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Workers angry as Black Friday creeps into Thanksgiving
Nashua Telegraph ^ | 11/18/11 | Kavita Kumar

Posted on 11/18/2011 9:45:27 AM PST by Libloather

Workers angry as Black Friday creeps into Thanksgiving
By Kavita Kumar
St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Friday, November 18, 2011

ST. LOUIS – Lyndsey Shaw has been on the front lines of Black Friday in years past, helping to open the Best Buy store in Brentwood, Mo., by 5 a.m.

But when Best Buy decided to follow other retailers this year in moving up its opening time to midnight on Thanksgiving, Shaw worried she would have to miss her family’s tradition of going out to see Christmas lights after their holiday dinner.

“We don’t usually get everything cleaned up and out the door until 10 p.m.,” she said.

Fortunately, her supervisor allowed her to work a Friday afternoon shift instead.

But with several other retailers, including Macy’s, Kohl’s and Target, also opening at midnight for the first time, a groundswell of protest has been brewing among people who worry that not all retail employees will be as lucky and that some will have to skip out early on family gatherings.

And moreover, critics assert, the earlier opening times are encroaching too much on a holiday that should be reserved for family – not for shopping.

(Excerpt) Read more at nashuatelegraph.com ...


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KEYWORDS: black; friday; thanksgiving; workers
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To: Libloather

I hated my college job at Tar-jay during this time.

Had to be there at 5AM till 2 the day after Thanksgiving just to be trampled, cursed at, and berated by a bunch of future broke people loading up on crap from China.

I feel sorry for those workers that are there today. It is no fun at all.


51 posted on 11/18/2011 10:44:27 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: buccaneer81

We need doctors and police to work, but the world will go on if people can’t get their big screen TV at 5 AM in the morning.


54 posted on 11/18/2011 11:00:00 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator

Absolutely. I miss the ‘70s more each day.


55 posted on 11/18/2011 11:04:16 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Notary Sojac

Excellent point.


56 posted on 11/18/2011 11:05:42 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: VaRepublican

Nice. I imagine that’s how you treat the help on Black Friday, too.


57 posted on 11/18/2011 11:07:13 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Libloather

It’s safer to go to an “Occupy” protest than it is to shop on Black Friday.


58 posted on 11/18/2011 11:07:34 AM PST by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: Libloather

Retail employees complaining about working on the most profitable day of the year is like accountants complaining about missing out on the early April flowers.


59 posted on 11/18/2011 11:10:40 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: dfwgator

Ditto.


60 posted on 11/18/2011 11:11:16 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: dfwgator

Ditto.


61 posted on 11/18/2011 11:11:22 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: buccaneer81

capitalism, spell it with me now. What, exactly about this, do you not like?


62 posted on 11/18/2011 11:11:29 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Retail employees complaining about working on the most profitable day of the year is like accountants complaining about missing out on the early April flowers.

If they got commission on sales, I would see your point.

63 posted on 11/18/2011 11:12:13 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: VaRepublican

FAMILY...spell that out and tell me why being open 18 hours starting at 6:00 AM on Black Friday isn’t enough.


64 posted on 11/18/2011 11:14:01 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: VaRepublican

Ya know what? nevermind. Golly gee whiz maybe all those poor retail folks should go on strike and protest their poor treatment, and then they can “take down the man”.


65 posted on 11/18/2011 11:14:11 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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66 posted on 11/18/2011 11:15:15 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Libloather
Black Friday is for sleeping late, eating more turkey, putting up Christmas lights, eating still more turkey and more sleep.

One of my favorite days of the year.

67 posted on 11/18/2011 11:15:23 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: VaRepublican

It’s obvious you’ve only been on one side of the counter in your life.


68 posted on 11/18/2011 11:15:31 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

OK, fool.


69 posted on 11/18/2011 11:16:36 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: VaRepublican

What a comeback, Jethro. That sixth grade education paid off for you.


