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Newt: Fire the Janitors, Hire Kids to Clean Schools
foxnews.com ^ | November 19, 2011 | staff

Posted on 11/19/2011 9:32:20 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion

Newt Gingrich tonight said at an address at Harvard that child work laws "entrap" poor children into poverty - and suggested that a better way to handle failing schools is to fire the janitors, hire the local students and let them get paid for upkeep.

"This is something that no liberal wants to deal with," Gingrich said. "Core policies of protecting unionization and bureaucratization against children in the poorest neighborhoods, crippling them by putting them in schools that fail has done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy. It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid.

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1 posted on 11/19/2011 9:32:23 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Well, there goes the janitors union endorsement...


2 posted on 11/19/2011 9:34:13 AM PST by ken5050
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Newt seems to understand the Janitors for Justice movement which morphed into SEIU


3 posted on 11/19/2011 9:35:11 AM PST by Zathras
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To: All

How ‘bout putting prisoners to work -or the homeless?


4 posted on 11/19/2011 9:36:10 AM PST by jackibutterfly (The American Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Makes sense. Newt is smart, if not consistent. He can out-think Obama, and most of the GOP. The baggage though....


5 posted on 11/19/2011 9:36:22 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

his greater point is right on the mark but the liberal media will run with the headline “Gingrich wants kids to clean up schools” mark my words...


6 posted on 11/19/2011 9:36:43 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5million pay no federal income tax then vote demoKrat)
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7 posted on 11/19/2011 9:36:57 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

This has to be satire. He is not this stupid. We want to fire the adult janitors and replace them with six year olds? Really? These candidates are losing by themselves. I don’t have to lift a finger.


8 posted on 11/19/2011 9:39:29 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: BarnacleCenturion
FWIW, all my kids went through elementary school in Japan. It was standard procedure at the end of the day to wipe down the desks, floors, common areas and restrooms. Each kid was expected to bring a half dozen or so thick wipe towels from home and to rotate them regularly.

One result was a huge difference between the respect Japanese kids had for their school as opposed to their American counterparts.

9 posted on 11/19/2011 9:39:45 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
1950's - The eighth graders in our public schools were our traffic cops. Now, they hire growwups.

Of course, in the higher grades, we have cops at the doors and kids are searched for weapons. Don't ask what the demographics are.

10 posted on 11/19/2011 9:39:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I live in an area that grows a lot of apples, cabbages, etc...

rather than having an army of illegals picking the stuff, I always thought - wouldn’t it be much better if High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?

Of course, it will never happen.


11 posted on 11/19/2011 9:43:09 AM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Why not? They do that in Japan.


12 posted on 11/19/2011 9:46:14 AM PST by struggle
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To: napscoordinator

See my post #9. Japanese schools still employ janitors to do the heavy duty stuff, including maintenance and repairs. But just having the kids do a little not only fosters an attitude of pride in the schools, but eliminates the need for an army of SEIU workers laundering money for the Democrat machine.


13 posted on 11/19/2011 9:46:48 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
My grand son is in 6 th. grade and at his school he is sometimes assigned the job of scraping trays after lunch, I'm not clear on whether this is a punishment for some infraction or what but when he does it, his lunch is "free".
14 posted on 11/19/2011 9:47:00 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: jackibutterfly

In Asia the students rotate duties to serve lunch, daily cleaning of classroom and bathrooms. There is still a janitor and kitchen staff to handle ovens, stoves and maintenance that children should not handle, but less is needed because the students handle the majority of the lighter duties. The effect is lower school costs, teaching kids the skill of housecleaning and habit for cleanliness. Most important it creates peer pressure against vandalism. If one student vandalizes the school and fellow students must clean up his/her damages, they will turn on him/her. It would be an interesting experiment for our inner city schools where most of the vandalism occurs.


15 posted on 11/19/2011 9:47:47 AM PST by Fee
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To: PGR88
rather than having an army of illegals picking the stuff, I always thought - wouldn’t it be much better if High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?

I grew up in cotton country and every fall schools let out for two weeks for cotton harvest. They made up this time by starting a week earlier and letting out a week later. Every kid between about 8 years old and high school seniors picked cotton. The cotton got harvested and kids made some money, many bought their own school clothes with this money.

Of course that was in the 50s and early 60s.

16 posted on 11/19/2011 9:51:32 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

What a good idea!


17 posted on 11/19/2011 9:53:40 AM PST by jpsb
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To: King Moonracer
Makes sense. Newt is smart, if not consistent. He can out-think Obama, and most of the GOP. The baggage though....

The baggage, well no one has more baggage than Obummer, we don't even know who the heck he is.

We know Newt is an American citizen, he has a birth certificate, good enough for me!

18 posted on 11/19/2011 9:53:49 AM PST by blondee123 (Gingrich is not a conservative, Cain is!)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

gosh, isn’t newt brilliant?


19 posted on 11/19/2011 9:55:46 AM PST by ken21
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To: BarnacleCenturion

There was a time when being a janitor in a school was a political appointment.


20 posted on 11/19/2011 9:56:41 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: jackibutterfly
How ‘bout putting prisoners to work -or the homeless?

