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Herman Cain: 'I'm not supposed to know anything about foreign policy'
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Posted on 11/16/2011 8:34:37 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Herman Cain: 'I'm not supposed to know anything about foreign policy'

By: Maggie Haberman November 16, 2011 10:06 AM EST

The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, whose editorial board interview with Herman Cain produced one of the most memorable videos of 2012, spent a day on his campaign bus with some nice highlights.

Among them:

He defended his view that presidents and presidential candidates don't need to be immersed in the fine print of world affairs - they simply need to be leaders who can surround themselves with the right people and sift through their advice.

"I'm not supposed to know anything about foreign policy. Just thought I'd throw that out," he said, a dig at his critics.

"I want to talk to commanders on the ground. Because you run for president (people say) you need to have the answer. No, you don't! No, you don't! That's not good decision-making," said Cain.

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To: dfwgator

“the press is going to have a field day with it”

Yes, but now that they have a focus for their grillings, they’re going to have a field day no matter what.

So he may as well state again [as he has from the start] that he has no knowledge of FP and reiterate how he plans to surround himself with the knowledgeable / trustworthy people - John Bolton maybe?


51 posted on 11/16/2011 9:00:21 AM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Sub-Driver

If he’s smart enough to team up with Newt and/or Bolton, he’ll have it covered.


52 posted on 11/16/2011 9:00:23 AM PST by NEMDF
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I believe Cain shares Reagan’s philosophy of “There’s nothing you can’t accomplish when you don’t worry about who gets the credit.”

Compare and contrast to what we have now in the White House.


53 posted on 11/16/2011 9:00:42 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Sub-Driver

He is completely correct, but he’s talking like an experienced CEO rather than a pandering politician. He’ll be hammered for this...but I find it refreshing.


54 posted on 11/16/2011 9:02:07 AM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: dfwgator

Yep, but it would help to couch it correctly.

My answer on all foreign policy questions?: “call John Bolton. He’s in charge.”


55 posted on 11/16/2011 9:02:08 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Moderator of Florida Tea Party Convention Presidential Debate)
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To: dfwgator

Reagan had an agenda that he articulated in great speeches. Defeat the Soviet Union in the Cold War and rebuild the American economy. You knew what Reagans’ goals were and you knew what he was going to do to implement that agenda. So far with Cain I really don’t know what his agenda is or how he would go about implementing it. In fact I have pretty much the same problem with all of the GOP candidates to one extent or the other. We had a problem with the vision thing for quite a while now.


56 posted on 11/16/2011 9:03:03 AM PST by jpsb
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To: dfwgator

I gurantee you that he knows more than obama does about foreign policy.


57 posted on 11/16/2011 9:03:27 AM PST by sport
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I would say, “I will have good people, I will give them the credit for successes, and I will take responsibility for any failures.”


58 posted on 11/16/2011 9:03:28 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: sport

My kids know more than Obama about foreign policy....of course I taught them. ;)


59 posted on 11/16/2011 9:04:03 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: TBBT

That wasn’t a gaff.


60 posted on 11/16/2011 9:04:07 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Sub-Driver
Have we not had enough of an elected leader who was billed as some sort of super intellect, all-knowing, with ready answers to every question, a "citizen of the world" who could summon the world powers to do his bidding?

For three years, what we have witnessed is an arrogance and lack of humility unbecoming the most ordinary citizen, but far more obnoxious in one who could pretend to leadership of a free people.

Perhaps Cain draws upon ancient advice and example of a style of leadership which acknowledges it does not solely rely on itself, but draws on the accumulated knowledge of others, including the enduring principles expressed in America's Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Or, perhaps he reaches into an even more distant piece of advice:
"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding." (Prov. 4:7)

Quick, ready sound bites on matters which involve the lives, liberty, and futures of generations yet unborn are foolish indicators of arrogant, shallow men and women.

Acknowledgement of the need for study, contemplation and prayerful consideration on such matters may reflect a mind which has faced his own mortality and has come away with a sense of humility that has prepared him for leadership.

One could be wrong about that, but shouldn't we consider that as a possibility?

61 posted on 11/16/2011 9:04:20 AM PST by loveliberty2
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To: Sub-Driver

As many posters have pointed out already (maybe even at least once in this thread, which I haven’t yet read), a presidential CANDIDATE who is not a current Senator or Congressman has no access to classified material and is thus at a great disadvantage in talking about the DETAILS of foreign policy, which he can only develop after he becomes president.

So Cain is absolutely correct in what he is saying here.

100% correct.


62 posted on 11/16/2011 9:04:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: jpsb
So far with Cain I really don’t know what his agenda is or how he would go about implementing it.

I don't disagree, that's what he needs to do, and not worry about who the leader of Borneo is.

