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Rasmussen poll shows Gingrich with double-digit lead in Iowa
Hot Air ^ | 11/17/2011 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 11/17/2011 10:58:22 AM PST by TBBT

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To: DarthVader

Oh - if you were referring to those who do not vote at all, I misunderstood and withdraw my comment. God would have to change my mind for me to vote for Gingrich. He is quite capable of doing that, if I pay attention.


101 posted on 11/17/2011 1:16:34 PM PST by Ingtar
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To: Ingtar

I must certainly meant that and I believe He could change any of our minds. I exhort you to get out and get active our nation depends on it. Bring your friends and family along too. Too many Christians just wring their hands and expect perfection from others that they themselves fall short of themselves. Getting active politically at the grass roots party is a good thing because you can have a great effect on elections in your state and get the best people. This political struggle is a war and it is time for us to get real tough and grind it out to get rid of these crooks.


102 posted on 11/17/2011 1:28:18 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: RitaOK; upsdriver
[Palin] is more than half the reason we are thought to be wild eyed and illiterate barbarians led by Neanderthals.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am. That a fellow Okie has swallowed the MSM propaganda hook, line and sinker is deeply embarrassing.

Do you really believe that Gov. Palin is a "Neanderthal"? And those who support her are "wild-eyed and illiterate barbarians"?

Is that what you really think of your fellow conservatives? If so, what the hell are you doing here?

103 posted on 11/17/2011 1:29:09 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: varina davis

Good.


104 posted on 11/17/2011 1:33:38 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Ingtar

You know what I pray for daily (in addition to my own discernment and obedience)? I pray that Americans-as individuals and as a people, a Nation—recognize and recoil in horror that we have become a people who act according their own understanding and seek their own ends and false idols.

I pray that, instead, we fall on our knees in awareness and confession, genuine repentance, asking forgiveness, and that we seek to know, love, and obey God. That we seek His will in our lives, and act accordingly.

That we, individually and as a people, become righteous in His eyes, so that it pleases Him to guide us, protect us, and prosper us.

Because He does not long do so for people who disregard, disdain, or deny Him.


105 posted on 11/17/2011 1:36:58 PM PST by JimInMO
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To: MNJohnnie

Stick a fork in Newt he is done.
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So Carnac the magnificent, does this put Cain as a shoe in?
Should Newt even bother running in Iowa?


106 posted on 11/17/2011 1:43:08 PM PST by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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107 posted on 11/17/2011 1:47:41 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: stars & stripes forever

10 REASONS WHY CAIN IS ABLE


One reason why he’s not...check out his stint as Chairman of the compensation committee for Aquila Corp, partner company of Enron. As the 75 year old company was run into the ground, Cain authorized payment of $30MM bonuses to 5 executives and 30 days later, 500 employees were laid off.

See page 83 of class action-
https://motherjones.com/files/1232_cid_3_amended_consolidated_complaint.pdf


108 posted on 11/17/2011 1:53:11 PM PST by sanjuanbob (Festina Lente)
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To: DarthVader
"Christians will be held accountable for staying home by God in this election just as much as they were for pulling the lever for the Won in 2008. There is no copping out as He expects us to show a kind of resolve and courage that is not demonstrated by the world. As a body we still need to go to the polls and still vote for Senators/Congressman who can make a difference. You can always write in the POTUS candidate or leave it blank. The days of moral equivalence spoiled crybaby wimpdom are over."

Christians are NEVER expected to vote for evil. You're right about the duty to vote for the most honest folks available in other positions of office, so perhaps my use of the term "stay home" was incorrect.

I will never vote for Romney for president, period. I will write in a candidate if it comes to that. I will not vote for evil thinly disguised as good.

109 posted on 11/17/2011 2:01:18 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Double YAWN.


110 posted on 11/17/2011 2:03:59 PM PST by Sea Parrot (%)
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To: TBBT

111 posted on 11/17/2011 2:22:35 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: SENTINEL

We are on the same page about Myth Remulak and I will write in if he is on the ballot. We can still vote the undercard and empower the legislature to deal with OStinkBugula if he gets reelected.


