Skip to comments.Moscow fleshes out “Eurasian Union” plans
Posted on 11/17/2011 6:42:12 PM PST by Olog-hai
Experts close to the Kremlin have put some flesh on a recent project of Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to create a "Eurasian Union" made up of Russia and other post-Soviet states.
Putin, who is expected to again become Russia's president next year, outlined his geopolitical ambitions, according to a report in the daily Izvestia.
A round table in Moscow, organized by the ruling United Russia part, put flesh on those ideas, the Russian media reported today (17 October).
Apart from countries of the former USSR, the "Eurasian Union" should bring together nations that are historically or culturally close to Russia and that are "loyal to Russia's interests", the experts said.
Russian political scientist Dmitry Orlov indicated that those countries should include Finland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Mongolia, Vietnam and Bulgaria, as well as two countries not in either Europe or Asia, Cuba and Venezuela.
Meksat Kunakunov, counselor to the president of the parliament of Kyrgyzstan, quoted Putin as saying: "Whoever doesn't regret the USSR has no heart. Whoever dreams of bringing back the USSR has no brains". And he added on his own behalf: "Whoever doubts that we will create a new union is just a fool".
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Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
And we all luv BB.
But they have no interest in being dominated by them ever again...that was strictly an arfitact of WWII.
And they all remember Jan Masaryk.
Yeah? Japan likes selling Toyotas in Russia too.
Uhh...the Czechs like selling Skodas in Russia
They'd better listen to their president Vaclav Klaus then. It seems like they're being forced to choose between Russia and Germany again.
But they have no interest in being dominated by them ever again
At least the Russians understand the Poles want no part of it.
It looks like this is the reason Pooty came out of retirement, namely, to bring about a de facto Soviet Union, Castro and all.
Time to dust off the old “duck and cover?”
“We’re putting the band back together.”
Yeah, “...and putting it back on the road.”
Russians never sought to preserve the Soviet Union by force. But they have always lamented its passing. No one in Russia dreams of reviving the USSR but yes - some closer union of ex-Soviet states is inevitable.
I think they do want the revive The Russian Empire.
Hardly. The Eurasian Union will be a formidable rival to the EU.
In 20 years, we will see whether Europe ends at the Urals or whether it stretches to the Pacific.
But Europe has to resolve its economic problems first before that can happen.
"Soviets" certainly didmeaning people like Putin. Remember the false demonym "Soviet People"?
Russians never sought to preserve the Soviet Union by force
Don't say "no one". The same thing under a different name is still the same thing.
No one in Russia dreams of reviving the USSR
Russia is the largest country in the world even after the Soviet collapse. It will play a leading role in Europe now that Europe is broke. Russian leaders have been fiscally responsible and that is why to Russia’s neighbors, this Union is an attractive proposition. Its not based on imperialism or force bur on common interests. The Russian Empire cannot be recreated. Russia has neither the desire nor the strength to play colonial politics. With its strong economy, it can now wield influence by other means and they are certainly considerable.
They even had a show about that.
And how is the Soviet Union going to be resurrected when the new union based on a free market economy and open trade? No one is talking of going back to the days of Communism, of rationing, of closed borders and isolation from the rest of the world. Socialism has no future anywhere on this planet.
Now just what do you think you're saying . . . ?? Mr. Re-Centralization and Mr. Kick-Out-The-USA, for open trade and free market? Shirley you jest, yes? That's like thinking that the EU is for a free market, when their treaties clearly state that the EU's market is a social market economy.
And how is the Soviet Union going to be resurrected when the new union based on a free market economy and open trade?
No, they're talking about going back to the days of imperialism. And it's looking more fascistic than communistic over there.
No one is talking of going back to the days of Communism
That's not what Pooty-poot or the elites in the EU think. You need to listen to what they're saying.
Socialism has no future anywhere on this planet
Europe is not really broke. The dictating country (Germany) is bullying its vassal countries to conform to the impossible-to-conform-to Stability And Growth Pact and its draconian requirement to hold debt spending down to 3 percent of GDP. (Hypocritical Germany has kept their debt spending at 6 percent of GDP.)
