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Perry Shares Staunch Commitment to Conservative Values at Thanksgiving Family Forum
The Cypress Times ^ | November 20, 2011

Posted on 11/20/2011 9:12:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

DES MOINES, Iowa – Texas Gov. Rick Perry Saturday participated in the Presidential Thanksgiving Family Forum, hosted by the Family Leader, where he reiterated his principled and longstanding commitment to conservative values.

“I am a faithful, fiscal and social conservative of conviction, not of convenience,” said Gov. Perry. “As Governor of the State of Texas, I have signed more pro-life legislation than any governor in my state’s history and championed and signed the Texas Defense of Marriage Act. Traditional family values are important to me, to the people of Iowa and to citizens and future of our nation. America needs to reenergize limited government, entrepreneurship and the traditional values that helped us become the greatest, most prosperous nation in history.”

Gov. Perry is a staunch defender of life, having signed more pro-life legislation than any other governor in Texas history. He most recently demonstrated his commitment to protecting the lives of the unborn in his Uproot and Overhaul Washington plan, in which he pledged to eliminate the federal funding of organizations that fund abortions, such as Planned Parenthood. He supported this same measure in Texas’ most recent legislative session by signing important legislation, Senate Bill 7 and House Bill 1, which contain provisions prohibiting tax dollars from funding abortions.

Gov. Perry strongly supports traditional marriage. He signed the Defense of Marriage Act in Texas in 2003, and supported enshrining this law in the Texas Constitution, a measure approved by voters in 2005, which defines marriage in Texas as a union between one man and one woman. He has also pledged to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that legally defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

As a life-long hunter and concealed handgun license holder, Gov. Perry has been a strong advocate for Second Amendment rights. During his tenure in Texas, he has signed “Castle Doctrine” legislation ensuring that citizens have the right to defend themselves in their homes instead of retreating. He has also worked to prevent local governments from infringing upon Texans’ rights to have legally concealed weapons on public property, cut concealed handgun license (CHL) renewal fees for military, veterans and senior citizens, and labored to protect shooting ranges from expensive, frivolous lawsuits as part of his tort reform efforts.

Last Tuesday, Gov. Perry announced his Uproot and Overhaul Washington plan, which would establish a part-time, citizen Congress, cut congressional salaries, end lifetime appointments of federal judges, issue an immediate moratorium on new and pending federal regulations, and dismantle wasteful, redundant federal agencies.

Gov. Perry has unveiled other bold and conservative policies in recent weeks, including his Cut, Balance and Grow plan and his Energizing American Jobs and Security plan. Cut, Balance and Grow cuts personal and corporate tax rates to a lower, flat 20 percent rate, cuts federal spending, ends earmarks and corporate loopholes and calls for a federal Balanced Budget Amendment. Energizing American Jobs and Security will create up to 1.2 million jobs in every sector, reduce our nation’s dependence on hostile foreign oil, revitalize manufacturing and help contain the cost of electricity and fuel.

The Presidential Thanksgiving Family Forum, hosted by the Family Leader, included discussion among GOP presidential candidates about the conservative values Americans have long cherished. The forum was moderated by Dr. Frank Luntz, with faith leaders and socially conservative activists from counties across the state of Iowa in attendance. Citizen Link and the National Organization for Marriage served as keynote sponsors.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allhatnocattle; amnesty; faith; family; life; openborders; perry; perry2012; perryastroturfing; rino
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1 posted on 11/20/2011 9:12:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What a nice - and timely - post. Thank you.


2 posted on 11/20/2011 9:14:50 AM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012!)
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To: truthkeeper

I was surprised that no one had a live thread on this, it was actually a VERY good forum/debate and it was very telling that the two non-christians (romney,huntsman) in the race didn’t bother to show up at the ONE debate/forum that was dedicated to social issues.

I think all the candidates did very well at it all all were given fairly equal time, which was nice for once to have a debate where 90% of the time is given to the liberal Romney.


