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Gingrich: The phony intellectual
washingtonpost.com ^ | 11/17/2011 | Jennifer Rubin

Posted on 11/18/2011 1:32:48 AM PST by federal__reserve

And there is Gingrich the liberal. “The liberal revulsion toward him obscured how unorthodox — occasionally, how liberal — his conservatism was. The books then and now are full of heresy. He showed a willingness to criticize other Republicans, even Reagan at the height of his popularity. He advocated a health tax on alcohol to discourage drinking — social engineering, it’s called — and imagined government-issued credit cards that would allow citizens to order goods and services directly from the feds. He thought the government should run nutritional programs at grocery stores and give away some foodstuffs free. He was pushing cuts in the defense budget in 1984 and a prototype of President Obama’s cash-for-clunkers program in 1995.”What is noteworthy is not only how liberal are his prescriptions, but how mundanely statist they are.

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I am well aware Jennifer Rubin is a liberal. In this article she is basically regurgitating what Andy Ferguson wrote in Weekly Standard after reading all 21 of Gingrich's books. Something about Gingrich did not smell right to me, but if what is said in this article can not be disputed, conservatives should take cover.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 1:32:49 AM PST by federal__reserve
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http://www.salon.com/2011/03/08/gingrich_divorce_hospital_cancer/

The anecdote was repeated ad nauseam when Gingrich became House speaker in 1995. Then it was repeated ad nauseam
when he filed for divorce with his second wife, Marianne, in 1999.
The story came up again in the mid-2000s when Gingrich was openly mulling a 2008 presidential bid.
In 2007, when Gingrich told James Dobson in a radio interview that he had in the 1990s cheated
on his second wife (with his current wife, Callista), several stories about the admission also noted the 1980 hospital encounter.

If Gingrich is really serious about a 2012 candidacy, expect the hospital story to stay with him throughout the campaign.

http://www.salon.com/2011/05/13/gingrich_cancer_divorce_daughter/


2 posted on 11/18/2011 1:56:35 AM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Gingrich is too much of a loose cannon to be liked by either side of the aisle.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 2:04:26 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I can’t forget Gingrich using the phrase, “right wing social engineering” when discussing Paul Ryan’s proposal last summer. It was a hideously stupid phrase to use. I was wondering if Gingrich would next be taking Republicans to task for supporting “right wing activist” judges.

“Social engineering” is, by its very nature, left wing just as “judicial activism” is, by its very nature, also left wing. Using the words “right wing” in conjunction with the word “activism” makes no sense whatsoever and only serves to create the false dichotomy the left has been trying to fabricate (without much success) for years.

“Right wing social engineering” holds no more meaning than “choclate-flavored solar flare”.

Yeah, something doesn’t quite smell right about Gingrich.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 2:11:23 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: federal__reserve

None are perfect. I’d vote Ron Paul if I could appoint his SecState/Def. Congress must be the key, not which R is in the White House. tagline....


5 posted on 11/18/2011 2:21:43 AM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"Yeah, something doesn’t quite smell right about Gingrich"

I agree, however don't look for the MSM to report much at this time. They are salivating that he gets the nomination.
Then hide & watch it won't be pretty.
If NEWTIE gets the nomination we are screwed with another 4 years of the Kenyan buffoon.

6 posted on 11/18/2011 2:22:22 AM PST by DeaconRed (My Hat Don't Hang on the same Nail to Long. I am a CAT adjuster.)
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To: federal__reserve

I’ve had my doubts about Grinch going all the way back to the Government shutdown during the Clinton years. I agreed with the policy at the time, but there were a number of other weird things about him. His off-again, on-again catfight with Clinton — which he always came out of worse for wear..., various other rumors...

As President, no... I just can’t make the picture.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 2:23:13 AM PST by Ronin (If we were serious about using the death penalty as a deterrent, we would bring back public hangings)
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To: federal__reserve
I am well aware Jennifer Rubin is a liberal.

