Survivors of sexual abuse appalled by Penn State unrest

CNN ^ | 11 Nov 2011 | Madison Park

[Hoodat]

How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?

"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.

"It's just stupid youthfulness."

Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.

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Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.

What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."

"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.

"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."

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Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.

"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."

The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."

[SaraJohnson]

And if the police failed to act, Joe could have called the donors of the charity to warn them of what McQueary saw in that shower and tell them he was removing himself from association with the charity. He could have removed his name from the charity’s sponsor list. He could have told the boys on the football team to keep an eye on the showers just in case any monster with a name starting with S and ending with Y is raping boys in there...

[Marie]

I will apologize to you, lj, because you are civil. I believe that most men on FR aren’t alright with such things. I believe that most men on FR are good men who do not tolerate evil.

I believe this on faith. Not on evidence.

If you look at the threads, they are horrible. and they go back for years.

I guess I’m sad that more good men don’t step up and fight this evil.

How is someone supposed to judge a group when they remain silent on such a horrific issue?

Seriously, if all the sexes were reversed, how would you feel toward women after reading those threads? You’d think that the few women you knew were the ‘good ones’ but that the vast majority were dogs. So many making perverted comments. So few speaking against them.

I guess that I don’t understand how, on a conservative website, with a religious majority, these threads stand if men don’t agree with the gist. I don’t want to believe it, but I’m waiting for the backlash. For twelve years I’ve been waiting. For a purge. For deleted comments. For furious men slapping these perverts back into their place.

Where is the backlash? Where are the good men standing for what is right?

I’ve seen much less offensive threads pulled, but the female-teacher-molests-the-male-minor threads stand with the garbage comments every time.

little jeremiah, why does this happen if the majority of men are good men?? I’ve been FReeping for too many years not to see the trend. Boys are not cared for the same as girls.

I love men. I love boys. I appreciate what a strong man brings to a family, to his job and to our society. And I appreciate what it takes to create such a man.

Why would a conservative site promote an act that destroys such a man from forming? That warps his views on a healthy relationship with a good woman? The creates mistrust between the sexes? That turns a potential man into a weak victim? That castrates him emotionally? Why is this a good thing? Why is this OK?

Why are so many men alright with it and why are so many wise men silent?? Why do good men tolerate evil n their midst? Why are good men not fighting this evil? Why don’t they read these threads and taste ash in their mouths? Why don’t they put these pups in their place?

[Prokopton]

She also said that on many threads it’s “half of the comments”, and I agree with that, seen it a lot.

That's fine but you also said

"And she has not accused “half” of the men on FR."

when that's exactly what she did.

[SaraJohnson]

There are many innocent people who don’t see it because the pedophile is very sneaky, very clever and uses his/her power to conceal.

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That is exactly what happened here. The sneaky, clever pervert used his power (connections) at Penn State to cover up his crime. Those connections in this case should pay for cooperating in the cover up in their work place. Many more boys were abused because they let the pervert manipulate and dominate them. It was easier to ignore the suffering of children.

I am sorry you suffered child abuse. Some men in my extended family were raped when they were boys, too. The truth did not come out until they were adults and all screwed up. It happened in the boy scouts and the pervs want back in there bad. I’m sure you have heard the manipulative and clever ones shouting about the Boy Scouts’ “homophobia.” They had quite a National operation going in the boy scouts before they were busted up in the 80’s.

[little jeremiah]

If you read all her comments she said in one comment “half the comments” and in another “half of the men”. I already told her I disagreed that it’s half of the men, but half of the comments, often is like that.

I have no idea why you are so angry about all of this. It is a fact that many men on FR use the “adult woman molests adolescent boy” threads for randy talk and jokes. It’s a fact. It’s also evidence of the moral cess pool in our country. If you don’t like it that some people point out the moral cesspool, too bad.

[SaraJohnson]

I blame the liberals who covered up for Clinton. Yes I do. They hurt our country. On one had we were being beaten with “sexual harassment and rape is the worst thing ever” and on the other hand, when it was their guy was the worst, we learned “everybody does it; it’s all about sex.”

Liberals have hurt our people badly with all their pc witch hunt games and lies. No one trusts anyone anymore. No one can be trusted to be telling the truth.

[Marie]

Oh for the love of Pete. You ARE a lawyer! lol!

Alright. FOR THE RECORD I will state this:

If you post a thread with a female molester molesting a boy MORE THAN HALF OF THE COMMENTS ON THE THREAD WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THE MOLESTED BOY. (This is a supported fact.)

IN ADDITION:

I do believe that IT IS TELLING that more good men don’t speak out against this evil.

MORE MEN SHOULD SHUT THIS DEPRAVITY DOWN. GOOD MEN SHOULD NOT TOLERATE SUCH THINGS.

There. I hope it’s all clear as punch to you. I even put it in all CAPS so that it would hit a little harder.

Now, forget being a lawyer for one minute and answer me this... do you not agree that good men should speak out against illegal sexual molestation of males no matter what the sex of their offender?

[SaraJohnson]

Actually, I’ve been trained to, and have actually investigated a number of child molestation cases and sat on family advocacy boards.

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Here’s a good guy to talk to about the Penn State sexual abuse of boys, Travis.

