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Gingrich 'prepared to take the heat' with talk of amnesty ("Let's be humane in enforcing the law")
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 2011-11-22 | Kim Geiger

Posted on 11/22/2011 7:54:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Edited on 11/22/2011 8:03:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people whove been here for a quarter of a century [and] separate them from their families and expel them, Gingrich said during a discussion about illegal immigration and border security. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties.


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To: MiddleEarth; packrat35

“Ok, just want to be clear with your position, you don’t think they are worthy of human dignity because they came here illegally. Is that correct?”

What an ass-bite question to ask!

Where’s our human dignity, our children’s human dignity, our rights to an education, our rights to health care, our private property rights, our rights to a safe environment free from crime, our rights not to have to pay for illegals their children and the rest of their extended whole fam damily?

How about chastising the illegals for a change!


501 posted on 11/23/2011 11:02:48 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: Notary Sojac

Jim, is that you?


502 posted on 11/23/2011 11:03:42 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I'll take something that secures the border and eliminated 75% of the illegals already over here over the status quo in a heartbeat.

Gingrich is part of an elite establishment with a proven dedication to mass immigration, despite the great harm inflicted upon average Americans. Unless Gingrich really defects from the establishment, he will continue to at least implicitly support mass immigration like the past several presidents up until now. Any Republican candidate that again ignores the popular will on immigration will likely lose to Obama.

503 posted on 11/23/2011 11:03:54 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Stat Man
I will NOT vote for Ron Paul in a primary. He's at the very bottom of my list

That's strange. Ron Paul is the only candidate on my list. Listen to his statements in the debate last night. He's the only one who understands that trading liberty for security is neither necessary nor effective.

And no, I will not stay home on election day. I will vote for whatever clown the Republicans nominate.

504 posted on 11/23/2011 11:05:57 AM PST by giotto
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To: rabscuttle385

Newt is a guy who attempts to fool people with regard to what he would actually govern like. He talks a good game, and then reveals himself to be what he truly is, something totally different.

Too bad, because if he lived up to what he knows to be right, he’s be a very good leader.


505 posted on 11/23/2011 11:10:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: sickoflibs

Alternative? Sounds like Newt has a hard on for the V.P. slot on Romney’s ticket.


506 posted on 11/23/2011 11:15:05 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: rabscuttle385

Ron Doughty to the rescue... translating English into English for over 30 years, and still going strong.

“We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin...”

Mean’s...

Help, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up.


507 posted on 11/23/2011 11:16:59 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: rabscuttle385

...just don’t ask what “mean’s” means. LMAO...


508 posted on 11/23/2011 11:17:43 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: caww

That was back when he thought he could trust Democrats. Remember the deal?

You want conservatives to fall for that lie again?

Might as well be saying “Rape my daughter long enough and you can have her”


509 posted on 11/23/2011 11:24:51 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: DoughtyOne; packrat35

I was talking to PackRat35 who called them parasites. I was not talking to everyone who is against amnesty.

In our disgust that our system is overloaded by illegals it’s very easy to start envisioning them no longer as human beings but as filthy animals. They are people and however we end up handling the situation we need to keep their human dignity in mind.


510 posted on 11/23/2011 11:25:07 AM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: Windflier

BUMP


511 posted on 11/23/2011 11:25:30 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

Of course I know the deal...and they agreed the border would be secured....it wasn’t...and that there would be a deportation..it didn’t happen. The democrates never keep their word.

This does not change the fact Reagan was for Amnesty of those who had lived here for awhile and contributed to this nation....that’s a fact.


512 posted on 11/23/2011 11:29:01 AM PST by caww
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To: VRW Conspirator

Newt has already said that some illegals “deserve amnesty”

Apparently he thinks if you rape the country long enough, you can be part of the family.


513 posted on 11/23/2011 11:29:01 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: MiddleEarth

With all due respect, you need to go to the areas where they have taken over middle-class regions of our country, and tell me what it looks like to you. Tell me the strain on local communities, regions, and states don’t amount to them being parasites.

I am not into denigrating a race of people, but I am willing to address what is undeniably taking place today, and the illegals are in fact parasites.

You may not like that fact. I may not like that fact. It is still a fact. BTW: Having people in my family with Mexican ancestry, I will take this time to inform you that the parasite comment is one they use freely as well.

Do you think they are racists for doing so? Do you think they are being insensitive too?


514 posted on 11/23/2011 11:32:32 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: Stat Man; South40
And if any conservative doesn't vote for the Republican, conservative or not, then they are saying they want four more years of Obama.