Actually, she isn't. She may not be as conservative as most on this site, but she has done some significant conservative reporting (click here).

As for Newt, he's an interesting combination of political fire-breather, policy wonk, and nerd goofball. Sometimes all three personae are evident at once. He's at his best exchanging well-aimed shots with pompous liberals (like his encounter with Scott Pelley at last weekend's debate) and at his worst regurgitating idiotic management-Newspeak ("lean six-sigma"). He tends to react before he thinks everything through. Christopher Hitchens (of all people) pegged him best when he said that he thought that Newt has about 200 ideas per week, of which about 100 may be good ones.

His current ascendency in the polls is a reflection of the relative weakness of his competitors, not of his own personal political strength. He will fade back into the pack, as many others have before him.

9 posted on 11/18/2011 2:34:45 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: federal__reserve

Paid $37 million from health care companies
Still Advocates for a Healthcare Mandate
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2809303/posts


10 posted on 11/18/2011 3:01:22 AM PST by Fred (no job no house no gas no food no problem Obama 2012)
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To: Cincinatus
He will fade back into the pack, as many others have before him.

I wouldn't be so sure. If I could make a guess, the single most important quality that people are looking for in a candidate is leadership, and that is something Gingrich is displaying above all the others. That's why he's rising and others are falling. Newt can handle himself in pretty much any situation. He's intelligent, knowledgeable, and can think quickly on his feet, and people are responding to this because he's deliberately making it known.

I wouldn't make the mistake in dismissing him so quickly.

11 posted on 11/18/2011 3:06:41 AM PST by csense
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To: federal__reserve

Welcome to FR. Enjoy your short stay here.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 3:46:41 AM PST by Reagan69 (I supported Sarah Palin and all I got was a lousy DVD !)
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To: Voter#537

Oh poor obummer supporters, what ya gonna do? Newt has ya as nervous as wh—es in church.

Your boy obummer is gonna be history in 2012 and you know it and you just don’t know how to stop it. Bring on the mud, we got plenty of water.


13 posted on 11/18/2011 4:25:35 AM PST by swampfox101
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To: truthfreedom

Please read:

http://townhall.com/columnists/peterferrara/2011/11/18/newt_checks_and_balances_liberal_judges


14 posted on 11/18/2011 4:31:53 AM PST by nikos1121 (Stand up is hard if you're not funny.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Gingrich the grinch is a consumate cockblocking whore.

He only occupies debates and is a paper gangster.

OWS is the true mirror trashy alter ego of Congress.

They occupy and they play with their own minds,
in pseudo-optimism, getting way ahead of themselves
in “super-programs” and spendings, very college like seupid ego know it all.

Gingrich liberalness is typical of those who cannot
fathom they are not needed for 99.99% of the
jobs being done out there. They are irrelevant and cry for it without
even trying a real job, too cowardly, arrogant and corrupt.

A head of state should worry more about the morality
and discipline of his government workers and calm their
interventionist zeal.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 4:47:45 AM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: chiller

Great tagline.

I defer to Gingrich as a terrific historian and his grasp on foreign affairs but I don’t see him at the top of a ticket. Ron Paul has a better grasp of the markets and Federal reserve but his defense posture is lunacy. I haven’t heard him address corruption. In fact, I’ve not heard any of the candidates address market corruption or the market/Wall Street cronyism. Maybe Michelle Bachman did and I missed it.

2012 is going to be much more than who is President. I’ll be doing my part to elect a new Senator in my state (Pa.) and see that Congressmen and women in my district are those that are willing to change the status quo.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 4:56:18 AM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: federal__reserve

Jennifer Rubin is, I think, the one they had on Fox News all- stars. And who attempted to debate Charles K on Iran. She is as dumb as a rock, actually used the word “gazillion” in her debate. You should have seen the expression on K’s face - priceless. She is your typical lib journolist, all chutzpah and no brain.