63 posted on 11/16/2011 9:05:10 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Java4Jay

I watched that video and I don’t see a problem with anything Cain said in that video.


64 posted on 11/16/2011 9:05:55 AM PST by samtheman
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To: altura
Yeah, but he’s really denigrating the importance of the office of President here. Why not just pick someone out of the phone book?

Actually, he's not. He's pointing out that the job of the executive is not to be the expert on every matter, but to have the ability to find the right experts, listen to them, and make decisions.

It sounds easy, but it's not. Most of the people I work with every day are incapable of making decisions, at least the big ones. They hedge and delay when put in that position, or seek validation from others. It's not that they're lazy or stupid -- it;s that they simply don't have the temperament, confidence, and experience to "make the call".

In many respects, focus on policy in a Presidential race is misplaced. It has some bearing -- at the very least it shows a candidate's priorities and approach to solving an issue -- but what is far more important (and 9/11 should have driven this point home) is the idea of "do I trust this person to make the 'big decision' when it needs to be made?"

65 posted on 11/16/2011 9:06:25 AM PST by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: dfwgator
"While running for President, Bill Clinton basically said the same thing."

Is that supposed to convince us that Herman Cain should be president?

The goal of a candidate campaigning for Republican presidential nomination should be to convince the American people (who are not already flatlined) that he will guide the nation to ride the waves well above the hull-crushing depths of Traitorobama's (or Slick Willie's) incompetence.

It should not simply be that he is not as much over his head as Barack.

66 posted on 11/16/2011 9:07:48 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: Sub-Driver

If you don’t know anything about the subject, how do you know if the one’s giving you advice, are even close to being right? What happens if they give you advice, but it just doesn’t feel right? Follow them blindly?? May as well elect the one’s giving the advice.


67 posted on 11/16/2011 9:08:22 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Sub-Driver

I think there are two completely different ways to read this line:
“I’m not supposed to know anything about foreign policy. Just thought I’d throw that out,” he said, a dig at his critics.
Number one is
“The President isn’t supposed to know anything about foreign policy.” (Comments here suggest that this is the take on the line).
Number two is
“My critics CLAIM that I don’t know anything about foreign policy”....this interpretation of the line is indicated because it says that this was a DIG at his critics...as in SUPPOSEDLY I don’t know anything, or according to my critics I am an idiot.

Depending on how one understands the line, the meaning is certainly very different. I think that Cain often speaks sarcastically or jokingly and it gets misunderstood. This could even be how he got in trouble with the accusers as well. If you are being “jokey” and the other person is being “literal” it might not end up working.


68 posted on 11/16/2011 9:09:00 AM PST by Anima Mundi (If you build it, they will come and take it away from you..)
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To: Sub-Driver
ROFLMAO!

Another blatant display of diarrhea of the mouth from Cain.

Now it Perry had said anything of the kind here, we would have at least a week of threads ranting and raving at how stupid and unworthy he is. Double standards are like that though.

69 posted on 11/16/2011 9:09:17 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Norseman
If only we had someone with Gingrich’s grasp of the issues, Perry’s governing experience, and Cain’s combination of core principles and likeability.
So come up to the lab and see what's on the slab. I see you shiver with anticipation.
70 posted on 11/16/2011 9:09:41 AM PST by samtheman
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To: stuartcr

Normally, candidates don’t worry about these things until the Primaries are in full swing....how long do we have before Iowa and New Hampshire???


71 posted on 11/16/2011 9:09:51 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I am amazed at how quickly people on FR will believe what Politico prints.

I watched the video from Java4Jay and he said nothing of the sort!


72 posted on 11/16/2011 9:10:37 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

Politics is perception...


73 posted on 11/16/2011 9:10:44 AM PST by Solaia (Ladies and gentlemen take my advice: pull down your pants and slide on the ice.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Another blatant example of false narrative building by the Romney McPerry-bots.


74 posted on 11/16/2011 9:11:13 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I have to admit, your #69 does have a point.


75 posted on 11/16/2011 9:11:22 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Sub-Driver

Didn’t come out right.
Should have been “I don’t need to be the expert on foreign policy. My Secretary of State and my National Security Advisor need to be experts on foreign policy.”


76 posted on 11/16/2011 9:13:29 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Cain&CO have been campaign flying by the seat of their pants from the get-go. Not good. Without a governing or legislative record on which to judge Cain, we are left with dissecting his public rhetoric, both past and present. When his rhetoric falls short, Cain falls short.

We have someone in the WH winging it now. Clearly, on the job training for President doesn't work.

77 posted on 11/16/2011 9:14:27 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: altura
'Even from Politico this is pretty damning.'

Herman Cain has no access to secret breifings. He is not a Washington insider who sits in on government briefings & does not pretend to act like he has inside information.

