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Listen Up, Boomers: The Backlash Has Begun
The American Interest ^ | November 13, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 11/14/2011 9:11:04 AM PST by Publius804

Talkin’ about my generation”: the Who song once expressed the hope and self confidence of the Baby Boomers as they reached biological if not emotional maturity. It was an attack on the older generation, a defense of the young, but it includes an ominous refrain: “Hope I die before I get old.” Already, perhaps, the shadow of generational failure hung over the twenty something Boomers. Those shadows have darkened considerably as the Boomer sun moves past the meridian and an unmistakable air of twilight infiltrates into the declining hours of the long Boomer day.

Talking about our generation is not going to be as much fun for the Boomers as it was in those long distant days of infinite promise. My generation has some real accomplishments under its belt, especially in the worlds of science and technology. And we made important progress in making American society a more open place for people and groups who were once excluded. In every field of American life, there are Boomers who have made and are making important, selfless contributions: in hospitals, in classrooms, in government, in business, in the military. You name it and we are there.

But at the level of public policy and moral leadership, as a generation we have largely failed. The Boomer Progressive Establishment in particular has been a huge disappointment to itself and to the country. The political class slumbered as the entitlement and pension crisis grew to ominous dimensions. Boomer financial leadership was selfish and shortsighted, by and large. Boomer CEOs accelerated the trend toward unlimited greed among corporate elites, and Boomer members of corporate boards sit by and let it happen.

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1 posted on 11/14/2011 9:11:08 AM PST by Publius804
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To: qam1

Ping!


2 posted on 11/14/2011 9:12:19 AM PST by Publius804 (Buckle up - with Obama at the controls it's gonna be a bumpy ride. God help us.)
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To: Publius804

As the new senior citizens, the boomers will be the biggest voting block.


3 posted on 11/14/2011 9:14:39 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (The unemployment problem only can be solved when Obama is unemployed.)
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To: Publius804

Cut the funding for ALL illegals and you will most likely have plenty of money. We owe the illegals nothing. If we keep supporting them, we may as well support all of Mexico. Is this what we want?


4 posted on 11/14/2011 9:16:58 AM PST by RC2
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To: RC2

we already are


5 posted on 11/14/2011 9:18:34 AM PST by brivette (lol!)
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To: Publius804

Of course many people do not fit the stereotype, but the Boomer stereotype is a very self-centered person who only cares about instant gratification. The USA went down a bad road when that approach to life became acceptable.


6 posted on 11/14/2011 9:22:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: Graybeard58
This all reminded me...."Payday" is the day before Thanksgiving. Woo Hoo!

Maybe I'll go squander most of it at the local Injun casino....

7 posted on 11/14/2011 9:22:45 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Obama Voters: Jose Baez wants YOU for his next jury pool.......)
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To: Publius804

One more stupid essay lumping every Boomer into the same box as if we all shared the same beliefs and are all responsible for the fools in our generation.

About the only things we did share were the music we heard and the world events we saw occur as we grew up. Which is pretty much the same for any age cohort.


8 posted on 11/14/2011 9:22:51 AM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: ClearCase_guy; Carry_Okie

To quote a brilliant FReeper regarding the Boomer’s Parents...

“There’s a reason a communist like Rather would call our predecessors “The Greatest Generation,” and it’s not WWII. They bought the “it’s natural” story from Kinsey and tolerated the sexual revulsion. {Some} parents had five divorces between them, wasting what they might have left us on lawyers. They bought what they needed all on a credit card the interest on which was tax deductible. They borrowed for the Great Society, they borrowed to send us to college, and they expected us to pay for their retirement and medical care while ALSO paying for day care because they wouldn’t help with our young children while we were working two jobs to pay for their cushy entitlements. We buy artificial hips, scooter chairs, and nursing care, and still it isn’t enough. We paid inflated prices for housing because they wanted to keep their empty palaces and didn’t want to join an integral family.”

Slamming the boomers? Where did they learn it from?
For anyone born during “Camelot”, there is lots of blame to go around.


9 posted on 11/14/2011 9:33:37 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: RC2

Well that’s just not true. You could get rid of illegals and you still would have a basic disconnect between one person paying into Social Security and three people taking out, which is where it will be in 10 years.