3 posted on 11/20/2011 9:21:50 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

grr... why doesn’t FR have an edit feature.


4 posted on 11/20/2011 9:22:49 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
p> Perry Ping....

IF you'd rather NOT be pinged FReepmail me.

IF you'd like to be added FReepmail me. Thanks.

*****************************************************************************************************************************************************Per SD
This is just how Rick Perry is. After Hurricane Ike devastated my community, he came here to survey the damage. He did not just walk through here surrounded by security and news cameras an...d then make a speech. That's not Perry. He showed up in jeans and a work shirt, no cameras, no press conference, and he walked among all of us who had been hit. A hug, a pat on the shoulder, a listening ear, and an encouraging word. He saw to it that emergency shelters were being set up and food and water were available to everyone. When Obama/FEMA refused to help us, Governor Perry set up state funding to help us rebuild our homes and our lives. My home is at 'ground zero' where Ike came ashore. We all took tremendous damage. FEMA sent me a check two months later for $600 dollars. Governor Perry set up the Recovery Fund to help us all rebuild. That is what a true leader and a true Christian does. That's my Governor! I can't wait to see America under the caring wing of Rick Perry.


5 posted on 11/20/2011 9:25:44 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s a video well worth watching, here’s that link again...

http://www.citizenlink.com/2011/11/19/thanksgiving-family-forum-complete-video/

The actual debate/forum starts about 37 minutes in to the three hour video.


6 posted on 11/20/2011 9:28:15 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: shield
Can Rick Perry rebound in Iowa?………….”That moment inside the Schebler plant on the banks of the upper Mississippi River illustrates one of Perry's inherent political strengths - his ability to connect with people, most notably potential voters. Campaign professionals call it retail politics. And Perry will need all he can deliver - plus much more - if he hopes to rescue his foundering pursuit of the 2012 Republican presidential nomination...

A hopeful sign for Perry is the fact that many likely caucus-goers haven't firmly committed to a candidate. Bloomberg's poll found that 60 percent of those surveyed could be persuaded to back someone other than their top choice. Ten percent were undecided.

There were also indications last week that Perry was picking up converts after a two-day Iowa trip that included his policy address to "uproot" all three branches of the federal government. "I think that was one of the best speeches that I've heard from Perry," said Scott County Republican Chairwoman Judy Davidson of Bettendorf, who is neutral in the race. "He might have gained some additional support. I think people were impressed."………..

Anything can-happen feel in Iowa's 2012 vote ANAMOSA, Iowa — “The race for the Republican presidential nomination is deeply unsettled with an anything-can-happen feel six weeks before Iowans start the state-by-state process of choosing a GOP challenger for President Barack Obama.”…………….

7 posted on 11/20/2011 9:32:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: TexasFreeper2009

” (romney,huntsman) in the race didn’t bother to show up at the ONE debate/forum that was dedicated to social issues. “

Huntsman was in NYC doing a cameo as himself on SNL.
He was actually pretty funny and not as sanctimonious as usual.
But..he shouldn’t have skipped the forum for SNL.


8 posted on 11/20/2011 9:33:25 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What these six people displayed in that forum is exactly what we should all extoll.

CW, you and I have had our spats on this forum over “implied agendas” in posting certain news, or more often blog stories, negative to other candidates. The way that all the candidates showed a mutual respect for each other is the means by which we should all conduct ourselves in debating the issues and not personalities or drive by attempts to impugn.

Everyone should view the entire event because it is definitely worth the time. Rick Perry showed in this forum why I liked him before his missteps caused me to look elsewhere. I honestly do like him personally even though he considers some of my views a heartless.


9 posted on 11/20/2011 9:34:48 AM PST by mazda77 (and I am a Native Texan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry is a solid fiscal and social conservative with a successful executive governing record to back it up. Perry is the best Reagan conservative of all the 2012 wannabees. Hopefully folks will come to their senses and turn back to Perry before we are left with a candidate not qualified by conservative standards to represent the GOP.

