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Cain Supports Collective Bargaining for Public Unions?
Townhall ^ | 11-14-2011 | Kate Pavlich

Posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:25 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright

In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, Herman Cain said he supports the "right" for public employees to bargain collectively. In other words, he is in favor of unions on the taxpayer dime. Cain also said federal workers have unions, meaning the right to collectively bargain, but they do not.

On the issue of collective bargaining, Cain said he supported the right of public employees to bargain collectively.

"But not collective hijacking. What I mean by that, if they have gotten so much for so many years and it's going to bankrupt the state, I don't think that's good. It appears that in some instances, they really don't care."

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When I moderated The Florida Tea Party Convention debate 8 days ago, Newt, Santorum and Bachmann all came out explicitly against public sector unions - but Cain did not. I was disappointed then and remain so on this issue.
1 posted on 11/14/2011 6:58:28 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

As we all know, the SEIU, et al, represent a big piece of the Fifth Column in this country. I am very surprised that Cain supports these Marxist extortionists if that is the reality here. His past business ties probably play a big role in this...(?)


2 posted on 11/14/2011 7:04:29 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Cain sounds a little waffly on this. Not good.


3 posted on 11/14/2011 7:05:56 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
The Townhall folks keep coming up with this thing that federal workers don't have the right to bargain through unions.

The Postal Reorganization Act gave collective bargaining rights to Postal Employee Unions.

Time for Townhall to get up to speed on the law.

4 posted on 11/14/2011 7:07:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’m a Cain supporter, but this is seriously disturbing. This could be enough to make me switch my support to Newt, although I’m not that comfortable with Newt either.


5 posted on 11/14/2011 7:08:50 PM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: muawiyah

>> The Townhall folks keep coming up with this thing that federal workers don’t have the right to bargain through unions. >>

That may be true, but Townhall folks aren’t running for President. I don’t really care if they get it right or not. I am very concerned that the candidates on “our side” get it right however. And the right answer, as even FDR and George Meany would admit, is that public sector workers SHOULD NOT have the right to unionize.


6 posted on 11/14/2011 7:10:09 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

did he really say that?

Can we believe any of the media outlets?


7 posted on 11/14/2011 7:10:23 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Actually, I have to support the unions in this as well. My grandfather and his cohorts made a deal with FDR. They'd clean the Communist Party organizers out of the federal employee organizations and he'd recognize their unions.

They cleaned them out. He recognized them.

You must want theCommies back eh?!

You tricky devils never give up.

8 posted on 11/14/2011 7:10:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: GeronL

Watch the video...


9 posted on 11/14/2011 7:12:12 PM PST by TBBT
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To: muawiyah

With all due respect, WTH are you talking about? If you support public unions, you are on the wrong website.

Read and learn:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/end_public_sector_unionsperiod.html


10 posted on 11/14/2011 7:12:58 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Cain on unions:

He is against the Employee Free Choice act (forced unionization) - (www.hermancain.com/ “Issues” , May 21, 2011)

He is against Card Check - (Political column, THE New Voice, “Card Check Lies” , Feb 9, 2009)

He supported Scott Walker and spoke at the rally this year - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijx6ryJtvII

His empowerment zones are right to work only - http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/10/20/union-bosses-unleash-on-herman-cain-for-targeting-unions-sacred-cows/


11 posted on 11/14/2011 7:13:33 PM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

He is also pro-Muslim


12 posted on 11/14/2011 7:13:40 PM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: WriteOn

no he’s not.


13 posted on 11/14/2011 7:14:47 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: justsaynomore

I am aware of those positions. Very aware. But this is a strange position IMO.


14 posted on 11/14/2011 7:15:43 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

His empowerment zones bug me.
And his reliance on the “Super Committee”


15 posted on 11/14/2011 7:17:58 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
If you fail to distinguish between "right to strike" and "collective bargaining" you are not only on the wrong site, you are in the wrong country.

Roosevelt made a deal. You cited FDR as being against organization within public employee groups.

It's not that you lied about it ~ it's that times changed and real live Communists became a very real threat. The FBI couldn't get them out of the government agencies. Neither could the War Department or the Navy Department.

Non Communist federal employee union leaders came forward and did the job with fists, guns, harassment, intimidation, abuse ~ it was a regular war ~ and you want to turn your back on the deal?

You're nuts ~ you'll get Commies back in the government ~ they'll make the goons and thugs at SEIU look like pussy cats.

Anti-Communism is still an FR option the last time I looked.

16 posted on 11/14/2011 7:18:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: C. Edmund Wright
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17 posted on 11/14/2011 7:18:29 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: mylife

I don’t like the empowerment zones particularly, but I like 999 overall. And I think you’re mistaken on his stance on the super committee..


