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Gingrich think tank collected millions from health-care industry ($37 million & MANDATE)
Wapo ^ | 11/18/11 | Dan Eggen

Posted on 11/18/2011 2:51:00 AM PST by Fred

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To: scooby321

“What are we anti capitalism”

Beginning to look that way, isn’t it?

People need to wake up and understand that there is NEVER going to be a perfect human being that we can elect as president. I think Speaker Gingrich would do an excellent job as president. Will he make some mistakes? Of course. Who wouldn’t? Will he begin to clean up the horrendous mess caused by Obama and the radical Democrats. YES!


51 posted on 11/18/2011 5:00:12 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: All
I think it only decent that when a Freeper posts a hit piece on any Republican that poster should at least tell who he favors the most.

When I criticize say,Romney,I make sure to point out that I'm leaning towards Cain—that way the evil ignorant and anti-American Mittbotts can try in vain to argue the nonexistent merits of their chosen rubberhead.

And saying,”I not for anyone yet” is a disingenuous and cowardly cop-out that only a troll would say.

52 posted on 11/18/2011 5:00:47 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: Venturer
Man: I have reached a point where I want to throw all of the Candidates in the toilet and start fresh. I guess the attacks are working.

Even though you and I know that the msm lies, their repeating of the same mantra over and over has their desired effect.

Don't lose Faith, any of these candidates {except huntsman and paul} would be miles ahead of obummer.

Paul has no foreign policy, and huntsman would bring in libs for everything.

53 posted on 11/18/2011 5:03:38 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: 101voodoo
Think tanks recommend a course of action

I agree with your definition, but, nonetheless, this was a think tank that recommended health insurance mandates and a universal drug entitlement rather than one aimed solely at the poor. Newt believes strongly in the power of big government to alleviate social ills.

54 posted on 11/18/2011 5:06:55 AM PST by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Venturer
You're not alone. I've arrived at that point, also.

Although, I pretty much felt that way right from the beginning.

Leni

55 posted on 11/18/2011 5:12:23 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: knarf
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck it is a duck. If someone comes forward and talks about being called by dear old newt about which way he/she should vote on a pending measure, he may be looking at charges.

if newt were a democrat what would you call his actions. Be honest now.

56 posted on 11/18/2011 5:18:12 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Timber Rattler
I thought that Free Republic was a CONSERVATIVE forum and NOT necessarily a Republican forum. It seems that a lot of people have forgotten that too.

You've learned that in the two weeks since you joined? What you may not have noticed is that we do not debate the relative (de)merits of Democrats, but of Republicans. If you do not understand why, then you need a little more time on site.

57 posted on 11/18/2011 5:20:59 AM PST by neocon1984
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To: ez
Newt believes in money, so the answer is yes. Mo money, I beforsale!
58 posted on 11/18/2011 5:21:05 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: knarf
"I'm starting to think there are too many good people in the race and NO ONE is the perfect conservative."

After the field is narrowed to one Presidential candidate, the entire field needs to become an "administration package of experts" to counter this country's present anti-conservative agenda.

The new "Contract with America".

59 posted on 11/18/2011 5:25:15 AM PST by Does so ("Drill-Baby-Drill" is NOT a new Government entitlement for "Free Dentistry".)
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To: Ramius
If he made calls to congress and/or made contributions, yes. I think the news media is busy as bees looking for the evidence, we shall know shortly.
60 posted on 11/18/2011 5:25:56 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Cato in PA
Take icky perry off the list and I agree, the are all better than the bought and paid for rinos.
61 posted on 11/18/2011 5:29:28 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: 101voodoo

Sorry, pal, but I’m not the one being duped. There is a distinction between acting as a registered lobbyist and lobbying for ideas to influence a group of people.

The latter as relates to Congress and the public is clearly a lot of what Gingrich was paid millions and millions of dollars over the years to do.