Republicans shouldn't take our votes for granted. The GOP doesn't deserve them "just because". Many FReepers are independent conservatives for a very good reason.

If I were the richest man on Earth the RNC and the partys' other organs would get not a penny ever.

515 posted on 11/23/2011 11:34:25 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: caww

Honest to God, are you seriously going to compare the amnesty Reagan agreed to when he tightened our immigration laws, to the plan for amnesty today?

If you know anything about the Reagan years, you know that Reagan saw illegal immigration as a problem. He agreed to grant amnesty to one million illegals, if the Dems agreed to sign on to new tough legislation that would tighten up our borders and levy serious fines against U.S. employers who hired them.

Compare one million to eleven million, and 3.5 million that signed on to the plan back then, to between 25 and 35 million that would sign on today.

Those are facts too.

BTW: Any plan for immigration reform I have seen, has as part of the plan to open up the flood gates to just about any Mexican that wants to come North, and this through legal means.

You could expect to see an exponentiation of the financial problems associated with today’s illegal immigration, with absolutely no ability to ever get that under control again.

This is what you are buying into, whether you realize it or not.


516 posted on 11/23/2011 11:39:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: caww

Contributed to this nation? ROTFLMAO

Undeniably, collected from this nation! That’s another fact you left out.


517 posted on 11/23/2011 11:40:25 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: MiddleEarth
They are people and however we end up handling the situation we need to keep their human dignity in mind.

Thank You for writing this,it needed to be said.

Michael Reagan was on fox news around half hour ago and said his father Ronald Reagan would support Newt's idea on immigration because he would not want families broken up for people who have already been here for long period of time

518 posted on 11/23/2011 11:44:42 AM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: DoughtyOne

Simply reading the posts on this thread has convinced me that obama will serve another 4 years & maybe for years to come afterward. Conservatives will never agree on anything and thus they will lose. Say hello to candidate Mitt and goodbye to America.


519 posted on 11/23/2011 11:47:56 AM PST by WVNan (!)
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To: sickoflibs

Perhaps Cain will regain some lost ground. Perhaps not.


520 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:15 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You mean like Texas? I’ve lived there most of my life and I said earlier I have held your position for most of my life as well.

I am not talking about the low-lifes that come over here and are looking for an easy ride or worse. I’m talking about people whose one crime is that they came here, and live here without going through the proper channels. Yes, it’s against our law but how criminal is it? Let me ask you this:

Let’s say Obama were to succeed in making this the United Soviet States of Amerika and most of our freedoms were hampered and there was no hope for ever making enough money to support your family. Then let’s say Canada was a free nation and you really wanted to take your family there but so did everyone else. You find out it’s a 15 year wait and meantime, your kids have very little to eat and you have no way to get them the medical care they need nor the decent education to succeed. Would it really be evil of you to sneak your family into Canada and try to be a hard worker and provide for your family? Sure after 20 years of you living there Canada could throw you back to the Soviet States and say you are nothing but a parasite. That would be within their rights. In reality though you were trying to make a life for your family not be a leach.

That’s where I’m coming from. They aren’t all just a bunch of parasites, they’re people and their cases need to be looked at individually. Do you disagree?


521 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:32 AM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: DoughtyOne

It wasn’t 3 million..it was 300,000...seems to me then 2 to 3 million booted today is about equal for the numbers here now. But whatever...are you going to deport 30 million and how? even if you cut off their foodbag do you really think they’re going back south? Especially when there’s a push for states to each handle their own immigration? That will simply move them around.

I am for getting immigration back on the table and moving...right now nothings being done.


522 posted on 11/23/2011 11:48:49 AM PST by caww
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To: rabscuttle385

Honestly, I prefer Obama to Newt Gingrich or Rick Perry. If Newt Gingrich is the nominee, I will vote third party for president and vote for worthy Republican candidates in other races.


523 posted on 11/23/2011 11:52:54 AM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: rabscuttle385

This ‘guest worker’ program is as ridiculous as amnesty. What happens when a ‘guest’ worker has a child? Can we send them back to their country if their country won’t allow their American baby to come with them?


524 posted on 11/23/2011 12:00:39 PM PST by Mr. Fabtastic (Cain is rapidly gaining on Fred Gwynne as my favorite Herman.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Gingrich seems to be trying to run to Romney’s left, but he may have trouble squeezing into that space.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/22/8964727-will-gingrichs-comments-on-illegal-immigration-come-back-to-haunt-him

“Ironically, Romney himself appeared to support comprehensive immigration reform, according to a March 2006 article in the Lowell (MA) Sun.