18 posted on 11/14/2011 7:19:23 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: muawiyah

I find your analysis insane and your connection of dots fanciful at best and absurd at worst.

FDR was philosophically against public sector unions for the same reason any sane person would be - that it puts the public servants in a position of negotiating AGAINST the tax payer which is simply an unsustainable and ludicrous position.

The idea that getting rid of public sector unions would strengthen communist influence on our government is one of the most ridiculous positions I’ve ever seen on FR.


19 posted on 11/14/2011 7:22:19 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You don't know your Commies. The fact you are against worrying about that aspect of our history is highly disturbing. Maybe you do know your Commies.

You had probably best straighten out your thinking here. Joe McCarthy was not wrong.

20 posted on 11/14/2011 7:24:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: WriteOn
He is also pro-Muslim

Prove it! I think you're full of BS.

21 posted on 11/14/2011 7:25:54 PM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: muawiyah

>> You don’t know your Commies. The fact you are against worrying about that aspect of our history is highly disturbing. Maybe you do know your Commies.
You had probably best straighten out your thinking here. Joe McCarthy was not wrong. >>

You are obviously many drinks into your nighty toddies. The post above makes no sense in light of what I have said - and the idea that being against government unions is the same thing as being pro communist is simply an absurd and deranged position that has not even the slightest scintilla of common sense to back it up.

Go away union troll.


22 posted on 11/14/2011 7:27:10 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I call on the Super committee to pass the phase 1 enhanced plan along with their spending cuts”

This is from his own website which I see he has reoutlined and revised.

I used to read even worse.
At least he lists the phases chronologically now.


23 posted on 11/14/2011 7:27:45 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: smoothsailing

That is funny as L !!!

Oh sheesh did you get me laughin’! I almost stop, then I look and start again!


24 posted on 11/14/2011 7:28:06 PM PST by Irenic
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To: smoothsailing

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/so-which-is-it-cain-defined-benefit-plan-or-premium-support/question-2267311/


25 posted on 11/14/2011 7:30:16 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Bargaining implies that you have opposing interest sitting across the table. When public sector collective bargaining is in play, and especially when Democrats are in power, there is nobody sitting across the table representing the interest of the taxpayer.


26 posted on 11/14/2011 7:31:25 PM PST by TBBT
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To: C. Edmund Wright

It is always difficult to take a complex issue and turn it into a one liner. Should public employees have a vehicle in which to voice their concerns about salary, benefits, pension, and working conditions? Now the big question, should that voice be the local employees operating independently or should that voice be an international union that is in bed with the politicians?
I will have to hear more before I write Cain off.


27 posted on 11/14/2011 7:31:38 PM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: GeronL

you say - “did he really say that?

Can we believe any of the media outlets?”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/11/14/videos_cain_self-destructs_on_libya,_unions

scroll down and listen to his own words.

Hey, Herman - you don’t ‘bargain’ with the devil and win - you don’t keep the devil in line if you bargain with him. You kick his AS - ah, tail feathers.


28 posted on 11/14/2011 7:31:42 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: muawiyah

Yea! And we are against it ...that’s what elections are all about.


29 posted on 11/14/2011 7:32:37 PM PST by ontap
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To: C. Edmund Wright


30 posted on 11/14/2011 7:33:12 PM PST by Iron Munro (Ben Raines For President)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
You have been here since 2010. I've been here for far more than a decade. I've never changed my position on unionization inside the federal government in all those years.

The choice was to allow a Communist takeover of federal unions or an American takeover of federal unions.

FDR let the Americans do it.

He changed his PHILOSOPHICAL mind.

You newbies imagine history started the day you first said "Hey, yo, TEA Party". It didn't. There's been a lot go on long before you figured out you had a public responsibility to yourselves, your family and your fellow citizens.

31 posted on 11/14/2011 7:33:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: ontap
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Ignorance of American history is no excuse for anyone ~ not you, not your funny little friends, not your buddy Obama and his running dog lackeys.

Time to catch up with reality.

32 posted on 11/14/2011 7:35:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: altura
Cain sounds a little waffly on this. Not good.

Not surprised. I'm not a single-issue voter, but Cain is uninformed on too many topics. Obama will clean his clock in a debate.

33 posted on 11/14/2011 7:35:49 PM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Steamburg

>> I will have to hear more before I write Cain off. >>

I am far from suggesting anyone write him off - but I do find his position on this puzzling and not consistent with many other things he believes. I wonder if this is the result of some bad internal advice.


