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DOJ: Lying on Match.com needs to be a crime
cnet ^ | 14 Nov 2011 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 11/15/2011 1:45:14 PM PST by FourPeas

The U.S. Department of Justice is defending computer hacking laws that make it a crime to use a fake name on Facebook or lie about your weight in an online dating profile at a site like Match.com.

In a statement obtained by CNET that's scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, the Justice Department argues that it must be able to prosecute violations of Web sites' often-ignored, always-unintelligible "terms of service" policies.

The law must allow "prosecutions based upon a violation of terms of service or similar contractual agreement with an employer or provider," Richard Downing, the Justice Department's deputy computer crime chief, will tell the U.S. Congress tomorrow.

Scaling back that law "would make it difficult or impossible to deter and address serious insider threats through prosecution," and jeopardize prosecutions involving identity theft, misuse of government databases, and privacy invasions, according to Downing.

The law in question, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, has been used by the Justice Department to prosecute a woman, Lori Drew, who used a fake MySpace account to verbally attack a 13-year old girl who then committed suicide. Because MySpace's terms of service prohibit impersonation, Drew was convicted of violating the CFAA. Her conviction was later thrown out.

What makes this possible is a section of the CFAA that was never intended to be used that way: a general-purpose prohibition on any computer-based act that "exceeds authorized access." To the Justice Department, this means that a Web site's terms of service define what's "authorized" or not, and ignoring them can turn you into a felon.

On the other hand, because millions of Americans likely violate terms of service

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: democrats; doj; dojisajoke
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1 posted on 11/15/2011 1:45:15 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

You mean in the same manner that giving fully automatic weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels is?


2 posted on 11/15/2011 1:47:02 PM PST by Howie66 (I can see November (2012) from my house.)
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To: FourPeas

People lying to impress the other sex is going to be a CRIME?


3 posted on 11/15/2011 1:48:58 PM PST by Fido969
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To: FourPeas

Does that mean my daughter’s cat has to take down its Facebook page?


4 posted on 11/15/2011 1:49:45 PM PST by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: FourPeas

The Just Us Dept. can’t be bothered to enforce (or follow) Constitutional matters, but can Facebutt terms of service?

nice.


5 posted on 11/15/2011 1:50:14 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Howie66
no no, like sneaking into America, assuming someones identity, stealing tax money via undeserved services

also, kinda like using 12 SS #'s and being ineligible to be president but,,,

6 posted on 11/15/2011 1:50:22 PM PST by NativeSon
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To: FourPeas
In a way, if a person is wasting time with another based on false information, I guess you could consider that fraud....though more civil than criminal.

However, me thinks the DOJ has more important things to tend to at the moment.

7 posted on 11/15/2011 1:51:09 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: FourPeas
DOJ: Lying on Match.com needs to be a crime

However,voter intimidation is still a protected right


8 posted on 11/15/2011 1:51:28 PM PST by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: FourPeas

9 posted on 11/15/2011 1:51:40 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Las Vegas Ron

hopefully you haven’t removed any mattress tags .


10 posted on 11/15/2011 1:52:36 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Fido969

never give your real name on the internet and trust no one ,but trust me my name is molson209 LOL


11 posted on 11/15/2011 1:52:36 PM PST by molson209
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To: molson209

Pssst, I’m really an FSU Grad from Houston.


12 posted on 11/15/2011 1:54:16 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: FourPeas
Match.com used pictures of models and false profiles to sucker gullible men to sign up to try and date them. I found the same picture and slightly altered profile in Burnsville, Ms, Vernon, Alabama, Alton, Oklahoma, and in Orange County, California. When confronted all four profiles disappeared from Match.com. I saved her picture from the site. This was about four years ago and I haven't given Match.com a look since.
13 posted on 11/15/2011 1:55:04 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Las Vegas Ron
“However, me thinks the DOJ has more important things to tend to at the moment.”