Add to that the people collecting unemployment.

21 posted on 11/19/2011 9:57:41 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: BarnacleCenturion
The premise that child labor law harms adolescents and teens is well founded.

I worked consistently from the seventh grade until I graduated from high school at age 17, when I was young. Under current law, I would not have been allowed to hold a single one of those jobs, and would have been broke, and taught to hate the rich instead of do what they did to get rich.

Work.

22 posted on 11/19/2011 9:58:59 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it. (plagiarized))
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To: Graybeard58
I grew up in cotton country and every fall schools let out for two weeks for cotton harvest. They made up this time by starting a week earlier and letting out a week later. Every kid between about 8 years old and high school seniors picked cotton. The cotton got harvested and kids made some money, many bought their own school clothes with this money.

I think about this and laugh - how impossible this would be now, especially here in NY. The insurance lawyers and public unions would be all over such an idea. Many parents would scream, but if given the choice, many parents would also like the idea. Earning honest money is one of the best things you can teach a youngster.

23 posted on 11/19/2011 9:59:18 AM PST by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: PGR88
rather than having an army of illegals picking the stuff, I always thought - wouldn’t it be much better if High School kids spent 2 weeks doing this instead?

Great idea! They could get their summer tan working the fields and get paid to do so rather than on the beach sprawled out in lines like chorus girls with an audiance of guy looking like they're drooling spit.

24 posted on 11/19/2011 10:00:20 AM PST by caww
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To: PGR88

It used to....back when the minimum wage was only $1.40 farm labor was an attractive alternative for high school kids.

I really don’t see this as a federal issue though. Newt should be running for school board, not president.


25 posted on 11/19/2011 10:00:47 AM PST by scrabblehack
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To: PGR88

“Of course, it will never happen.”

It won’t happen because of progressive-era child labor laws. Like union laws, child labor laws are outdated.


26 posted on 11/19/2011 10:02:06 AM PST by sagar
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To: napscoordinator

I must have missed that part where we hire 6 year olds.

At 14 I was hiring out as a farm worker during the summer. I bought my first car when I got old enough with the money earned.

What would be wrong with hiring Seniors to do some work around the school?


27 posted on 11/19/2011 10:02:47 AM PST by Venturer
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To: BarnacleCenturion

a good way to tackle failing schools is to try to phase in as many virtual classes as possible. Every child will have an opportunity to have access and be taught by “the best” educator instead of being stuck with the worst. less cost and better results.


28 posted on 11/19/2011 10:05:08 AM PST by snowstorm12
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To: Venturer

And how is this going to help the unemployment picture? Supposedly that is important in this election


29 posted on 11/19/2011 10:07:03 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: jackibutterfly

They do put prisoners to work around here but I wouldn’t want them in our schools. Homeless people are most often homeless because of alcohol or drug addiction so, no to them too.

When I was in Jr. High a family moved to the dump, they were called rag pickers back then. They lived in an old school bus and had 8 children. The bigger kids slept in a tent. One of them was my age and his last name started with P so he was usually sitting next to me and boy did he stink. The school gave he and his brother a job and allowed them to use the showers, TBTG, and life was much better for them, their family and even me.


30 posted on 11/19/2011 10:07:34 AM PST by tiki
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Parents also need to look at how many people are on the staff of every school in relation to the number of students. One school in Oregon had one employee for every seven students. Once the people found out, they cut way back. There’s a lot of waste out there and the only way to cut it back is for the people to get involved. Ask questions and demand answers.


31 posted on 11/19/2011 10:11:18 AM PST by RC2
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To: BarnacleCenturion

It’s not the Left Newt needs to worry about, it’s his own mouth.


32 posted on 11/19/2011 10:11:47 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Graybeard58

In our schools you can volunteer for that duty and since all lunches are free they don’t get anything but an attaboy. My granddaughter used to volunteer just because she is like that, I don’t think my grandson ever has.


33 posted on 11/19/2011 10:12:38 AM PST by tiki
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Newt's forte is Education with a capital “E”

Newt is also for more colleges like the College of the Osarks. (been around over 100 years. Student graduate with little to NO student loans.)

He wants every states to start such a college. (Of course that will be fought fiercely as it leaves grads free of government servitude.)

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000056445

http://www.cofo.edu/

34 posted on 11/19/2011 10:13:45 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

When I went to elementary school we had school chores. We wiped down our desktops once a week and swept the floors every day. We also dumped out the wastebaskets, washed the blackboards and pounded erasers every day. In the winter we helped shovel the walkways and put out salt. Whenever needed, we cleaned up the school yard of trash that might have blown against the fences.

At the end of the school year we had to clean our books by erasing anything written in them and get them cleaned up for the students coming in the next fall. In the fall we made paper dust jackets for the books before we were allowed to use them. I guess kids these days don’t do any of these little chores that in the past made the school an extension of the home.


35 posted on 11/19/2011 10:16:15 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: tiki

I agree. I don’t want prisoners or homeless people near children. That just seems like a recipe for pure disaster. I went to Catholic School and each teacher had their own classroom. The TEACHER was responsible for keeping it tidy. The janitor of the school would focus on the bathrooms and sweeping. Granted, the teachers had us wipe down the desks and pick up scraps from the floor. Actually, the rooms always stayed pretty clean.


