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Conventional War Against Iran Is Not Feasible
Big Peace (Breitbart) ^ | 11/13/11 | Kerry Patton

Posted on 11/13/2011 1:17:21 PM PST by yup2394871293

The International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to release a report about Iran’s nuclear program this week. Many nuclear experts and diplomats expect the worst. Israel is getting sketchy, and rumored plans of military operations against the Shiite state are increasing—operations vehemently opposed by Russia.

Iran’s recent foiled plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador on U.S. soil exemplifies Iranian defiance against the United States and our ally Saudi Arabia. Their continued influence in Iraq sparks grave concerns among many Iraqi citizens. The Arab Spring uprisings induced by Iranian proxies haunts many Middle Eastern nations. The list of reasons to engage war against Iran is endless, but is war feasible?

Prior to launching Operation Enduring Freedom, the United States could have easily squashed the Ayatollah regime. In fact, the United States and our allies could have defeated Iran while simultaneously conducting operations in Afghanistan. When we entered Iraq and pushed outward to other “red zones” in places like the Horn of Africa, our capabilities swiftly deteriorated.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: axisofterror; iran; iraq; israel; lebanon; nukes; saudiarabia; syria; waronterror
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Too little too late.
1 posted on 11/13/2011 1:17:22 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293

The Iranians have been begging to be nuked since November, 1979. I say grant them their wish.


2 posted on 11/13/2011 1:21:19 PM PST by Astronaut
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To: yup2394871293

An EMP over the nuke plants and a couple over power plants and game over for 10 years.


3 posted on 11/13/2011 1:25:20 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Astronaut

Yup, we’ve ignored Iran for too long. Like ignoring a lump under the armpit that turns out to be cancer.

Bringing them to heel even ten years ago might have been cheap. Now the price will be high indeed.


4 posted on 11/13/2011 1:26:55 PM PST by rbg81
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To: Astronaut
I think it has been a great mistake for the US not to use nuclear weapons against rogue nations developing nuclear capability. We should have nuked Stalin as soon as he tested a weapon. We should have nuked Pakistan. North Korea. Iran.

Non-proliferation would work a whole lot better of the dictators developing the technology had a tendency to disappear in a cloud of radioactive dust.

This sort of approach would probably have had to be applied only a couple times before people got the message -- and the result would have been a late 20th century world with a single nuclear power. Things would have been better.

And I say the opportunity is not yet totally lost. Iran should be used as an object lesson -- it's too big to invade. We cannot hope to win a ground war there. So: let's nuke it.

5 posted on 11/13/2011 1:27:25 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: mountainlion

The emp from a nuke would knock out electronics for hundreds miles except for hardened targets!


6 posted on 11/13/2011 1:28:35 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: yup2394871293
Any country that can land men on the moon (multiple times), build the atomic bomb, put a rover on Mars, build HUNDREDS of aircraft carriers during World War II, cure polio and invent the Internet can defeat a country like Iran.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't--you're right.” ― Henry Ford

7 posted on 11/13/2011 1:29:33 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: yup2394871293
Prior to launching Operation Enduring Freedom, the United States could have easily squashed the Ayatollah regim

Ah no they couldn't. No bases in the region to launch such an attack from. Also impossible to squash Iran while leaving Iraq untouched on our flank.

8 posted on 11/13/2011 1:31:15 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Afganistan (which borders Iran?)


9 posted on 11/13/2011 1:32:35 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: mountainlion

Does the US have EMP weapons of this power in their arsenal?


10 posted on 11/13/2011 1:34:00 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293

American Military Forces could certainly defeat Iranian forces and win a war there.
IF WE FOUGHT IT AS WE DID WW2. TO WIN. TO DESTROY THE ENEMY, THEIR CITIES, THEIR ABILITY TO WAGE WAR.
We stopped doing that once we went into Vietnam.


11 posted on 11/13/2011 1:35:18 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think it has been a great mistake for the US not to use nuclear weapons against rogue nations developing nuclear capability.

The enviro-whacko's and MSM have over-hyped the dangers of nukes and most folks don't want to let that Genie out of the bottle.

Nagasaki, Hiroshima, even Chernobyl and the latest Japan incidents didn't produce the longterm massive devestation that was hyped.