Russia is the largest country in the world even after the Soviet collapse. It will play a leading role in Europe now that Europe is broke
Oh, thy trollface peeketh out.
The Russian Empire cannot be recreated. Russia has neither the desire nor the strength to play colonial politics
The EU has spent itself into bankruptcy.
Its a lesson for Russia and its potential partners in what not to do.
The truth is whether its managed from Brussels or Moscow - coerced integration won’t work.
We’ll see how long the EU Commissar appointed regimes in Athens and Rome last.
Imperialism died with with the unnatural division of Europe that ended in 1989. It would be a fool’s dream to restore it from either end of the European Continent.
The southern European countries are over-leveraged.
The Germans may decide not to bail them out. German trade with Russia is on the increase.
Since you mentioned it, Putin hosted a conference with German businessmen the other day in Moscow.
His country scrimped and saved to become the power its today.
The subtext of his message was clear: you want to bail out Greece and Italy? Go ahead. Or you can invest with us and see your profits grow!
For Germany, the decision will not be a hard one. Not to throw German euros down the bottomless pit of Athens and Rome.
They may very well cooperate with Russia’s new Union.
Russian women have as many as 7 abortions. The population of Russia is dropping so quickly that Mark Steyn in his book, America Alone, predicted the Chinese will simply march over the border of Siberia and annex the incredibly resource-rich land. In the meantime, the Russians speak of new glory days...
as long as it only contains countries east of moscow...
leave the baltics, poland, belorus, and ukrain out of it.
That chinese march won’t happen for another 25 years...then 25 years after that, the chinese will be facing the EXACT SAME POPULATION CRISIS. The pakistanis will probably end up owning all of asia.
Sounds like the Asian co-prosperity sphere. A new name for an old thing—A Russian Empire. Beware the two headed eagle! It will help Russia and maybe the former states—and may add some new states as well (north Korea?).
I thought that's what China was doing.
Evidence now suggests that the Muslim birth rate in the M.E. is falling also. We are approaching a period when “replacement levels” are falling globally. You are right that China is in the same position albeit a generation later, but Russia has hit the wall and so has all of Europe. So, building relationships with states that cannot replace their own populations is quite a fool’s errand.
Never fear, the japs are building robots...which will save the western world from the unwashed hordes!
Figuring which routes the tanks will take.
You need to preach to the ones holding the power, because they seem to have beliefs in diametric opposition to yours in this respect. You're not counting on how complicit Europeans (as diverse a group as they are) can be with authoritarian regimes; they haven't unlearned that by themselves, and didn't get themselves out from under without the force of the Allies.
The EU has spent itself into bankruptcy. Its a lesson for Russia and its potential partners in what not to do. The truth is whether its managed from Brussels or Moscow - coerced integration wont work. Well see how long the EU Commissar appointed regimes in Athens and Rome last. Imperialism died with with the unnatural division of Europe that ended in 1989. It would be a fools dream to restore it from either end of the European Continent
You are rewriting history, sir. Are you a liberal?
The southern European countries are over-leveraged. The Germans may decide not to bail them out. German trade with Russia is on the increase. Since you mentioned it, Putin hosted a conference with German businessmen the other day in Moscow. His country scrimped and saved to become the power its today. The subtext of his message was clear: you want to bail out Greece and Italy? Go ahead. Or you can invest with us and see your profits grow! For Germany, the decision will not be a hard one. Not to throw German euros down the bottomless pit of Athens and Rome. They may very well cooperate with Russias new Union.
I have been posting about this here for years. Neo-Eurasianism is huge in Russia and is very far-right. Fascist.
It also hates the West, meaning us. A man named Alexsandr Dugin is very popular on television in Russia and is one of the main proponents of this geopolitical strategy. It is a revival from a similar popular approach in Russia back in the time of around 1920 or so.
And I did spend some time exploring the actual writings and websites for Dugin - it is very sad. The last line in the article above is spot on.
Sounds exactly like what Putin’s been building. The “Nashi” is but one public facet of it.
But it will be different from the USSR. I was looking just now for the actual geographic lines they were using originally in the plan and could not find them yet. I believe Iran and Turkey were to be included at the beginning.
