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Gingrich 'prepared to take the heat' with talk of amnesty ("Let's be humane in enforcing the law")
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 2011-11-22 | Kim Geiger

Posted on 11/22/2011 7:54:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Edited on 11/22/2011 8:03:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people whove been here for a quarter of a century [and] separate them from their families and expel them, Gingrich said during a discussion about illegal immigration and border security. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties.


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To: RockinRight
2. As much as some Freepers drool over the idea of busloads of guys in sambreros handcuffed in a flatbed truck driving south on I-35, it’s just not going to happen.

You imply Freepers are racist for wanting to have enforced immigration laws just like Mexico and every other country south of the border. Does it matter for conservatives that the vast majority of recent immigrants, at every income level, vote Democratic?

151 posted on 11/22/2011 8:55:46 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Gene Eric

Honestly, this is the first campaign I have actually heard candidates use the word “deport” as such (Gingrich and Bachmann).

That’s a plus, not a minus!


152 posted on 11/22/2011 8:55:46 PM PST by TitansAFC ("..then propose a reasonable program for the 12 million (illegals) who broke our laws" - Herman Cain)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128303672


153 posted on 11/22/2011 8:56:20 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kennard

>> It was all an artifice intended to make the Republican mainstream look heartless.

I agree, a bogus and shortsighted characterization.


154 posted on 11/22/2011 8:56:32 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I had a freeper in the debate thread call me a Neo Nazi for wanting deportation of all illegals.

The RINOs are really starting to pay shills to post here, aren’t they..


155 posted on 11/22/2011 8:57:02 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I was using hyperbole to make a point.


156 posted on 11/22/2011 8:57:06 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; mkjessup; BufordP; All
We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin...

"Senator McCain and I agree on the big picture,
where it is that the country needs to go."

SARAH PALIN, 28 MAR. 2010

"I support [McCain's] position on immigration."
SARAH PALIN, 27 MAR. 2010

157 posted on 11/22/2011 8:57:54 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Kennard; All

Sarah said on her Univision interview that “it’d not be humane” to round them up and deport them all. etc etc.

Read my post 109 for reference.

Funny seeing current and former Sarah supporters busting Newt over this.


159 posted on 11/22/2011 8:58:16 PM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: untwist

I agree with your assessment. Purity we are not going to find in any of the candidates. If they are 100% conservative they have no chance nationally to win.


160 posted on 11/22/2011 8:58:16 PM PST by WVNan (!)
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To: sickoflibs

What we saw tonight may have just saved the republic from another Rino mess in newt as president.

God works in mysterious ways and I hope to God that those supporting this fraud just got a look at the real Newt. A political chameleon who panders to the left wing nut jobs.


161 posted on 11/22/2011 8:58:43 PM PST by CSI007
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To: Godebert

>> Bush did the same thing with that “compassionate Conservatism” nonsense.

Agreed.


162 posted on 11/22/2011 8:58:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Grunthor

not at the moment, why?


163 posted on 11/22/2011 8:59:16 PM PST by Paperdoll (quences of their misgivings.)
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To: rabscuttle385

Another pol corrupted by Cartels, Inc. Wonder what threats or money or drugs or trafficked humans they used on him?


164 posted on 11/22/2011 8:59:35 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: rabscuttle385

So the ‘humane’ Republican gives millions of illegals amnesty so they can vote in dem presidents forever.

Good plan, Newt. Are you thinking they will love Republicans because of that? If you got in, they would vote you out of a second term.


165 posted on 11/22/2011 8:59:42 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Bigun

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166 posted on 11/22/2011 9:00:18 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" @THEHermanCain)
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To: RockinRight
Perry has done all he can as Governor to secure the border at a cost of $400 million from Texas taxpayers. He has admitted the heartless comment was stupid and has gone around the country with ‘I'm sorrys’ for everyone. Secure the border, punish the employers and this problem will take care of it's self. Enforce the damn laws we have and put boots on the borders!
167 posted on 11/22/2011 9:00:18 PM PST by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, barf.

Give it up already. Sarah IS NOT RUNNING AND WON’T BE DRAFTED.

Order off the menu, or starve.


168 posted on 11/22/2011 9:00:55 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: Gene Eric

Exactly. How about he talk about how humane it is to put US citizens out of work like my cousin because all the construction companies are hiring illegals here in New york city? Even the CITY is hiring illegals to do road work. That’s all you see is when it comes to contruction and road work is Mexican Mexicans Mexicans all over the place. The working class is getting killed by illegals. The taxi biz has all been destroyed by them. When a guy was unemployed or needed some extra loot for Christmas he use to drive a cab or doing construction work. My father use to do it when he was a cop in the 1960s, moonlighting they called it. Not anymore. Illegals have all but cornered the market in those jobs and quite easily being that we have a lib Mayor who all but kisses their arses.