(ps-The last thread you posted was pulled because it was put into "extended news". Guess that is a BIG no no. Instead of pulling it, they should have simply moved it out of "extended news". To be fair.)

10 posted on 11/20/2011 9:37:35 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

A writer for the UK Telegraph on what he learned from the forum .

” Rick Perry enjoys talking to Christians. After several awful debate performances, Perry was surprisingly good...... Funny and warm, the audience got a glimpse of a Perry who is much sharper on the stump. “

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100118603/saturday-nights-presidential-debate-suggests-that-former-bad-boy-newt-gingrich-is-a-born-again-front-runner/


11 posted on 11/20/2011 9:38:21 AM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good for ruff tuff guy Perry but a real ruff tuff guy is ruff and tuff on America as a soverign nation. Leaky borders and instate tuition for illegals are utter BS. I’ll still gladly vote for Rick Perry but he should stop being so gay when it comes to Mexico. And in advance I will tell anyone, I can give a flip about the “rich” Tex-Mex heritage of Texas. Just commit to building a fence in a way that sounds believable. So far RP has not done this


12 posted on 11/20/2011 9:42:53 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: shield

What a nice story and a great contrast to how zer0 handles a natural disaster.


13 posted on 11/20/2011 9:53:42 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: CajunConservative

Agree!!!


14 posted on 11/20/2011 9:59:35 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: dennisw

You must have the hispanic vote to win. It is a smart tactic in how Perry is handling this. Newt is for amnesty Perry is NOT. Cain wants fo fry illegals which has enraged all legal Hispanics. You just might want to read the ‘Art of War’ before making such statements.


15 posted on 11/20/2011 10:05:05 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It was a very good view of the candidates.


16 posted on 11/20/2011 10:16:33 AM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: South40

You don’t need the illegal vote to win.
just enforce our borders.
Legal immigrants don’t need pandering.

I know, Perry thinks it is heartless of us to keep pointing that out.


17 posted on 11/20/2011 10:22:40 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: shield
You must have the hispanic vote to win.

Actually you still need the nativist white vote to win, Hispanics tend not to vote. Plenty of liberals are disgusted by the Third Worldization of America. I have talked to them. One example was a university professor from Amherst Massachusetts and his wife  

You beat the jug eared Kenyan by appealing to fed up white boys and gals. Let the Hispanics fall where they may. Unfortunately Gov GoodHair buys into your theories which only work in Texas

18 posted on 11/20/2011 10:25:33 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: CajunConservative

I’ve seen the Governor time and time again handling disasters here in Texas and he never ceases to amaze me.

He gets right down into the action, he delegates, he works out glitches and just plain leads.

He can be very compassionate and then be stern in a “let’s get er down” now. Things start moving when the Governor speaks. Things get done.

He shows up dressed just like everyone else, rolls his shirt sleeves up and takes the lead.

I just wish sometimes that everyone could see the Governor as some of us Texans have seen him for years. I think they would be stunned.

Definitely a compassionate Leader.
Definitely a good Christian Man.


19 posted on 11/20/2011 10:33:49 AM PST by TexMom7
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To: dennisw

I have a huge number of conservative Hispanic friends who are involved with huge conservative hispanic groups throughout this country...and your statement is flat out wrong. Glad to know where you stand today regarding Governor Perry.


20 posted on 11/20/2011 10:43:26 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those guys must be exhausted with the schedules they’ve been keeping! Little sleep, lots of travel, too many exrays at the airports all take their toll. I hope they can all take a long weekend home with their families.


21 posted on 11/20/2011 10:43:40 AM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: MrEdd; South40; Cincinatus' Wife

That is false. Perry has said his use of that word was wrong because it ascribed ill motives to those who disagree with the policy, and he took it back.

To continue propagandizing the falsehood that he is standing by that statement when he disavowed it, is wrong.

