Skip to comments.Giving Newt a Pass
Posted on 11/21/2011 11:32:24 AM PST by Fred
I cant understand why Newt Gingrich is getting such a pass on his Freddie Mac consulting. He claims to have been a historian for this outfit? FHLMC needs a historian like the U.S.A. needs a Department of Education, like Europe needs a common currency, like like I dunno, like Michelle Obama needs another $12,000 accessory.
I sputtered about this on last weeks Radio Derb:
Newts trying to ju-jitsu the thing, telling us that his experience as a shill for Freddie Mac gave him valuable insider understanding of governmental affairs. Isnt that what we want in a candidate, valuable insider understanding of governmental affairs? Quote from Newt, on the campaign trail in Iowa Wednesday, quote: It reminds people that I know a great deal about Washington. We just tried four years of amateur ignorance, and it didnt work very well. So having someone who actually knows Washington might be a really good thing.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
Excuse me, nitwit - how is it weasel words to say I pasted the quote verbatim from the linked article? You are the one accusing me specifically of twisting Newt's words - a very specific allegation. And now you're too puny a punk to retreact that slur when I pointed out what happened.
What is it with this Populist insanity, that in order to correct this vast network of governmental ambiguity that has been created over the last 100 years, that we can best do so by getting rid of all the experienced professional people, and replacing them with complete amateurs and trainees.
That would be like firing all the Generals in the Military, and replacing them with boot camp civilians. Imagine all the wars we would win by doing something that stupid? Well, what you are saying we need to do, is essentially the same thing.
The Newt-haters are ridiculous.
"Derbyshire has differed from his fellow writers at National Review on many subjects. For example, Derbyshire supported Michael Schiavo's position in the Terri Schiavo case, ridiculed George W. Bush's "itty-bitty tax cut, paid for by dumping a slew of federal debt on your children and grandchildren", has derided Bush in general for being too sure of his religious convictions and for his "rich-kid-ness", dismisses small-government conservatism as unlikely to ever take hold (although he is not unsympathetic to it), has called for immediate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq (but favored the invasion), opposes market reforms or any other changes in Social Security, is pro-choice on abortion, supports euthanasia in a fairly wide range of circumstances, and has suggested that he might (in a time of international crisis) vote for Hillary Clinton as president."
How many ways and how many times can you mischaracterize the sentence? “Every American should be interested in expanding housing opportunities.” Explain to me how that sentence is so doamning in your eyes, to Newt’s position on the eceonomy, why to reign in Freedie and Fanny, and how your repeated efforts as spittlgeist to try and assassinate Newt via msicharacterization is hleping whom you support for the nomination. BTW, whom was it again that you want to support by assassiantion of Newt’s character?
Perhaps because the professionals have screwed everything up so royally, because their professional training is so divorced from the real world?
Somehow, I just can’t imagine Jon Huntsman’s name on one of those bottles. Just sayin’ ...
I guess I lived through a different housing meltdown than you did. Silly me.
Newt is pushing good intentions. We all know how that road is paved and where it took us. He is rationalizing taking money from one of the key players in the meltdown.
to Newts position on the eceonomy, why to reign in Freedie and Fanny, and how your repeated efforts as spittlgeist to try and assassinate Newt via msicharacterization is hleping whom you support for the nomination.
I am neutral now. I just don't think Newt is the right answer. And I never realized that pointing out all of the times that Newt has stood with Democrats, and all of the Beltway money he has taken, is assasination. I always thought it was the underlying truth. I guess you just don't like it.
It's a Diet Coke. Caffeine-free.
Ah, so in your mental tagteam you are now prepared to tell us how the sentence is so damning. Perhaps you will also tell us the ‘deeper’ meaning of the sentence, how it reveals some dark side in Newt Gingrich? Spitting incessantly in the end exposes your lack of epth, your lack of understanding, and it works to aid Barry the Bassturd by suppressing conservativeturnout and destroying the momentum oc conservatism to get the coomie bassturds out of office. But then I suspect n00bs like you know that and it is why you are here pretending to be in such agreement with any who will continue the cirular firing squad. Sadly, the poor deluded posters do not see you for what you are, n00b.