112 posted on 11/17/2011 2:27:25 PM PST by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: federal__reserve

Respectfully disagree with: 1) the cartoon—is your opinion, and I have mine, and 2) your tagline kind of jumps in the middle of the problem.

Admittedly, job are very important! However, they don’t simply come about by government mandate or materialize out of thin air.

There needs to be a framework, consisitng of a series of coordinated financial policies which are consistent, dependable, and long-term. They need to significantly reduce the scope and breadth of government, reduce the cost of regulation and compliance, simplify and reduce taxation, and restore the implicit understanding of the need to work in order to provide for oneself.

Without comprensive action, any jobs created will quickly suffer the same fate as is the case now: way too much government, way too much spending, and too much reduction in the incentive to create more wealth.

My thoughts, anyway.


113 posted on 11/17/2011 2:36:41 PM PST by JimInMO
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To: ph12321

Your post deserves an answer because education & knowledge make better voters.

“1. He supported TARP”
TARP became necessary since banks were allowed to gamble on derivatives. Bubba Clinton & Robert Rubin were behind removing Glass-Steagall Act which separated investment and commercial banking activities. If so many major banks were allowed to implode, we would all be in a deep depression. It is akin to contacting a serious disease, when serious remedies is the only way out. It is of course better to avoid getting the disease in the first place. But once you contact the disease, you can’t just sit on your fanny because getting the disease was a bad thing.

“2. He endorsed Romney”
Endorsed for what? Cain is in it to win it. So your claim makes no sense.

“Issues 3,4”
Cain has explicitly stated “Life begins at conception”.
Cain backs DOMA 100%

“5. He is a flip-flopper on killing Al Awlaki”
Cain’s opinion is irrelevant since he did not have access
to CIA intelligence. I can’t recall Cain ever saying he is unhappy about Alwaki killing, unlike Ron Paul.

“6. He donated to Democrat politicians in Nebraska”
Welcome to the real world of Main Street. Every successful business donates to politicians who can affect their business. To do otherwise is both stupid and suicidal. I have to assume you never owned a large business.

“7. He has no voting record, so we don’t know which way he would on anything”
Any thinking person can surmise how Cain will act as president based on his thousands of speeches and his web site.

“8. He worked for the Fed”
That is good, so he is quite familiar with banking issues.
My hero is Paul Volcker who saved this country from galloping inflation and thus facilitated Reagan’s economic success. Volcker was Federal Reserve Chairman.

“9. He has high praise for Alan Greenspan”
The economy during Greenspan’s term was working just fine. Unemployment was low, dollar was strong, and Fed acted with much more transparency. If Cain had praise for Bernanke or Geithner, that would be a huge negative for me.

“10. He ripped people who opposed TARP as free market purists”
Read my explanation to item 1.


114 posted on 11/17/2011 2:57:42 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: JimInMO

Appreciate your thoughts and agree with much of them. Reason I am supporting Cain as first choice is mainly because he is the only one running who has successfully saved and created main street jobs. In Cain’s business world, there is no room for deficits or losses. That kills the business along with the jobs. Cain has worked in 3 major corporations in a very high level positions, and each one was a resounding success. I have to believe the man knows how to succeed.

In the end, I will support whoever wins the nomination. Right now in the primary season I am supporting who I think will be best for the country.


115 posted on 11/17/2011 3:09:11 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: federal__reserve

And, people certainly are entitled to their reasoned opinions and to come up with different answers and actions. We have done so.

The fact that we can have different understandings—and do it with civility—is appreciated.

Sad to say, it is not always thus . . . .


116 posted on 11/17/2011 3:16:16 PM PST by JimInMO
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To: TBBT

I’ll vote for Newt (most likely...in CA)...don’t mind if other folks Cain or any other conservative. I just don’t want Romney OR OBAMA!?