“’I don’t believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country,’ Romney said, per the paper. ‘With these 11 million people, let’s have them registered, know who they are. Those who’ve been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn’t be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.’”


525 posted on 11/23/2011 12:01:40 PM PST by Kurt Evans (This message not approved by any candidate or candidate's committee.)
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To: stfassisi

Thanks, I’ve not always thought this way but I’ve realized that any situation involving any person has to consider their God-given dignity. It doesn’t mean we have to stop guarding our borders or anything like that, just to keep each person’s dignity in mind when deciding how to handle their situation.


526 posted on 11/23/2011 12:03:23 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: kabar

Yep.

Every year we hear talk from the same fools that we say we got to be more “diverse” and “reach out” to minorities. Does anyone here remember RNC Chairman Michael Steele and his “What Up” blog and putting P.B.S. Pinchback on the RNC website?

What about Juan McCain and Ted Kennedy pushing for amnesty with George W. Bush? Yeah, we need millions of new Democrat voters. Give these Democrats amnesty for they can turn Texas into California.

They will vote Republican. Sure. Just wait.

If memory serves, the Pew Research poll found that the Blacks are prepared to vote something like 97 to 3 for Obama over Romney.

Here’s the truth: 66 percent of Democrat voters are White and the majority of Independents are White. Minorities are concentrated in a handful of states like California, Illinois, and New York which are going to vote Democrat anyway.

OTOH, states like Pennsylvania, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin are up for grabs, which are full of aging White voters that have turned sharply against Obama.

But no, the great minds of the GOP like Newt Gingrich believe that Georgia needs amnesty for the illegals who live there can vote Democrat.

Wasn’t the IRCA amnesty supposed to make California more Republican? WTF happened there? It backfired, right?

If Bush and Rove had got their way in 2007, Obama would be coasting to victory right now with millions of illegal aliens voting for him. Even worse if John McCain had been elected in 2008.

Comprehensive immigration reform! Yeah, the Democrats believe in “compromise” - just look at Utah which DOJ sued last night, even though Utah passed like three guest worker programs!

The Left believes in nothing but its pursuit of power. It doesn’t believe in the Constitution. It certainly doesn’t believe in enforcing federal immigration law.

The Left is deliberately trying to change the demographics of America to create a new people to elect a new majority. This is the same strategy they have used to DESTROY California.

Yet we have people like Rick “Fed Up” Perry and Newt Gingrich actually trying to assist them in this project. No wonder the media is calling Newt and Rick “compassionate” on immigration.

The Left was also blowing smoke up John McCain’s ass until he ran against Obama. He was dignified for not using Rev. Wright to defeat Obama.

The Left loves losers like Newt and John McCain.


527 posted on 11/23/2011 12:07:01 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: WVNan

Look, if someone wants to back the Democrats plan to sympathize with people who are taking every advantage of our nation they can, then they should vote for Obama.

The Democrat party is the one that wants to bend the rules.

The Right believes we are a nation of laws. Those laws should be observed.


528 posted on 11/23/2011 12:08:10 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: RitchieAprile

That’s why we need to hear one day “paying taxes to Washington and following its stupid orders” is not going to happen in the states.


529 posted on 11/23/2011 12:08:13 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: GeronL

What if their country won’t let their American children in?


530 posted on 11/23/2011 12:12:49 PM PST by Mr. Fabtastic (Cain is rapidly gaining on Fred Gwynne as my favorite Herman.)
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To: DoughtyOne
“Ok, just want to be clear with your position, you don’t think they are worthy of human dignity because they came here illegally. Is that correct?”

Damn straight. Take your bleeding heart over to DU or better yet go to visit a graveyard with the victims of this parasite invasion.

531 posted on 11/23/2011 12:13:23 PM PST by packrat35 (Heartless)
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To: MiddleEarth

Filthy animals is about right. Piss on them, they don’t give a rip about you or the USA. They would run you down in a heartbeat to get away if necessary.


532 posted on 11/23/2011 12:14:46 PM PST by packrat35 (Heartless)
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To: GeronL

He ain’t the only one, read some of the bleeding heart posts here on this thread and you would think you were at DU.


533 posted on 11/23/2011 12:16:57 PM PST by packrat35 (Heartless)
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To: packrat35

I’m sure that’s true of the thugs. This is way too much of an over-generalization though.