17 posted on 11/18/2011 5:00:15 AM PST by gramho12
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To: federal__reserve

The WAPO Romney advocate stiles again.


18 posted on 11/18/2011 5:01:32 AM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: chiller
I’d vote Ron Paul if if he's the nominee against 0. You cannot get worse that 0. Having 0 as president is not that much different than having Hugo Chavez as president. Thank God for the Constitution (and Dubya's judges).
19 posted on 11/18/2011 5:06:10 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Timber Rattler
Timber Rattler
Since Nov 2, 2011

THE NEWT GINGRICH TRUTH FILE (for those FReepers with short memories!)

For newbies with even shorter memories ...

20 posted on 11/18/2011 5:29:17 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: federal__reserve; P-Marlowe; wmfights; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; wagglebee; narses; Buggman

This is all crazy. Gingrich has made it fairly clear that he was a “futurist conservative.” What futurists do is spout ideas of what “could” be.

Just because I have an idea does not mean I am advocating it. It means I’m throwing it out there for discussion.

It’s almost like brainstorming. The neat thing about throwing every idea out for discussion is that the process of analysis might actually lead to a derivative idea that will really work.

I don’t know if its apocryphal, but I think I remember that Edison had over a 1000 iterations of the light bulb before he hit the right combination.

What if he’d stopped on idea #1 and said that it doesn’t work?

Here’s an idea about abortion: classify all abortions as homicides. Then allow the facts of the case to determine if it was justifiable, accidental, negligent, intentional, etc. Then charge accordingly.

What will actually happen in the future? I think the forces of life are beginning to turn the corner with more Americans rejecting abortion except for extremity. With the liberal party using abortion as a type of population/race control, they will push hard to head off this turn in American public sentiment. Additionally, our population is not keeping pace due to a low birth rate.

What if we incentivize birth rates by giving college credits to each new live birth born to a married couple?

It promotes life, education, and marriage.

Is it liberal or conservative?

And have I just advocated it, or have I done no more than toss an idea into the ring?


21 posted on 11/18/2011 5:34:36 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: csense
Leadership, all that is needed to destroy him on that is an ad showing him whining about getting off the back of the plane. Tons of leadership on display.
22 posted on 11/18/2011 5:48:32 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: federal__reserve

I’m prepared to vote for Newt Gingrich. He is the smartest guy in the room and is a true visionary like Churchill. Yes I know his negatives. . . Even Churchill was turned out of power shortly after he saved Britain in WWII. As an evangelical Christian, I am much more comfortable with Rick Perry. But I don’t want to listen to 4 years of the leftist media shred him Like they did W. My niece worked for Newt at the Enterprise Institute and says that Newt is the best choice to alter the course of this socialist ship of state.


23 posted on 11/18/2011 6:18:42 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: csense
He will fade back into the pack, as many others have before him.

Problem is,there is no pack.Just a handful of useless wishy-washies who spend more time attacking each other and defending themselves from frivolous allegations than coming up with solid conservative solutions for our country.I'm still conflicted about who has our best interests at heart,out of the current offering of candidates.

We are in real trouble.
24 posted on 11/18/2011 6:31:26 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: csense

Au contraire. He’s dismissed. Believing Gingrich will prevail as Pubbie pres. candidate requires pretending most of the man is something other than he is.

Gingrich is a loose cannon, but he is very much a big government elitist politician. This is the only conclusion one can come to after examining what the man actually done over the years. Words are cheap. But that Pelosi/Gingrich pic is worth a thousand words.

His “inexplicable” explanation for sharing a love seat with Pelosi should have been the man’s death knell. Yet there are people here on FR who have no problem with that. Well I have a problem with it.

I will not vote for Gingrich under any circumstance. Might as well vote for a demrat and be done with it. Ditto for Perry and Romney. All differtent sides of the same RINO coin.