117 posted on 11/17/2011 3:58:35 PM PST by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Just imagine what they’ll run against Cain. /s


118 posted on 11/17/2011 4:23:20 PM PST by newzjunkey (Republicans will find a way to reelect Obama and Speaker Pelosi.)
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To: TBBT; All

the talk he gave in Iowa last month -

http://www.newt.org/news/video-newt-gingrich-speaks-iowa-faith-and-freedom-coalition-banquet

I hope we will stop the circular firing squads.

We are in the fight of our life. We don’t have the ammunition to waste on each other....


119 posted on 11/17/2011 4:39:58 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Why I prefer Newt over Cain. The following issues concern me

Cain’s Wife Voted Democrat and YES! FLOTUS play a role in America’s lifestyle or politics
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cain-Wife-Votes-Democrat/2011/11/04/id/416931

Cain “would have no problem hiring an OPENLY Gay staffer

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/herman-cain-id-hire-an-openly-gay-staffer/

Questionable donations

In 1993, Cain donated $250 to New York Rep. Jose Serrano (D), according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Many consider Serrano one of Congress’ most outspoken defenders of Latin American dictators like Fidel Castro and Hugo Chávez.

When he was the president of Nebraska-based Godfather’s Pizza, Cain primarily donated to Republican candidates, but he also provided financial support to a Democrats.

“They were business decisions and personal decisions,” Cain said in an interview published last week by Yahoo News.

Cain defended the donations, saying that the beneficiaries were “moderate” Democrats. But when it comes to Latin American politics, Serrano is far from “moderate.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/280470/cains-past-donations-democrats-katrina-trinko

Cain considered voting for Obama in 2008 but instead voted for Romney

In 2008, Cain was asked if he could support Obama for President. He said he could envision doing just that if he would agree to work across the aisle. Really, now. With all we knew about Obama, would any of us have even gave this any thought? Yet a conservative who was intending on running for President would. I hear his supporters say he was proud a black man was going to be President. What happened to “I’m not a black man.” “I’m not an African American”. “I’m a conservative.”
Now in this race, he said he supports Romney. And all indications are that he is doing just that.

CAIN said he would surround himself with top notch advisors...in that case he needs to get rid of Brazil ASAP! http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20111116_Key_figure_in_Philly_bugging_probe_now_top_Cain_aide.html

Cain also made “false allegations,” against the Perry campaign accusing him of being behind the “false allegations,” on HIM.

Enterprise Zones...

Detroit would pay 3 3 3 instead of 9 9 9

His plan, however, was a significant adjustment from how it was initially proposed. In an interview last week, he suggested some leeway to boost economic development. For instance, taxes in struggling areas could be set at 3-3-3 rates, 3 percent in each category.
“Because you have a lot of African-Americans located in cities like Detroit — disproportionately — it would encourage businesses to stay in business there or to move there,” Cain told CNN. “It would encourage people to work there, because if you live in the empowerment zone, you’re going to pay a smaller percentage in taxes.”

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111021/POLITICS03/110210417/Cain-proposes-to-help-‘empowerment-zones’-such-as-Detroit#ixzz1e0V43lAW

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear or pay Duties in another. So, what part of Article 1, Section 9, Clause 6 does Herman Cain not understand?

And if Article 1, Section 9. Clause 6 is not clear enough for Mr. Cain to understand the founder‘s intentions, and that our federal government is one of defined and limited powers, what part of Federalist No. 45 does Mr. Cain not understand which summarizes our federal government’s job as follows?

“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.

The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

Cain’s proposal on empowerment zones is unconstitutional and violates the 10th ammendment..

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.