I guess you don’t view them as individuals with souls so there’s no way for me to argue. Either they are people or they’re not. I say they are and you say they aren’t, no more to say.


534 posted on 11/23/2011 12:23:04 PM PST by MiddleEarth (With hope or without hope we'll follow the trail of our enemies. Woe to them, if we prove the faster)
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To: caww; GeronL
Reagan On Amnesty...from the horses mouth

That was *before* we were totally inundated upwards of 30 million illegals in the past 20 years.

Ya think Ronald Reagan would hold that position in 2011?

Nice try.

535 posted on 11/23/2011 12:27:10 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: packrat35

The Democrats have a new video out that uses Gingrich’s liberal position on immigration to attack Romney:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI&feature=player_embedded

This is a pretty sorry field when Newt makes Mitt Romney look like a conservative. What is so objectionable about Michele Bachmann?


536 posted on 11/23/2011 12:28:19 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: caww; GeronL
This does not change the fact Reagan was for Amnesty of those who had lived here for awhile and contributed to this nation....that’s a fact.

A totally different era with a total different set of facts.

Once again, that was *before* we were totally inundated upwards of 30 million illegals in the past 20 years, so bad there is now a war on the Texas border, as these millions have completely choked off and subverted and undermined our entire system.

Nice try.

537 posted on 11/23/2011 12:36:55 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Notary Sojac
Is “beaner” an OK term here on FR?

Works for me when I'm talking about law breaking illegal aliens destroying the United States.

Stand up and take a load off your knees. You make me sick.
538 posted on 11/23/2011 12:38:03 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their Moonbats)
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To: Notary Sojac

Is “beaner” an OK term here on FR?


It is these days. It’s also what passes for “intelligent dialogue.”


539 posted on 11/23/2011 12:42:41 PM PST by magritte
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To: rabscuttle385

Newt, they’ll ALL have a sob story.


540 posted on 11/23/2011 12:47:12 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Let's Roll; yorkie

I was also wondering how Newt would test to make sure his model citizens went to church. He kept repeating over and over the part about how if these innocent criminals attended church, they could stay. Would that be one of BO’s churches, or what? And what would the ACLU say....


541 posted on 11/23/2011 12:55:19 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: magritte

How long until someone suggests that “we’ve gotta stop all those n———s from voting twice for Obama.”


542 posted on 11/23/2011 12:59:23 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: magritte

By the way, well done for picking my favorite artist’s name for your handle.


543 posted on 11/23/2011 1:00:18 PM PST by Notary Sojac (Gingrich/Cain 2012)
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To: MiddleEarth
You mean like Texas? I’ve lived there most of my life and I said earlier I have held your position for most of my life as well.

Okay, then (and not to be ofensive) it seems to me that the illegal immigrant activists have met with some success when it comes to their arguments and your morphed views on this matter.

By your intimation, your views on this matter have changed.  Mine have not.  If anything they have solidified on roughly the position you stated you used to hold.  In my respone, I'll explain why.

I am not talking about the low-lifes that come over here and are looking for an easy ride or worse. I’m talking about people whose one crime is that they came here, and live here without going through the proper channels. Yes, it’s against our law but how criminal is it?

Does it rank on the level of murder? Not for me, but perhaps we should ask the victims of the murders, rapes, and other serious crimes being committed by these people.  And while I have used the generic blanket context here, it is in fact legitimate because of the flood of peope who came here illegally, and thereby enabled the bad to come with them.  Every illegal therefore bears some degree of responsibility for what THEY USHERED IN.  You didn't do it.  I didn't do it.  Other U.S. Citizens for the most part, didn't do it.  THEY did.  Every illegal that came here, enabled the bad players to do what they did after getting here.

They are not just simple innocents.  They are enablers.  They were and are the destroyers.

Thirty years ago the San Fernando Valley was a white middle-class bastion of middle-class America.  It was a vast community of thriving businesses and Americana, if you will.  Today there are still some pockets of this but by and large the 3.5 million middle class people who lived there, were replaced by 3.5 million poorer people from Mexico and Central and South America.  Places where I and other middle-class people used to shop and do business, are now occupied by retailers who have changed their sineage to Spanish.  At night it isn't safe for me to travel into areas where I used to be safe at all hours just thirty years ago.  The housing in the region has gone down.  Van Nuy's boulevard looks more like Tijuana every time I drive down it.  Frankly I don't drive down it because it's so demoralizing to see what the L.A. City and County, State of California, and federal leadership have ushered in here.  While it's not third-world level conditions, it certainly isn't the first world conditions that used to be present there.  Some of these streets with high palm and fur trees were extremely nice years ago.  Today old whacked out cars line the streets, shopping baskets line the sidewalks, and the buildings that can't bear the rent they used to, evidence disrepair and an expanding ghetto-like status.