36 posted on 11/19/2011 10:20:26 AM PST by momtothree
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To: BarnacleCenturion

HIRE kids??? When I was in school, cleaning the school was part of the school day.


37 posted on 11/19/2011 10:22:19 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

Our local janitors have way to much power.

School teachers used to open up the gym on weekends and over holiday breaks so that kids could practice basketball and exercise.

But their union now demands that a janitor be on the clock while the gym is being used...even if the teacher is present!

Sadly the gyms sit empty now...unless someone is willing to pay “the rent” which really pays for the janitor.


38 posted on 11/19/2011 10:23:47 AM PST by proudpapa
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To: napscoordinator

Get a grip. He isn't saying anything of the kind and you know it. (Say hi to Mitt to us)

That said, when I was little - even at 8 years - we got out of school 2-3 weeks in the fall to pick potatoes. We LOVED it. 'Equal" to adults. In the sunshine and OUT of school. Money in our pockets tied directly to how hard we, ourselves worked. GREAT lessons.

(And, NO, our academic learning didn't suffer. When my brother I were moved to Boston, from a little One-Room school to the big city schools, we were a full year ahead.)

39 posted on 11/19/2011 10:24:02 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: napscoordinator

Ya got me there LOL


40 posted on 11/19/2011 10:24:11 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks for sharing that! GO to Newt.org and tell them about it! It would be for rebuttals.


41 posted on 11/19/2011 10:25:43 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: PGR88

Just recently people were lamenting the fact that fields with very edible gleanings are disked under and asking why farmers don’t let people go and pick them. Same answer, lawsuits, someone gets hurt and they sue. The other reason is that very few people want to do the work it takes to pick and process their own food, the grocery store is too easy and still fairly reasonable unless you are truly hungry and few are.

I will pick and bring produce to older people but I refuse to do it for able-bodied people. I tell everyone that it is there and it is free for a little labor and very few people ever avail themselves of the offer.

I know all the farmers and whenever they have gleanings they let me pick them and I can take whoever I want with me and they don’t care but once again finding someone who will take the time and put forth the effort is hard to do. People will ask me to pick them some and I refuse unless there is a darned good reason they can’t and they really need it. I don’t do welfare for able-bodied people.


42 posted on 11/19/2011 10:26:04 AM PST by tiki
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To: napscoordinator

Unemployment is important, but so is cutting the cost of education and instilling civic responsibility in the children. There are always jobs that children can’t do at the school such as clean toilets and replace lights, etc, but there are some menial chores that the children can help with. That can save us the cost of paying someone a full salary and benefits to just push a dustmop every night.


43 posted on 11/19/2011 10:26:41 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Vigilanteman

Like Japan, the kids in Thailand are responsible for cleaning their schools. Responsibility and respect are important lessons.


44 posted on 11/19/2011 10:27:28 AM PST by JimSEA (The future ain't what it used to be.)
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To: maine-iac7

Say hi to Mitt to us

I am not for liberal candidate like you are. I am for Cain, Bachmann or Sanatorum and that is it. Take your liberalism and liberal candidates and shove it and them.


45 posted on 11/19/2011 10:28:26 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: caww

LOL, that is exactly why my brother and his friends worked in the fields, getting a tan and having money which would also make them attractive to girls.


46 posted on 11/19/2011 10:28:33 AM PST by tiki
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To: King Moonracer; All
The baggage though....

the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage,the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage, the baggage,

NOW. can we give this tired old # One media/demRat talking point a rest for a bit.

so transparent.

say "hi" to Mitt for us.

47 posted on 11/19/2011 10:32:03 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: BarnacleCenturion

I work at a school, and I understand exactly what Newt means here. I get herds of students every year who have not a whit of understanding of what it means to work hard and work productively. Obligating the kids to clean after themselves and maintain the school where they work (at learning) seems like the balanced counterpart to doing chores at home.

However....

See how neatly the Wizard of Smart creates his own cow pie and steps in it with a genteel smile ? Instead of wording his thoughts carefully, Prof. Gingrich boldly proceeds as if all discussions were academic wordfests over at the local bar between fellow brianiacs. I can easily, easily, easily see his comments here can be morphed with ease by leftists into cartoons of Dickensian hovels with rag-wearing orphans hoisting mops and buckets.

I agree with Savage that Gingrich would be a disaster, if only for the image of a doughy old white guy placed in counterpart to the dapper, thin Obama. Comments like this are another concern.

Gingrich needs to go on the talk show circuit and peddle his ideas there. He’ll be eaten alive in the general election - like a professorial Dole or McCain.

God help us.


48 posted on 11/19/2011 10:32:15 AM PST by redpoll
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To: ken21
WEll, actually, in a word: YES
49 posted on 11/19/2011 10:33:55 AM PST by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: napscoordinator
He is not this stupid.

He IS this stupid.

50 posted on 11/19/2011 10:34:42 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture (Could be worst in 40 years))
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