Finally, if the above has not sent the message to Mr. Cain that his proposal is tyranny with a smiley-face, then perhaps Herman ought to read what our Supreme Court stated shortly after the Tenth Amendment was adopted

The government of the United States is of the latter description. The powers of the legislature are defined and limited; and that those limits may not be mistaken or forgotten, the constitution is written. To what purpose are powers limited, and to what purpose is that limitation committed to writing; if these limits may, at any time, be passed by those intended to be restrained? The distinction between a government with limited and unlimited powers is abolished, if those limits do not confine the persons on whom they are imposed, and if acts prohibited and acts allowed are of equal obligation. It is a proposition too plain to be contested, that the constitution controls any legislative act repugnant to it; or, that the legislature may alter the constitution by an ordinary act.

Between these alternatives there is no middle ground. The constitution is either a superior, paramount law, unchangeable by ordinary means, or it is on a level with ordinary legislative acts, and like other acts, is alterable when the legislature shall please to alter it.

If the former part of the alternative be true, then a legislative act contrary to the constitution is not law: if the latter part be true, then written constitutions are absurd attempts, on the part of the people, to limit a power in its own nature illimitable.

Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently the theory of every such government must be, that an act of the legislature repugnant to the constitution is void. ____ MARBURY v. MADISON, 5 U.S. 137 (1803)

9% Individual Flat Tax. http://www.hermancain.com/999

•Gross income less charitable deductions.
•Empowerment Zones will offer ADDITIONAL DEDUCTIONS for those living and/or working in the zone.


120 posted on 11/17/2011 5:02:32 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: MNJohnnie; All

Little Jojnnie One Note repeats his Newt bashing - and repeats and repeats and repeats. Doesn’t miss a thread. Doesn’t mind repeating half truths and disinformation.

R little jonnie and the other bashers - Go ahead and knock Newt - or any of the candidates.

But then, give us the largess of your wisdom and tell which candidate CAN now beat both obama and the media - AND WHY.

Otherwise, maybe go do some research so you CAN...

Start with each of the leaders plans for running the country. look at their web sites... Try to be honest with yourself. Go ahead, give it a try. It’s only our country’s very survival that is at steak...

Maybe you could forgo one episode of ‘Dancing With the Stars” and do some research...

“He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help” Abraham Lincoln


121 posted on 11/17/2011 5:42:52 PM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: varina davis
Perry is not “washed up” and out of money. He just know how to spend it more wisely than the other candidates. He will come from behind and soon.

We've been hearing for weeks and weeks about how Perry is going to make a come back. Where is this comeback? Has anybody told Perry that the primaries are six weeks away??

Let me back up - why do you think Perry dropped so much?
122 posted on 11/17/2011 7:07:37 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

“Let me back up - why do you think Perry dropped so much?”

IMHO, I don’t think it’s so much that he “dropped” as it is that the media is once again trying to choose a GOP candidate for voters. The left is scared to death of an authentic macho type male with military service, a long record of getting things done and winning elections.

The fact that he is plain spoken, can laugh at himself and has a sense of humor makes him even more dangerous to the self-annointed liberal “intellectuals.”

His so-called “gaffs” are minor league compared to those of Obama and some of the other GOP candidates.

As far as the polls go, there is a history of surprises in Iowa and New Hampshire on elections days. Folks don’t always tell pollsters what they really believe.


123 posted on 11/17/2011 8:57:07 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: varina davis
IMHO, I don’t think it’s so much that he “dropped”

If he didn't drop, then what do you call it when he goes from consistently hitting 20%-30% in the polling down to 6%-10%?

as it is that the media is once again trying to choose a GOP candidate for voters.

Are you saying the media convinced Conservatives to leave Perry? Most Conservatives I know certainly don't let the media dictate their choices. So who are these people that the media convinced to stop supporting Perry?

Plus, the media went after Cain a lot harder with the Gloria Allred crap than they ever went after Perry, and Cain didn't drop down to single digits. Perry's treatment by the media wasn't nearly as brutal as Cain's treatment by the media.

Folks don’t always tell pollsters what they really believe.

So you're saying there is a group of Perry supporters who are pretending to support anybody but Perry? How does that help Rick Perry?
124 posted on 11/17/2011 9:58:57 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Uh oh. I fell for that one. Thought you were seriously asking for my opinion. Goodnight.