169 posted on 11/22/2011 9:01:27 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Nancy Pelosi - The #1 reason why we need a Constitutional amendment for Congressional drug testing.)
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To: Unmarked Package

“Speaker Gingrich may be able to walk this back and minimize the damage by forcefully demanding a substantial fine be assessed against the illegal aliens that broke our laws long ago but have maintained decades-long family and community roots without a criminal record. “

Cut the “fine” crap. It sounds just like McCain. We’re not STUPID enough to think that a “fine” would be paid by the ILLEGAL. No, we know that one or more of the following will happen, if there is a “fine”:

1) There will be a “hardship” exemption, where people that have not had much to show on tax returns (either because they didn’t make much, or, more likely, what they made never showed up on tax returns) get their “fine” waived.

2) ACORN, Soros, the DNC, or whoever pay the “fine”, so the “fine” is meaningless.

3) A judge declares the “fine” to be inhumane, so it is simply tossed out.


170 posted on 11/22/2011 9:02:24 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: RockinRight

Yeah, whatever. I take it you’ve never lived or ‘visited’ any of the 3rd world latin ‘American’ sh!t holes.

If you had, you would know that that they are lawless, poverty & crime-ridden banana republics for the most part.

I guess that’s what you want for the United States. Through mass illegal invasion they are bringing those ‘values’ with them. Our Culture is hanging by a thread. Soon we will become Norte MEXICANO......enjoy the beheadings, GORON.


171 posted on 11/22/2011 9:02:44 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: rabscuttle385

172 posted on 11/22/2011 9:02:52 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: Java4Jay

I like Cain too. But you must be blind to not realize where this country is headed. Where do u think this country will be in 6-10 years.
Do u actually believe that either party, who have caused this country killing death spiral are the same ones who can fix it?
And I am not just talking about illegals. I’m talking about our massive debt.

There are only two options that will stop this death spiral.

1. A complete wipe out of the current DC hacks (which is unlikely)
2. A Collapse (Which is more likely)

You pass tough proof of citizenship laws like Alabama did and those illegals will leave. And u keep passing laws in states to force them into states like California, which is already been overrun and is NOT EVER COMING Back.

That’s how u do it. And BTW, desperate, jobless Americans will do most of the jobs illegals do now.


173 posted on 11/22/2011 9:03:34 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: rabscuttle385; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
Newt's right. Let's send him some money, folks!


174 posted on 11/22/2011 9:03:54 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: dagogo redux
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/283240/gingrich-redux-katrina-trinko?pg=1

Partial amnesty. In May, Gingrich suggested that he would be open to a partial amnesty of illegal immigrants. “I think we are going to want to find some way to deal with the people who are here to distinguish between those who have no ties to the United States, and therefore you can deport them at minimum human cost, and those who, in fact, may have earned the right to become legal, but not citizens,” he said while campaigning in Iowa. Gingrich reiterated that viewpoint in September, saying in Orlando, “You have someone who came here at three years of age and now they’re 19. . . . I suspect we’re going to want to find some way to enable them to move toward legality, if not citizenship.”

Oh, ok it is only partial, nothing to see here move along.
175 posted on 11/22/2011 9:04:43 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" @THEHermanCain)
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To: CSI007
RE :”God works in mysterious ways and I hope to God that those supporting this fraud just got a look at the real Newt. A political chameleon who panders to the left wing nut jobs.

The fact that Newt is even temporarily considered is a statement on how pathetic the RINO party has become.

176 posted on 11/22/2011 9:04:55 PM PST by sickoflibs (Cain :"My parents didn't raise me to beg the government for other peoples money")
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To: Sacajaweau

Thanks for the link, I am on my phone so I will read it tomorrow.


177 posted on 11/22/2011 9:05:17 PM PST by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: Unmarked Package

Liberals think that laws are made to be broken. Conservatives do not believe rule of man. Newt Gingrich is a self serving egomaniac who loves to hear himself talk. He is too knee jerk and changeable to be a responsible president.


178 posted on 11/22/2011 9:05:21 PM PST by Paperdoll (quences of their misgivings.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Gingrich traitorously favors illegal aliens over his own fellow Americans.


179 posted on 11/22/2011 9:05:44 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

See post 109.

But I totally agree with your post.

Have a blessed day FRiend ~!


180 posted on 11/22/2011 9:06:00 PM PST by simplesimon (You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own "facts"...........)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I remember that one!


181 posted on 11/22/2011 9:06:25 PM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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To: tennmountainman

...desperate, jobless Americans will do most of the jobs illegals do now.

Agreed, IF our government quits handing out freebies.


182 posted on 11/22/2011 9:07:21 PM PST by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: Apollo5600

Now that I am watching the rerun, I think Santorum is doing very well. As is Herman Cain.


183 posted on 11/22/2011 9:07:38 PM PST by Paperdoll (quences of their misgivings.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

*rolling eyes* She is NOT planning to run...didn’t get the memo, huh?


184 posted on 11/22/2011 9:08:23 PM PST by madison10
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To: sickoflibs; EternalVigilance
The fact that Newt is even temporarily considered is a statement on how pathetic the RINO party has become.