“Excuse me, nitwit - how is it weasel words to say I pasted the quote verbatim from the linked article?”
How was I able to find the REAL quote and you weren’t?
Because I am interested in the truth, not character assasination, that’s why.
“I didnt knowwwwwwwwww....” Hmmmpph.
And you say I am the nitwit. You are dumber than a rock. I made an allegation that is true. You aren’t man enough to admit it. You asked for us poor Newt defenders to punch a hole in your pretzel logic. Consider it done. Put down the shovel. Pick up some balls.
You say that almost with satisfaction. And you seem to be a willing participant to it by slamming Newt as an alternative.
Newt is infinitely better than Romney.
I am a hardcore Tea Party member who was prepared to go all-in to support a Palin candidacy and then switched to Cain when she decided not to run.
I have been following Newt Gingrich for a long time and am dismayed by how many Tea Party members are so easily fooled by him.
Newt Gingrich is not what you think he is.
He is telling you what you want to hear without really meaning it.
He is the ultimate insider.
Why didnt he say anything about the insider trading by Congress?
Newt has a long history. Please do your research. Please do not support him only because he seems smart in the debates. Please do your research.
Newt is totally wrong for the Tea Party.
In your imagination.
And you seem to be a willing participant to it by slamming Newt as an alternative.
Oh sure. Blame this field of candidates on me.
Newt is infinitely better than Romney.
I don't see it that way.
My favorite part is how Romney is waiting outside like a creep waits outside bars to pick up the drunk chick needing a lift home.
Bingo. Agenda indeed. And many posters who usually immediately discount anything from NR, now wish to hold it up as authoritative?
And when I told you I cut and pasted it, you continued attacking me as a liar.
BTW, even in the context you provided, Newt is defending his role with Freddie as he denies being a lobbyist. First of all, the good intentions that Newt mentioned about expanding housing were the driving force behind lowering lending standards. That is what happens to good intentions in DC - they get perverted as soon as enough people figure out how to make a lot of money off of them. Newt knows that but apparently has you bamboozled with his spin defending his tenure as a Freddie advisor. You apparently have discarded your natural skepticism of such DC nonsense in your zeal to push Newt as the anti-Romney.
Second of all, I don't believe for one minute that Freddie and all of the other outfits that paid Newt hansomely only paid him for advice. They paid him for influence, something a former speaker has in spades.
You can believe Newt's I-am-not-a-lobbyist BS if you want. I don't. It flies in the face of what we know about how that town operates.
My hope is that your prognostication skills hold true to form.
Isn’t there a difference between a campaign contribution and being paid as a consultant? Why are our tax dollars going through Fannie and Freddie to political campaigns?
We can discuss how the consulting fees were handle, the value of Newts advice vs. the payment, etc. But don’t try to tell me he did the same thing that he criticized Obama for. He didn’t.
P.S. - Thanks to jessduntno for busting you on your lying half-quote. Newt is right, every American should be interested in expanding housing opportunities. Aren’t you interested in that? I think every American should be interested in expanding all economic opportunities.
Newt didn’t say it in context of supporting Fannie and Freddie. Expanding housing opportunities and supporting Fannie and Freddie are not the same. (In the long run, they are probably the opposite.)
How long does it take for a true “outsider” to go to Washington and soon become one of them? And how many times has that pipe dream been promised, made a reality, and then fallen back into the same old rut?
Pretty much every time.
How was I able to find the REAL quote and you werent?
“And when I told you I cut and pasted it, you continued attacking me as a liar.”
So, you got no answer? Lazy, stoned, or just stupid? All of the above?
You can cut an paste pictures of Bigfoot, genius.