He is being honest & truthful. I don't see anything damning about that!

78 posted on 11/16/2011 9:15:45 AM PST by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: Dead Dog

Cain’s position during 2008 presidential election;

In 2008, Cain initially praised Democratic candidate Barack Obama, saying of Obama that “His gift is the gift of oratory. That’s not just the ability to speak, but the ability to connect with people.” He also said that he would consider supporting Obama “under the right circumstances” but only if he made a serious attempt to “reach across the aisle”. Eventually, Cain instead endorsed Mitt Romney in the Republican primary. [

Cain on Bank bailouts, and “too big to fail”;

Cain supported the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) bank bailouts as a way to revive the economy, viewing it as an investment opportunity for the taxpayers. In a 2008 editorial, Cain wrote, “Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem.”[1]

In May 2011, regarding his TARP support, Cain said, “I don’t have any regrets . . . I studied the situation. I didn’t have trouble with the idea; I had trouble with its implementation, picking winners and losers.”[2]

In October 2011, Cain said he does not believe in the concept of “too big to fail” and has stated that he did not agree with the bailouts of “JP Morgan and the big banks on Wall Street”.

Cain on Affirmative action;

Cain supports ensuring that minorities receive the same opportunities as non-minorities. He does not agree with a “quota” style affirmative action system, which he believes gives an advantage to minorities simply because they are a minority

Right, “false narrative building” that happens to be on the record........(Nice try though, your rhetoric has not changed one bit.)


79 posted on 11/16/2011 9:18:12 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Sub-Driver

Geez. Isn’t that special? Bless his little ole’ heart.


80 posted on 11/16/2011 9:18:37 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Reagan Man
We have someone in the WH winging it now. Clearly, on the job training for President doesn't work.
And the ONLY reason such an inexperienced person was able to get elected is because he had a) the entire media on his side and b) his dim-witted opponent on his side.

No Republican will ever have those two gifts in any election against a rat.

81 posted on 11/16/2011 9:18:52 AM PST by samtheman
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To: justsaynomore
Me too. It's amazing. Cain, a successful businessman and intelligent man, has been reduced to a bumbling clown by the jackals here. He also has had a live radio show for several years where he showed everyday his ability to discuss various issues at depth. But hey we must destroy a good man and solid conservative who has taken a beating his whole life for having the beliefs he has.

I never want to hear around here again that people are tired of politics as usual. At the end of the day they all want a slick politician who dazzles them with words and smarminess. Every time a successful businessman comes along with ideas to steer this country away from the shipwreck they get dismissed as kooks and idiots.

So enjoy your slick politicians folks - bitch about them when they are Democrats and praise them when they are Republicans. After all y'all know better than some idiot like Cain with his lousy resume.
82 posted on 11/16/2011 9:18:59 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: kosciusko51
"At least he doesn’t think there are 57+ states"

Or that Hawaii is in "Asia".

83 posted on 11/16/2011 9:20:53 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: ken21

That’s the problem with a massive world empire. NOBODY can understand it. This is yet another argument to bring all the troops home and close those bases in 120 countries NOW.


84 posted on 11/16/2011 9:21:37 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: over3Owithabrain

Isn’t this what a primary is for, comparing candidates?

There hasn’t even been a single vote cast, and you are upset with people criticizing a candidate?

Did you get upset when people on FR criticized Rick Perry?

(Just curious.)


85 posted on 11/16/2011 9:21:50 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Sub-Driver

When I first joined FR a few years back, there seemed to be a lot more DISCERNMENT on FR. Seriously! What happened? People used to take liberal news sources with a grain of salt. Now they act like it is gospel.

Did you all forget that the liberals do not want a conservative in office? That this is a deliberate attempt to take down Cain?

Do you REALLY believe Cain thinks he doesn’t have to know foreign policy? He is receiving briefings every day from his foreign policy team(see link below). He knows he has to know some foreign policy but he also knows that he cannot know ALL foreign policy. You surround yourself with the right experts. Cain mentioned John Bolton, for example.

Again, here are links to Cain discussing foreign policy in interviews. I know Cain haters could care less, but hopefully it will show those who are serious about learning about Cain to see for themselves.

with Dick Morris - http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/herman-cain-interview-on-new-ideas-to-tame-iran-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/

Henry Kissinger who said he had talked to all the Candidates and only Cain was asking the right questions?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/282241/kissinger-digs-cain-s-brilliant-video-robert-costa

with Bill O’Reilly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJjAJeyYhAg

Cain’s Position on Israel: http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/28/the-u-s-must-stand-with-israel/

Summary of Foreign Policy Stance:
http://www.hermancain.com/the-issues

Values Voters Speech:
http://www.therightscoop.com/herman-cain-brings-the-house-down-at-values-voter-summit/

Seeing Green in Red China
December 3, 2005
By Herman Cain
http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-120305.asp

Back to Terrorism Reality: Islamic Fascists are the Enemy
July 9, 2007
By Herman Cain
http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-070907.asp

Anatomy of World War III
July 26, 2006
By Herman Cain

http://www.economicfreedomcoalition.com/news/press-opinion-072606.asp

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Statements specifically on Libya:

Presser
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJylwgRHrgQ

South Carolina FOX debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWX8lckeH38&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL0CC93A67FC94A391

CBS debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s2eMm1rgdo


86 posted on 11/16/2011 9:22:11 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Jonty30
What?

