Skip to comments.Survivors of sexual abuse appalled by Penn State unrest
Posted on 11/11/2011 6:47:52 PM PST by Hoodat
How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?
"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.
"It's just stupid youthfulness."
Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.
Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.
What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."
"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.
"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."
Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.
"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."
The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."
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What a despicable and libelous attack on FReeper men. As they say, you are no lady.
That’s true and verifiable in the grand jury report.
Joe, I never said you or that everyone here has called for a witch hunt and I absolutely agree with what you say about equating moral culpability with legal culpability.
Sandusky, for example, is fully entitled to due process, and in a legal sense, is certainly entitled to the presumption of innocence. But as I've asked others (without any answers), would you have him come watch your children this weekend while you went out for dinner and a movie? Of course you wouldn't, even though at this point he's been found guilty of absolutely nothing.
Hell no I wouldnt!
As far as McQueary's inaction, I cant even begin to fathom it. Had I witnessed what McQueary did, I would have called the police but only after rescuing the kid and beating Sandusky within an inch of his life. In fact when I called the police Id also would have requested an ambulance and suggested they might want to bring a body bag.
Again, let me state that Im not defending Paternos inaction or the inaction of anyone who had knowledge of what was going on.
But again I will also state that there has been a lot of hyperbole. Ive recently read some posts calling for not only the football program to be ended but also for the entire university to be burned to the ground, posts suggesting that high percentage of PSU students are child molesters or support it, or are gay, are homo lovers, etc. and I think that's a rather extreme position.
Oh really? Pull up an article about a female teacher molesting a boy and read. MORE than half the comments will be from FReeper men gleefully putting 'not guilty!' and 'Why didn't *my* math teacher look like that' and 'lucky boy' and 'I'll bet he's popular now'.
You want my comment deleted?! You defend that behavior?! How in the world am I out of line for saying that our boys should be protected from predators of BOTH sexes and that men who think that it's alright for a woman to rape a boy should be condemned?
I've been on those threads and tried to talk reason to that group of perverts and all I've gotten is more disgusting comments about how 'it's different for boys' and how 'the kid is lucky'. MAYBE one or two men will agree that that statutory rape of boys is a bad thing. Occasionally a guy will admit that he was raped by a woman at that age and that it was a traumatic thing. The pervs just ignore him.
How in the world am *I* the one that's out of line here?
The mods let those disgusting comments and threads stand because I guess it's not as bad thing to molest a kid as long as it's a boy.
If FReeper males don't want to be painted with the same broad brush as the pervs, then maybe they should stand up and stop tolerating intolerable behavior. Otherwise they're no better than the man who walked in on the rape of that boy and just closed the door.
I know from experience that the pervs just chuckle when a woman tries to tell them that they're out of line. They don't listen. If a group of strong males stood up to them and told them to knock it off, it might have an effect. As it stands, your silence is acquiescence.
As long as a hundred men stay silent while a dozen act like apes, the silent ones will be lumped in with the apes. It's not reasonable to expect women to control an unruly group of men. And it's irresponsible for good men not to.
I am standing up against intolerable behavior, yours. You have accused half the men on FR of cheering on female molesters of young boys. No proof, no cites, nothing. Slimers like you are quite common on sites like DU, but the libelous spewing of your foul bile is not appreciated on FR.
You have been a member of FR since 2003 and you actually have the nerve to ask me to cite my sources? You’re telling me that you haven’t seen ONE thread about a female teacher molesting a teenage boy?
I call BS on that one.
Here. Let me do your research for you:
It took me less than a minute to find this one. Here are some fine FReeper men:
“I was born too soon.
“40 my a$$. Not guilty - probation before trial. Possible parole.”
“Actually, its Craig Fergusons fault for evoking the naughty librarian line. :)”
“Teen boys are so lucky today. My son is 13 and I cant wait for parent teacher conferences.....lol. /sarc. (sorta). I might even have to tell my wife that I have this meeting....”
“The gym teacher accused of having sex hundreds of times with a student over two years when he was 15 broke down as she told a court the allegations have ruined her life. - What a pansy. I would be embarrassed if I was his father. How disgusting. Blaming his ruined life over this gorgeous women.....tragic.”
“Id hit it, and so would Laz”
“She did him several hundred times in two years? Scarred for life, poor kid, since no woman in his future can ever match that record.”
“Another day, another naughty teacher scandal.”
The majority of the people who spoke against this were WOMEN.
Next article... (tool me another ten seconds to find this one after the first)
See, THIS one was unattractive... so the FReeper males decided she was ‘guilty’. Lots of ‘yucks’ about this child molester. Not a lot of sincere sympathy about the kid she screwed up for life... but then, he IS a boy. Obviously he’ll be fine. Apparently boys don’t have feelings like girls do.
Here’s another one:
(on an oral sex reference) “That is kinda hard to swallow”
“Damn, #2 and #3 are about as homely as they get. And homely is putting it kindly.
“Good news for the students in question is that they will never be serviced by uglier women.”
“Swell. I’m sure the boys had fun no matter what they told police.”
“Well, she *was* the biology teacher.......”
“Here on the Potomac River we say, any port in a storm. LMAO.”
It goes on. One FReeper (PieterCasparzen) quoted a bible passage. He’s the only one who spoke up.
“Im beginning to think that I went to the wrong schools”
“I saw a bigger copy of the picture earlier. The bigger pic showed a harpoon sticking out of her back.”
(after a dozen ‘fat chick’ and ‘whale’ comments) “Dammit you guys , little fat girls need luvin too!”