As for not needing illegals to win elections, talk about a straw man argument. Name me a Republican or a Conservative who is trying to get illegals to vote, period, much less to get them to vote Republican. You can’t, because there aren’t any.

We passed into law, and Perry signed, a picture voter identification requirement in Texas. It must be a proper driver’s license or a proper state issued ID for non drivers.

As for legals not requiring pandering, there’s worlds of difference between not pandering, and saying you would gladly fry to death Mexicans who tried to come over a fence, then to backtrack by saying “it was a joke”.

Not that the facts matter to you...

But we post ‘em anyways for others who do care.


22 posted on 11/20/2011 10:48:42 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: TexMom7

He showed his organizational and leadership skills in how he handled Katrina. When you think about it, you all took in half the population of New Orleans where people literally only had the clothes on their backs.


23 posted on 11/20/2011 10:52:42 AM PST by CajunConservative ( Leadership. It is defined by action, not position.)
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To: shield

If I pull the lever tomorrow I vote Perry...despite some aggravating flaws. I prefer to be Independent but got so sick of libs-Dems picking our candidates. So I registered Republican to be able to vote in the primaries for people like Rick Perry


24 posted on 11/20/2011 10:55:37 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: txrangerette; MrEdd
That is false.

Nothing Edd has said it false. Rick Perry said we did not have a heart. You may not like that he said it, nor do we. But he did say it.

Perry has said his use of that word was wrong because it ascribed ill motives to those who disagree with the policy, and he took it back.

"Took it back"? lol!

He used the word not knowing what backlash it would produce. But he used the word because it reflected his views. That he "took it back" is meaningless. We know what he meant.

25 posted on 11/20/2011 10:55:49 AM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: dennisw
Jack Wheeler has endorsed Rick Perry. He knows Perry is the ONLY ONE RUNNING that can stop this sinking ship called America. He also knows Perry has his flaws, but which one doesn't? Wheeler has said if you want someone perfect then die and go to heaven that is the only place you will find Him. Wheeler was far Perry before he announced and even before I had made the decision to support him. Jack Wheeler is such a smart man having worked with Reagan as governor and as president. I do not always agree with Wheeler and I will tell him that but as far as Perry is concerned, I am with him all the way.

You can't put a fence in the Rio Grande river...Perry has worked his arse off trying to secure the border which is international and the whole country has benefited from his efforts. Perry knows that border and what it takes to secure it. Perry isn't soft on immigration. You might go to his website and get a clue what his stand is on it.

26 posted on 11/20/2011 11:05:49 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Reagan Man
The day after Pete was killed, I was sitting at the dining room table with Hardtail, just trying to make sense of all that was going on.

My cell phone rang. "Unknown" said the caller ID.

Thought about letting it pass, but I answered it.

"Alan, this is Rick Perry."…..

27 posted on 11/20/2011 11:20:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dennisw

Who is your candidate?


28 posted on 11/20/2011 11:22:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

GovGoodHair (for real)


29 posted on 11/20/2011 11:26:29 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

GovGoodHair (for real)


30 posted on 11/20/2011 11:26:34 AM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: shield

” if you want someone perfect then die and go to heaven “

That’s not necessary: One of my friends tells me his wife constantly reminds him of it when she talks about her first husband, RIP.

All Perry has to do is assure conservatives—not `Hispanics’!—that he will secure our borders.
And forget about “talking less and saying more”: he should be talking nonstop.


31 posted on 11/20/2011 11:30:25 AM PST by tumblindice (Don't tread on me)
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To: tumblindice
All Perry has to do is assure conservatives—not `Hispanics’!—that he will secure our borders.

He assures ALL that he will secure the border, kill off the cartels and NO amnesty.

32 posted on 11/20/2011 11:38:03 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good stuff!

Rick Perry gets it.


33 posted on 11/20/2011 11:38:56 AM PST by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

There was a live thread.