Also there was a Brit named Mackinder who was in on the first Eurasianism. I think he had something to do with the lines that were drawn. I used to be really into this but it has been years.
Dugin is an Old Believer, a sect that split from Russian Orthodoxy in the time of Peter the Great. I am Eastern Orthodox in my faith so there was much interest on my part..
It is really a far right movement, very fascist in nature and about restricting freedoms in society. I believe it was them who threw Soros out of Russia, for instance.
There are some scary you tube videos about America being a great satan. Gee, who does that remind you of?
Anyway I used to spend time in Russia but have been afraid to return there for many years now.
The people to seriously pray for right now are the poor Georgians. They will fight being returned to Russian rule and God only knows if we will help them again, as President Bush did.
"The Russian book-market is flooded with anti-liberal pamphlets outlining fantastic conspiracy theories, bizarre visions of Russian rebirth, and apocalyptic world views."
" The, perhaps, most prolific of this class of commentators is Dr Aleksandr Dugin (b. 1962) who is active in both book publishing and TV production. Dugin has transformed himself from a lunatic fringe figure openly admitting his sympathies for various permutations of inter-war fascism in the 1990s to a radically centrist Putin-supporter and well-regarded guest commentator in mainstream Russian mass media. Apart from his increasingly frequent participation in talk shows on Russias most important TV channels ORT, RTR and NTV, Dugin also hosts his own political programme Vekhi [Signposts] transmitted via Russias new Orthodox TV channel Spas [Saviour]an odd phenomenon in view of Dugins praise for West European occultism and Satanism during the 1990s. He is also a frequent contributor to various radio programs as well as such newspapers as Rossiiskaya gazeta, Literaturnaya gazeta, Krasnaya zvezda, etc."
This continues to fascinate me because the Eastern Orthodox in general do believe in a sort of rebirth of Mother Russia as an Orthodox country. Goes back to a monk/Saint by the name of St Seraphim...but I think it has been hijacked by Dugin into a hateful thing instead.
And the thing about this which fascinates me is the coincidence of yet another supposedly spiritual man coming from a dark place into the upper echelon of the country and making it dark. Like a return of Rasputin.
You will have to share with me the EU interference in the Balkans part..
"By using its energy and economic leverage, Moscow is systematically destroying the foundation of the Euro Atlantic solidarity, tries to eliminate the United States from the European Security System by taking advantage of the manifestation of Eurocontinentalism, and seeks to broaden its impact on the western part of rimland and get back the control over the former republics of the USSR."
Let Latvia and Lithuania take note, and with emphasis on the use of energy and economic leverage...remember how they cut off Ukraine and the pipeline that was blown up supplying Georgia.
If you mean Slavophile tendencies in Russia, they pre date Communism. Russians have always a certain inferiority complex with foreigners.
They were never really a part of the West.
I’m not a liberal.
Let’s be clear the European project is on the verge of collapse.
If Germany is all that holds Europe together, there is no Europe.
All this talk of an equal concert of nations is fallacious rubbish.
The Euro crisis exposed it.
And of course with the Eurasian Union, Russian will be the dominant member.
There is no such thing as absolute equality in international relations. This is one of the lessons of history we would all do well to learn.
The Russian elite converted to Russian Orthodoxy. As far as one can tell, they are sincere Christians.
But we won’t probably like the way they articulate Russian values at home and abroad.
Between the party of power - United Russia - and the Communist-led opposition, there is not much for Russian voters to choose in next month’s State Duma elections.
There is the Commonwealth Of Independent States, the successor to the USSR which includes all but the Baltic Republics and Georgia. It was founded more than 20 years ago next month, when Russia, Belarus and Ukraine signed the Belovezha Agreement that dissolved the USSR and simultaneously created the CIS. On December 25, 1991, the USSR disappeared forever. Its still a great day to remember and I was thinking back then the Soviet Union was indestructible and as eternal as the Egyptian pyramids and it crumbled just like that - I never believed it would happen in my lifetime. If I am asked, no I do not miss the Soviet Union and no sane person would shed tears at the demise of the Evil Empire.
They’re going to be the payback for Ziggy to us.
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