70 posted on 11/18/2011 11:17:43 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: VaRepublican
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71 posted on 11/18/2011 11:18:32 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: VaRepublican

Ya know what, the more I think about it the more I remember that everything I have ever achieved was handed to me.Oh yea, I remember getting that six figure job now for whining.


72 posted on 11/18/2011 11:19:16 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Libloather

I have never gone shopping on Black Friday in my life. I do not expect that to ever change.

I’ve never worked retail, although I have done other poopie jobs. If retailers pay bonuses or OT or something to compensate for the madness, then the employees shouldn’t complain. But if they’re like suffer or get fired, they suck, IMO.


73 posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:43 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: oh8eleven

yes it’s true!! I am a SQUID!


74 posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:47 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Libloather
About 25 years ago, I used to work in retail; and had to work long holiday hours and deal with lots of humanity. For a year I worked at a bakery and had to work on Christmas day. It came with the territory.

I look for Black Friday online deals; but there is no way I'm lining up at 4:00 or 5:00 AM and risk getting trampled to get a "good deal". The day after Thanksgiving is more important to me as a day off than as a shopping day.

75 posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:57 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: VaRepublican

You can’t count into six figures, that’s eighth grade math, boy.


76 posted on 11/18/2011 11:21:05 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: buccaneer81

well ok you win I am a dumbass.


77 posted on 11/18/2011 11:23:09 AM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: massgopguy

I agree. This push Christmas buying thing is going too far. People have lost the real meaning of “Christmas”.


78 posted on 11/18/2011 11:44:48 AM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: PapaBear3625

People might have preferred sleeping in. I hit the bike trails Thanksgiving morning (usually reveling in cutting through the mall parking lot for the last time that year) and Tucson is a ghost town then. Other cities may be different though, we’re pretty laid back here.


79 posted on 11/18/2011 11:53:18 AM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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80 posted on 11/18/2011 11:53:41 AM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Libloather
So, people who work in, and earn a paycheck from, retail, are complaining about the money stores are making from the "Black Friday" sales day because it is happening one day early? Um, isn't in the interest of people who work retail for their store to make money - as much as possible - during the holiday shopping season?

Going back through time when people were forced to work 12 hour days just to put food on the table, I'm wondering how many people complained about having to work their farm, or ranch, or blacksmith shop, or whatever, on these holidays (including Christmas)?

81 posted on 11/18/2011 11:58:26 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: buccaneer81

Now that black friday is all about the door busters there most definitely is a reason to be open before 6 friday: your competition. Black friday is basically over by 9AM now, by noon it’s down to a basic “normal” shopping day. When it was an all day affair you were right, but now it’s a sprint, one more hour open before 9AM could mean the difference between existing next year and not.


82 posted on 11/18/2011 12:01:38 PM PST by discostu (How Will I Laugh Tomorrow When I Can't Even Smile Today)
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To: buccaneer81
Giving up family time as a medical professional or first responder is part of the game . . .

For retail workers, it's a chance to trade family time for a rollicking shift of insults, abuse and anger.

Yep, people who work in Law Enforcement, the field of Medicine, or who are first responders (EMT, Fire fighters, etc) NEVER endure insults, abuse, and/or anger.

83 posted on 11/18/2011 12:01:48 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Maryhere

If people have truly “lost” the meaning of Christmas, it is NOT the fault of retailers. There is NO ONE holding a gun to ANYONE’S head here.


84 posted on 11/18/2011 12:05:03 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: buccaneer81; VaRepublican

There once was a time in this country that Americans were people who rolled up their sleeves, went to work, and got things done, regardless of whether that meant losing some “family time” on this or that holiday. Today America appears to be full of whinny little brats who want to have their cake and eat it too. In my parents day they had to work on holidays, and neither one worked in Retail. In my grandparents day they had to work nearly year around, and neither worked in Retail. Going back to the days of the Frontiersman, there were no retail shops, and everyone had to work every day just to have food on the table, a roof over their head, and heat in their home. Perhaps Obozo is right after all. We have gotten soft and lazy.