25 posted on 11/18/2011 6:35:22 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: Reagan69

Why should his stay here be short? Am I missing something?


26 posted on 11/18/2011 6:38:35 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: 2nd Amendment

Good post.

As for Newt’s consulting enterprises: Advising a third party is not advocating! Big difference.

If health care providers and insurance carriers were asking for his advice - it was very likely related to onerous Federal regulations and the potential for Obamacare.

You don’t hire an electrician to design slip covers or an interior designer to fix your plumbing. Newt’s clients got their money’s worth and Newt got an education in private enterprise.


27 posted on 11/18/2011 6:39:01 AM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: xzins
What if we incentivize birth rates by giving college credits to each new live birth born to a married couple?

If it replaces guaranteed limitless student loans and federal grants just because your skin is a certain color, then yeah...well, you got me thinking.

That's Newt's way. Get people thinking about and discussing something.

28 posted on 11/18/2011 6:50:18 AM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: federal__reserve
but if what is said in this article can not be disputed, conservatives should take cover

Whats disputable about this? Why would conservatives want to nominate a loose cannon with no fixed principles who is also a serial adulterer ? Why in the world why?

29 posted on 11/18/2011 6:55:30 AM PST by Nonstatist
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To: federal__reserve

30 posted on 11/18/2011 6:59:49 AM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: federal__reserve

Face it everyone...Mitt is the choice of the RINO and Dem Establishment. He is the ONE they want to face Obama. Every other candidate that even gets close to getting the nomination will be vetted in a way that neither Mitt or President Obama will ever be vetted. They were able to smear Cain with accusations, but enough that he has lost a significan part of women.
If we want an alternative candidate we have work cut out for us. The mud will be coming thick and heavy for any other candidate. Huntsman would be another “darling” of the establishment but he has no way of getting any traction at this point.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 7:03:51 AM PST by AlwaysFrosty
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To: federal__reserve

I think Gingrich is obviously a conservative, and obviously an intellectual. However, he is not a consummate conservative, and he is not, as of yet, in complete control of his intellect or his zipper. He wouldn’t be my first choice, but as a replacement for the country killer Obama, he would be a blessing.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 7:07:37 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: sodpoodle

Newt got his education on the taxpayers dime and a hefty retirement plan to boot.

His consulting firm only exists because he spent a lifetime in the halls of Congress and was Speaker of the House.

I have a problem with selling governmental insider intellectual information to advance the goal of how to get my tax dollar. From what I can discern, most of his clients are Lobbyist.

Newt’s claim not to be a Lobbyist, reminds me of Bill Clinton tell us “I didn’t have sex with that woman” fame.

Then, that’s just my opinion.


33 posted on 11/18/2011 7:29:12 AM PST by not2worry
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To: not2worry

I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee (NEVER ROMNEY), but he is a big-government guy, make no mistake.


34 posted on 11/18/2011 7:30:43 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: federal__reserve
Gingrich annoys me personally, but I would never dispute his intellect. If he can win the nomination, I think he'll be president.

There is no question in my mind that money is important to this guy. He's a rabid fundraiser and he gets people to open up those wallets. Fish gotta swim. Birds gotta fly. Politicians raise money.

Full disclosure: As a registered Independant, I can't vote for anyone in the PA primary. If I could and had to vote today, it would be for Newt.

35 posted on 11/18/2011 7:33:18 AM PST by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: Timber Rattler

They each personally killed a cow to sit on that couch but Gingrich might as well have eaten it live, figuratively speaking.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 7:47:15 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: not2worry

The big picture is that all private companies; big and small, need advice - because the government controls every move they make with punative taxes and regulations.

From NLRB, FDA, HIPPA, EPA, HHs, SSec and Medicare - the government takes the money in one form or another.

Newt pursued a ‘career’ in politics and decided to ‘get out’ following specious ethics complaints (all but one charge dismissed) and having made enemies on both sides of the aisle.