No, it wasn’t illegal, as most of the way Washington works isn’t. But it is worthy of reporting and it does tie into how voters should consider him as a “conservative” presidential candidate. I.e., if he actively promoted essentially many of the ideas and key concepts and policies embodied in Obamacare, that is worth knowing if you are to assess his ability to campaign against Obamacare in a general election.


62 posted on 11/18/2011 5:33:12 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: maineman
Though it's early in the day, I'll give odds on you winning ‘ignorant comment of the day award’ by saying that Cain is simply out to sell books. Your sarcastic knocks against him (he's a ladies man) are right out of an Alinsky playbook. Look at his resume and life story. Compare how your life stacks up to his and then go into the bathroom, lock the door, and have a good cry. We get a great American man to put himself out there and try to actually do something to help this declining society and he gets cheap shots from ‘conservatives’ like you? Please. Oh, yeah...B.C sucks by the way. I hear they have a few high school teams on the schedule next year. And they're getting points. Have a great day.
63 posted on 11/18/2011 5:34:59 AM PST by Mr. Fabtastic (Cain is rapidly gaining on Fred Gwynne as my favorite Herman.)
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To: Fred
Every single one of our candidates is fatally flawed and either hopelessly crooked, a sex fiend, a gaffe machine, a crazy religious nut, or hopelesslessly right wing. We simply have nobody who could possibly be better for this country than Barack Obama.

I think we should just forget about 2012 and work on recruiting Jesus for 2016! /s/

64 posted on 11/18/2011 5:35:58 AM PST by Gritty (Compromise that is not a solution is a waste of time. We either save this country or we do not-Rubio)
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To: ilgipper

Hell, he was on tv beating up Clinton 12 years on health care before Romney or Gingrich were advocating government health care. Yep. He’s the one without understanding.


BOOM. Well said.


65 posted on 11/18/2011 5:36:54 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: 101voodoo

A think tank is a private group which hires itself out to anyone who wants to pay for it’s advice.

Sort of like what a prostitute does?

 

It is incumbent upon the honorable craftsman to be aware
of whether or not his services are being used
as a means to accomplish evil ends -
and to act (or NOT) accordingly.

Veritas Honor!

66 posted on 11/18/2011 5:40:21 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: b9
Thanks for the info.

Hey, what are you doing up so early?

67 posted on 11/18/2011 5:40:35 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Herman Cain Can!)
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To: Fred

Folks, a lot of people thought a mandate was a good idea. Upon reflection, they realize it was and is not workable for a national plan. I think people can change their views without being John Kerry. Kerry sits on the perch of a central government, and constantly promoted policies that put federal requirements over states and citizens.

Newt was working in a think tank, trying to make reasonable proposals.

Conservatives ought to be able to make thoughtful differentiations between positions. We ARE smarter than liberals, after all.


68 posted on 11/18/2011 5:41:20 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: CAluvdubya

Mornin’!

Just troll trackin’.

What’re YOU doing up so early?

LOL


69 posted on 11/18/2011 5:44:35 AM PST by b9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hd23sdf4CE)
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To: neocon1984
What you may not have noticed is that we do not debate the relative (de)merits of Democrats, but of Republicans. If you do not understand why, then you need a little more time on site.

I think you need to go back and read what the Boss has said about the site's mission:

One more time: FR's God-given Life & Liberty constitutional conservative activism agenda!!

70 posted on 11/18/2011 5:55:33 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Don't Tread on Me!)
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To: FR_addict

Newt has some things in his past that I’m not comfortable with, but for the most part it was AFTER he was out of Congress.

However, his record as Speaker was better than most of the other candidates’ records in office, and, he did have a 4 year balanced budget, welfare reform, and more.

That record is why I’m giving him a look now.

The consulting fees “look bad” - but - do we know the details of what they advocated, and why?

I do want an explanation from Newt on the healthcare mandate thing. Even if he simply claims he “changed his mind” he should back that up.

However, when you consider the alternatives, he might be just the right man at the right time.