12 posted on 11/13/2011 1:35:37 PM PST by umgud
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To: MNJohnnie

Seems to me that the same argument could have been used against Operation Enduring Freedom and the Iraq war.


13 posted on 11/13/2011 1:37:32 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: SECURE AMERICA

What about N. Korea?


14 posted on 11/13/2011 1:38:20 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293

They can dial down the blast yield on a conventional nuke and have it detonate high in the atmosphere over the target. There were tests conducted on this back in the 50’s and 60’s, but they were mainly to study the effects such blasts (from a nuke exchange with the USSR) would have on the US.


15 posted on 11/13/2011 1:39:12 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

I guess our government generally thinks that would set a bad precedent.


16 posted on 11/13/2011 1:39:58 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: mountainlion
Does EMP travel deep underground? Just asking?

You might be able to take out the grid that powers the underground bunkers, but they might be able to jury-rig something to keep their efforts going.

17 posted on 11/13/2011 1:43:54 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: tallyhoe
The emp from a nuke would knock out electronics for hundreds miles except for hardened targets!

Explode it at low altitude and the footprint will be smaller. An EMP bunker buster would be interesting.

18 posted on 11/13/2011 1:45:41 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
People used to win wars by capturing the enemy's capitol. It was a little like chess.
Another good way to win a war was to bring the enemy army to a major encounter and to decisively beat that army. It was sort of good sportsmanship for the loser to recognize defeat.
In an age of Total War, you could win a war by firebombing cities, nuking cities, and by inflicting millions of causalities (men, women, children, civilian, combatants, whatever) on the other side. Make them cry for mercy and make them accept unconditional surrender. That approach seemed pretty effective.

In my lifetime, all of these approaches have been taken off the table. There seems to be no acceptable replacement, and we no longer have any real strategy for "winning" a war. We just fight until we lose the political will, then we come home.

We need to relearn what works: The old ways are the best ways.

19 posted on 11/13/2011 1:45:51 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

You’ve got that right. Once we stopped fighting wars to win, we started having troubles. With Iran, the stated goal should be that we intend to break things and kill Iranian soldiers and terrorists. We should clearly state we will not be rebuilding Iran only destroying its military and nuclear capabilities. I would also add that we should take out every government palace, house, vacation spot where that nutjob goes.


20 posted on 11/13/2011 1:46:17 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: yup2394871293

I wouldn’t be against unconventional war with them.


21 posted on 11/13/2011 1:46:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: yup2394871293
I guess our government generally thinks that would set a bad precedent.

Our government is wrong about a great many things. As it is now, I think it is almost a certainty that a US city will be devastated by a nuclear weapon within 10 years. Our own forbearance will not have protected us at all.

22 posted on 11/13/2011 1:47:46 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: yup2394871293

From Afghanistan? Were we are in the mist of fighting an insurgency?

Really think we can run our logistics tail for a major operation in Iran thru there?


23 posted on 11/13/2011 1:49:35 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: yup2394871293

>>The Arab Spring uprisings induced by Iranian proxies haunts many Middle Eastern nations.<<

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Then let them do something about it instead of expecting the infidel West to solve Muslim problems.

Let them consume one another.


24 posted on 11/13/2011 1:50:33 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: yup2394871293

Nope.

Why Iraq

One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the “Anti War movement”) of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US’s National “News” media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.

Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.

To start with Saddam’s Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it’s diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it’s military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.

The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.

Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The “Holy” soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.

There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect” to understand. It’s so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like “No Blood for Oil” or “We support the Troops, bring them home” or dumbest of all “We are creating terrorists” then to actually THINK.

Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their “god” will reward them for killing us.

So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.

Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming “We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad” and recruit the next round of “holy warriors”. Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it -

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Winston Churchill


25 posted on 11/13/2011 1:51:09 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: yup2394871293
Irrelevant. War, it must be.

