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Survivors of sexual abuse appalled by Penn State unrest
CNN ^ | 11 Nov 2011 | Madison Park

Posted on 11/11/2011 6:47:52 PM PST by Hoodat

How does a survivor of sexual abuse respond to students rioting at Penn State?

"You're not getting it. You just don't get it," said Dave Lorenz who was abused by a priest as a teen.

"It's just stupid youthfulness."

Earlier this week, legendary head football coach Joe Paterno was removed in the midst of a scandal involving sexual abuse allegations against a former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky.

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Watching footage of Penn State students rioting in the streets Wednesday night, Lorenzo shuddered, then hung his head.

What bothered Lorenz is that students "rallied around (Paterno's) house, cheering him up."

"The kids up there just don't understand what this does," he said.

"Stop thinking of the adult and start thinking of what happens to a child that goes through this. You love the adult, you may not know the kid. Start thinking of the kid and the horror they go through, because it's hell."

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Kayla Garriott, a 22-year-old college student who was sexually abused as a child, said the open support for Paterno was disrespectful to survivors.

"That's the first thing people look at -- that their football team is without their head coach that's been there so many years. Nobody looks at the eight children."

The rioters are "never going to be in those children's shoes. It's not about football. It's about eight children who are never going to get back their lives back. They're going to live with this the rest of their lives. They might not get over that."

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: childabuse; clintonlegacy; jerrysandusky; joepaterno; paterno; pennstate; pennsylvania; sandusky
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To: antceecee
"I thought you were a conservative, sad to see you are just like the lib mad dogs in the media."

So it's ok for you to pass moral value judgments on other people, but I'm not allowed to? That's a double standard worthy of any liberal. You're making an evaluation of me based on things I've said. I've simply done the same based on things McQueary and Paterno said.

51 posted on 11/11/2011 9:33:19 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hoodat

Paterno could have redeemed a large part of his tattered reputation by telling the rioters to go home and be quiet, but his ego prevented him to do the right thing.


52 posted on 11/11/2011 9:35:32 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Joe 6-pack

I just caught the exchange above.

This homo-rape and cover up is revealing a lot about people. Really a lot. Shows me the need to stock up on more ammo.


53 posted on 11/11/2011 9:36:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: dfwgator

Yeah, and the first paragraph of any future biography will note his cover-ups of child rape. What a legacy.


54 posted on 11/11/2011 9:41:08 PM PST by onedoug (lf)
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To: little jeremiah

Yeah...I’ve been amazed at some of the JoPologists and McScuses that have been surfacing.


55 posted on 11/11/2011 9:41:35 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack; Glenn
There are more than one victim. Many more. It is the precise inaction of those who had direct, or even some degree of peripheral knowledge or suspcision led to the continued victimization of this predator. Even if Sandusky is the only actual child raper here (which I doubt), his enablers and protectors are at least partially culpable for the later molestations.

/b>Very well said.

56 posted on 11/11/2011 9:46:04 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Why don't you quit attacking fellow freepers and wait to see this unfold? You sound pretty insecure in who you are and what you believe. You either believe in the Constitution of the US or you don't. You either believe in our system of justice or you don't. Facts have not been established other than those the media deems are appropriate. I do believe all those accused will mount a defense and many of those who are more obvious in their guilt will be held accountable, but then again there are always those others on the sidelines who were swept up in the media frenzy who just might be found innocent... and then again you may be right and they are guilty as hell.

Maybe you should back away from that tree and put away your rope and horse, until such time as those guilty are found guilty by a jury of their peers. But then again... it seems you find our justice system just too liberal for your MORALITY?

57 posted on 11/11/2011 9:53:39 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee
"Why don't you quit attacking fellow freepers and wait to see this unfold? You sound pretty insecure in who you are and what you believe."

ROTFLMAO...there's that double standard again. You condem me for "attacking fellow freepers", and in the very next sentence...attack me! You do know there is medication for bipolar disorder, don't you?

58 posted on 11/11/2011 9:59:45 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: antceecee

As for my belief in the Constitution, what percentage of you life have you spent under oath to defend it with your life? Care to match it against mine? Happy Veteran’s Day :-)


59 posted on 11/11/2011 10:03:12 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

That’s not the whole statement. The first part of that was “With the benefit of hindsight.”