10 posted on 11/14/2011 9:33:37 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Publius804

The biggest problem, as far as I am concerned, is the whole values divide. He says it’s left and right, but I don’t see it that way. I see it as the secular or the left. I think the secular views of many (including the right) are just as rotten. I see it right here on FR all the time. So many people are consumed with their own needs, wants, and are obsessed with their “rights,” yet there is no wisdom or common sense. Sure, you have the freedom to watch porn, but at what cost to society as a whole? Sure, you have the right to be a greedy trader on Wall Street, but again, at what cost? The Left has infiltrated academia.

In the old days, there were common standards of decency, obligation, and responsibility. Men didn’t leave pregnant women in large numbers as they would have been viewed in a harsh light - not so today. I just heard that PA is going to revamp their laws about reporting child abuse to make them stricter (all of this in light of the Sandusky/Penn State scandal). More and more laws to control every ounce of a person’s life all because nobody wants to follow the old tried and true BIG TEN or to admit that the seven deadly sins really ARE deadly.

Just had to rant. Meanwhile, as a Boomer who has been swimming against the tide of secular humanism and leftist claptrap, I can’t WAIT to see what this Day fellow and HIS generation come up with...(hmmm: euthanasia, etc.)


11 posted on 11/14/2011 9:38:37 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Pelham

Thank you for saying what I also believe.


12 posted on 11/14/2011 9:39:20 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Publius804; qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
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Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

13 posted on 11/14/2011 9:42:19 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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14 posted on 11/14/2011 9:44:21 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: netmilsmom
Yes, it was the so-called Greatest Generation (and their parents) who put into place the Great Society entitlements and the expansion of the federal government that has brought us to the brink of public bankruptcy. All Boomers were too young to vote when Medicare and Medicaid, were enacted.
15 posted on 11/14/2011 9:59:35 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Publius804

Neither Paterno or Sandusky was a Boomer.


16 posted on 11/14/2011 10:06:33 AM PST by Starstruck
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To: Publius804
The bill is coming due, and many Boomers don't want to pay it.

I know, a generation is made up of individuals, but quite frankly someone has to say “Enough!”

Looks like it will be mine. Tax me, work me to death if you must, but if you try to pass this on to my children, God help you. I will not sacrifice my children's future for you.

17 posted on 11/14/2011 10:06:34 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Publius804

The Boomer generation is a faithless one, they embraced the rejection of Christ and filled this society with the false hope of the government will fix all. They embraced socialism and made it their God. They embraced the killing of babies, free love, drugs and drunkenness, and all manner of greed. They hated the innocence of the fifties, and mock it to this day. They rejected any moral compass, but their own.

The rejection of Christianity will not be easy to recover from.


18 posted on 11/14/2011 10:11:25 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Publius804

I hope I die exhausted from the work and the fun while trying to catch my breath.


19 posted on 11/14/2011 10:13:53 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: riverdawg

VEry true.

Neither did the greatest gen get rid of the war time practice of taking the “taxes” owed straight out of their pay checks.

That one piece of change has made more and more people less aware of the increasingly out of control spending, because if they HAD to write a check each year, the madness would have stopped long ago.


20 posted on 11/14/2011 10:14:08 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Publius804

It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the “Hope and Change” which in reality was nothing but “Hype and Lies.” You have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don’t like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or “Climbing the Social Ladder” to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting. Many of those who fell for the “Great Lie” in 2008 are now having buyer’s remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn’t have sense enough to see through the lies and instead drank the ‘Cool-Aid.’ Now you’re paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom. This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.


21 posted on 11/14/2011 10:18:29 AM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Your brilliant Freeper isn’t all that brilliant.

“They bought the “it’s natural” story from Kinsey and tolerated the sexual revulsion.”

I assume that’s ‘sexual revolution’. The sexual revolution began with the contraceptive pill in 1962, not the Kinsey reports of 1948 and 1953. And it definitely wasn’t embraced by the generation that was married and raising families at the time.

“{Some} parents had five divorces between them, wasting what they might have left us on lawyers. “

Kids from divorced families were a rarity in my grade school classes of the late 50s early 60s , rare enough that you knew who they were.

“They bought what they needed all on a credit card the interest on which was tax deductible.”

Boomer’s parents had charge cards that required full payment monthly, not credit cards. They bought on lay-away or using a revolving credit line from a local merchant. Credit cards as we know them were created in 1966.