34 posted on 11/14/2011 7:35:59 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: WriteOn
He is also pro-Muslim

Bullshit!

35 posted on 11/14/2011 7:36:32 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Irenic

:o)


36 posted on 11/14/2011 7:37:36 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: muawiyah

>> I will have to hear more before I write Cain off. >>

First refuge of someone getting killed in a debate — waaah waaah I’ve been on FR longer than you — waaah. For your information, and I know this will rock your tiny little pathetic world, but there is political debate OUTSIDE of FR. Yep, there is. There really is. In fact, many of us have been involved in it for many many years. FR rocks, but it ain’t the only thing. Except in your life.

Besides, your history may be correct in some technical points but to stretch that to mean that anyone who IS AGAINST PUBLIC UNIONS IS THEREFORE IN FAVOR OF COMMUNIST INFLUENCE ON OUR GOVERNMENT is just a borderline mentally retarded conclusion. I’m sorry, it just is.


37 posted on 11/14/2011 7:39:11 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: muawiyah

Newswflash...the communist are still in the government...never really left!!!


38 posted on 11/14/2011 7:40:08 PM PST by ontap
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To: Steamburg; C. Edmund Wright
Prior to FDR's decision regarding federal employee unions NO INDIVIDUAL FEDERAL EMPLOYEE was even allowed to write a letter to his Congressman.

Once the Commies were rooted out of the government (and particularly the Communist unionizers were a bit more than "rooted out") Roosevelt issued an executive order that allowed federal employees to write to their Congressmen.

Prior to that the only one speaking for federal employees to Congressmen were union reps. Approval to write to your Senator came later. You could get in serious difficulty just writing to a state legislator.

People who want to roll things back to the days before recognition are playing with some serious fire.

39 posted on 11/14/2011 7:40:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: dfwgator

soon freepers will see the light. I’ve finally made my choice & he’s by far the smartest guy in the room. I just can’t believe you’ve all dismissed him for this long.


40 posted on 11/14/2011 7:42:27 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: TBBT

>> When public sector collective bargaining is in play, and especially when Democrats are in power, there is nobody sitting across the table representing the interest of the taxpayer. >>

YEP, a point made in this article in fact:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/end_public_sector_unionsperiod.html


41 posted on 11/14/2011 7:42:36 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: ontap
There aren't as many as before, but you're right, they are there waiting for someone to make a foolish move then they'll start it all up again just like before.

That's why it's necessary to keep federal employee organizational activities open and above board. If you drive that underground you'll get Commies.

42 posted on 11/14/2011 7:42:42 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: C. Edmund Wright

You are the puke who started name calling when you lost ~ BIG ~ face it you’ve got nothing puke ~ you said “Troll”.


43 posted on 11/14/2011 7:44:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You talking to me ..magwa..I'm a retired Social Studies teacher and if there is any ignorance going on here it's you.
44 posted on 11/14/2011 7:46:59 PM PST by ontap
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To: ontap
Personal attacks are prohibited in FR. That includes your variation on a name you can easily C&P.

Your attempt to flash an alleged credential so we can just forget about the Communist threat of the last several decades is truly pitiful.

46 posted on 11/14/2011 7:51:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You must be on something if you believe federal unions are open and above board...they are the corruptest of the corrupt. They should not exist they are communist to the bone!!!
47 posted on 11/14/2011 7:52:23 PM PST by ontap
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To: muawiyah
If you look at people who are currently or have recently been union leaders (Richard Trumka and Andy Stern), it appears that union leadership has again come under the control of the far, far left. I don't know if they are communists, but they're the next thing.
48 posted on 11/14/2011 7:54:42 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: C. Edmund Wright
No, you understand nothing. You are trying to cite FDR Bullsh*t against later FDR Presidential executive orders.

Just won't work. Lots of things happened. Joe Stalin (i'm sure you remember him ~ probably even have his picture nailed above the head of your bed) made a big push to inbed his Communist followers in the US government and it wasn't just at higher levels as appointees in State Department, etc.

He had low level folks infiltrate every agency including the Post Office Department as clerks, warehouse workers, whatever it took. He had Communist party union organizers working in the federal government. By 1941 we were at war with the Axis.

You people want to just forget Joe Stalin, WWII, the whole deal.

Ronald Reagan would have spit you out.

49 posted on 11/14/2011 7:55:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bwc2221; ontap

you’ll have to excuse muahiyah - she worked in the post office for 38 years, so she brings a real skewed point of view to this debate. Apparently wrote work place rules for the post office for 38 years. That would fry anyone’s brain not to mention insulating them from any whiff of the real world.


50 posted on 11/14/2011 7:57:26 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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