Portions of West L.A. have seen the same thing happen.  Areas that were beautiful just twenty years ago, two story recently painted and well kept up multiple family dwellings, now have cracks in their walls, no grass, paint worn off, shopping baskets on or near the side-walks.  We're not talking about a few blocks here and there.  We're talking about miles upon miles of urban blight.

Let me ask you this:

Let’s say Obama were to succeed in making this the United Soviet States of Amerika and most of our freedoms were hampered and there was no hope for ever making enough money to support your family. Then let’s say Canada was a free nation and you really wanted to take your family there but so did everyone else. You find out it’s a 15 year wait and meantime, your kids have very little to eat and you have no way to get them the medical care they need nor the decent education to succeed. Would it really be evil of you to sneak your family into Canada and try to be a hard worker and provide for your family? Sure after 20 years of you living there Canada could throw you back to the Soviet States and say you are nothing but a parasite. That would be within their rights. In reality though you were trying to make a life for your family not be a leach.

Exept that leachdom is undeniable exactly what they at least in part actually achieved.  They caused a heavy burden on our health care.  Citizens services were cut back as a result.  Facilities and equipment was negatively impacted because an extremely large population base couldn't pay their own way.  Manpower, equipment, infrastructure, services including emergency services were cut back.  Los Angeles lost seven trauma centers in about 15 months a few years back.  Why?  Because the illegals were too prevalent, and those facilities couldn't continue to take a loss and keep their doors open.  What happened to the services available to citizens?  Those services no longer existed.  In those areas, citizens unfortunate enough to desperately need quick medical intervention, could no longer get it.  The farther you travel when you need immediate care, the more people die.  Citizens were dying.  They still are.  Who comes here to lament their loss as you have the poor plight of the Mexican national?  Frankly, not one damned person.

What happened to our schools?  Children here who couldn't speak English monopolized our schools.  While citizen children sat in their seats reading half the day, the teachers taught English to the children of illegal aliens.  The progress of our own citizen children took a back seat to the education of foreign nationals.  We couldn't build schools fast enough.  About three years ago, the largest single building project in the United States other than Boston's Big-Dig was the building campaign in the Los Angeles Unified School District.  We were busy building half a billion (yes with a "B") dollar edifices almost completely abandoned to the children of illegal immigrants, while our tax-paying citizens paid thousands of dollars each year to obtain a private education for their children.  This on top of the burden of having to pay for state of the art facilities their own children could never use.  Who comes here to lament this negative impact on our children and their parents, their family infrastructure, the reduction in their quality of life?  Frankly, not one damned individual.

Who pays for the health care of the children of illegal immigrants?  We have opened up clinics in the LAUSD.  Children of illegal immigrants get services there, or are gifted with state and federal dollars for services more complex.

We sponsor a massive transit system in Los Angeles.  Who rides the buses?  A significant portion of the riders are illegal immigrants.  Who pays for that?  Your gas tax dollars do.

Your health care rates are higher than they should be.  The services you get are less than they should be.  Your children's access to the schools we all pay for, is non-existant.

Then when people try to bring some sanity to the discussion, folks blame us for being so non-caring.  I'll quite being so non-caring when the last dollar is paid on the public bonds that have been taken out to pay for these new schools, are paid off decades from now.  I'll be more caring when over 950% of the working age men in Los Angeles can read and write at a functional business level again.  Presently that figure is below 50%.

That’s where I’m coming from. They aren’t all just a bunch of parasites, they’re people and their cases need to be looked at individually. Do you disagree?

Frankly, yes.  The only looking into that, that needs to be done, is to find the answer to one question.  Do you have documentation?  If yes, great.  Welcome.  If not, adios.  You are not welcome.

We are swamped.  For your logic to work, we would need to open up the U.S. to every poor person on the planet, so they could better their lives here.  They all have children.  Every one of these cases would be dire.  We would be just as responsible for them, as we would the cases of every Mexican and Central and South American that are here now.  Otherwise, we could be racists.  We can't let on set of people treat us like a door mat, then not let everyone treat us like a door mat.  It wouldn't be fair.  And of course, that's our ultimate goal here.  We must be fair to people who don't care about us any more than to destroy us.

Since when did it become the responsiblity of you and I to aleviate the problems of every other citizen of planet earth, who could find a way to become a destroyer in the United States?