“They borrowed for the Great Society, they borrowed to send us to college, and they expected us to pay for their retirement and medical care while ALSO paying for day care because they wouldn’t help with our young children while we were working two jobs to pay for their cushy entitlements”

Those sound like the personal failings of your friend’s family rather than a valid indictment of the WWII generation. My parents used their savings for my sister’s college. They worked and saved for their own retirement. They took care of their own elderly parents. They took care of my sister’s young children.

If there’s any people I know who do not feel entitled it’s my parents and what’s left of their friends at 90.


22 posted on 11/14/2011 10:24:02 AM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: riverdawg

“Yes, it was the so-called Greatest Generation (and their parents) who put into place the Great Society entitlements and the expansion of the federal government that has brought us to the brink of public bankruptcy.”

I must have missed the part where every administration and Congress after 1965 was prevented from rolling back the Great Society programs they inherited but wanted to repeal. Did someone take away the vote?


23 posted on 11/14/2011 10:30:58 AM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: TruthConquers

“Neither did the greatest gen get rid of the war time practice of taking the “taxes” owed straight out of their pay checks.”

This practice was introduced to the government by an executive of the Montgomery Ward corporation, which used to be one of America’s major retailers.


24 posted on 11/14/2011 10:34:10 AM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Pelham

That is the first I have heard of that.

The alliance between corporations and government goes way back.


25 posted on 11/14/2011 10:43:26 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Publius804

Any generation that can produce a triple knit lime green leisure suit (with bell bottom pants for bell bottoms) has to be respected, even more so if the white patent leather shoes are worn with it.

So watch your comments folks or we check the back of your closet for bump toe shoes!


26 posted on 11/14/2011 10:44:13 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: TruthConquers
The alliance between corporations and government Fascism goes way back.

Fixed.

27 posted on 11/14/2011 10:46:29 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

I can’t argue with that!


28 posted on 11/14/2011 10:49:05 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Pelham

bttt


29 posted on 11/14/2011 10:50:33 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: central_va; TruthConquers

You will often hear the left complaining about corporations “running the government” and they call that fascism.

In reality, fascism is where the government “allows” private/corporate ownership but controls the business so tightly that there is no discernible difference between “just” controlling the business and government ownership of the business.

This upside down vision of “fascism” by the left is simple to take apart. “Who has the legal ability to use deadly force to impose its will on the other, the corporation or the government?”


30 posted on 11/14/2011 10:56:31 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: RC2

Familiar leaders from both entrenched parties favor legalizing the crop of illegals here. They want new young workers paying in who will help to kick the social security scam can down the road farther before it detonates.


31 posted on 11/14/2011 11:07:00 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Pelham
Did someone take away the vote?

No, but it would have helped if someone had taken away the media.

The Boomers are the first generation to grow up in an environment where all the media were spouting the same leftist line.

32 posted on 11/14/2011 11:15:28 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Pelham
“I must have missed the part where every administration and Congress after 1965 was prevented from rolling back the Great Society programs they inherited but wanted to repeal. Did someone take away the vote?”

The insidious feature of Ponzi schemes like SS and Medicare is that no one generation has both the political power and the self interest to roll back or eliminate the future entitlement. The Boomer and near-Boomer groups with the bulk of the political power are now close enough to retirement that they now want to claim their “hard-earned entitlement.” Those who are under 45 would almost surely be better off with a private retirement fund, but then the SS “trust fund” (i.e., the US Treasury) would lose all of the revenue from the “pay-as-you-go” nature of the current scheme and would have to raise other taxes tremendously to pay the “entitlements” of the current (and next generation of) retirees.

33 posted on 11/14/2011 11:54:03 AM PST by riverdawg
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To: Publius804
OWS
34 posted on 11/14/2011 11:56:09 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: TruthConquers

“The alliance between corporations and government goes way back.”

This wasn’t an alliance of Wards and the government. It was more an insight from the private sector getting absorbed by the Treasury Dept. Montgomery Ward’s insight filtered through many layers before it ended up in the Tax Collection Act of 1943

Wards had been using employee withholding in their company for some time and knew that it saved time and money for recurring payments- it may have been for the company health plan, Montgomery Wards was one of the first companies to offer health insurance to their employees, in 1910.