This is their entry into regulating content on the internet.
Think of all the, “lies” here on FR which will need their attention. Slippery slope ahead!

14 posted on 11/15/2011 1:55:25 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: FourPeas

So, the people who think it is NO bodies business what their posting history is, and WANT to keep their personal stuff, personal, can’t have a “alias” name?

They want to be able to know who you are, what you think, and no place to hide, because you know, keeping the plebs in line is just so much more important than actually enforcing the laws already on the books.

Need to keep all these morons in line while we fleece them clean of everything they own.


15 posted on 11/15/2011 1:55:50 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: WOBBLY BOB; outofsalt

Agreed, that’s why I was thinking civil vs criminal.


16 posted on 11/15/2011 1:58:35 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Maceman

Does it mean I have to give my actual weight for my driver’s license? I didn’t do that at 16... I sure as heck am NOT doing it now!


17 posted on 11/15/2011 2:00:09 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Fido969

Dude, someones pissed off that when their date showed up they were not as good looking as they were when they saw them online. (laugh)


18 posted on 11/15/2011 2:00:23 PM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily)
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To: FourPeas
Just posted this on another thread. It's amazing how many threads it could be posted on:

I think the feds want to get involved in literally everything just so the sheeple will continue to consider them relevant.

19 posted on 11/15/2011 2:00:25 PM PST by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: FourPeas
What makes this possible is a section of the CFAA that was never intended to be used that way: a general-purpose prohibition on any computer-based act that "exceeds authorized access." To the Justice Department, this means that a Web site's terms of service define what's "authorized" or not, and ignoring them can turn you into a felon.

So any liberal trolls on Free Republic can be imprisoned. Same thing for Romney trolls.

20 posted on 11/15/2011 2:00:51 PM PST by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: Howie66

Yeah, but this one they intend to enforce.


21 posted on 11/15/2011 2:00:59 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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Well, I guess it’s okay to lie to Congress and the Country and to be involved up to your neck in a coverup which has resulted in deaths.

But hey - don’t lie about your weight on match!!!

The logic is astounding.


22 posted on 11/15/2011 2:01:02 PM PST by Driftwood1
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To: FourPeas

F U B O


23 posted on 11/15/2011 2:03:09 PM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao << >> with a floating, shifting, ever changing)
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To: FourPeas; Lazamataz

Does this mean I can get into trouble if I suggest Laz would hit it, when I know for a fact he would not?


24 posted on 11/15/2011 2:04:16 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Cain = National Sales Tax; Perry = Amnesty for Illegals; Romney = Obamacare forever. Who's left?)
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To: FourPeas

What about lying about being born in the US?


25 posted on 11/15/2011 2:04:39 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: FourPeas

seems pretty obvious... someone at DOJ met up with a “25 yr old 120 lb woman” that turned out to be a “42 yr old 240 lb troll”

and since he was a lawyer, he wants to do something about it

btw, we’d all be in violation since we aren’t using our real names on FR (ie: lying about our ‘identity’)


26 posted on 11/15/2011 2:05:25 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: FourPeas

This be the “No Fat Chicks” clause of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act


27 posted on 11/15/2011 2:06:03 PM PST by Spruce (I will never vote for Mitt Romney. And nothing will change that.)
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To: FourPeas

There goes dating and for tht matter the honeymoon!


28 posted on 11/15/2011 2:06:10 PM PST by Voter62vb
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To: FourPeas
Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris.  We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against, then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it.

You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it.  There's no way to rule innocent men.  The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals.  Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.  One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.  Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens?  What's there in that for anyone?

But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt.  Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.

  Rand

29 posted on 11/15/2011 2:06:40 PM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: FourPeas

Wonder how Match will survive with only 5% of their current subscribers?


30 posted on 11/15/2011 2:06:43 PM PST by G Larry (Catholic Conservative Supporting Israel!)
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To: FourPeas

Note to the DoJ. Lying to Senate and House subcommittees under oath already is a crime. Just sayin’.