As in, knowing now what kind of monster Sandusky is, he wishes he had done more. He had no idea at the time.


60 posted on 11/11/2011 10:05:20 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Stating an observation of your insecurity in your beliefs is not an attack, just an observation. Sorry you took it as an attack.

Looks like you are very angry about this story or something and are looking to win your argument, stand your ground (rope in hand, sturdy oak tree to hang the varmints)... okay... you win. Hang 'em high. I just choose not to be a part of your adoring crowd.

61 posted on 11/11/2011 10:05:36 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You tread thin ice FRiend....


62 posted on 11/11/2011 10:06:13 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Hoodat

Blame your most tolerant educators.


63 posted on 11/11/2011 10:08:04 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: vette6387

What accounts? You are suggesting that there is a vast conspiracy coming out of Penn State to protect a monster. Is this your statement? Are you seriously saying that a man whose wife and family didn’t even know he was a serial child abuser was being protected by dozens or even hundreds of people?


64 posted on 11/11/2011 10:08:05 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You obviously aren’t defending the Constitution today.


65 posted on 11/11/2011 10:08:32 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: flintsilver7
OK, so it was, "With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more."

He didn't know it was going to unravel the way it did. That doesn't exactly mean he had no idea at the time. If that were the case why didn't he just say, "I had no idea at the time. If I did I would have done more," or something to that effect?

66 posted on 11/11/2011 10:10:57 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: flintsilver7

PSU is going down and “JOEPA” was a facilitator. His record is wiped out and it is a shame.


67 posted on 11/11/2011 10:10:57 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: antceecee
"You tread thin ice FRiend...."

LOL...insults aren't enough?...you're up to threats? You going to have your buddy Sandusky come after me in the shower?

68 posted on 11/11/2011 10:12:40 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: All

I’m not sure about who all is guilty at PSU. But I know that 99.9% of the institution is not.


69 posted on 11/11/2011 10:13:16 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: sand lake bar

Maybe Joe can scream “we are the 1%”.


70 posted on 11/11/2011 10:15:36 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: antceecee
"Looks like you are very angry about this story..."

Child rape doesn't anger you?

wow.

71 posted on 11/11/2011 10:16:13 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: eyedigress

Nothing supports the idea that Paterno was a facilitator.

People who believe this at this point are on par with 9/11 truthers.


72 posted on 11/11/2011 10:16:56 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

He already said that he had no idea. Does he need to say it again?


73 posted on 11/11/2011 10:17:54 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: eyedigress

I think Joe understands and wishes that he had done more. Even good men can err in judgment.


74 posted on 11/11/2011 10:18:36 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: flintsilver7

911 truther huh. Somebody that works for me that is scared of my power tells me one of my officers is raping boys isn’t going into a vacuum. It goes to the police. Sorry


75 posted on 11/11/2011 10:19:54 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: flintsilver7
"He already said that he had no idea."

McQueary told him that Sandusky was naked in the shower. Joe told the grand jury he had been advised of horseplay or "something sexual" in the shower by McQueary...in 2002. How does that equate to, "no idea"?

76 posted on 11/11/2011 10:20:50 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: sand lake bar

He was playing good ole’ boy while this guy set up a network of children to be molested with an on-going basis. The entire event is sick as hell.


77 posted on 11/11/2011 10:22:14 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Child rape is a horrible thing. I have personal experience with this from my own childhood. You don’t know what you are dealing with here. There are many innocent people who don’t see it because the pedophile is very sneaky, very clever and uses his/her power to conceal. You really should go away now and not post to me. You have no idea what you are speaking of, this crime destroys the innocent more than the guilty.


78 posted on 11/11/2011 10:27:03 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Paterno says that’s not what was he told. Nonetheless, whatever he was told (and we will never know exactly what) was relayed by Paterno to his superior as well as the police commissioner. He put the actual witness in touch with them as well. Additionally, Sandusky was not an employee by the time Paterno had any idea.


79 posted on 11/11/2011 10:29:56 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: eyedigress

Paterno took it to the police commissioner and put him in touch with the witness. What the hell else is he supposed to do? Why is this part of the story always lost or ignored?


80 posted on 11/11/2011 10:30:42 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: antceecee
"...this crime destroys the innocent more than the guilty."

