Skip to comments.Gingrich 'prepared to take the heat' with talk of amnesty ("Let's be humane in enforcing the law")
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“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who’ve been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them,” Gingrich said during a discussion about illegal immigration and border security. “I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties.”
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Wasn’t Santorum good on this too? Not pro-amnesty? I didn’t actually pay attention to anything he was saying though.
Newt is being a realist. He also said that there are millions in the US that would have to go.
Better realize that as a country the immigration and border enforcement crisis goes back many years and over numerous administrations of both parties. He is taking a rational approach of separating those who have been productive and set roots with lifestyles that are compatible with our values as Americans over years from those who come to abuse our system, or worse, commit crimes.
Gingrich is not taking the bait of those (including some on Free Republic) who are just dying to reinforce the false myth that Republicans are racists and separatists. He is creating opportunities for rational alliances with many Latins who want to and may vote Republican. We can win and make real progress, and not throw away our chances to win Florida, which for sure we will lose if he throws meaningless, unrealistic red meat for some to lose the support of many others.
Newt has more brains than most on practical approaches to solving very serious problems and I support him.
Anybody who believes that all we need is to elect a president who promises to come in and simply round up 10 - 15 million people, verify their status and ship them out and we go back to the good old days just like that, needs to think. It ain’t gonna happen like that. Now, if you recognize that the Spanish-speaking people have for the most part a great family culture, are excellent workers and are strong church-goers, you see that there are many points of commonality with maintstream conservatives. Guess what, they detest Obama, too. They detest the failure to defend the border, too. They hate crime, too. They hate the low-lifes, too. They know that when a person with a Spanish-sounding name is arrested for a crime, there are millions of Anglos ready to paint the entire community with the same, bigoted brush. Like it or not, some of the people on this forum do that, too. Think before you judge Newt on this. He is taking the smart path.
But we want purity here at FR, which we never get anyway, and what we're going to end up with is Obama for 4 more years and COMPLETE amnesty. We're a clever sort, aren't we?
Newt's dead? No, the country is dead if we re-elect the Chicago disaster to another term.
Will someone explain to me how Cain’s plan to deal with the illegals already here is different from Newt’s plan to deal with the illegals already here?
It seems EXACTLY the same to me.
“..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws” - Herman Cain
The “realistic” view is the Arizona example. Enforce the laws, require employers to check their citizenship, the illegals will deport themselves.
My great-grand parents all came here legally as well. Believe me, I know what you’re saying. I have felt the same way.
I guess I’ve just had to step back and realize that yeah, what they did was probably stupid in trying to get here but their dignity as human beings trumps my feelings that they took a lot of our resources away. If they are criminals-deport them, if they have done nothing but work hard-make them go through all the immigration stuff and then accept them, while tightening up the border.
Oh yeah, he is. I forgot about him though, haha. I refuse to vote for any illegal lover, so that narrows it down to 3 for me. A sad state of affairs when a majority of the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES support a Democrat position.
I’m Hispanic. My grandparents immigrated to the U.S., thus resulting in me. Not all Latinos are automaatically pro-illegal.
Let us all *not* forget that even Sarah said it’d not be humane to deport all the illegals. See below.....
Univision: Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska?
Sarah Palin: I dont know, I dont know. Thats a good question.
Univision: As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported?
Sarah Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant — there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants — not only economically is that just an impossibility but thats not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.
Univision: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants?
Sarah Palin: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. Theyve got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.
Well FUNG. I live in the belly of the beast of this immigration crap in SW Texas and I am sick to death of what it is doing to our state and country. The money is incalculable into the billions a year just for Texas. I have probably 20-25 natural born hispanic Americans and they are all to the last one against path to citizenship, amnesty or what ever they want to call it.
I had hopes for you NG but I will not vote for you if you were the last person on the ballot.
Right. Gingrich is be especially inhumane to the American unemployed.
I asked you not too long ago to provide a link. Cain came out in favor of Arizona’s immigration law tonight. Probably was his best statement.
I have an easier one, CUT OFF THE F'ING $$$$ these ILLEGALS are getting from us tax payers. Not a weening, cut it off country wide with an immediate effective date. The tide on the border will turn overnight. They are here because our Government has become entirely too generous with our treasury while they get dry and grow some roots.
Let’s be realistic here on a few points:
1. Newt has essentially the same position as all but Bachmann. Even Palin, if she were running, has said the same things, more or less.
2. As much as some Freepers drool over the idea of busloads of guys in sambreros handcuffed in a flatbed truck driving south on I-35, it’s just not going to happen.
3. Selective deportation, employer enforcement, and cutting off the goodies will work better than any attempts at “round ‘em up and ship ‘em out” ever could.