Hey Dirtboy, in another thread you refused acknowledge the truth about Newt’s first wife. You were still quoting the garbage from the msm regarding his wife having cancer.
Why? I didn't predict anything.
Well, at least an outsider starts with trying to stand up to the process. Even if it is only a year or two of fighting the prevailing winds before they are overwhelmed and co-opted, at least there is some slowing of the march towards insanity.
Odd how after months of their recklessly trash talking all the other candidate, the Newt cult want their guy to get a free pass.
The Newt supporters around here demonstrate all the standard characteristics of Cult of Personality followers.
In response to any criticism of their cult figure, they go into screaming personal attack mode trying to obfuscate or divert.
Apparently anything is allowable to a Newt-bot as long as it prevents even the slightest hint of reality penetrating their daily worshiping at the shrine of St. Newt.
Liar. Show me one time where I said anything about Newt serving his wife with divorce papers in the hospital. My comments were about Newt having affairs, which is a known fact.
You trolls can't even get your own facts right in your zeal to attack anyone who dares point out Newt's many, many issues.
I notice you can’t be bothered to respond to my point that even if I take the entire quote from Newt, it is still problematic. I guess you just have to bite my ankles because that is all you’ve got.
I wish a person who has shown us those qualities were running. I would support them. Instead, we have Newt.
Ramrod a balanced budget? None of the budgets in this time were balanced, save through smoke and mirrors.
Create jobs? I thought we all agreed that the Feds cannot create jobs.
Cut government jobs? They did drop by about 8% over that time, but I don’t recall much that he did to actually push it.
Cut welfare - he gets a star for supporting that idea.
Kick ass and take names? Nope. Not even close. He compromised away most of his advantages. To be fair, most of that group of GOP establishment pretending to be conservatives did the same.
Do you deny that Newt's quote was an effort on his part to defend taking a lot of money from that insitution?
Do you deny that Newt has become rich playing the part of the Beltway insider?
Do you deny that if this story broke and it was about a retired Dem instead of Newt, you'd be posting about how it proves how corrupt Freddie is - and how corrupt the Dem receipient of that money is as well? And how it shows how incestuous and inbred the town is?
Nah, SCREAM LIAR AT DIRTBOY! HE'S THE SCOUNDREL!
He’s not getting a pass. Consulting is what Newt has been doing for years now. He has American Solutions and another think tank organization. Consultants get paid big bucks. He has not charged any higher fees than the average. If there was anything to this the MSM would be all over him. There isn’t.
Yeah, it takes far more creative accounting to enrich one's self with campaign contributions than it does as a 'consultant'.
You call that a defense?
I swear, it's like being attacked by zombies. Their brains are shut down but they still like to bite.
Consulting for what? How to get ethanol subsidies extended? How to get the prescription drug benefit passed? How to talk to pubbies about how wonderful Freddie is and trying to expand homeownership?
Yeah, I'm sure Newt delivered value to his clients. While helping drive the growth of the federal behemoth.
Bill Buckley is rolling in his grave. The National Review is no longer conservative.
True. But the problem here is that, in the Freddie Mac case, Newt took taxpayer money - my money - to be an "historian".
It kind of reminds my of that old movie "On the Waterfront". The corrupt union boss (Lee J. Cobb) appointed all his buddies "delegates" so they could be paid with union dues.
I suppose “everybody” don’t like the only real conservative Michele Bachmann..
AND most don’t like Newt the only sane candidate in the house.. but he “IS” the devil..
BUT he is “OUR” devil..
Most know Romney is a progressive “shill” you know a synthetic Juan McLaim..
AND Perry talks a good game with good credentials but is too palsy with democrats.. probably can be bought..
Cain is an ex-federal reserve VeeP.. so much for his insider credentials..
You don’t get that job on a whim... the boy is connected..
I am left with Ron Paul.. crazy as a junk yard rat..
You know that might be our best bet!!!!!!..
Nah, SCREAM LIAR AT DIRTBOY! HE’S THE SCOUNDREL!