Which is why I've been arguing that those who enable, give a tacit nod to, or fail to intercede are every bit as morally culpable as the rapist...even if they are not legally culpable.

For some reason you've been arguing against that point all night.

81 posted on 11/11/2011 10:31:28 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: flintsilver7

Shoot the messenger?


82 posted on 11/11/2011 10:31:49 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: eyedigress

He, like Sandusky’s FAMILY, did not know.

Why do you act like pedophiles prey on children in plain sight? It’s a crime notoriously difficult to detect and prosecute because they are experts at hiding their behavior and the victims are easily manipulated.

Surely you can’t be this naive.


83 posted on 11/11/2011 10:32:30 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: antceecee

Sadly, I think everybody else in the country is doing a perfectly good job of executing the messenger.


84 posted on 11/11/2011 10:33:28 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: flintsilver7

What police do you speak of? Why then did he and the president get the ax?


85 posted on 11/11/2011 10:33:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: eyedigress

When Bill Clinton shamed his office, we didn’t cast the blame on the entire nation. America was greater than the acts of small men. So is Penn State.


86 posted on 11/11/2011 10:34:18 PM PST by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: flintsilver7

Give it up already. JOEPA AND THE PRESIDENT OF PSU HAVE BEEN FIRED! Are you the new counsel?


87 posted on 11/11/2011 10:36:30 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

You do NOT have the FACTS! You are not JUDGE AND JURY! What part of that don’t you understand? You are so thick-headed and “damned if you aren’t right”, no one could ever reason with you. YOU sir are ignorant when it comes to the subject of child rape. I am quite sure the pedophile in this case is laughing his ass off over the media scrutiny of his boss. What a crock. Meanwhile, the media uses this story to mask the criminal activity of the Obama administration. This story is done, they are all going to court for determination of justice. Like it or not this is our system of justice and it is actually quite the best in the world.


88 posted on 11/11/2011 10:37:11 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: sand lake bar

I hope so, but the financial hit will be enormous.


89 posted on 11/11/2011 10:37:34 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: flintsilver7
"Paterno says that’s not what was he told."

From the Grand Jury Report:

"Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State Athletic Director and Paterno's immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." Was Paterno a direct witness? No. Did he have, "no idea"? I don't see how anybody could make that claim with a straight face.

90 posted on 11/11/2011 10:39:34 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AGreatPer

Here’s hoping that Nebraska beats the hell out of Ped State on Saturday.


91 posted on 11/11/2011 10:40:10 PM PST by WesG (Without geometry, life is pointless.....)
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To: WesG

Nebraska actually asked their fans to not wear their colors. This is one game I would avoid.


92 posted on 11/11/2011 10:43:38 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: antceecee
"YOU sir are ignorant when it comes to the subject of child rape."

Actually, I've been trained to, and have actually investigated a number of child molestation cases and sat on family advocacy boards.

"Like it or not this is our system of justice and it is actually quite the best in the world."

I've been part of our justice system for 20+ years now, and while I agree it's the best in the world, it certainly has room for improvement. Individual morality and the ability for personal values to influence personal judgments is an even more fundamental human quality, and if more people exercised it more frequently, our justice system would need to be called into play with significantly less frequency.

93 posted on 11/11/2011 10:46:03 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Wow... finally a reasonable post from you. Kudos.


94 posted on 11/11/2011 10:49:09 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee
"...finally a reasonable post from you."

It's obvious somebody has to set the example for you.

95 posted on 11/11/2011 10:50:47 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Looking at your history ... you are no example, not for me and not for my children.


96 posted on 11/11/2011 10:51:44 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Of course not....you’re children would be better off emulating Mike Mcqueary.


97 posted on 11/11/2011 10:53:17 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

And so you prove my point once again.


98 posted on 11/11/2011 10:54:24 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Just returning the favor. You’ve been proving my points all night.


99 posted on 11/11/2011 10:55:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: eyedigress

Gary Schultz was the commissioner of the University Park police. This was the sole reason he was called to that meeting.

I have no idea why Spanier and Paterno got fired. My guess is because the Politburo is trying to salvage their own imagine by firing the two most prominent figures available.


100 posted on 11/11/2011 10:55:58 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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