Cain - still my #1 but I’m not as committed. He’s an inspirational guy, very smart, a fabulous success story, and someone I’d love to have over for dinner to talk politics. However, as much as I love the guy, his response to the (fake) allegations makes me wonder how effective of a campaign and/or Presidency he’ll be able to run. As of today, he’d still get my primary vote, but that’s not as solid as it once was.

Santorum - socially conservative, fiscally good, has a blue-collar appeal that could be a net benefit, but the guy lost his last election by almost 20 pts, and he comes across as too “nice” of a guy, and when he tries to be more firm, it looks fake.

Perry - a good governor and overall decent man. He doesn’t come across well though. His plans for his campaign sound great, but, seem to come across as the last desperate effort to regain support. While I think he’d do well as President, I don’t think he can beat Obama, because he basically proves the left’s point that “Republicans are stupid”. He basically participates in the “politics of SELF-destruction.” I don’t think he *is* stupid, but he can’t conduct himself well enough to come across as intelligent.

Romney - no explanation needed.

Wrong Paul - Pulleeeze. He’d probably call up Ahmadinejad
and give him our nuke codes himself.

Bachmann - she’s quickly becoming what the Left says she is, and she’s doing it to herself. To think at one time I was going to vote for her.

Huntsman - Yeah...sure...the guy’s picture should be next to the word “douchebag” in the dictionary.

Newt may win this by default, and, if we hold his feet to the fire, I think he’ll do just fine as President. Also, since he is legitimately brilliant, he destroys the “Republicans are stupid” argument the Left always throws at the GOP candidate.


71 posted on 11/18/2011 6:00:47 AM PST by RockinRight (The circular firing squad among conservatives has Romney smiling.)
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To: manc
Find it odd how when the Newt ping-list keepers were spending 24-7 trash talking Cain, no one said a word to them about “destroying our own”.

Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.

72 posted on 11/18/2011 6:01:08 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: b9
Find it odd how when the Newt ping-list keepers were spending 24-7 trash talking Cain, no one said a word to them about “destroying our own”.

Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.

73 posted on 11/18/2011 6:02:24 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Timber Rattler
Find it odd how when the Newt ping-list keepers were spending 24-7 trash talking Cain, no one said a word to them about “destroying our own”.

Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.

74 posted on 11/18/2011 6:03:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: maineman
Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.

The stench of hypocrisy wafting off your posts is quite potent.

75 posted on 11/18/2011 6:05:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Spam a lot?


76 posted on 11/18/2011 6:07:17 AM PST by b9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hd23sdf4CE)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Find it odd how when the Newt ping-list keepers were spending 24-7 trash talking Cain, no one said a word to them about “destroying our own”.

Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.

77 posted on 11/18/2011 6:08:05 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: popdonnelly

Find it odd how when the Newt ping-list keepers were spending 24-7 trash talking Cain, no one said a word to them about “destroying our own”.

Funny how this new “speak no evil” standard only seems to be applied when Newt is the one on the hot seat.


78 posted on 11/18/2011 6:08:26 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: b9

You don’t get to demand one standard for your candidate while you are busy applying a completely different one to all the others. As long as you insist on doing that, it is impossible to take anything the Newt-bot squad posts seriously.


79 posted on 11/18/2011 6:10:12 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Fred
Contract With America: The Betrayal Begins

Creating a New Civilization: The Politics of the Third Wave

Newt Gingrich Rides the Third Wave

"In 1994, Newt Gingrich described himself as a... fan of the ideas espoused in the book, The Third Wave by Alvin Toffler, in which homosexuality, promiscuity, adultery, divorce, and abortion are all viewed as perfectly normal and even desirable. He said that in order to understand him, you should read the book, The Third Wave by Toffler. This book is written from the perspective of someone who is writing a letter to America’s Founding Fathers, in which he describes the Constitution and the principles of limited government that guided our Founding Fathers as becoming increasing irrelevant, and obsolete, and hence in need of being radically redesigned and replaced!....When Newt Gingrich became the Speaker of the House in 1994, he recommended The Third Wave as required reading for all of his Congressional colleagues!"