31 posted on 11/15/2011 2:08:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Yeah match.com has real issues with fake profiles and scammers that they need to address. It’s kind of fun to weed them out though.


32 posted on 11/15/2011 2:09:32 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: FourPeas

Law enforcement will be exempt, of course.

No, people just need to not trust anything someone puts on a facebook page.


33 posted on 11/15/2011 2:12:02 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: NativeSon

Or having to prove who you are to uuse facebook, but being opposed to proving who you are when you go to vote...


34 posted on 11/15/2011 2:13:16 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: FourPeas

Secret Agent Man: DOJ allowing thousands of guns to get into Mexican criminals hands to kill Americans in order to justify opposing the 2nd Amendment, IS A CRIME.


35 posted on 11/15/2011 2:15:19 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Eventually to get on the Internet, everybody will need a CA Certificate from Veri-Sign, or somesuch, validating they are who they say they are, just the same as Companies do.


36 posted on 11/15/2011 2:15:36 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator

I’m actually 5’2”. LOL!


37 posted on 11/15/2011 2:19:37 PM PST by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: FourPeas
DOJ could conceivable prosecute Birthers etc... under this rationale.
38 posted on 11/15/2011 2:20:33 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - "FREDO" smart)
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To: dfwgator

...and maybe a tattoo so I don’t forget my number.


39 posted on 11/15/2011 2:23:15 PM PST by 11Bush
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To: FourPeas

You mean I would have to admit I’m a cross between Yoda and James Carville and that I have one eyebrow and enough hair on my back to carpet a 2,000 sq. ft. home? No way!


40 posted on 11/15/2011 2:23:52 PM PST by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
Arming TERRORISTS in a foreign nation is an ACT OF WAR against that nation.

What # illegal war is this that Jug Ears has started now? 4 ?? 5 ?? Danke her resident!

41 posted on 11/15/2011 2:24:22 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: thesaleboat
Dude, someones pissed off that when their date showed up they were not as good looking as they were when they saw them online. (laugh)

Perhaps like the disappointment that must have resulted from a back seat rendezvous between a certain former Senator from Kenya and one 'Larry Sinclair'?
42 posted on 11/15/2011 2:26:07 PM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain, a God-fearing, Jesus-loving, Constitution-honoring PATRIOT.)
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To: FourPeas

So does this mean that Mitt Romney is committing a crime by stating on his website that he’s a Republican?


43 posted on 11/15/2011 2:28:22 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: dfwgator

Honestly, I am not a Seahawk fan. I don’t even live in Washington State now.


44 posted on 11/15/2011 2:28:29 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: FourPeas
the Justice Department argues that it must be able to prosecute violations of Web sites' often-ignored, always-unintelligible "terms of service" policies.

This is to abrogate the first ammendment so they can prosecute people that violate the FR (or any website's) posting rules to say something like this, "Congress is full of bastards that should all be tried for treason and then hung from their balls until dead for violating their oath of office to protect and defend the US Constitution."

45 posted on 11/15/2011 2:31:10 PM PST by Dick Tater
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To: momtothree

Lying about your weight is now a Federal offense?

Snap ‘em on, copper. I’m guilty of multiple offenses!

;^)


46 posted on 11/15/2011 2:44:24 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: FourPeas

Turn a civil breach of contract case into a criminal matter. Why not just exercise the fraud statutes already in the books?

Yeah, it’s a rhetorical question.


47 posted on 11/15/2011 2:44:37 PM PST by FoxInSocks (B. Hussein Obama: Central Planning Czar)
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To: vetvetdoug

I set up a fake profile on OKCupid and the dang guy got far more play than me.


48 posted on 11/15/2011 2:55:21 PM PST by glorgau
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To: molson209

Is that like molson jr or molson III? lol


49 posted on 11/15/2011 2:56:26 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: FourPeas

One more law to make us all criminals...


50 posted on 11/15/2011 2:57:58 PM PST by glorgau
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