WWII was the first time that income tax affected the public at large. It went from being a “class tax” to a “mass tax”. In 1941 only 8 million income tax returns were filed. By 1943 it had risen to 35 million.

The best method of collecting the tax was debated by Congress for a couple of years before withholding became law.


35 posted on 11/14/2011 12:03:49 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Pelham

Ok, you are defending the withholding of taxes on Free Republic? So you are fan of efficient tax collection? WTH?


36 posted on 11/14/2011 12:09:23 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: thulldud

We had two medias involved.

The advertising and commercial media which targeted ‘boomers as a demographic for which to create products. IIRC the advertising world invented and popularized the very terms “baby boom” and “boomers”.

And then we had the news media. They were based almost entirely in New York City, the center of American cultural and commercial life as far as they were concerned. Every national news broadcast and all magazine publishing came through a NYC filter, and that was as far to the left of the American mainstream then as it is today.


37 posted on 11/14/2011 12:24:04 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: central_va

No, and you should read more closely instead of making unfounded accusations.


38 posted on 11/14/2011 12:26:18 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Pelham

You may rephrase it, the end result is the same.

More people being taxed, for the benefit of the government.

To the detriment of the people and their sense of responsibility to keep a check on government spending.

They went from 8 million to 35 million people being taxed, and it STILL wasn’t enough.


39 posted on 11/14/2011 12:27:35 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Pelham

>>“They bought the “it’s natural” story from Kinsey and tolerated the sexual revulsion.”

I assume that’s ‘sexual revolution’. The sexual revolution began with the contraceptive pill in 1962, not the Kinsey reports of 1948 and 1953. And it definitely wasn’t embraced by the generation that was married and raising families at the time.<<

LOLOL!!! Go back and watch the movies of the time, my FRiend. Start with “Rear Window”. What do you think Princess Grace was implying when she was leaning into Jimmy Stewart? This was the same generation that had “Peyton Place” and “Lolita”? Oh no, they were as pure as the driven snow.

>>“{Some} parents had five divorces between them, wasting what they might have left us on lawyers. “

Kids from divorced families were a rarity in my grade school classes of the late 50s early 60s , rare enough that you knew who they were.<<

Yeah, they waited until after the kids were out of the house, let’s talk about how many broke up in the 70’s. Those in their 40’s.

>>“They bought what they needed all on a credit card the interest on which was tax deductible.”

Boomer’s parents had charge cards that required full payment monthly, not credit cards. They bought on lay-away or using a revolving credit line from a local merchant. Credit cards as we know them were created in 1966.<<

My parents had credit cars from Sears and May Company LONG before that. You’re thinking “Mastercharge”. And did all the “Greatest Generation” die off in 1966? No, they continued to charge on.

>>“They borrowed for the Great Society, they borrowed to send us to college, and they expected us to pay for their retirement and medical care while ALSO paying for day care because they wouldn’t help with our young children while we were working two jobs to pay for their cushy entitlements”

Those sound like the personal failings of your friend’s family rather than a valid indictment of the WWII generation. My parents used their savings for my sister’s college. They worked and saved for their own retirement. They took care of their own elderly parents. They took care of my sister’s young children.<<

Actually, it sounds like you lucked out.
I personally remember my mom and a bunch of her friends giggling “I raised my kids.” and refusing to watch grandchildren. (she was born 1928) They passed around my Grandfather (born 1907) until he had no clue who’s house he was in when he died. My parents refused to pay for ANY of my sister’s nursing school. I worked my way through college.

My husband’s grandparents ran rum and hired a “country girl” to raise the kids. To this moment, his parents are worth a cool mil and whenever we have asked for help, they have told us that they will charge an interest rate higher than the banks. (born 1921 and 1926)

The Greatest Generation is NO better than anyone else and they certainly didn’t help with raising the boomers to be what they are either.

>>If there’s any people I know who do not feel entitled it’s my parents and what’s left of their friends at 90.<<

You must hide in your home on Senior Day at the grocery store. I know I do on Wednesdays.


40 posted on 11/14/2011 12:53:28 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: TruthConquers

“You may rephrase it, the end result is the same. More people being taxed, for the benefit of the government.”

I didn’t rephrase anything, I was quoting someone.

The observation that the income tax had gone from being a “class tax” affecting millionaires to a “mass tax” affecting everybody was made by Henry Morgenthau the Secretary of the Treasury.