If you want to advocate that our government lower the boom on the Mexican government, and demand they get their house in order, I'm right there with you.  The way to better the lives of Mexicans, Central and South Americans is to do it in place in their countries.  It is not to destroy the U.S. in order to give them a break.

Doing what you seem to want would wind up doing one thing, destroying us, in the effort to fix them.

I'm not buying in.


544 posted on 11/23/2011 1:11:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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To: WilliamHouston
That's some spot on analysis.

"They will vote Republican."

Which is exactly what the Krieble foundation hypothesizes. I wonder if Newt has even read what is listed on their website before he said he supports their position on immigration.

545 posted on 11/23/2011 1:14:42 PM PST by moehoward
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To: bigdaddy45

What are the circumstances.


546 posted on 11/23/2011 1:17:58 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Borax Queen

BQ, you know - going to a church would no more make a person a Christian (or ‘good’ illegal), than standing in a garage would make one a car!

But, this morning, on FNC, Mike Reagan (Ronald’s son) supported Gingrich’s stand on immigration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJOEIF9PaDY


547 posted on 11/23/2011 1:20:20 PM PST by yorkie
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To: mojitojoe
>> Keep it up and you will get to see 4 or MORE years of these: <<

Yes, clearly because Donald Trump Rick Perry Newt Gingrich is the ONLY man in the america "with the guts to take on Obama in 2012", so we all MUST get behind the designed establishment RINO this months or it will be "four more years of Obama"

Sorry, this is the PRIMARY and I'm under no obligiation to support sucky candidates because their fan clubs on FR want me to.

You want to get rid of Obama? Run a decent conservative against him that voters LIKE.

548 posted on 11/23/2011 1:21:14 PM PST by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: yorkie

Frig.....

Well, I love how the anti-U.S. sovereignty candidates try to invoke Pres Reagan, since he supported (or got duped) amnesty.
They remind me of all the Communists who just say “we haven’t been able to do it right, let’s try again.”


549 posted on 11/23/2011 1:23:03 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: caww
It wasn’t 3 million..it was 300,000...

If you wish to look it up, you'll find out that the Amnesty of 1986 wound up seeing around 3.5 million people become naturalized as a result.

When they were trying to get support for the Amnesty, they stated there were only 1 million illegals here.  After the fact, the illegals came out of the wood-work to sign up.

estimates of naturalized people  3.0 million at link  (Estimates vary.  I have seen them as high as 3.5 millon)

...seems to me then 2 to 3 million booted today is about equal for the numbers here now.

Even the government and illegal support acvtivists claim there are 11 to 12 million illegals in country today.  That flies in the face of the fact that a 2001 correction by the 2000 Census pegged their numbers at 9.0 million in that census.  Even a Time magazine cover story pegged the entries into the U.S. a few years into the Bush administration, at 3.5 million per year.  I am aware that during on nine month period around that time, that 900,000 illegals were taken into custody (in just one sector) while coming across the U.S. border. Border agents traditionally peg their catch to flow ratio at about 10 to 20%.

The idea that we have only 11 or 12 million illegals in country today, flies in the face of reality.  Nobody knows for sure, but you can take to the bank a number somewhere between 25 to 35 million people.  It may be even higher.

Imagine if we were to legalize them, and they be able to do what other naturalized citizens can, namely bring in fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, nephews, neices...  You start with 30 million, let each bring in an avearge of five people, and watch the birth explosion, in short order your talking about 150 million new citizens.

Sound good to you?


But whatever...are you going to deport 30 million and how? even if you cut off their foodbag do you really think they’re going back south? Especially when there’s a push for states to each handle their own immigration? That will simply move them around.

The federal government has the responsibility to set immigration status.  This IS NOT a states rights issue, pure and simple.  Other states would have to deal with the problems crated by single-state legislation on the matter.  Not good.

Yep, no work, no services, no free ride, all of a sudden Mexico looks pretty good.  Even illegals like to eat.

I am for getting immigration back on the table and moving...right now nothings being done.

Me to.  Time to move them out.  Whatever bad repercussions resulted would be due to the way these people set themselves up for failure.  I wouldn't necessarily like it, because I like people.  I don't want to see them hurt.  I didn't force them to break the law.  It's not my problem.

I support U.S. Citizens and their rights.  All others can stand in line.


550 posted on 11/23/2011 1:31:50 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Obyema 2012 - he has addition deficit disorder... (not my line, but a great one to repeat))
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