‘Newt’worthy or Not?

Newt: Too Green for 2012

Reminder: Newt Gingrich Teamed Up With Hillary Clinton, Wanted Government MANDATED Health Care

Flashback: Newt Took $300,000 [actually, it is 1.6 million] From Freddie Mac to Stop Congress From Making Much Needed Reform

Newt's record is as bad if not worse than Romney.

Newt is for amnesty and in June 2011 Debate Newt Gingrich called Americans Heartless for wanting to deport 20 million illegals.

"GINGRICH: No, but let me say this, John. No serious citizen who's concerned about solving this problem should get trapped into a yes/no answer in which you're either for totally selling out protecting America or you're for totally kicking out 20 million people in a heartless way. There are -- there are humane, practical steps to solve this problem, if we can get the politicians and the news media to just deal with it honestly."June 2011 Debate Transcript

80 posted on 11/18/2011 6:11:58 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: knarf

Nobody’s perfect, knarf. Rush was talking about this yesterday but I’m afraid I nodded off as so many of us do when trying to understand complicated financial stuff.

I understand when Tom Thumb has avocados for one dollar but when one gets to 37 mil ... anyway, Rush was ‘splainin’ that it’s a consulting fee.

Whether Newt profited wrongly or not, I have no idea. It’s probably in the ‘everybody does it’ category.

Newt remains my second choice unless he screws up even more.


82 posted on 11/18/2011 6:19:52 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Pravious

I can’t wait until Perry starts leading in some polls so they can beat him up.


83 posted on 11/18/2011 6:23:42 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: LomanBill

This is the firsdt time I’ve heard what a prostitute does as “giving advice”


84 posted on 11/18/2011 6:24:53 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Now you’re scaring me.

I do not want a candidate believes even slightly in all this global warming, green crap. The EPA has cost us a fortune in mandating costly and ridiculous procedures for manufacturers which they, of course, pass on to us.

Did he really say he’s still in favor of national healthcare? That’s hard to believe cause that’s a killer right there.


85 posted on 11/18/2011 6:26:22 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: MNJohnnie

My best Deniro voice -

“You twalkin’ to ME?”


86 posted on 11/18/2011 6:26:33 AM PST by b9 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_hd23sdf4CE)
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To: 9YearLurker

But Gingrich wasn’t “lobbying for ideas” at all. He was the one who was advising others who themselves wanted ideas on how to get something they wanted accomplished.


87 posted on 11/18/2011 6:27:05 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: USS Alaska

Thanks for a dose of sanity. anyone but Obama.


88 posted on 11/18/2011 6:29:06 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Gritty

Now, THAT was funny.


89 posted on 11/18/2011 6:30:14 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: knarf

The man was paid to give his opinion and guidance. He was asked specific questions and gave specific answers to the outfit that hired him. That’s why he got paid.

Because his answer to the outfit that hired him for his guidance got an answer to their direct question doesn’t mean that Newt doesn’t have his own opinion of how the US Government should be presided over.

It starting to look like a lot of folks here want The Messiah for four more years.


90 posted on 11/18/2011 6:30:37 AM PST by Flint
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To: 101voodoo

Xaviera Hollander was another DC prostitute who was made famous via her “advice’.

http://www.xavierahollander.com/


91 posted on 11/18/2011 6:31:01 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: MNJohnnie

Settle down, Johnnie. Relax. Stop hitting post over and over.


92 posted on 11/18/2011 6:32:13 AM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: b9
What’re YOU doing up so early?

I've discovered with age comes odd wake-up times! I'm kind of tired of the *surprises* you get as you age! :)

93 posted on 11/18/2011 6:33:01 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Herman Cain Can!)
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To: 101voodoo

Gingrich was writing books and putting out statements on positions that aligned with his clients interests all through this period. That is lobbying for ideas, not registered-with-Congress-and-knocking-on-Congressional-doors-to-pitch-his-legislation lobbying.

