Posted on 11/18/2011 11:20:31 AM PST by illiac
see #59 for roll call
Question: (for anybody that knows the answer)
If this proposal doesn’t pass, does that mean the Medicare will be automatically cut immediately? I have surgery scheduled for December, and am a bit concerned. THX
Thank you. It looks like we’d have to win more of the house to even get close. The amendment process is far too high for both chambers. I wish the constitution allowed for some other way to amend. 60% of the national vote and state approval, but then again the concerns over fraud would be of importance, too.
The amendment had no cap on spending and only required 3/5 vote to deficit spend even more.
I’m telling you... turning Congress more conservative is THE fight for 2012.
It is looking more and more like the Presidential race is screwed by the primacy of RINOs headed up by the liberal Mittens. We’re going to need a Congress that can stand up to Zer0 **OR** corrupt Republican.
That’s where I’m spending my campaign contributions, anyhow.
My area is a lost cause, so I’m going to have to fund races in other states. It would be great to get a comprehensive list of battleground congressional races and who is running. I haven’t found one yet, so if you find a good one please post on FR.
watered down to get Democrat support.
How’d that work out for the Boner??
GDP is a bogus number anyway. You need something more concrete than GDP figures which are and can be manipulated.
I am convinced that some, maybe, many of America’s problems could be solved through better education. A better educated public can work on higher tiers of business, and would be proud of America being exceptional and its unique history.
The first way to improve things is through privatization - competition - consumer choice. - School Choice. My Pleasant Grove High, UT was pretty decent, but some said Timp View, Skyline, Murray, Clear Lake, or Brighton, nearby in Salt Lake, were better. If my parents could have looked at standardized testing averages, no doubt, I may have gone elsewhere.
In Texas, I went to A&M Consolidated HS. If Bryan High, on the other side of town, had better average scores, they probably would have had no problem with the extra distance to get there.
If the government enabled school choice, and required graduation based on national or even in-state standardized tests, e.g. AP exams, or the like, parents would be fierce about inadequate schooling, choosing good schools. Teachers would be accountable for their effectiveness. - or ineffectiveness, and only good teachers would cut it.
And, excellence in teaching and administration would be the norm.
Many other countries do national exams and their college attendance is better. - If that is, maybe, a reasonable way to associate an effective childhood education?
Also, teachers in private schools aren’t unionized, which is a monumental advantage.
Unions exist only to make sure that the worst of its members can’t be fired. Teachers unions are not, in any way for the good of the teaching, or education, but only the teachers. Ask my brother in manufacturing, or anyone, really. ... But, bad teachers and administrations should not be invulnerable or unaccountable.
Jim, that would put it back into the people’s hands more. Town Halls could even be held to discuss each school’s plans.
“Lack of education in the USA” ... I found this essay to be, pretty much, a decent take on the issue.
http://essaysreasy.org/articles/lack-of-education-in-the-usa.html
There are so many more, but this essay, is an astonishing summary of how teachers unions stop improvement of education dead in its tracks, firmly and deliberately.
http://teachersunionexposed.com/blocking.cfm
I’m disappointed more Republicans didn’t vote against this watered down bill.
As the debt and it's servicing swallows up increasingly large amounts of the annual "budget", fewer and fewer things deemed "necessary" will get their just due, without more and higher taxation, regardless of economic circumstances.
A minority of the populace understands this, and it's fuller implications. Until such time as a larger proportion of the voting public grasps the full reality of the situation, the current drama must be permitted to play out a while longer.
At some point in time, people will realize that (1) the debt is so vast and severe it can never be repaid, and thus will have to be repudiated, out of necessity; and (2) a fuller realization will (hopefully) sink in that by breaking the debt, and consequently the financiers' grip, on America, we can once again find the freedom and dignity that is our birthright, and allow the engines of free market enterprise to expand and lead the nation to the prosperity it deserves.
Unfortunately, all this implies a great deal of violence stands between now and then.
It's not that I, or most right-thinking people, want this. It's just the way it seems will happen, particularly given the ever-increasing level of polarization in the country.
Actually, we are witnessing what I think are several dry runs for that scenario.
One, of course, is the "Occupy" movement, it's take over by the hard Left and associated anarchist movements, and the highly predictable violence that has ensued.
Another would be the phenomenon that is occurring in Italy, and soon will in Greece. Not only have we heard elites over there tell us "Italy needs reform, not elections", but we've actually seen them install an entire non-elected government that has no career politicians at all.
This is not the triumph of one ideology over another, it is rather a brute push by the elite - THEM, is what I call them - to shove what they want - I repeat, WHAT THEY WANT - down our throats, regardless of what we the people want.
They are waiting t see if they can pull this off, and if a similar occurrence passes in Greece, I'd say we're getting real close, and it's time to start thinking seriously of LOCK AND LOAD.
Just how I see things unraveling happening...
CA....
Why the DEATH PENALTY when it is legal for Congress.
Instead demand that all legislators, Pres., VP, Cabinet, and Supreme Court be required to assign their holdings to blind trusts. Any Congresscritter who refuses to approve such a law, or in the absence of same doesn’t enter a blind trust voluntarily, meet the fury of the voters on election day. Far more doable than the death penalty.
“,,,screwed, ever since The New Deal came into existence.”
It’s amazing that we have actually managed to have a number of good years since TND. Why/how is that?
Unless we can MAKE them live within their means, winning in 2012 will only delay it.
I imagine that useful information on school performance, % graduation, and college placement, etc. can be found at Google, and where it does not exist for a locality, citizens should work together to get it on line. New York State had/has? the Regent exams. I remember NY high school students sweating bullets about them when I was young—50 years ago. I don’t know how well that worked out, but might be worth a look see.
Thanks for those Levin links.
If Freepers here really understood the issue(s) they wouldn’t be so quick to fly of the handle and making purely emotional comments.
Congress should be trying to eliminate laws not make more of them.
I’m going to fulfill my recommended daily intake of vegetables now by eating some pizza. Fuking morons.
Aside: I’m thinking Ron Paul is 95% conservative, which borders on lunacy in most people’s book...go figure.
There are more than one version of the balanced budget amendment. The version Ryan supports has a limit on spending of 19% of GDP. (which is historically where it’s been) This would effectively cap how much taxes can be raised.
Be careful what you wish for in a balanced budget amendment. The RINO’s and Rats would love to HAVE to raise taxes to balance the budget.
Would you consider it unfair, or pushing-it, somehow, if your child had to write a respectable national exam to graduate? Liberals, no doubt, cause I had hippie friends at college, would consider this an extreme outrage because they clump everyone into voting categories, race, sex, age, finance, and they’d say it to be a horrible expectation for anyone to prove anything. (aren’t some groups, (as they see it, automatically not capable enough?)
Were the Regent exams almost like first year college?
Most other countries have high school finals, to prove readiness.
The NY Regent Exams still seem to exist. California has an exit exam.
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In China, they have a national exam.
Note below, the numbers are in the millions. We can do the same. Politically, sadly, the special interests, unions, will guarantee no standards forever.
Here is a link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Higher_Education_Entrance_Examination
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