34 posted on 11/20/2011 11:38:56 AM PST by Yaelle (Still helping the Cain train wheels go round.)
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To: tumblindice

He is doing that...but it isn’t Perry’s character to be a big blabber mouth like Cain, Newt etc. He is a statesman and a true statesman isn’t one who wings it and flaps their mouth like they’ve got diarrhea of the mouth. He also isn’t a big fat liar like the others are.


35 posted on 11/20/2011 11:54:15 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
But..he shouldn’t have skipped the forum for SNL.

No...he should have skipped it. In fact he should skip running in any Republican primary. If he wants to run he should oppose obama in the rat primaries!

36 posted on 11/20/2011 12:10:25 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: South40; txrangerette; Cincinatus' Wife
Jeasus taught in the Lord's Prayer:
“Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.”

Perry said it was the wrong choice of words and he had the humility to admit his mistake.

What would he have to do to gain your forgiveness?

37 posted on 11/20/2011 12:33:41 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (*OMG ...means Obama Must Go! ......Vote for Perry 2012)
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To: JulieRNR21
What would he have to do to gain your forgiveness?

Rick Perry doesn't need my forgiveness nor do I believe he wants it. This isn't even about forgiveness. It's about his having revealed his true feelings regarding conservatives like myself who think giving taxpayer funded subsidies to ILLEGAL aliens is wrong.

It's an ideological difference of opinion in which forgiveness doesn't play a part.

38 posted on 11/20/2011 12:54:46 PM PST by South40 (NO RINOS IN 2012!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All the candidates did a good job - they became “people” instead of candidates. Don’t think Romney would have fared well in a Christian forum like that.


39 posted on 11/20/2011 1:04:40 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Obama in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Those guys must be exhausted with the schedules they’ve been keeping! Little sleep, lots of travel, too many ex-rays at the airports all take their toll. I hope they can all take a long weekend home with their families.

Thank you for providing us with the video.


40 posted on 11/20/2011 1:19:11 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Marcella

>Don’t think Romney would have fared well in a Christian forum like that.<

Nor his cousin, Huntsman.


41 posted on 11/20/2011 1:23:01 PM PST by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: shield

Thank you for sharing this, Perry really walks the talk. I am so impressed with him and every day I am prouder of him.


42 posted on 11/20/2011 1:57:22 PM PST by Katarina (Rick Perry the Best man for President ! NEVER Romney! And no thank you Cain.)
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To: South40
Rick Perry doesn't need my forgiveness nor do I believe he wants it. This isn't even about forgiveness. It's about his having revealed his true feelings regarding conservatives like myself who think giving taxpayer funded subsidies to ILLEGAL aliens is wrong.

It's an ideological difference of opinion in which forgiveness doesn't play a part.

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Fair enough....but you then also have an ideological difference with the people of Texas who through their elected representatives voted almost unanimously (with only 4 no votes) in both Houses of their Legislature to grant under certain conditions.....in-state tuition, not free tuition, to those graduates of their High Schools. My friends who live in Texas tell me it was an economic decision to give these students an opportunity to learn a skill in a Community College or pursue a career rather than become a burden to the taxpayers of the state.

43 posted on 11/20/2011 2:50:46 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (*OMG ...means Obama Must Go! ......Vote for Perry 2012)
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To: JulieRNR21
Fair enough....but you then also have an ideological difference with the people of Texas who through their elected representatives voted almost unanimously (with only 4 no votes) in both Houses of their Legislature to grant under certain conditions.....in-state tuition, not free tuition, to those graduates of their High Schools.

And I take the conservative view and disagree with those people in Texas who think giving taxpayer funded subsidies to ILLEGAL aliens is a good thing.

My friends who live in Texas tell me it was an economic decision to give these students an opportunity to learn a skill in a Community College or pursue a career rather than become a burden to the taxpayers of the state.

Harry Reid...is that you? That is precisely the liberal argument Reid made when he was pushing the federal DREAM Act. It's also the exact same argument California's uber-liberal governor Jerry Brown made when he was advocating for a similar bill in the very liberal state of California. Harry Reid likes it. Jerry Brown likes it. Heck, even Bill Clinton likes it.