I never said you were a scoundrel.
Can’t you stop misquoting people?
And for the record, I have never been unhappy with his performance while in office. You have pointed out none.
You have lied and misdirected to achieve your goal...again.
And you have yet to debate one point I have raised - about the problems with Newt's good intentions comments about Freddie, and just the fact that if the story had broke and it would have been a Dem, you would have been all over it as proof of Freddie/DC/Dem corruption.
Why am I not suprised that a Newt zombie can only bite and no longer think?
BTW, I have found that those who try to rely on a hypertechnical defense, as you are here, usually have little else to buttress their case.
Why don't you inform readers which candidate you support with your insults, smarmy name calling, and lies? Aren't you proud to tell us whom you support with your chldish name calling and specious assertions?
Perhaps it has not yet occurred to you that when readers find out whom you claim to be supporting with your personal insults of fellow freepers and your specious assertions regarding supporters of candidates you do not support, you are adding to the negatievs of the candidate you do support or at least claim to support. So, tell us, johnnie, which candidate is it that you are adding negatives to by being such an obnoxious voice for this 'candidate'.
“BTW, I have found that those who try to rely on a hypertechnical defense, as you are here, usually have little else to buttress their case.”
Yeah...pointing out the liars in the crowd is pretty hyper, alright. Thanks for playing, Junior.
A lot of fussing about Newt from the parasites on the left. I suspect the socialists don’t want to see him up against the Kommunity Organizer Kenyan.
Meanwhile, where’s Mitt?
“Love the way the Newt-bots go into screaming personal attack mode the second anyone posts anything critical of St Newt around here.”
Don’t mind the criticism. It’s the liars and fakes that draw fire.
He was a consultant, and many of the things he advised them to do are exactly the suggestions that have been made since (for example, particularly with regard to their increasingly risky lending policy). Fannie and Freddie may not have been good things, but they were established entities at that time, and the only question was how to make them work.
They took none of his suggestions. It was all eyewash to make them look good, and is the usual song and dance of every NGO or agency: hire a consultant, get all sorts of ideas from him, thank him and throw all his ideas in the trash.
Huck, my man, you forgot to add, Herman, Michelle, Rick, Rick, Ron, Mitt and Jon.
Obama, on the other hand, is a man of integrity and outstanding character.
You are pathetic and we don't need your sage advice telling us that every pubbie candidate is a slimy low life and none can meet your high standards.
Surprised to hear someone saying that around here, but if that's what you think, there's probably no helping you.
“how is it weasel words to say I pasted the quote verbatim from the linked article?”
Here is what you said right before the quote: “Now here he is in Iowa this week defending Freddie Mac. Quote:...”
The quote didn’t say a damned thing about Freddie Mac. That is how it is weasel words
It always feels like you’re being attacked by zombies when you haven’t made your case. I have serious misgivings about all of the candidates.
You seem to have a problem with Newt working as a consultant for Freddie Mac. You said “I don’t believe for one minute that Freddie and all of the other outfits that paid Newt hansomely only paid him for advice. They paid him for influence, something a former speaker has in spades.” Did he? I thought he was damaged goods, resigned in disgrace, and only still in the discussion because he can speak articulately on the issues (even if he’s on the wrong side sometimes.)
As I heard it, Newt said he worked as a consultant and was frustrated because much of the advice he gave was ignored. Someone at the top of FM said that’s not exactly true. I happen to believe Newt until shown otherwise. I can see them hiring a token Repub to ensure bipartisan blame for a fall while ignoring his advice. I can see Newt’s ego saying “I can help fix this” and “my advice is worth what they are paying.” (If they used it, it might have been.)
Why should I believe them over Newt? Don’t confuse a poorly articulated point on your part with stupidity on the part of your audience.
Meanwhile, you steadfastly avoid anything remotely resembling a substantive debate. But I guess that's what Newt zombies do. Guess what? Your bites won't gain converts on FR, just drive them away.