125 posted on 11/17/2011 10:07:14 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: varina davis
Uh oh. I fell for that one. Thought you were seriously asking for my opinion. Goodnight.

You didn't fall for anything, I asked you some very simple questions, and I'll restate them in a more simple fashion:

Do you really believe the media caused Conservatives to leave Perry?

If so, why was the media unable to get Conservatives to leave Cain in similar numbers after the Gloria Allred crap?

Finally, do you believe that there are Rick Perry supporters who are unwilling to admit to pollsters that they support Rick Perry?
126 posted on 11/17/2011 10:24:58 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: oh8eleven

http://townhall.com/columnists/peterferrara/2011/11/18/newt_checks_and_balances_liberal_judges

Please read. Here’s a man who knows how to get this country back to what it once was...


127 posted on 11/18/2011 4:30:17 AM PST by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: Mechanicos
ALL public polls are for profit marketing tools to manipulate. They have no laws to ensure they are not manipulated, no real penalty for lying. Think for yourselves. IGNORE all of them!

Pollsters become credible to conservatives when ones own conservative candidate leads in the pollster's poll. It's at that point, when the "paid for" pollster becomes "credible", that the pollster knocks down the conservative and delivers the RINO.

Oh Bachmann is surging...Oh never mind.

Oh Perry leads....Oh never mind.

Oh Cain is running away with it...Oh never mind.

Oh here comes the partime conservative, Newt. Does anybody want to gues how long his surge will last?

By the time the primaries roll around, with their "credibility" intact, the pollster will deliver the balls-to-the-wall RINO, Romney.

Mark my words.

128 posted on 11/18/2011 8:38:49 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: af_vet_rr

1. yes — certainly in part

2. Many did leave Cain — thus his drop in the polls

3. Absolutely


129 posted on 11/18/2011 9:21:07 AM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: RitaOK
” RUN SARAH RUN!! “ <<<

OMG. Puhleeeze, make it STOP. Suicide is NOT an option. Enough already!!!! She is more than half the reason we are thought to be wild eyed and illiterate barbarians led by Neanderthals. Good grief, I need a lemon to cleanse the palate. We pulled the fork out of that one quite some time back. All the world watched. Done.

Here. Use this. :)

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130 posted on 11/18/2011 9:32:32 AM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

You’re the best. Thanks.


131 posted on 11/18/2011 12:04:06 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen is the polling standard who owns the record on accuracy.)
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To: varina davis
1. yes — certainly in part

2. Many did leave Cain — thus his drop in the polls

3. Absolutely


1 - If you believe the media drove Conservatives away from Perry, that would mean that you believe the media influences Conservatives, and I just do not see that. The Conservatives I know do not listen to the MSM.

2 - Some left Cain, but not nearly in the numbers that folks left Perry. The allegations against Cain were far more serious than the media mocking Perry's debate prowess. If the media had the kind of influence on Conservatives you seem to think it does, Cain should be polling around Perry's numbers, but he's not, not even close. Cain is still firmly in the first tier of candidates while Perry remains in the second tier.

3 - If you believe that there are Rick Perry supporters who are covering up their support for Rick Perry, don't you think they are doing Perry harm by doing so? Perry having such low numbers creates the impression that he's a has-been and that impression does not help him with six weeks to go until the first primary.
132 posted on 11/18/2011 1:51:32 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: FreeReign
By the time the primaries roll around, with their "credibility" intact, the pollster will deliver the balls-to-the-wall RINO, Romney.

The problem with that thinking is two-fold.

First, the media has been unable to help Romney. His numbers have not moved up like the media had hoped. What you see as far as his supporters is what you get. All it's going to take is for a few of the second tier candidates to drop and you'll see somebody consistently passing up Romney.

Second, the Tea Party movement. Romney cannot counter the Tea Party movement.
133 posted on 11/18/2011 1:54:47 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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