4. Outside the conservative movement, ideas like #2 and #3 won’t sell with the public at large.
The bigger problem is nobody has kept their promise to seal the borders and enforce immigration law. Not Reagan, not Bush 41, not Clinton, not Bush 43, not Obama. Not Rick Perry. Arizona and Gov Brewer have come close, and I think more laws like that are needed. These and similar other state laws support deportation at large either, just the ability to ask the question if someone is “caught”.
Wanna get a feel for Newt’s position, or any of the others? Get specifics on how they feel about the AZ law.
In reality, this will hurt Newt just enough to help someone who is slicker, and prettier, but worse overall on the issues than he is. Mitt Romney. Unless Cain can hold on.
If you think this is not a HUGE issue with the American people.....you’re huffing whippet canisters.
The majority of real AMERICANS, who don’t sit down to pee, want ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN BEANERS DEPORTED and the BORDER SEALED. PERIOD.
The story of American jobs and labor is deeply intertwined with predatory Federal, state and local taxation and regulation....
South Koreans sleep soundly on their border with NORKS because of American Taxpayer dollars and the American GI.
Why cant Texans, New Mexicans, Arizonans and Californians?....BECAUSE
Illegal immigration is THE KEY to the perpetuation of the status quo in DC......
Predatory tax and regulatory policies-actions that basically serve to perpetuate and grow governments-leave what business is left in the country seeking disposable labor.
Illegal Labor is the Feds out for preserving the status quo regarding Taxes and Regulation. Interestingly, that is WHY the Feds encourage in-state tuition etc for illegals under-the-table -their presence providing disposable labor allows Federal, State and local regulatory and tax excess in the status quo to continue
Immigration is the ultimate litmus test as to the candidates in question commitment to meaningful regulatory and tax reform. If they are wishy-washy on the subject...they have no real intent to disturb the DC status quo...
Real leadership is that which will place Flyover Countrys interest ahead of the Feds....havent yet seen anything meaningful anywhere from anybody to indicate that might happen. We have just one more election cycle to make that happen via rule of law. Otherwise its the end of the run for America.
Newt is pulling a Slick Willie
Clinton ran down our Founding Fathers to get votes
Newt is being ‘sensitive’ to illegal aliens that lied and cheated 25 years ago - and still do
Newt would not lie or cheat would he?
Let’s ask his first 2 wives.....
I’ll bet Newt made sure that his books were also published in Spanish -
Speaker Gingrich may be able to walk this back and minimize the damage by forcefully demanding a substantial fine be assessed against the illegal aliens that broke our laws long ago but have maintained decades-long family and community roots without a criminal record. There must be some tangible penalty for breaking the law and to avoid deportation, otherwise, how is this not amnesty?
The Gingrich campaign has stepped up to a cliff and may have gone over the edge in the eyes of a huge block of conservative base GOP voters with his position on illegal immigration revealed in tonight's debate.
Illegal immigration is such a hot button issue that directly bears on the survival of our nation's culture, prosperity, and security. I know it certainly caused me to switch the standing of Gingrich versus Cain in my preference.
Yup. Nobody else (save for Bachmann) has said specifically that, yes, millions DO have to go.
Sorry. Someone has posted the Cain’s article on several threads:
Same as Newt and Perry (with the exception of Perry’s tuition breaks), pro-border control, pro-fines, pro enforcing the laws.
Still, even Cain wants a non-deportation way of dealing with the millions of illegals already here. He has said so several times.
It was worth repeating.
You are right on some, but there can be a stronger hand. First of all, follow the Arizona law. Second, any illegals arrested for a crime has got to go. Third, focused infiltration of gangs especially MS-13. Fourth, federal prosecution of state officials who fail to enforce federal laws. This can be done and help bring order back to our society. Heat alone will help stem a lot of the problem. The problem is that the federal gov’t and presidents of both parties have ceded US sovereignty in California especially and have invited and encouraged the problem to grow.
Illegal immigration is a problem, but the bigger immigration problem is one we’re afraid to talk about - the CULTURAL one. More specifically, do they live American lives? Or do they live as they do “back home” whilst taking advantage of the American economy, entitlements, and resources? Even if you’re legal, if you want to live here, you need to want to be an American.
Ain’t happening bucko. That’s debate society baloney. If it’s so popular, why aren’t all Republican candidates pushing for all the beaners to get kicked out?
Oh, that’s right. They would like to get elected.
Cain has the same position - a non-deportation means of dealing with the millions of illegals already here:
See my tagline.
So Newt who makes a commercial supporting AGW now supports amnesty for illegals because it’s humane! Why am I not surprised? If nothing else I’m glad Numbster Gingrich isn’t pulling regular duty in a college classroom indoctrinating impressionable young adults.