[little jeremiah]

Often moral rot infects people and they don’t even realize it. If you’ve ever seen the pornography supporters on FR you’d vomit. Whenever I ping them out the attacks I get are amazing. People start practically foaming at the mouth - if they were in the room with me they’d probably beat me up.

Attachment to sexual perverion and immorality is a deep spiritual sickness, but it is a sickness that is chosen. Not caught by accident. Problem is, there are so many vectors, a person has to go out of their way to avoid “catching” it. And many people “caught” it growing up, when they were immature, had no choice about influences (say public school sex ed), were violated when young, etc. But even adults who were “infected” when young, can choose to change, and every behavior - which includes speech - is a choice. And habits are formed by the actions we choose to engage in or not engage in.

I led an extremely dissolute few years as a teeanger until I straightened out - had some falldowns - but even with the falldowns knew it was very wrong, begged God for forgiveness, and became a different person.

That’s something a lot of people do, but a lot of people don’t want to do.

Doing my ping lists on FR and making the comments in support of morality and truth is one of my ways of making amends.

Another point is my old tagline, just recently retired (might bring it back), a quote from C.S. Lewis, something like this:

Courage is not just one of the virtues, it is the form of every virtue at the testing point.

[Zevonismymuse]

and the plot does thicken....interesting and no doubt will become newsworthy in this whole case.

I certainly hope so but it may be that the focus will stay on Paterno. The Homosexual Agenda Advocates in the MSM want this to be an indictment of football when it should be an indictment of the Lavender Mafia running our colleges.

[Prokopton]

Now, forget being a lawyer for one minute and answer me this... do you not agree that good men should speak out against illegal sexual molestation of males no matter what the sex of their offender?<

Everyone should speak out against any abuse of any child. Everyone should speak out against the sexual abuse of anyone, child or adult.

Let me ask you this, do you really believe, as you stated, that half of FReeper men would cheer on the Penn State rape of a ten year old boy if the rapist were a woman?

[MrEdd]

Let me ask you this, do you really believe, as you stated, that half of FReeper men would cheer on the Penn State rape of a ten year old boy if the rapist were a woman?

If one was starting with the naughty teacher threads as their primary point of reference that would be the logical assumption.

Bringing back that you CLAIM to be a lawyer, have you ever bothered to do a little homework and run the math on the posters who support the female pedo teaches vs. those who oppose them on those threads, or did you just decide to try to rest on your credentials on this thread and make shit up that you can't back with the available empirical evidence?

She already said that was her source.

If you are not full of crap, take the last forty or fifty of those threads, extract the statistics, and prove her wrong if she is wrong.

Good luck with that.

[little jeremiah]

Norm, have you seen this one??? Check posting history! They’re all over the place!!!

[Marie]

“Let me ask you this, do you really believe, as you stated, that half of FReeper men would cheer on the Penn State rape of a ten year old boy if the rapist were a woman?”

Why don’t we see? Change the sexes and post it as an article. Link it to a blog.

Let’s see what FReepers say.

It would be my greatest hope to be proven wrong. I would love it if more than half the men snarled like tigers against this crime.

But let’s do a series of experiments.

- a 35 y/o man with a 14 y/o girl
- a 35 y/o woman with a 14 y/o boy
- a 35 y/o man with a 14 y/o boy

- a 35 y/o man with a 15 y/o girl
- a 35 y/o woman with a 15 y/o boy
- a 35 y/o man with a 15 y/o boy

All are minors. All below the age on consent. I promise yo that the homosexual articles will have harsh responses, condemning the actions of the molester in the worst of terms.

The male-molests-girl arguments will be almost as bad (good?) in their condemnation.

But when it comes to the female-molests-boy article, it won’t be as bad.

Quit calling me names and prove it.

[SaraJohnson]

These people sound like the defenders of Clinton.

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It’s called humanism or moral relativity. It is purely material and legalistic. No ethics need apply.

[Prokopton]

Quit calling me names and prove it.

I'm not calling you names, I'm just accurately describing you, a lying libeler of all male FReepers. I don't have to prove anything. You opened up your mouth and defamed around 125,000 FReepers with a stupid statement with no proof. You started digging your hole with a shovel and then you brought in a backhoe. You earned everything you've been called. 95% of FReepers can't stand you.

[SaraJohnson]

And BTW, I have friends in academia close to this situation. They said that all but two of Sandusky’s victims are black. Wait until the media gets a hold of that info.

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Depends on which card trumps the other: The race card or the homo pervert progress card. I bet the homo perv card is more valuable than the race card. Liberals don’t have a boy card in the deck.

[Marie]

"a lying libeler of all male FReepers."

As I never called ALL male FReepers anything I'd say that YOU are now guilty of liable.

So, are you going to do that test and prove me wrong? :-)

[Gene Eric]

>> “You’re not getting it. You just don’t get it,” said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.

What an amazing coincidence.

[SaraJohnson]

Oh, how I wish the focus was not becoming this clear...because what I am sensing here is that these white admins & white coaches may have “put up” with not intervening on behalf of the victims because the victims they knew of were black. They were deemed “expendable” — especially in light of the alternative...

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What they are protecting is their authority to homosexually interact and dominate children and young people in the name of homo victimhood. The homo grooming power card trumps the black diversity race card. All boys (and children) are expendable in the homo dominance effort.