He could have continued to earn a living with his consulting entities - but chooses instead to run for election again.

Can you fault him for wanting to stop socialism? He has seen the future and believes he can make a difference.

Have you done as much? Put yourself in the media’s meat grinder?


37 posted on 11/18/2011 7:50:30 AM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: RockinRight

The stench of hypocrisy wafting off the Newt team is getting too potent to ignore.

LOVE the way they all race around here posting fraudulent childish personal attacks at all the other candidates then whine like pitiful children the second anything factual that is critical of Newt is pointed out.


38 posted on 11/18/2011 8:00:31 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: xzins
What futurists do is spout ideas of what “could” be.

No. They say what will be. That is, they make a projection based on available data of what will happen, much like how financial analysts make projections of stock prices and earnings.

And Gingrich is very bad at it.
39 posted on 11/18/2011 8:19:27 AM PST by Terpfen (Any candidate is better than Obama. Any.)
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To: federal__reserve

I’m hoping after we’ve destroyed all our candidates we’ll be able to hold out for the white knight...yeah, that’s the plan..the white knight will destroy Romney, right?


40 posted on 11/18/2011 8:41:14 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Cincinatus

Santorum FTW!


41 posted on 11/18/2011 8:51:13 AM PST by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: xzins
I don’t know if its apocryphal, but I think I remember that Edison had over a 1000 iterations of the light bulb before he hit the right combination.

What if he’d stopped on idea #1 and said that it doesn’t work?

Indeed. Thank you for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
42 posted on 11/18/2011 8:57:09 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Terpfen

Conservative futurists are not arrogant enough to say what “will” be...unless of course you consider Isaiah to be a conservative futurist. :>)


43 posted on 11/18/2011 9:31:53 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: CincyRichieRich; wmfights; P-Marlowe; Cincinatus' Wife; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
I’m hoping after we’ve destroyed all our candidates we’ll be able to hold out for the white knight...yeah, that’s the plan..the white knight will destroy Romney, right?

Bullseye! Awesome post CincyRR.

From another Cincy area conservative.

44 posted on 11/18/2011 10:03:09 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins
What if we incentivize birth rates by giving college credits to each new live birth born to a married couple?

What if we just stop trying to "incentivize" anything, ESPECIALLY with government?

Any time you appeal to the collective to "fix" problems that are properly the domain of individual responsibility, you are going down the path of the "progressives" who created the mess we are in today.

That ain't conservative.

In a world where each man is responsible for his own house, and government existed to protect the citizens rather than to harvest their substance as if they were livestock (no matter how "enlightened" and "noble" the purpose supposedly served), you wouldn't have any trouble with, say, demographic collapse -- or with material scarcity.

Fat chance of it happening, though. That's the America that the Founding Fathers gave us, but it's long gone.

45 posted on 11/18/2011 10:25:00 AM PST by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: dfwgator
I will vote for Newt if he is the nominee (NEVER ROMNEY), but he is a big-government guy, make no mistake.

I am with you on that. However I would much prefer Cain, Bachmann or even Perry over Newt as the nominee. I am allergic to politicians who believe government is the answer to our problems.
46 posted on 11/18/2011 10:29:05 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: thulldud

But it supports life, marriage, and education: all of them conservative values.

Besides, you just shot down that idea without offering a replacement or an adaptation that would make it more “conservative.”


47 posted on 11/18/2011 10:29:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: xzins

It is called the vetting process, also sometimes called the primaries. We have a habit of doing that in GOP unlike the Kenyan socialist who received almost none of that.


48 posted on 11/18/2011 10:31:35 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: 2nd Amendment

I hope you are right and the conservative side of Newt will take over the other side if he moves into the WH.


49 posted on 11/18/2011 10:33:23 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: ilgipper

Your comment is way to much generality. Some specifics are always a good cement to build a solid brick house.


50 posted on 11/18/2011 10:34:44 AM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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