Iran Placing Medium-Range Missiles in Venezuela; Can Reach the U.S. (12/09/10)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2640111/posts

‘Die Welt’: Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela (17 May 2011)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721122/posts

Iran readies launch of new satellite
(Iran's second satellite launch, 11/09/2009
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2382720/posts

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA
09/08/01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/519198/posts

Iran military engineers on hand for N. Korea missile launch
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664760/posts
(7/12/06)

10 Iranian Missile Engineers Visited N. Korea:Sankei reports(check on NK’s Chinese equipments)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658850/posts
(07/01/06)

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)

US confirms Iran launch of first home-built satellite
afp ^ | 2-03-09 | staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2177582/posts

Iran Satellite Launch Heightens Missile Development Concerns

By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 3, 2009
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52939

Iran hails successful launch of satellite rocket
Posted on Wed 03 Feb 2010 02:51:50 AM MST
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2443266/posts

26 posted on 11/13/2011 1:55:56 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: ClearCase_guy

>>I think it has been a great mistake for the US not to use nuclear weapons against rogue nations developing nuclear capability.<<

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Hell, we’re still agonizing and incriminating ourselves about the fact that we dropped two nukes, every August 6.

This attitude will only change after we get nuked ourselves.


27 posted on 11/13/2011 2:00:16 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: SECURE AMERICA

If Harry Truman was President right now, he wouldn’t hesitate one second using nukes to take out Iran’s capability of destroying Israel. Harry was the key instrument in Israel being granted statehood in 1948. They say he was so overjoyed that tears flowed down his cheeks.


28 posted on 11/13/2011 2:01:17 PM PST by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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To: yup2394871293
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/1984/ERD.htm
EMP
Submitted To
Mr. Wiggins
In Partial Fulfillment of Requirements
for Written Communications
The Marine Corps Command and Staff College
Quantico, Virginia
Major R. D. Erick
United States Marine Corps
April 6, 1984

Excerpt:
“However, the effects produced by a nuclear explosion were not fully realized until the “Johnston Island Test” in 1962. This nuclear blast had a yield of 1.4 megatons at an altitude of 250 miles. The explosion damaged a number of low earth orbit satellites and caused malfunctions and early failure of others. Another effect that was noted during the blast was a blackout up to 600 miles away of high frequency radio communications that lasted for hours. It was caused by disruption of the ionosphere. It also popped circuit breakers, street lights went out, burglar alarms rang, and power lines went down in Honolulu, about 800 miles away. In Nov. 1962, all above ground testing was halted and our testing and analysis was limited to underground testing, analysis of the existing atmospheric test data, nonnuclear simulation, and theoretical calculations.”

29 posted on 11/13/2011 2:04:14 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: yup2394871293

Yep, the Forgotten War, as my late father called it (a U.S. Army vet, Korean War, ‘52)


30 posted on 11/13/2011 2:15:05 PM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: rbg81

Ten years ago we attacked Afghanistan and Iraq and subsequent years bogged down in counter insurgency and nation building. After Americans are wary of the casualties and costs, not in a mood to attack Iran. It may have been cheap, but US public support was spent five years ago. Add the financial meltdown of 2008, chances for American support for another overseas adventure is nil. The only Americans freaking out are the Jews because their homeland is ground zero for Iranian madness. Rest of America wants our forces home. NOTE: This is not a Ron Paul rant against Jews, but my 2 cents of what I see. Welcome any other opinions.


31 posted on 11/13/2011 2:37:11 PM PST by Fee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You nailed it.
I have a hard time not yawning when I hear: “We cannot defeat - insert enemy here - with our military.”
I seem to remember they said the same thing about Iraq & it's huge conventional army blah blah.
If it wasn't for a sandstorm, Iraq might have fallen in days.

As it was, Thunder Run definitely shocked more than the Iraqis. - It stunned all of the so called experts on our militay who forecast 1,000s of causalities and months of street fighting ala, Stalingrad.

Still, that being said, the naysayers were right beck dishing out the same crap about Fallujah

32 posted on 11/13/2011 2:37:29 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: yup2394871293
Just read and follow my tag line.

Screw bunker buster, turn those savages and every mountain and valley into molten glass.

Tell the king of saudia arabia, {our pals} they have one month to shut down every saudia sponsored foreign madrassa, or mecca and medina will be next.

Tell the ISI in POCK-E-Stahn, they have one month to turn every nuclear device over to a control group headed by NATO, or if they don't look to the glass flow in iran to see what comes next.