“They went from 8 million to 35 million people being taxed, and it STILL wasn’t enough.”

A little bit of historical perspective is necessary.

The 8 million taxpayers in 1941 were supporting a peacetime America in its 13th year of Depression.

The 35 million taxpayers in 1943 were supporting an America fighting a two-front global war while engaged in the greatest build up of war materiel in world history.

That increased taxation paid for WWII, during which a full one tenth of the US population was in uniform and many more worked in civilian support.


41 posted on 11/14/2011 12:54:34 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Pelham

You may wish to appear reasoned, but your defense of the unconstitutional taxing of citizens of this country by taking it straight out of people’s paychecks is nothing to be proud of.

And it is not necessary ANY MORE.
That ended more than sixty years ago, and here you are defending it.

Whose side are you on, the government, or freedom???


42 posted on 11/14/2011 12:58:00 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Publius804
(sighs). What a stupid editorial, and I'm not even a boomer. 1946-1964. I was born in the 1970's.

It wasn't the boomers that gave us FDR, LBJ. Most boomers did not vote for George McGovern. Most boomers did not vote in 1972. Anyone born in 1955 or later did not vote. The youngest boomers could not even vote for Reagan the first time he ran.

43 posted on 11/14/2011 1:03:56 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: TruthConquers

I wasn’t defending the income tax unless you consider providing historical perspective “defense”.

You need to learn to read with comprehension instead of popping off.


44 posted on 11/14/2011 1:09:14 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: TruthConquers
Neither did the greatest gen get rid of the war time practice of taking the “taxes” owed straight out of their pay checks.

That even pre-dates the Great Depression, so I wouldn't lay that one squarely at the feet of the Greatest Generation. Methinks that change was driven by the same people who brought us all that one world order stuff in the early portion of the 20th century.

45 posted on 11/14/2011 1:13:59 PM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Pelham

And you need to learn that this is how your posts have been read.
I am not the only poster who has said that to you.

Your “historical” perspective sounds more like apologetics than trying to enlighten.

The end result is the same.

Some RINO in a corporation was doing something, holding his employees money, to pay for them. He was/is what has happened to this country. Some self appointed kiss @$$ who brown nosed with the government.

To the cost of thousands and millions of other Americans, and shackled them with taxes of a greedy government who has no intention of doing anything of lasting good, but try to only help their own agenda, an agenda that is against what America is supposed to be, FREE!!!!!!!!!!


46 posted on 11/14/2011 1:21:03 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

Withholding actually only dates back to the Current Tax Payment Act of 1943.

Before WWII income taxes primarily fell on millionaires. Some government funding still came from tariffs rather than income taxes. The income tax didn’t become widespread until the 1943 act was passed.


47 posted on 11/14/2011 1:22:34 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: thulldud
The Boomers are the first generation to grow up in an environment where all the media were spouting the same leftist line.

I was 12 when Kennedy was assassinated. At the time, I marveled at how this man (actually a letch, as I later came to know) was portrayed as a King and the Kennedy's and wholesome Jackie/family was portrayed as a martyr's faithful wife. The social, moral, potitical and financial ills of this country began then in earnest. And, I've been a conservative all my life.

Two years later I went to work, finished high school, did 8 years of military time, went to college, and have been paying the maximum to SS since I don't remember when.

I've supported GGer's who put in cents on the dollar of what I and you have put in, and they lived to their 80s and 90s. Today, I filed for my Social Security at 62 and I'm damned well gonna take it.

The Xers can complain all they want. Had not this government been spending the SS fund as lotto winnings all these years, it would be in reasonable shape. The key to financial stability is starving the 'entitlement for no work' crowd and making them produce. Stop the government from spending money to buy votes and promote rabid foreign governments. It isn't in carping about other taxpaying, working citizens.

48 posted on 11/14/2011 1:28:19 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: TruthConquers

The two of you should start a club. Buy yourselves a book on reading comprehension.

There is a difference between description and advocacy. It’s apparent you don’t bother yourself with that distinction.


49 posted on 11/14/2011 1:30:50 PM PST by Pelham (Islam. The original Evil Empire)
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To: Pelham

If you can’t understant my posts, go buy the book for yourself, you need it.


50 posted on 11/14/2011 1:33:15 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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