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TL2W/Polk-Audio-Blackstone-TL2-White.html?tp=186&avf=N

The man is recommending these.

What do you think?


86 posted on 11/10/2011 5:51:20 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: truthfreedom

thank you


87 posted on 11/10/2011 5:55:24 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup
You cannot go wrong with Polk, they make excellent quality and give you good sound for whatever amount of money you're willing to spend.

If you are going to use this for a main system, I'd recommend a sub woofer to go with the speakers. But make sure first your amplifier/tuner will be compatible!

Take a look here, these wouldn't require a sub woofer:

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-u9BKgI4eFTf/g_37900/Bookshelf-Speakers.html

I know they're not white but...Whatever you do, take your time, there are a lot of options out there!

88 posted on 11/10/2011 6:01:22 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: truthfreedom

http://maine.craigslist.org/ele/2679349276.html

Big ol Pioneers $30.

I’m in Maine, and at least in my part of Maine, there really aren’t any goodwill / salvation army stores with good selections. I have been in those stores, and I have looked for old speakers. The selection is weak.

Back in the day, the Miles Rummage Sale in Damariscotta was the place to go for used speakers. I got a lot of good speakers there. Really, really cheap. But the Miles Rummage sale is gone. So, getting old speakers in Maine isn’t easy.

I would probably go to a 2 stage buying process.

I’d buy those $30 Pioneers. $30 is not a lot of money. And you might love them. Over and done. But you’ll probably want to upgrade. There won’t be any pressing need to do so, because you have adequate speakers. But keep watching for a great deal on classic speakers. Keep watching craigslist for a KLH model 6, a KLH model 17, someone mentioned a Dynaco. A Large Advent. An old AR. And get them for a great price.

I got 2 pair of KLH model 6s, from Craigslist, in Maine, for less than $50. The deals are there.

There are people selling on Craigslist who really want, and need money.

There are people selling on Craigslist who want to get rid of stuff they have.


89 posted on 11/10/2011 6:10:04 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Las Vegas Ron

thank you


90 posted on 11/10/2011 6:34:39 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

Sorry, I should have mentioned that the Minimus-7 isn’t a current-production speaker; RS stopped making them a few years ago. They’re often found on Ebay - there’s a pair in white listed there now, starting bid $20. Given the size of the room, though, the tiny Minimuses (Minimi?) would be too little speaker to fill the space.

Not listing rock, rap, etc. as your preferred music gives you a lot more flexibility, though - you don’t need something that’s going to whomp out The Who at 110dB.

Your max price puts you square into the vintage speaker market, like Acoustic Research, EPI, Boston Acoustics, ADS, Advent, Wharfdale, Celestion, and so on. BUT that’s a tricky market. Most speakers, being mechanical devices, have a limited lifetime before parts have to be repaired/replaced; the surrounds and cones dry out, crack, separate, etc., and the components in the crossovers are often way out of spec simply due to age. If you buy speakers and then have to have them refurbed, that would add dramatically to the cost.

So you should be looking at speakers that are, at most, 9-to-10 years old, unless you know what you’re doing and can fix them yourself. Forget about new speakers; about the cheapest decent new speaker on the market is the PSB Alpha (and yeah, they’re pretty good), but you’d have to stretch your budget to about $300 to buy them retail. A lot of decent speakers have been mentioned in the thread; if you can find a nice pair in good condition (which means being able to see/hear them for yourself before purchasing), then take a shot.

Don’t forget to visit your local audio dealers. There are fewer today than years ago, but they still exist - and since few people become audio dealers with dreams of making millions, they’re likely to share your love of music and care about reproducing it well. Many dealers will have used/trade-in equipment in good condition, so you’re likely to find something better then your budget might otherwise allow.


91 posted on 11/10/2011 7:02:15 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad
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To: Chickensoup
MISCELLANEOUS News/Activism

{lol!}

92 posted on 11/10/2011 7:08:25 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Chickensoup
I have 21-year-old Polk speakers, connected to my tuner with Monster Cable. They still sound great! Polk is American made in Baltimore! Amazon has a nice collection of electronics at pretty decent prices, too.
93 posted on 11/10/2011 7:15:23 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Chickensoup
There's also Musicians' Friend.
94 posted on 11/10/2011 7:17:15 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Chickensoup

JBL 4350s image nicely.

95 posted on 11/10/2011 7:19:32 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Chickensoup

Ok, well, I’m looking through Maine Craigslist. I’m in Maine too, so, well, if I see a pair of Large Advents for $10, well I might not tell you about it, but.

Get These

http://maine.craigslist.org/ele/2690340962.html

Small, smaller than what I want. $35 in Camden.

Cost $349 new

http://www.nhthifi.com/NHT-History

This person is in Camden. This person is likely the type of person who doesn’t want to throw away expensive stereo equipment, not someone who needs to sell cheap or broken stereo equipment to survive.

The Camden person is selling a lot of good stuff for almost nothing. Also good is the Cambridge Soundworks Model 17. Cambridge Soundworks is a modern version of KLH and the Model 17 is likely a modern version of the KLY 17.

http://www.nhthifi.com/NHT-History


96 posted on 11/10/2011 7:23:20 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

I wrote him. thank you


97 posted on 11/10/2011 7:36:28 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: TrueKnightGalahad

thank you I appreciate your wisdom


98 posted on 11/10/2011 7:39:13 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Chickensoup

You’re welcome ;)


99 posted on 11/10/2011 8:21:02 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: proxy_user

I’m a member. Rarely post though. I joined a couple years ago when I bought an early ‘80s Yamaha receiver (CR640). It’s pretty much the vintage audio mecca.


100 posted on 11/10/2011 8:27:51 PM PST by Yardstick
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