85 posted on 11/18/2011 12:10:52 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad
In my parents day they had to work on holidays, and neither one worked in Retail. In my grandparents day they had to work nearly year around, and neither worked in Retail. Going back to the days of the Frontiersman, there were no retail shops, and everyone had to work every day just to have food on the table, a roof over their head, and heat in their home.

Life was a carnival! We entertained ourselves! We didn't need moooovin' pitchurrrres. In my day, there was only one show in town -- it was called "Stare at the sun!" ... That's right! You'd sit in the middle of an open field and stare up at the sun till your eyeballs burst into flames! And you thought, "Oh, no! Maybe I shouldn't've stared directly into the burning sun with my eyes wide open." But it was too late! Your head was on fire and people were roastin' chickens over it. ... And that's the way it was and we liked it!

86 posted on 11/18/2011 12:16:28 PM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator

Oh darn, yet another episode of which ever program that is that I missed/s


87 posted on 11/18/2011 12:18:05 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad
10-4 good buddy, just don't mention it here on this hypocritical website. we hate anti business but don't let a fool work thanksgiving!
88 posted on 11/18/2011 12:19:12 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: SoldierDad

I don’t know what’s worse-—having to work that early or those embassasing scenes of shoppers trampling each other to death trying to get in....people get a life!


89 posted on 11/18/2011 12:20:14 PM PST by gman992 ("I'm a conservative. I'm just a happy conservative.")
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To: VaRepublican
10-4 good buddy, just don't mention it here on this hypocritical website

Too late! Besides, I'm wearing my flame-retardant suit. LOL

90 posted on 11/18/2011 12:21:09 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: VaRepublican

You asshats espousing yer service to our country as an example of the hard times of serving. Every year I served covered the “holidays” Get over it and get a brain. I defended what WE do NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


91 posted on 11/18/2011 12:22:12 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: gman992

I have NEVER gone shopping on “Black Friday”. The primary reason for me is that no amount savings is worth putting up with the animals who ransack retail stores.


92 posted on 11/18/2011 12:23:33 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: VaRepublican

Man if only we were more like europe.


93 posted on 11/18/2011 12:24:00 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: VaRepublican

Interesting, you posting this attached to my post #88. I hope there’s no hidden message in this directed to me.


94 posted on 11/18/2011 12:25:30 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: SoldierDad
I notice you left out the rest of my first paragraph which mentioned the necessity and fair compensation of medical personnel and first responders.

Try being honest when you attempt to argue a point, regardless of how poorly you do it. Comparing retail work on a holiday to emergency services is ridiculous.

95 posted on 11/18/2011 12:28:39 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: SoldierDad

nope no hidden meaning. sorry about any inferances. Inference is the act or process of deriving logical conclusions from premises known or assumed to be true.
I was just saying that if we only acted like europe then we all could be broke together. My point being whining about a job during a busy time seems silly. If you don’t make enough then leave... If you cannot leave then sorry, improve youre lot in life, but wait...that requires more work. DAMN!


96 posted on 11/18/2011 12:49:40 PM PST by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: dfwgator
We need doctors and police to work

All of the Paramedics that I know say that New Year's eve is usually pretty quiet.

However, they say Christmas is awful, and Thanksgiving is worse. Family get togethers bring out the worst in people.

97 posted on 11/18/2011 2:19:40 PM PST by wbill
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To: dfwgator
I personally boycott Black Friday....I hate everything about it.

I hate shopping and I hate crowds.

I haven't been anywhere near a store on Black Friday since I was a college kid working part-time in a department store.

That's probably what did it for me.

98 posted on 11/18/2011 2:23:48 PM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Libloather

In this economy, those people should feel blessed they have a job in the first place. I’m sure there are countless thousands who would take their place in an instant and not complain about working.


99 posted on 11/18/2011 2:26:59 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Perry 2012)
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To: Libloather

I ignore the holidays...it’s great...no mess, no fuss.


100 posted on 11/18/2011 2:35:56 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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