185 posted on 11/22/2011 9:08:38 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: rabscuttle385
“I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who’ve been here for a quarter of a century … [and] separate them from their families and expel them,”

I have no trouble with allowing deportees to take family members home with them. Any family members who are lawful US citizens are welcome to return, as when attaining the age of majority...

186 posted on 11/22/2011 9:09:02 PM PST by ExGeeEye (It will take a revolution to reinstate the constitution. (HT FtP))
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

So true, and so sad.


187 posted on 11/22/2011 9:09:21 PM PST by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: Paperdoll

I will NEVER support Newt.


188 posted on 11/22/2011 9:09:48 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey Newt! Would it be “humane” enough allow the illegal aliens to set up Occupy Mexican Border Camps inside Mexico?

BTW, I’ll bet we could get some of the OWS people to supervise sanitation stations. Better weather now in Mexico than in NYC.


189 posted on 11/22/2011 9:10:01 PM PST by Graewoulf ( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.)
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To: tennmountainman
" Why do you want to protect illegal jobs at the expense of jobless Americans, who are looking for ANY JOB to provide for their family. "

Because it benefits the Marxists in their plans and helps the Democrat party to stay in power ? ... another RINO ploy to help the Marxists...
190 posted on 11/22/2011 9:10:15 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: doc1019

GMTA.


191 posted on 11/22/2011 9:11:51 PM PST by ExGeeEye (It will take a revolution to reinstate the constitution. (HT FtP))
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To: Fred

Newt has been making these immigration proposals in other venues and there have been several newspaper articles. I’d been wondering when it would come out in a debate with the much larger audiences and after-coverage.

It’ll be interesting to see how much this knocks him down.


192 posted on 11/22/2011 9:11:57 PM PST by Will88
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To: RockinRight
Illegal immigration is a problem, but the bigger immigration problem is one we’re afraid to talk about - the CULTURAL one. More specifically, do they live American lives? Or do they live as they do “back home” whilst taking advantage of the American economy, entitlements, and resources? Even if you’re legal, if you want to live here, you need to want to be an American.

Calvin Coolidge (a favorite of Ronald Reagan and mine) was on target on December 6, 1923 when he addressed Congress with these words -- as relevant today (if not even more) than it was then:

"American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration. It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens. Those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.”

I've said it before and I'll say it again, mere documentation alone doesn't imply assimilation.

193 posted on 11/22/2011 9:12:17 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: chesty_puller

“Perry has done all he can as Governor to secure the border at a cost of $400 million from Texas taxpayers. He has admitted the heartless comment was stupid and has gone around the country with ‘I’m sorrys’ for everyone. Secure the border, punish the employers and this problem will take care of it’s self. Enforce the damn laws we have and put boots on the borders!”

The $400M was over a decade, and it involved relocating a couple of hundred Texas Rangers. The REAL STUFF did not happen in Texas, as all us Texans know that cannot even go into a Home Depot and read the labels anymore (ok, I exaggerate a bit, but not much).

The REAL STUFF includes laws to prevent SANCTUARY CITIES, E-VERIFY, verifying legality for state services, etc. Perry has NOT done jack in those areas, which is why we have never had a problem with the federal government, like Alabama and Arizona have (i.e., states that are trying to do something to protect their people).


194 posted on 11/22/2011 9:12:45 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: icwhatudo
" Great point. How sad that so many freepers promote the strawman that “You can’t round them all up...ITS IMPOSSIBLE!” as if that was the only option. "

Because that is the talking point and their reason of logic of the left ? i.e. bleeding heart liberals...
195 posted on 11/22/2011 9:13:30 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

If we can’t deport them, then box them in sanctuary states, by passing tough proof of citizenship laws that force their migration to sanctuary states, like California, that are already overrun.

Let the sanctuary states, provide them work, food and medical care,
so the Pro-American states can ensure jobs go to legal Americans.


196 posted on 11/22/2011 9:15:40 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Fred

“Oh, ok it is only partial, nothing to see here move along.”

...you mean like 3/5s of a citizen. Let’s see how long a judge permits that stunt.

In other words, once you open the door to legalizing tens of millions of ILLEGALS, the our judges will finish the job by granting them AMNESTY and the right to vote (Democratic, of course).


197 posted on 11/22/2011 9:16:08 PM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: rabscuttle385
The question will be how to prevent or deal with future illegals.

Another amnesty?

That's the bigger problem. Neither party dealt with that problem after the Reagan years. Not really Reagan but Congress.

198 posted on 11/22/2011 9:16:20 PM PST by decimon
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
" I am befuddled now...Newt shoots self in foot. '

Yes, in the national stoplight during a GOP debate without the help of edited tape, the Newtons can't claim it's a smear job if we show them Newt's own words..

And just think ? Newt was thought of being such a great debater...
199 posted on 11/22/2011 9:16:32 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: magritte
I should think that would be voluntary...

To the illegal, “Go!”

To the citizen/dependent, “you may stay, or go; if you go, you may return.”

200 posted on 11/22/2011 9:16:35 PM PST by ExGeeEye (It will take a revolution to reinstate the constitution. (HT FtP))
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