Posted on 11/11/2011 6:47:52 PM PST by Hoodat
How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?
"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.
"It's just stupid youthfulness."
Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.
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Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.
What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."
"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.
"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."
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Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.
"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."
The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."
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Please convince me as to why we should consider the vigil "more representative" of the Penn State student body than the riot on Wednesday night?
Please go back and read my post again. I’m not saying the entire student body should be judged by the either the small percentage of rioters nor by the number of kids who came to the vigil. I was trying say that the 35% in the poll you quoted is not necessarily supporting pedophilia or the cover up of that crime as you inferred.
Thank you for sharing from both your expertise and your networking.
That is shocking.
It's kind of like how the abortion rate is so much higher at the expense of black pre-borns than other races.
Doesn't that make children more vulnerably targeted simply on the basis of skin color? Why is it in many urban areas that abortionists have ensured to "set up chop shop" within minority neighborhoods? Sub-cultural exploitation?
Well, that's what we have with Sandusky: Sub-cultural exploitation. Targeted by (likely income) and race and from families where no father is present.
When men abandon their children in the womb, they become prey to the abortionist.
When men abandon their children to their sexual partners & ex-wives, they become prey to predators like Sandusky.
Lancey is a Penn State grad who I've appreciated his sense of objectivity this week on various threads.
Lancey, you wrote a vanity Friday entitled If Jerry Sandusky had raped little GIRLS...
Lancey wrote: Had the 1998 witness seen Sandusky fondling or raping a 10-year-old girl rather than a little boy, and had the burly 28-year-old former PSU quarterback Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky raping a 10-year-old girl, there would have been no running to Daddy or waiting until the next day to tell somebody about it. There would have been no hesitation about what to do. There would have been no reluctance to point the finger and condemn Sandusky as a pedophile. At the very core of Penn State's ruinous scandal, homosexuality is the elephant in the room - - homosexuality and the political correctness that comes with it. Regular old pedophilia is easy to get publicly outraged about. Even the suspicion of regular old pedophilia elicits menacing sneers at the accused. But little boys? Well, that's different. That's a homosexual thing...
I think Lancey that what Treeless Branch has shared offers yet another angle to what you wrote.
For example, what if simply shifted your comments above based upon the race of most of these victims and wrote?
Had the 1998 witness seen Sandusky fondling or raping a 10-year-old white girl or boy rather than a little black boy, and had the burly 28-year-old former PSU quarterback Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky raping a 10-year-old girl, there would have been no running to Daddy or waiting until the next day to tell somebody about it. There would have been no hesitation about what to do. There would have been no reluctance to point the finger and condemn Sandusky as a pedophile. At the very core of Penn State's ruinous scandal, perhaps racism and possibly to some degree homosexuality is the elephant in the room - - racism, homosexuality and the political correctness that comes with it. Regular old pedophilia is easy to get publicly outraged about. Even the suspicion of regular old pedophilia elicits menacing sneers at the accused. But little black boys? Well, that's different. That's a racist and homosexual thing...
Oh, how I wish the focus was not becoming this clear...because what I am sensing here is that these white admins & white coaches may have "put up" with not intervening on behalf of the victims because the victims they knew of were black. They were deemed "expendable" -- especially in light of the alternative...
...Scandalizing the glory of the Penn State football team.
How can pedophilia get even worse?
#1 When its practice becomes institutionalized
#2 When child-victims of their rapists are ignored because their race deems them even more expendable than say, white victims.
Wow! Heart-breaking!!!! this week in which you mentioned
Heartbreaking indeed. How this story cannot bring strong feelings of rage and disgust and sadness is beyond me. And I think u are right that the underlying culture that places no value on young boys played at least some role in McQueery walking away from the rape where, as he describes it, HE LOOKED INTO THE EYES of both the victim and Sandusky as it was happening.
If anything this story should give us all pause to be vigilant for spotting evil and then doing something to stop it.
Every organization or community has its share of immoral, unethical, or even criminal people. This includes conservatives, Republicans, perhaps even Freepers. For the good people of these communities, these others and their actions cause feelings of shame and ambivalence. But should we blame or hold responsible the decent members of these groups for the actions of a few? Of course not.
I believe that many posters here are simply using this scandal as a means to vent their overall disgust with secular society. Have fun with that. Meanwhile, Penn State will move ahead and recover.
Blane the board of directors for this mess. They mishandled everything from not having Sandusky charged when it was reported right down to firing Paterno over the phone.
Yes, in fact they are. University Park is its own town with its own zipcode, its own post office, and its own police force.
What 'facts'?
I keep reading about LITTLE boys and CHILDREN, but have YET to see any data that tells the AGE of these folks at the time of the 'crime' in question.
They said that all but two of Sandusky’s victims are black.
A LOT of hearsay is going on!
We live in a world FILLED with SuperHeros! who defend the innocent and destroy the Evil Ones!
(We now expect EVERYONE to be that way.)
Hearsay!!! Hearsay is defined as out of court statements. The grand jury testimony is not hearsay.