(Isabel speaks out against the rape of boys in post #32) “I’m sure you went to the right schools. Proof is that you’re not psychologically messed up. Many boys who get sexually involved with one of their female teachers start to suffer from psychological problems afterward. “
(the response?) “from having to explain that permanent smile on their face? from having larangitis as a result of bragging rights all their lives?”
The bulk of this tread was about how fat the molester was. Other than Isabel’s comment, NOBODY else spoke out for this boy.
If you need more, I can keep going. That only took us to June of this year.
EVERY thread regarding a grown woman molesting a boy runs this way.
As a woman, what am I to think about the quality of the majority of the men who frequent this website?
Here’s one of a MAN doing the same things...
Oh, he’s an evil b@$tard and should be strung up by his whoo-ha.
But here’s a women molesting another boy...
And it’s perfectly FINE!
Why, according to one poster, a 17 year old boy CAN’T be taken advantage of sexually. (So if a gay teacher has sex with a 17 year old buy, that’s OK? He just said that they had good judgement and couldn’t be taken advantage of sexually...?)
Let me let you in on a little secret, Prokopton...
Sexual predators of BOTh sexes do it for the same reason. They want POWER over their victim.
Male sexual predators use seduction as their tool of choice. Females use seduction and manipulation.
forget the sex for a minute. Think about the mind games.
Young men who’re messed with by grown woman get screwed up. Some of them never again trust or they just plain hate women. They can feel horrible feel guilty and suicidal. The molestation can stunt their ability to develop decent relationships. They can develop unhealthy sexual appetites.
ANY time an adult takes advantage of a child who’s brain isn’t mature enough to deal with the ramifications of a sexual relationship, IT IS WRONG.
He may be just fine fooling around with his same-age girlfriend in the backseat of a car, but the same kid may be really messed up by the mind games of a manipulative woman more than twice his age.
Half of the posts you cite are not approving of the sexual abuse but commenting on the looks of the female teacher. Out of 125 posts, there were about a dozen questionable posts from FReepers who didn't object to sex between a young teacher and a 15 year old boy. Manny of these posts were by the same person, one of whom was a woman. So you have about 8 Freepers who do not take sex between a pretty, young female teacher and a 15 year old boy as seriously as you do. There are about 250,000 registered users of FreeRepublic, lets just say 125,000 men. So from a thread with about 8 FReepers you think are "cheering" sexual abuse of young men by females you exterpolate that half Freeper men would be cheering on if the Penn State coach was a female raping the ten year old boy.
Your logic is sick and you owe an apology to male Freepers, the vast majority who are against sexual abuse of children, male or female.
They don't have their own court system where they try people for felony crimes-do they?
The boy who the man molested was 11 years old, the boy the women had sex with was 17 years old, the age of consent in that state, MN, being 16. Are you saying you can't see a difference?
Let me put it this way.
A man rapes a girl repeatedly, over many years.
We post a thread of the article, detailing the rapes and post a picture of the rapist.
Half the comments by the FReeperettes are about the man’s appearance. If he’s attractive, he get’s a hearty ‘not guilty!’
In thread after thread, you see the same trend. All the women care about is how cute the rapist is. The cuter the rapist is, the more the girl should be grateful that she was raped.
For years, you look for good FReeper women to step up and tell these sorry women to knock it off. On each thread, there’s one MAN saying, ‘this is not good. women don’t like to be raped.’ Every few threads a woman will step in and say that the rape is not good, but she’s quickly mocked down.
At what point would you be disgusted by FReeper women?
Insult me again, if you must. But if you want to change my mind, you’ll start speaking up and fighting against child rape - no matter what the sex of the child or the offender.
One more thing: I couldn’t quite figure out what it was about your posts that got to me the most. It finally hit me. It’s the personal insults.
You tell me that I’m not a lady for defending boys against female predators and those who would promote the practice. Are you serious? How is it not ladylike to speak out against great evil?
You called me ‘sick’ and that seriously flabbergasts me.
The fact that you can read those threads and call *me* sick tells me that *you* are a very seriously twisted individual.
If you can’t see that had you flipped the sexes in the article and had the comments read the same way, it would be a Satanic thread - YOU are the one who needs help.
And I no longer have to bother myself with such a disturbed individual.
“So you have about 8 Freepers who do not take sex between a pretty, young female teacher and a 15 year old boy as seriously as you do.”
Since when is the fact that sex between an adult teacher and a child is wrong disputed?!?
On what planet??
Why is the fact that she is a pretty rapist even a factor? Ted Bundy was considered quite handsome!
Are you insane?!
Child rape is wrong. Period.
OK. Just to clear this up.
A gay man has sex with a boy o his 17th birthday and you are alright with that.
good to know.
A few maybe but not many. Certainly no where near half.
You are a liar.
Sexual predators of BOTh sexes do it for the same reason. They want POWER over their victim.
Let me let you in on a little secret, Marie, you don't know what you're talking about.
I have personally prosecuted hundreds of cases of Felony Child Sexual Abuse, with male and female victims and male and female defendants. Power over the victim is not the only, or even most common, reason for the abuse.
Homosexuals usually do it for sex, not power. This is what sexually stimulates them so that is what they engage in. They convince themselves that it is really not hurting the child.
Some women who have sex with older boys do it because it is emotionally safer than having a sexual relation with a mature man. The boys are often eager for the sex so the relationship is fairly "easy" for the woman.
We still do not understand many of the reasons people engage in criminal sexual conduct. You are correct, however, that there is often serious and long lasting harm to the victims of both sexes.
None of this, however, relates to my original post to you. You claimed that half of male FReepers would be cheering the rape of the ten year old boy at Penn State if the rapist were a woman. You have absolutely nothing to support this and it was a scurrilous libel that you should apologize for.