I’ve seen the great graphic with Romney as used car salesman. Can we do one with the Numbster.
I’m with ya on that, or at least the first half of that.
RINO BE GONE!!!!!
Im a Cain supporter and looking at a realistic action in dealing with 11-20 million illegals. Shipping them all out aint gunna happen, anyone proposing to do so will lose.
In the words of Lucy Van Pelt of “Peanuts” fame: “Boy are you Stupid, Newt Gingrich.”
Yep, climate control, amnesty, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and health insurance mandates. This is the Romney alternative??
the words missing from your quote are “not amnesty”. Not sure what that actually means, but that was back in 2007 before his Presidential run. From tonight, he came out in favor of the Arizona immigration enforcement law. That’s good stuff.
I agree you can fold these into my points and it would get much support. Securing the border, then deporting the “bad guys” will get the illegal immigration talk started. Deport them all is a non-starter.
We have “compassionate conservatism” to thank for the loss of California. Republicans will soon lose every other state if immigration trends are not reversed.
Do a little research on “Operation Wetback” during the 50’s and you will see the results that even a comparatively modest mass deportation drive can have. If we began seriously enforcing, millions would self-deport. It’s been done before. The only people I hear talking about sending them all home at once are amnesty supporters setting up a very weak straw man.
Most of the candidates support the AZ law.
But you see what I am talking about. Cain has the same position as Newt on the issue of what to do with the millions already here - selective deportation, but not blanket deportation.
That’s all I’m pointing out. Both are to the left of Bachmann on the issue - who favors blanket deportation, and to the right of most of the others on stage who would not deport anyone or would give things like tuition breaks, etc.
Go back to Reagan...Newt’s pretty much taking the same stand.
Wow! That was fast! Thanks! Mind if I spread it around a bit?
You are absolutely right. My father came to the US in 1937 from Colombia, legally. He was very young, went to night school, became a citizen, and went right into the Army and fought in WWII for 3 years. He pledged himself to our country and raised his family as Americans. He fully assimilated and helped others coming here by telling them to be American and embrace this culture. I know many others of Latin descent like me with very similar backgrounds and we are conservatives! We are of the American culture. I observe that there needs to be a real bridge built between us and those of Anglo, European, and even Asian (many Indians, Vietnamese, Chinese, etc.) who are wanting to have real friendship and community alliance. This is possible and very crucial in advancing our culture. Look how effective the left is in pitting cultures and societies against one another, and conservatives do a poor job of uniting beyond their traditional base. There needs to be new alliances that will strengthen the American culture.
We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin president in the most crushing tidal wave of enthusiastic good judgment ever seen in the history of this nation. With that one bold move we will accomplish the dual goals of seeing America led by the greatest natural born leader in our generation, even as we witness the final implosion and last agonized shrieks of our endlessly lying extreme left loonies. Their entire movement, from the fabricated attacks on Bush beginning with Blood For Oil to the crammed-down-our-gullets lies of Obamacare and the Shovel Ready Stimulus, have been nothing but one vile deceit heaped upon another. Such an absolute inability to deal in the truth or to face the facts of our situation and its solutions only proves that there is simply no place at the grown-ups table for these diseased sputa. Good riddance to rubes and bad rubbish. Time to usher in the American Renaissance, carried in on the invigoratingly freshening breeze of President Sarah Palin.
>> At least he actually talked about who hed deport. Bachmann, too. This has got to be the first campaign weve actually seen that.
That’s good. I’m watching the rebroadcast now.
For the most part, all candidates except Bachmann have essentially the same position on illegal immigration, and Bachmann is walking dead.
1. No deportation of most illegals
2. Some legal documentation to get illegals on the record.
3. Border security.
4. Non-return paths to citizenship.
Thats as good as it going to get.
Well, the ONE tonight who went a bit further, however, was CAIN who said to return the power to the States to enforce the laws. So far . . . that is about the best policy we have seen that really works - and to enforce the laws we already have.
Self deportation would happen in a second if all we did was stop welfare handouts to them.
I STILL have no idea WHY or HOW they get welfare. WHO rationalizes this or started them on it in the first place in such large numbers?
I found it elsewhere. So yeah, it’s yours...I guess.
I think we should all be grateful to Newt. Judging from the polls, a good analogy would be the conservatives had stars in our eyes, thinking our “ex” Newt had finally “changed”. And like every other time, he screwed us over. Luckily, he did so before any vote was cast.
Thanks for the memories, Newt. Don’t hit your ass on the way out. And say hi to Ricardo for us, maybe you guys can get a job with La Raza together!
Thanks for your post about Sarah’s position on illegals. I was discussing it with a friend earlier and now I have more to give to him. Seems people are upset over Newt’s comment, but it is the only realistc approach to a very big problem. I have no problem with it.