Posted on 11/14/2011 3:44:15 AM PST by lowbridge
Meet New York’s newest hero.
Kevin Hiltunen, a former NYPD officer, yesterday grabbed an Occupy Wall Street demonstrator by the collar and dragged him out of a Queens school where he’d been heckling US Rep. Bob Turner at the congressman’s swearing-in ceremony.
“I guess you could say I sorted him out,” said Hiltunen, 48, his jacket and tie barely mussed after dragging the scruffy protester out on his rear end.
“All I was doing was trying to stop this historic occasion from being disrupt-ed. There is a time and place to exercise your First Amendment rights,’’ said Hiltunen, of Bergen Beach, Brooklyn, who was identified by people at the ceremony as an ex-Marine.
“This was not the time or the venue,” Hiltunen added.
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Under the authority of common sense and common decency.
When children act out the adults must become corrective.
LOL!!!
The article reports that he was not security but rather a supporter.....In other words, his right to enjoy the ceremony without disruption was being infringed upon so he took it upon himself to remove the disrupter......
Now, what would YOU have done?
How should have the disrupter been dealt with or should he have been allowed to remain and continue his disruption?
Agreed. that is the exact problem. Some “conservatives” don’t care about the Constitution or the Rule of Law they are supposedly “conserving.” If the situation was the one you presented, there would be chanted of “why I concealed carry,” “no body would lay a finger on me,” etc. etc. While I understand the hypocrisy (human nature), I still find it sad when I see it. I suppose people are tired of the way that their rights are trampled (I am, too), but some people rather than restore the balance and promote the rule of law, they want the shoe to be on the other foot so that they can in turn, trample the rights of others (two wrongs make a right, mentality). The problem is that that pendulum swings BOTH ways, and the shoe will always eventually be on the other foot.
“Marines are there when you need them.”
I agree. And you can tell which posters here you can count on when the SHTF and which ones will be whimpering and hiding in the closets.
Was this a private event on private property? I already asked that.
It doesn't matter......How would YOU have dealt with the disruptor?
Sorry, we’ll have to disagree. I don’t believe you have the right to assault someone because they disagree with you.
Here’s the first amendment:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Well the good citizen was not the Congress. Just a good decent citizen showing an assclown that there is a place and time for everything and that he had picked the wrong place and wrong time.
From the article:
Holding a sign that read, “Rep. Turner [heart] the 1%,” Weissman remained seated and quiet until Turner, who was there with his wife, Peggy, took the stage about 1:30 p.m. and began to speak.
“He was close by to where I was standing, and he started yelling something about Bob Turner,” ...“So I grabbed him by his sweat shirt and escorted him out. I just had to do what was right. I was just here to witness this historic occasion.”
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The guy did nothing to the OWS guy as long as he sat quietly holding his sign. When the OWS guy started yelling, disrupting the event, is when the the man stepped up and restored order to the event.
No blood involved. No fisticuffs. Heck, it doesn't even look like the protester's hair is mussed. Now, I gotta go to work....
Not necessarily, but Distrubance of a Public Meeting certainly is. The event was a swearing-in ceremony, not a county council meeting.
Whether it is or not, we still have assault. And it’s still wrong. Defending YOUR person or property is one thing, physically attacking someone because you don’t like what they’re doing is another.
Distrubance of a Public Meeting"Disturbance of a public meeting refers to the unlawful interference with the proceedings of a public assembly. Generally, any conduct that is contrary to the usages of a particular sort of meeting and class of persons assembled interferes with its due progress and services, or anything that is annoying to the congregation, is a disturbance. A meeting shall be disturbed when it is agitated, aroused from a state of repose, interrupted, or diverted from the object of the assembly"
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/disturbance-of-a-public-meeting%20/
Cordially,
"Bob Turner has sold out Queens and Brooklyn voters by voting for the [South] Korea, Colombia and Panama free-trade agreements which will outsource 219,000 U.S. jobs to sweatshops,"
That may be a sentiment that his harmful economically, but it is certainly not Marxist, anti-American drivel.
Man, ya just gotta smile when you see that photo! A manly man TCB; I love it!
(You’ve got to wonder what kind of parents raised this kind of OWS trash. I remember when parents’ goals for their kids was to become productive members of society. The olden days, I guess.)
That is a well reasoned post, thank you, for providing that legal definition. Now, what is the law in New York concerning that matter. The article mentions no arrest (citizens’ or otherwise) of the protester for a crime, was he later charged?
You are advocating “the heckler’s veto,” which effectively DENIES the free speech of those who were trying to speak before the heckler took over.
“The heckler’s veto” has never been held to be a 1st Amd right.
Well, if your questional is vague, then so will my answer be. Constitutionally/legally.
Anyone else notice how much like the Westboro Baptist Church bunch these OWSers look?
how is the exmarine on disability? he has possibly dishonored himself with retirement fraud
the problem is he’s an excop because of a disability. so he gets paid to not work but is able to throw out a heckler. retirement fraud. he can’t work behind a desk? what’s his disability? it takes 20 yrs to retire. why couldn’t he work the last 5?
How do you heckle someone at a public meeting on public property? Or was this a private meeting on private property, or a private meeting on public property? Or is there a specific law in New York that prohibits protesting at public meetings? I specifically asked that, and have repeatedly stated that if the protester broke a law, that the situation is different, in that I would agree with a citizen’s arrest.
I have never heard of a “Heckler” except in a private meeting, and usually on private property, or where the “heckling” (specific activity) was a criminal behavior (ie. at a public meeting with a permit, warranting “disruption of a public meeting” etc.) The details make or break the argument of whether or not one or both of these men should be criminally liable for their actions.
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