Do you really believe that advocating for liberal policies is a good thing simply because some people in Texas may like it? I don't -- most conservatives don't -- it is, in fact why Rick Perry is polling at 3% because Americans don't.

There is NO legitimate excuse for any Republican to be advocating for taxpayer funded subsidies for ILLEGAL aliens. None. But I am sure Harry Reid, Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton would thank you for making their argument for them.

44 posted on 11/20/2011 3:01:59 PM PST by South40
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have some concerns about Gov. Perry (as I do about all the candidates), but I want him to continue in the race.

I'm not influenced by all the polls that are posted.

FR is where the truth about all the candidates will come out eventually, though it usually takes a while, and is prefaced by lots of verbal arm wrestling, head bonks, and wedgies.

Let Gov. Perry give it his best shot, let FR posters take their best shots at him (pro and con), and let the chips fall where they may.

45 posted on 11/20/2011 3:41:06 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: dennisw
"I will tell anyone, I can give a flip about the “rich” Tex-Mex heritage of Texas. Just commit to building a fence in a way that sounds believable. So far RP has not done this.

Governor Perry has described in detail what he wants to do on the border. He as promised to seal the border within a year if he is President. You should know that there is not enough money for Texas to do it alone. This is a federal responsibility. We should thank the people of Texas for being willing to finance what they have done.

The job of running a fence is a complicated matter. I give a quick look at the Rio Grande River portion of the fence problem. The river makes up 1,254 miles of the nearly 2,000-mile border. So, let's put on our pragmatic thinking caps and look at the problem of fencing the Rio Grande:

You talk about America as a sovereign nation. What about the land rights of your fellow citizen? Do you want a fence to take out their access to property that goes out to the middle of the Rio Grande? How are you going to build a fence out in the middle of the Rio Grande? Are you going to sit back and watch people lose hundreds of acres of land that their families have owned for generations be cut off with a fence? And, will the rich land owners let the fence cut through their property.

If people are so intent on a fence, why not start a citizen's fence building fund. Included in that cost, will be proper compensation for the loss of land (and the future loss of income). Included will be the cost of fencing along the Rio Grande which would destroy all kinds of economic activities along the river. For instance, gourmet river trips in Big Bend National Park:

Instead, you want this?

Just to prevent this?

When they have run tunnels under the Rio Grande like this one:

Do you think Governor Rick Perry could have built a fence with all of the complicated issues involving just the Rio Grande River?

Put on your pragmatic thinking cap.

46 posted on 11/20/2011 4:42:48 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: dennisw
"Gov GoodHair . . ."

You sound very superficial, along with all those who do it, to be making fun of how a man combs his hair.

Here is a man who knew how to comb his hair:

See much difference?

47 posted on 11/20/2011 5:12:59 PM PST by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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48 posted on 11/20/2011 5:13:42 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: South40

There is NO legitimate excuse for any Republican to be advocating for taxpayer funded subsidies for ILLEGAL aliens. None. But I am sure Harry Reid, Jerry Brown and Bill Clinton would thank you for making their argument for them.

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I don’t understand how you can call it a ‘subsidy’ since they are paying tutition to go to a Texas community or state college.

My friends who told me their rational for supporting this are conservative and they said it made economic sense to them.

I believe the people of a state have the right to determine tuition guidelines for their state. My friends live there, vote there and pay taxes there....so it is their right regardless of what you or I think.


49 posted on 11/20/2011 5:20:09 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (*OMG ...means Obama Must Go! ......Vote for Perry 2012)
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To: jonrick46

That GoodHair® helps get him elected in Texas and maybe to the Presidency. If Obama was a bald headed stooge he would not have been elected President. Millions of people decide who to vote for based on how the candidate appears on the boob tube


50 posted on 11/20/2011 5:39:37 PM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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