You haven’t read the grand jury report, hvae you?
I think she at least needs to be investigated...considering the alleged call she made to one of the victim's prior to his GJ testimony.
You’re living in a world of blind ignorance and blind hate. I do not know if Paterno knew anything in 1998. The grand jury report never mentioned anything about Paterno knowing and in fact the general consensus I got from reading that report was that it was in fact buried from quite a few people, Paterno included. Is it possible that Paterno knew? He may have known the outcome of the investigation (no criminal charges) and what it was about, and that would explain why Sandusky’s tenure was cut short. We know now that that investigation was bungled and handled poorly. There is no reason to believe that details of an investigation are shared with a football coach because that’s simply not how the law works.
Barry Switzer is one of two people Paterno has ever said anything that can be construed as negative about. Barry Switzer knows nothing about Penn State and has long had an ax to grind. Barry Switzer, like you and others here, keep saying that people “KNEW” (I love how the caps lock key is broken on this point) when there is no evidence that people knew. Sandusky may not have been able to hide the fact that he was investigated for being a homosexual predator in 1998. However, HE WAS NOT CHARGED. Even if we assume that EVERYBODY KNEW the details of that, they CANNOT act as though he was charged with a crime, tried, and convicted. In fact the actions of everybody involved are consistent with those of somebody who suspects something and does not want the potential disaster involved with employing Sandusky. There is a HUGE difference between suspecting something is definitely wrong with somebody and having absolute ironclad proof (as did McQueary) that knowing that personal is a child rapist.
Do not parse words. You should know what I’m saying when I say something. I know what McQueary says he saw and I know what Paterno and others say they were told. I am not changing or spinning anything. The point is I wasn’t there and neither were you so all we can do is take the testimony of those involved and make an assumption. I was not quoting when I said “something” - I was pointing out that Paterno repeatedly denied being told it was forcible sodomy.
I have repeatedly stated that the witness to the felony had the responsibility to follow up. Check my post history if you’re capable of figuring out how. I have never said that it didn’t warrant follow-up. It does NOT warrant follow-up by somebody who didn’t witness the attack and already reported it to the proper authorities. After Paterno put McQueary in touch with Schultz, he can’t “follow up” because he was not a witness. I don’t know why I need to keep saying this. People should be (and hopefully will be) going to jail for failing to identify the victim and failing to press charges given eyewitness evidence. This does NOT include Paterno.
I refuse to give any weight to the argument that Paterno should have used his perceived power to force an investigation. Police don’t start investigations on hearsay just because they come from a famous figure. The law works the same way for Paterno as it does for anybody else. He’s a football coach with no more or less expertise on legal and moral matters than anybody else.
It may be found that Paterno did in fact know. I will not assume that this is the case when following a three year grand jury investigation no fault was found in Paterno. I do not, as does nearly every asshole with a keyboard from sports writers to message board posters, believe that Paterno should’ve been held to some ridiculously all-powerful standard when he wasn’t a witness to a crime. Many of the same people like Mark Madden and Ron Bracken have long been claiming that Paterno is a doddering old fool who doesn’t belong on the football field. That is, when it suits their agenda. Now, when it suits their agenda, he’s an evil genius mastermind that not only knows everything that goes on in State College - he controls it as well.
I admit that it is quite difficult to take you seriously because you clearly have no idea what the hell you’re talking about when it comes to the actual location. You’ve called it “College Station” and you’ve claimed that Paterno lives on campus. I lived there and thanks to the incompetence of dozens of people I will forever be tarnished by this. I am fortunate enough to be soon finishing my Ph.D. from another institution so maybe I can use a smaller font when I list Penn State. This makes me sick. My argument is that those who were responsible should pay, but the evidence doesn’t point to Paterno at all. It might in the future, but we live in a society governed by the rule of law and I’m not to convict a man without evidence.
Paterno stated the he didn't do enough; he knew!!
Many of the same people who have been critical of Paterno for years, calling him a doddering old fool who doesn’t know what’s going on at the actual football games, are now ascribing nearly unlimited knowledge and power to him because it suits their present agenda.
Paterno stated that “WITH THE BENEFIT OF HINDSIGHT” he wishes he had done more. This does not strike me as an admission of guilt but rather a statement of fact. It simply states that if he knew what a monster Sandusky was he would have done everything he can. I am sure those who suspected Jeffrey Dahmer was up to something feel the same way, especially the cops who initially let him go.
If Paterno did know, then he deserves everything that’s been thrown at him. I will reserve judgment on this point because a) he says he didn’t know and b) there has not been any evidence presented yet to say that he did know. It’s a simple matter of not convicting anybody, legally or morally, without evidence.
Yeah. dude. e-mail!
Here is the linked thread.
No; I have not.
Where is is posted?
Oh please. If the teacher had been a female, half of the FReeper men here would’ve been cheering the abuse on.
Society doesn’t seem to realize that boys need to be protected. Period.
Since I do not follow college ‘sports’, I had no idea who Joe was until this hit the news.
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