If we have to melt one or two hundred million mooselimbs and several million others, so be it.

The mooselimbs have invaded and now control 57 states {countries} if we don't stop them, the future is bleak.

33 posted on 11/13/2011 2:42:16 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: yup2394871293
What about N. Korea?

Before we apply my tag line to N Korea, we tell the chinese that we are going to level N Korea, and if they interfere we have them as part A-1 on the attack plan.

If they blink take out every nuclear device in china.

34 posted on 11/13/2011 2:47:06 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Any country that can land men on the moon (multiple times), build the atomic bomb, put a rover on Mars, build HUNDREDS of aircraft carriers during World War II, cure polio and invent the Internet can defeat a country like Iran.

How many thousands dead, how many trillions in spending, and how many years of nation building is Iran worth?

35 posted on 11/13/2011 2:50:31 PM PST by SoJoCo
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To: yup2394871293

“Senior Iranian’s son murdered by same method as Hamas’ Mabhouh”
DEBKAfile Special Report
November 13, 2011,
http://debka.com/article/21479/


36 posted on 11/13/2011 2:55:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Fee

I never thought that invading Iran was a viable option. Instead, we should have just taken out key infrastructure, including bases and nuclear facilities. That would have beeen relatively cheap and would have sent a strong message that we wouldn’t tolerate them going nuclear—or messing with us in any way.

We could still do some of these things today, but it would be much harder. I’m sure much of Iran’s nuclear weapons program is covert and underground. No doubt we know about most of it, but perhaps not enough.

Iran has been a thorn in our side and their declarations about the destruction of a key ally (Israel) is unacceptable. They need to get spanked—hard. We could set them back decades without one soldier stepping foot on Iranian soil.


37 posted on 11/13/2011 2:57:01 PM PST by rbg81
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To: SoJoCo

How do you raise their millions of victims from the grave after they attack the mainland United States? Did we want Hitler or Tojo to acquire muclear weapons?


38 posted on 11/13/2011 2:58:03 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: MNJohnnie

That was one hell of a posting. And you brought up stuff that, I suspect, most people on this site cannot even deal with, such as the situation with Iraq prior to our invasion. We tend to forget stuff such as the Saddam’s clear non-compliance with the terms that ended the Kuwait war.


39 posted on 11/13/2011 3:01:03 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
How do you raise their millions of victims from the grave after they attack the mainland United States? Did we want Hitler or Tojo to acquire muclear weapons?

The time to prevent it was 7 or 8 years ago. But we were busy.

40 posted on 11/13/2011 3:03:15 PM PST by SoJoCo
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41 posted on 11/13/2011 3:03:50 PM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: yup2394871293
Conventional War Against Iran Is Not Feasible

Depends on what you mean by "conventional".

I'll bet our conventional aircraft borne and naval weapons systems will work quite well on them.

42 posted on 11/13/2011 3:12:03 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: mountainlion
EMPs aren't a super-weapon. They have to be followed up with real assaults, or else the enemy recovers.
43 posted on 11/13/2011 3:22:10 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: yup2394871293

We had carbon fibers that did a great job on Iranian power lines. They’re cheaper than a nuke.


44 posted on 11/13/2011 3:23:15 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: MNJohnnie

My thoughts exactly. This guy is talking out of his a@#/.


45 posted on 11/13/2011 3:48:05 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“Easily,” though? Maybe Granada was easy, but that’s a dangerous prognostication when it comes to wars.


46 posted on 11/13/2011 3:50:36 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: yup2394871293

Saudi Arabia is not an ally.


47 posted on 11/13/2011 3:52:43 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: SoJoCo
The time to prevent it was 7 or 8 years ago.

Um NO. You cannot launch major operations into Iran without taking out Iraq 1st. We could not done this 7-8 years ago.

Unfortuantely thanks to electing "Barack "Brave Sir Robin" Obama in 2008 we have now pissed away our hard won strategic advantage in the region.

48 posted on 11/13/2011 4:06:58 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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49 posted on 11/13/2011 4:18:32 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: mountainlion

Yea I know I was just saying it would knock out Iran’s radar radio’s telephones Television everything electronic.


50 posted on 11/13/2011 10:29:24 PM PST by tallyhoe
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