Likely, he was also using his “nonprofit” activities to satisfy the interest of his “for profit” clients as well. Another legal loophole commonly used in the Beltway.

And he was, according to plausible but not on-record confirmed reports, steering his clients to which Congressmen would be amenable to which arguments, etc..


94 posted on 11/18/2011 6:33:23 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Fred

If Newt was hired and asked to address the best place in the US to build concentration camps and his answer was Arkansas, it would mean he gave a response to someone who hired him to give his opinion.

It wouldn’t mean that he was for building concentration camps, that he didn’t like Arkansas, that he wanted to see more jobs created in Arkansas or that he owned stock in a chain link fence and barbed wire company.

It would mean that he makes a living studying things and has a very large amount of knowledge that is valuable to people.


95 posted on 11/18/2011 6:35:45 AM PST by Flint
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To: Fred

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-1106-tea-party-debate-20111106,0,4421912.story?track=rss

Despite the fact that Cain, former chief executive of Godfather’s Pizza, is known for his wit and ease onstage, it was Gingrich, the former history professor and House speaker, who was truly in his element. Denied the opportunity to hold forth at length in regular televised debates, which offer 30-second sound bites and instant rebuttals, Gingrich was expansive, funny and erudite, as he and Cain batted around ideas for reforming Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

They both embraced rooting out the Medicare fraud and waste that costs taxpayers billions of dollars a year; giving federal money to states in the form of block grants to administer Medicaid as they see fit; and offering citizens personal retirement accounts in order to have a say over how their retirement dollars are invested.

Dr Coburn, Newt and Cain all agree on the fraud and Newt believes instead of having the paper pushers on the fed level handle it (they have done shoddy work) to “privatize” it out...he said that Mastercard could weed out the waste better than the feds. Some medicaid patiets go into ER and get treated for a minor cold..run up er bills and cant be tracked...they turn around and a few months later go to some er room and repeat it all over again. So let there be a method of tracking patients. Privatize it out..the feds cant do a decent job


96 posted on 11/18/2011 6:44:09 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: swampfox101
"Newt really does have the lefties rattled."

I said a few weeks ago the the Marxists will bring out the big guns for Cain, but if Newt takes traction in the polls they will bring out a fleet of battleships for him.

Newt governed as the most conservative Speaker of the House in my life time. The Marxists fear and hate Newt more then anyone alive except maybe Sarah Palin. Newt fought and defeated the Marxists once back in the mid 90's, they are determined not to let him defeat them again. And sadly it seems a great many Cain supporter are only to happy to ally with the Marxists and help them smear a fellow conservative with lies and half truths. Useful idiots?

97 posted on 11/18/2011 6:44:24 AM PST by jpsb
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To: Timber Rattler; onyx; LucyT
I think you're full of you know what. You joined FR a few days ago for the sole purpose of bashing Gingrich. As soon as his poll numbers began to rise, you sign up and proceed to rip him apart with your prepared talking points and spam. I don't doubt your agenda, what I would like to know is who sent you to deliver it? Photobucket
98 posted on 11/18/2011 6:45:13 AM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: knarf

Advising a third party is not advocating! Big difference.

If health care providers and insurance carriers were asking for his advice - it was very likely related to onerous Federal regulations and the potential for Obamacare.

You don’t hire an electrician to design slip covers or an interior designer to fix your plumbing. Newt’s clients got their money’s worth and Newt got an education in private enterprise.


99 posted on 11/18/2011 6:45:23 AM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: jpsb

You are so right. I heard what Newt said during the lincoln douglas debates and what is so funny is Cain agreed with him. Newt has done more for this country when he served as Speaker of the House than any candidate running. Fraud in medicare and medicaid needs to be stopped and tracked. Have heard many nightmare type stories of what goes on in the emergency rooms across this country...


100 posted on 11/18/2011 6:47:24 AM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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