You mean you don't want to vote for someone and just guess what their foreign policy might be by the person they choose as their adviser?

But! But! But! Hope and change can mean anything you want it to mean. OH wait.

87 posted on 11/16/2011 9:22:30 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: samtheman

Nice phony argument dude. Not engaging it sorry


88 posted on 11/16/2011 9:23:18 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: LADY J
Surely you are ignorant or naive. Even Michelle Bachmann has bettered her knowledge in foreign affairs is less time than Cain. Cain has been too busy selling his book and touring around on his popularity parade.

For some reason he sees no reason do do the necessary home work and learn about how Government operates.

89 posted on 11/16/2011 9:23:22 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: IMR 4350

:)

What matters to me is the value system they hold dear. If they are really conservative, they will make their decisions along conservative lines.


90 posted on 11/16/2011 9:23:41 AM PST by Jonty30
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To: over3Owithabrain

I wasn’t arguing, just asking.

You don’t want to answer, that’s fine.

By not answering, you make my point.


91 posted on 11/16/2011 9:24:18 AM PST by samtheman
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To: altura
Even from Politico this is pretty damn....

Stooooooooopid, and so are you.

92 posted on 11/16/2011 9:27:51 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: LADY J

Well, Lady J, except for Michele Bachmann none of the candidates are Washington insiders who sit in on the briefings.

You might call it refreshing that Cain admits his ignorance on these things rather than trying to fake it, or you might call it disquieting that he doesn’t seem to know even as much as the average citizen who is interested in foreign policy.

If I know more about Libya than one of the candidates, it’s pretty scary.


93 posted on 11/16/2011 9:28:30 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wha??
Keeping digging the hole, Herman.


94 posted on 11/16/2011 9:29:48 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: kevkrom

Good post, but I’m not sure Cain is the man we should trust to pull the trigger so to speak.


95 posted on 11/16/2011 9:30:01 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: samtheman

There are some folks on FR who have legitimate criticisms of Cain, based on facts. Heck, there are things I disagree with Cain about (which hasn’t even come up on FR yet LOL)

But what is going on here is piling on based on questionable new sources. Do you vet your candidates based on liberal news sources? What do you think people’s impression of Palin was ONLY from liberal news sources? Was that a fair vetting???

What about judging a candidate by their own words and writings, by what others say about them? In Cain’s case, I link all the time to facts, words directly from Cain, 6 years worth of Cain commentary, books, speeches. There is another 4 years of his show podcasts - 10 hours/week of Cain talking about the issues. There is also his track record in business, as well as testimonials and references from those working with him.

Add to that some common sense when vetting - do you really believe Cain could be an idiot and been as successful as he was?

The people here piling on Cain have not taken time to vet him AT ALL. Jumping on the latest liberal talking point is NOT vetting.


96 posted on 11/16/2011 9:31:36 AM PST by justsaynomore (http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

What part of this is not true?

“... presidential candidates don’t need to be immersed in the fine print of world affairs - they simply need to be leaders who can surround themselves with the right people and sift through their advice.”

I want a wise man or woman as president. I don’t what a know-it-all. A wise man knows that they need wise counsel.


97 posted on 11/16/2011 9:32:58 AM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Another blatant display of diarrhea of the mouth from Cain.

Now it Perry had said anything of the kind here, we would have at least a week of threads ranting and raving at how stupid and unworthy he is. Double standards are like that though.

________________________________

You beat me to it. If that had been Rick Perry who said that the Cain fanatics would crucify him.

.


98 posted on 11/16/2011 9:34:20 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: samtheman

>>So come up to the lab and see what’s on the slab. I see you shiver with anticipation.<<

You’ve found the Reagan clone???


99 posted on 11/16/2011 9:34:41 AM PST by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: altura
Good post, but I’m not sure Cain is the man we should trust to pull the trigger so to speak.

I remain decidedly unconvinced about the field as a whole (minus my absolute stand against Romney). But I'm going to point out when folks are right, when they're wrong, and when they're getting a raw deal.

100 posted on 11/16/2011 9:35:00 AM PST by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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